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Title: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry Collier on September 04, 2007, 02:25:48 AM

I hesitate to launch a little new thread on Elgar (after what happened to the old one). Just to say that last week I re-visited (third time) Elgar's birthplace and museum -- a favourite tour of mine with musically-inclined visitors.

To those who don't know it, it's well worth the detour. Set in a little village about 5 kms outside Worcester in Broadheath, it does fill in a lot of background on Elgar, his insecurity, his relatively humble origins, the way he had to struggle to make a living and gradually gain acceptance. A nice place, with the birthplace well preserved and the adjacent museum and gift shop very tastefully done. If you are in or near that part of England, it's a recommended visit.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 04, 2007, 02:32:14 AM
Did you take any pictures when you there?  If so, would you mind sharing them with us? :)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 04, 2007, 04:19:56 AM
Nice Harry Collier!

Personally I hate travelling but maybe someday I visit that place.  8)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry on September 04, 2007, 04:28:32 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 04, 2007, 04:19:56 AM
Nice Harry Collier!

Personally I hate travelling but maybe someday I visit that place.  8)

Yes I am also out of the travel mode, so these visits by other members to such places, and posting about it, is a easy way to access all the beauties of this world. :)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 04, 2007, 01:44:53 PM
Harry, I am close to Worcester, but have never visited the Elgar house, I am even closer to Holst's house in Cheltenham. In fact I will be about four streets from it tomorrow, visiting my dentist.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: karlhenning on September 04, 2007, 02:21:31 PM
The Hymn of Dentistry, eh?
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 04, 2007, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: knight on September 04, 2007, 01:44:53 PM
Harry, I am close to Worcester, but have never visited the Elgar house, I am even closer to Holst's house in Cheltenham. In fact I will be about four streets from it tomorrow, visiting my dentist.

Mike

Is it safe? ;D
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 04, 2007, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: knight on September 04, 2007, 01:44:53 PM
Harry, I am close to Worcester, but have never visited the Elgar house, I am even closer to Holst's house in Cheltenham. In fact I will be about four streets from it tomorrow, visiting my dentist.

Mike

Is there a connection?
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 05, 2007, 08:14:36 AM
No, no connection other than in my own fevered mind. Also, yes it was safe, no drilling without pain relief, in fact no drilling. Rather ANOTHER course of tablets, but sorry, I am right off topic.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 05, 2007, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: knight on September 05, 2007, 08:14:36 AM
No, no connection other than in my own fevered mind. Also, yes it was safe, no drilling without pain relief, in fact no drilling. Rather ANOTHER course of tablets, but sorry, I am right off topic.

Mike


I read an Inspector Morse novel once where he was given tablets for an ache, he was given penicllin actually, with specific instructions to only take two a day and no more.  So naturally he just takes them like candy, several over the course of a few hours. ;D  Hopefully you won't do the same. :D

Oh anyway what are the tablets for?
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 04:12:58 AM
Is Harry Collier the only one on this forum who has visited Elgar's Birthplace?

Apparently not many Elgarians have found their way on this forum...
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 04:19:44 AM
I don't think there are any "Elgarians" apart from you, Poju.  And you don't like to travel, you've already advised us.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry on September 06, 2007, 04:35:11 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 04:19:44 AM
I don't think there are any "Elgarians" apart from you, Poju.  And you don't like to travel, you've already advised us.

Not so dear friend, I am a "Elgarian" in the true sense of the meaning, which is, all Orchestra and Chamber works, anything with soprano's excluded.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 05:27:24 AM
Quote from: knight on September 05, 2007, 08:14:36 AM
No, no connection other than in my own fevered mind. Also, yes it was safe, no drilling without pain relief, in fact no drilling. Rather ANOTHER course of tablets, but sorry, I am right off topic.

Mike

I was afraid it had been a hearing of The Apostles that occasioned the need for painkillers.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 05:50:44 AM
Quote from: Harry on September 06, 2007, 04:35:11 AM
Not so dear friend, I am a "Elgarian" in the true sense of the meaning, which is, all Orchestra and Chamber works, anything with soprano's excluded.

But that's the thing, Harry;  if you're excluding items, you ain't an "Elgarian"  ;)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 06:07:01 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 05:50:44 AM
But that's the thing, Harry;  if you're excluding items, you ain't an "Elgarian"  ;)

Harry is an instrumental Elgarian or non-soprano Elgarian.  ;D

I must be just mental Elgarian.  ;D
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry Collier on September 06, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
Quote from: DavidW on September 04, 2007, 02:32:14 AM
Did you take any pictures when you there?  If so, would you mind sharing them with us? :)

I took lots of photos on a previous visit. But I can't find them on my hard disk, or on any backups. I'll carry on looking.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 08:30:08 AM
Quote from: Harry Collier on September 06, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
I took lots of photos on a previous visit. But I can't find them on my hard disk, or on any backups. I'll carry on looking.


The whereabouts of your Elgar's Birthplace photos is an Enigma...
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: BachQ on September 06, 2007, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Harry Collier on September 06, 2007, 06:38:00 AM
I took lots of photos on a previous visit. But I can't find them on my hard disk, or on any backups. I'll carry on looking.


Harry, meanwhile ....... I can always upload my vast collection of Elgar-related materials .......

Frankly, I've been searching for a proper receptacle for them .........
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: sound67 on September 06, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
Boooooring. Give it a rest already.  ::)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry on September 06, 2007, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on September 06, 2007, 05:50:44 AM
But that's the thing, Harry;  if you're excluding items, you ain't an "Elgarian"  ;)


Well I be ...................... :P ;D
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry on September 06, 2007, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 06:07:01 AM
Harry is an instrumental Elgarian or non-soprano Elgarian.  ;D

I must be just mental Elgarian.  ;D

You wrote down my friend what I thought.
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 06, 2007, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 06:07:01 AM
I must be just mental Elgarian.  ;D

If you say so . . . .
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: Harry on September 06, 2007, 10:07:02 AM
   You wrote down my friend what I thought.
Thank you. :)

You're welcome!
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry on September 06, 2007, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
You're welcome!

What has happened to your avatar, have you taken away deliberately half of Elgar?
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: Harry on September 06, 2007, 10:33:36 AM
What has happened to your avatar, have you taken away deliberately half of Elgar?

The new avatar reflects my lesser activity + the conflicts here recarding Elgar.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 06, 2007, 02:45:59 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 04:12:58 AM
Is Harry Collier the only one on this forum who has visited Elgar's Birthplace?

Apparently not many Elgarians have found their way on this forum...

I like Elgar's music, but I haven't had the opportunity yet to visit other countries.  Even if I did the list of awesome stuff to see in the UK would be so overwhelming that I don't think that visiting Elgar's birthplace is one of them.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 06, 2007, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 11:19:41 AM
The new avatar reflects my lesser activity + the conflicts here recarding Elgar.

Your lesser activity? ???
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 06, 2007, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on September 06, 2007, 06:07:01 AM
I must be just mental

I love taking things out of context. ;)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 07, 2007, 10:53:52 PM
I always like to answer anyone who takes an interest, sorry it is a page later. I had just encountered a new dentist in the practice I use. She is a very beautiful Polish woman called Magda. Less gung-ho than my usual guy, she gave me another set of pills to deal with an infection at the base of the tooth. I had been ready for a chair-arm clutching sesion with the drill. No penicillin, I am allergic to it. I take the pills like a good boy and even, un-Morselike, abjure alcohol as instructed.

Now...Elgar....I don't find him very interesting as an individual. All the things noted as brought out by visiting his house are aspects I knew about. I do enjoy some his music enormously, but I am not an Elgarian. Who with that title would, like me, be happy to shred both The Apostles and The Kingdom?

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 08, 2007, 02:14:39 AM
Quote from: DavidW on September 06, 2007, 02:46:59 PM
Your lesser activity? ???

Yes. My activity would have dropped even more if I didn't have to answer questions like this!
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 08, 2007, 05:34:21 AM
Knight's trip to the dentist. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Q9T8i4FkNVo
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: BachQ on September 08, 2007, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: knight on September 07, 2007, 10:53:52 PM
She is a very beautiful Polish woman called Magda.

I love Magda's aria in The Consul, by Gian Carlo Menotti . . . . . .  In fact, I'm working on my own opera titled Magda . . . . . .
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 08, 2007, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: D Minor on September 08, 2007, 07:10:08 AM
I love Magda's aria in The Consul, by Gian Carlo Menotti . . . . . .  In fact, I'm working on my own opera titled Magda . . . . . .

Will you tell us more? What does Magda get up to?

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: BachQ on September 08, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: knight on September 08, 2007, 10:30:15 AM
Will you tell us more? What does Magda get up to?

Mike

Mike,

I would be unable to respond without derailing the thread ........ Of course, I would never knowingly participate in the derailment of an Elgar thread .......... My Lord, it sickens me to even ponder that eventuality .........
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 08, 2007, 09:44:55 PM
Quote from: D Minor on September 08, 2007, 04:39:03 PM

I would be unable to respond without derailing the thread ........ Of course, I would never knowingly participate in the derailment of an Elgar thread .......... My Lord, it sickens me to even ponder that eventuality .........

Note this please folks. A living Saint.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: DavidW on September 09, 2007, 05:17:37 AM
Quote from: knight on September 08, 2007, 09:44:55 PM
Note this please folks. A living Saint.

Mike

Somehow I feel that must be an oxymoron. ;D
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 09, 2007, 07:49:29 AM
Calling D Minor any kind of moron is against the rules here.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: karlhenning on September 09, 2007, 11:28:03 AM
Ah, the unmistakable sound of Mike not getting angry  8)
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 09, 2007, 11:40:05 AM
That's right; I may be odd, but I will get even. I see D Minor has transmogrified.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Harry Collier on September 09, 2007, 12:31:44 PM

What is it about "Elgar" that attracts all these .... ?

I think I'll start a thread on Karl Amadeus Hartmann's birthplace. Then perhaps we'll he spared all the teenage witticisms. In the meantime, noble and distinguished moderators I suggest you ban Elgar from this site. He seems to attract a motley crew of commentators.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: knight66 on September 09, 2007, 12:45:49 PM
Anyone who wants to talk about Elgar can, have you any interesting things to discuss about the composer? If so, let's have the benefit of it.

Mike
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: 71 dB on September 09, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: Harry Collier on September 09, 2007, 12:31:44 PM
I suggest you ban Elgar from this site. He seems to attract a motley crew of commentators.

Thanks a lot Harry Collier! Don't accuse me if my opinions and ideas are too much for this "mötley crew of commentators".
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: karlhenning on September 09, 2007, 02:52:09 PM
I cannot speak for any 'motley crew of commentators';  but if anything, Poju, I find your opinions and ideas rather too little.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: Larry Rinkel on September 09, 2007, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: knight on September 09, 2007, 11:40:05 AM
That's right; I may be odd, but I will get even. I see D Minor has transmogrified.

Mike

He's now a D minor triad.
Title: Re: Elgar's Birthplace
Post by: karlhenning on September 09, 2007, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: Harry Collier on September 09, 2007, 12:31:44 PM
What is it about "Elgar" that attracts all these .... ?

I think I'll start a thread on Karl Amadeus Hartmann's birthplace. Then perhaps we'll he spared all the teenage witticisms. In the meantime, noble and distinguished moderators I suggest you ban Elgar from this site. He seems to attract a motley crew of commentators.

Even Jascha posts better than that.