I have been wanting to subscribe to a streaming service for quite some time now, but I never got around to doing so. I suppose, I can do trial periods for all three of these to see which one I'm more comfortable with.
I still plan on purchasing CDs on occasion, but it will be a lot less now. The price of CDs now, compared to even two years ago, is quite staggering. Plus, so many "older" recordings are harder to find. I will keep CD purchases to box sets that I really want, but I feel for the most part I already have most of what I need and want in this regard. The supply and demand has gotten too out of whack for CDs. Long gone are the $6.99 Naxos days. :) Plus, I feel I already have too many CDs and it would likely take three years or more of listening to get to each disc I already have in my collection, with more that is incoming. And that is only listening to a CD once. :laugh:
I'm only interested in classical music. No other genres. The only three platforms for streaming that I am interested and will potentially consider exploring at this juncture are: Presto, Idagio and Naxos Music Library.
Considerations:
I have always been fond of Presto's website in general and fits my way of searching for recordings. Plus, I've ordered many, many discs from there. There is a great familiarity that I have with their site, and I've also found their customer service to be most helpful and very prompt. They are already my first choice as far as a "trial run". I'm constantly on their website.
Naxos Music Library - even in the early days of exploration (going back almost 20 years), I found Naxos terrific for sampling music on their website. So, again, familiarity. I see they have added many recordings to their streaming service from various other labels. They might be my second option for "trial" run.
Idagio intrigues me, as I have heard a lot of good things about it. However, I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that is the main drawback for me to begin this one as a "trial". They might have the largest library of the three, but that really isn't much of a factor for me.
If anyone has any feedback regarding one or all of these three platforms (please, only the three I mentioned), then that would be helpful.
NB - My music listening habits or behaviours are: I'm not a downloader or ripper. Not what I am interested in. I listen to CDs, my local classical radio station, or stream clips on Presto, Naxos or on YouTube. Thus, in utilizing a streaming service, it really would strictly be for streaming. I'm also not concerned (in this regard) to albums or items from a catalogue disappearing. If there is something I really, really want, and worried it will disappear on the streaming platform or quickly go out of print, I'll just simply buy the CD. I'm also not an audiophile, so although sound is important, I don't get technical about it or bogged down in the weeds. Just interested in generally good sound.
NB part II - I'm a pretty easy going guy. I realize no platform is perfect, and all of these have their pros and cons. I'll be more than happy with something that meets 80% of my needs. Not looking for perfection.
It sounds to me like you should go with Presto, since you already know the interface and the searching functionality. The top classical streaming platforms are not so substantially different that you might reap new rewards for learning a new system, in my opinion. Although I have heard that Idagio offers access to some live concerts from European orchestras?
Naxos Music Library was the platform I used until about 2020. The search, artist and composer drilldowns, and complete composer works indexes are extremely well-kept and well-maintained. (If you remember how ArkivMusic used to be organized, that's somewhat similar.) The new releases were also very easy to find as they're all dutifully catalogued together every month on a page. I used to simply go down the page listening to them all systematically. The player was occasionally wonky and NML does server maintenance a few times a year, but the "library" aspect of it is truly unparalleled. I miss the ability to click a composer and find all the recordings of a work, or find all the arrangements and transcriptions of a work for different ensembles. NML also had an extraordinary selection - if a label is in the collection, they are making every effort to have every recording from that label available. One specific label family that seems to be missing from rival services, but IS on NML, is the Exton/Triton group from Japan. There also used to be a stats panel where you could look at the history of your listening.
However, NML is very high priced to match its scope and customer service standard. I made the move to a service you do not want to hear about for that reason, the Service That Shall Not Be Named* is also made by classical enthusiasts but it is $150/yr rather than $310/yr for the top sound quality option. I've enjoyed that one too and am listening to it right this second. But the design is different: compared to Presto or NML, you spend more time in the search bar, not drilling down by artist or composer. It has more "designed features" (a magazine, curated recommendations, etc.) rather than being like walking through a library, pulling things off the shelves.
In future if I won the lotto I might go back to NML but I don't see a convincing argument against Presto, because they've built a good interface, they have great service, and you already know and love it. So why not! :)
*but starts with Q
Quote from: Brian on January 12, 2025, 12:49:04 PM(If you remember how ArkivMusic used to be organized, that's somewhat similar.)
*but starts with Q
Thanks for your insights and feedback Brian. Oh, how could I forget the once great ArkivMusic. Boy do I miss them before their failure of an upgrade (massive failure, if you ask me). Pre-failure upgrade, if ArkivMusic had come up with a streaming platform 4 years ago or so, that is probably who I would have gone with. Basically, Presto became my ArkivMusik.
And thank you for adhering to not mentioning any other platforms. :laugh: Ie. "Q".
I have extensively used Idagio and Presto, and both are quite good. Easily recommendable.
Presto has hi-res, if you're interested in that. It's not an issue for me, based on my equipment and listening habits. Plus, they have jazz. And you can choose to buy tracks if you want, at a slight member discount.
The main things that Idagio has going for it are on the user interface IMO:
1. Lots of ways to filter searches. With Presto, it's just a single search box.
2. The ability to play a single piece. In Presto, it's like it's one big CD. Say you have a Beethoven cycle box, and you just want to play the Eroica. You can start it there, just like a CD. But if you don't come along and turn it off, Presto will keep playing the 4th and 5th and so on. Not really a major issue unless you're listening to box sets.
3. Playlists. Maybe that's not an issue for you, but it comes in handy from time to time. (example: Maybe you want to build a custom Mahler cycle from different recordings) No option at all on Presto for anything but starting an album and playing it.
That said, neither service will hurt your feelings, in my experience. Presto is simpler to master, perhaps, but both apps will take good care of you.
Quote from: Number Six on January 12, 2025, 04:56:52 PM2. The ability to play a single piece. In Presto, it's like it's one big CD. Say you have a Beethoven cycle box, and you just want to play the Eroica. You can start it there, just like a CD. But if you don't come along and turn it off, Presto will keep playing the 4th and 5th and so on. Not really a major issue unless you're listening to box sets.
3. Playlists. Maybe that's not an issue for you, but it comes in handy from time to time. (example: Maybe you want to build a custom Mahler cycle from different recordings) No option at all on Presto for anything but starting an album and playing it.
Oh, thank you for this. Service Q doesn't have the ability to play a single piece like that, so you have to tap the pause key on your computer quickly. It also defaults to play a
completely different album you didn't ask for at the end of the album you did ask for, although luckily you can turn that setting off.
Q does allow for playlists so I have built quite a few. That seems like a no-brainer for Presto to consider!
Quote from: Brian on January 12, 2025, 05:11:45 PMOh, thank you for this. Service Q doesn't have the ability to play a single piece like that, so you have to tap the pause key on your computer quickly. It also defaults to play a completely different album you didn't ask for at the end of the album you did ask for, although luckily you can turn that setting off.
Q does allow for playlists so I have built quite a few. That seems like a no-brainer for Presto to consider!
The ability to que up a single piece (or save it to a playlist) is the gamechanger for me. Only Idagio and Apple Classical have it (and Apple's metadata is sometimes wonky, so all the movements won't show up as a single piece). With other service, you can choose individual tracks for the que or playlist - which is fine, but it's a little more effort required. (As you know, from your other service.)
Presto has none of this. It's the main reason I continue to use other services even though I still have a few months left on a prepaid Presto annual. But I do use Presto sometimes because it's nice, and I like supporting it.
ETA: Maybe Naxos has the ability to play a single piece, too. But I have never used the service. ;)
Thank you
@Number Six for the feedback.
@Brian Oh man....really liking the looks and features of the Naxos Music Library. I went through almost one hour tutorial of the site, and it is really tempting. However, it is definitely much MUCH pricier.
By the way Brian, since you were a member, do you know the NML difference between a standard membership versus premium membership? They don't go over that, or at least I couldn't find that info. All I saw was the price difference between the two. Naxos is significantly more $ than Presto. But likely a lot more functionality and special features.
Think what I'll end up doing is starting with Presto and their trial first. If I'm satisfied, I'll just keep going until I'm not. :)
Quote from: Number Six on January 12, 2025, 05:17:01 PMThe ability to que up a single piece (or save it to a playlist) is the gamechanger for me. Only Idagio and Apple Classical have it
NML does as well.
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 12, 2025, 05:23:30 PMNML does as well.
Good to know. I have never used it. ;D
The learning curve on Presto is probably as easy as any streaming service, so that's something.
Quote from: Number Six on January 12, 2025, 05:25:21 PMGood to know. I have never used it. ;D
The learning curve on Presto is probably as easy as any streaming service, so that's something.
I just know form the tutorial I just listened to (regarding NML). ;D
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 12, 2025, 05:20:35 PMThank you @Number Six for the feedback.
@Brian Oh man....really liking the looks and features of the Naxos Music Library. I went through almost one hour tutorial of the site, and it is really tempting. However, it is definitely much MUCH pricier.
By the way Brian, since you were a member, do you know the NML difference between a standard membership versus premium membership? They don't go over that, or at least I couldn't find that info. All I saw was the price difference between the two. Naxos is significantly more $ than Presto. But likely a lot more functionality and special features.
As I recall at least back then, standard was 128kbps and premium was 320 - no lossless option. I used to use it only on headphones at work, so I couldn't tell the difference between 320 and lossless, but if you have extra high trained ears you might have different feelings!
Quote from: Brian on January 12, 2025, 05:30:39 PMAs I recall at least back then, standard was 128kbps and premium was 320 - no lossless option. I used to use it only on headphones at work, so I couldn't tell the difference between 320 and lossless, but if you have extra high trained ears you might have different feelings!
Yeah, I also wish I could contribute to these threads, but I'm a neanderthal - 360p/480p is more than good enough for me (maybe even 144p/240p, but I don't even know if they offer that anymore). I've tried all the options above 128, and I am convinced that the difference heard by those who claim to hear is a "collective delusion" (lol).
Quote from: hopefullytrusting on January 12, 2025, 05:44:14 PMYeah, I also wish I could contribute to these threads, but I'm a neanderthal - 360p/480p is more than good enough for me (maybe even 144p/240p, but I don't even know if they offer that anymore). I've tried all the options above 128, and I am convinced that the difference heard by those who claim to hear is a "collective delusion" (lol).
Your way is my way. ;D
My ears/equipment can't really tell the difference as long as the lossy-file is decently made. I am so grateful for that fact.
I'm now going to have a closer in depth look at Idagio.
Quote from: hopefullytrusting on January 12, 2025, 05:44:14 PMYeah, I also wish I could contribute to these threads, but I'm a neanderthal - 360p/480p is more than good enough for me (maybe even 144p/240p, but I don't even know if they offer that anymore). I've tried all the options above 128, and I am convinced that the difference heard by those who claim to hear is a "collective delusion" (lol).
Saves us money!
I own too many CDs to ever consider streaming. Unless, one day, I lose all of them in some kind of unforeseen incident.
Quote from: Karl Henning on January 12, 2025, 08:13:50 AMDid I dream those days?...
I used to get Naxoi for $5 each at Lou's Records and Tapes in Encinitas, CA. That must have been mid-2000s or so. At those prices I would just grab anything of interest.
Lou's is still there, which amazes me:
https://www.lousrecords.com/
As for streaming, I have a Qobuz subscription, but I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with their "New Releases" page, which does not show all new releases available. Nor is there a way to search on release date. I've stuck with Qobuz so far because it works well with Lyrion Music Server (previously known as Logitech Media Server.)
I used Idagio for a while and liked the service, except for the fact that my interests aren't limited to classical music only. The main reason I switched to another service, one of those that should not be named, is that it offers integration with high-quality standalone music streamers, whereas Idagio lacks this functionality. So, for those considering an upgrade to more serious, high-quality audio set, it's unlikely they'll settle for just the three named options. If you're only listening on a computer, then it's fine.
Also, the service that must not be named is integrated into the audio system in my car. I listen to music while driving, selecting an album either through the car's interface or from my smartphone, which is also integrated. Very convenient.
Alright, thanks for everyone's feedback. It's appreciated!
My final plan is:
A - Do the Presto 30 day trial.
B - Do the Idagio 14 day trial.
C - Decide amongst the two, unless I do find both unsatisfactory. Not likely due to my needs, criteria and easy to please nature.
I'm not considering *Naxos Music Library, even though it definitely looked like a great service. However, when considering exchange rate, it is 3 times the cost of both Presto and Idagio. Due to not having a professional athlete's salary, I will pass.
*Plus, Naxos trial period is 15 minutes. 😐
Quote from: Daverz on January 12, 2025, 09:00:03 PMAs for streaming, I have a Qobuz subscription, but I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with their "New Releases" page, which does not show all new releases available.
This drives me nuts. I don't know how they are filtering their new releases, but I feel glad to have access to the Naxos distribution backend (from my reviewing days) so I can view a complete list of new releases they distribute, then page over to Qobuz and type them all into the search box.
Now, the most difficult decision needs to be made. What to chose for my first ever, rookie streaming listening project. :laugh: Likely between Dvořák's symphony cycle conducted by Rowicki/LSO (I never was able to find a fair priced/very good condition physical copy). Or, Mozart's orchestral serenades (other than a few of the more famous ones, I have not heard the orchestral serenades). I have, and am familiar with the wind and string serenades.
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 13, 2025, 03:12:39 PMNow, the most difficult decision needs to be made. What to chose for my first ever, rookie streaming listening project. :laugh: Likely between Dvořák's symphony cycle conducted by Rowicki/LSO (I never was able to find a fair priced/very good condition physical copy). Or, Mozart's orchestral serenades (other than a few of the more famous ones, I have not heard the orchestral serenades). I have, and am familiar with the wind and string serenades.
Posthorn Serenade is my favorite of those.
Quote from: Daverz on January 13, 2025, 03:31:31 PMPosthorn Serenade is my favorite of those.
Which ones are all considered the orchestral serenades? It's unclear to me from the list of works on Mozart's Wikipedia page. Is it Serenades 1-9?
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 13, 2025, 03:35:41 PMWhich ones are all considered the orchestral serenades? It's unclear to me from the list of works on Mozart's Wikipedia page. Is it Serenades 1-9?
Brief search found
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Quote from: Daverz on January 13, 2025, 03:48:39 PMBrief search found
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Excellent, thanks!
Quote from: Number Six on January 12, 2025, 05:52:05 PMYour way is my way. ;D
My ears/equipment can't really tell the difference as long as the lossy-file is decently made. I am so grateful for that fact.
"As long as the lossy-file is decently made" is the sticking point for me. I got a free trial of Apple Music and started listening to some classical. Sounded great, until one track had some distortion that was obvious. I went into the settings and saw that lossless was not enabled. I enabled it and the distortion went away. Maybe high quality lossy compression is fine most of the time, but every time I put a recording on I don't want to wonder "could it have sounded better?"
Quote from: Duke Bluebeard on January 12, 2025, 07:27:06 PMI own too many CDs to ever consider streaming. Unless, one day, I lose all of them in some kind of unforeseen incident.
I have a large CD collection (not the largest) and this created a psychological barrier to streaming. It seemed like I was admitting that I'd wasted all of that money if I streamed instead. But then I accepted that fact that if streaming was sufficient for my needs, then I'd wasted all that money whether I stream or not.
It turns out that streaming is sufficient 95% of the time. There's the odd thing that is not on the streaming services that I have on my hard disk of FLAC files, and there are the things that are so badly organized on the streaming service that it is easier to find the FLAC files on my disk. But 95% of the time I am streaming, and often something that I also have on my hard disk. Streaming is easier and it sends a few extra pennies to the record producer. I still purchase music that I find "important" (mostly lossless download). But the money I save using streaming exceeds the monthly cost by a large factor.
In the end, I don't think the money I spent on CDs was all wasted, but now I don't spend money on CDs unless I confirm that they are really worth listening to again.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on January 14, 2025, 09:22:01 AMI have a large CD collection (not the largest) and this created a psychological barrier to streaming. It seemed like I was admitting that I'd wasted all of that money if I streamed instead. But then I accepted that fact that if streaming was sufficient for my needs, then I'd wasted all that money whether I stream or not.
It turns out that streaming is sufficient 95% of the time. There's the odd thing that is not on the streaming services that I have on my hard disk of FLAC files, and there are the things that are so badly organized on the streaming service that it is easier to find the FLAC files on my disk. But 95% of the time I am streaming, and often something that I also have on my hard disk. Streaming is easier and it sends a few extra pennies to the record producer. I still purchase music that I find "important" (mostly lossless download). But the money I save using streaming exceeds the monthly cost by a large factor.
In the end, I don't think the money I spent on CDs was all wasted, but now I don't spend money on CDs unless I confirm that they are really worth listening to again.
I'm slowly drawing closer and closer to just not buying any more music period. I own enough for twenty lifetimes. I just placed an order with JPC, but I'm truly considering it being my last CD purchase.
If streaming was my only option and I didn't own my CD collection, then I would most certainly be whistling a different tune, but the fact is I own probably hundreds of recordings I have either only heard once or never at all. So you can understand
why I'm not particularly interested in streaming.
Quote from: Duke Bluebeard on January 14, 2025, 09:32:48 AMI'm slowly drawing closer and closer to just not buying any more music period. I own enough for twenty lifetimes. I just placed an order with JPC, but I'm truly considering it being my last CD purchase.
I couldn't commit to that because there are composers I have grown to like whose music is just being recorded. That said, I don't need to own more recordings of music by established composers, now that streaming is available.
I truly believe the world of streaming will allow me (more mentally, than physically) to explore music in the past I would not have considered exploring. That may include early music (pre-Baroque), some more famous Italian opera, and more contemporary composers. And much much more.
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 14, 2025, 10:10:54 AMI truly believe the world of streaming will allow me (more mentally, than physically) to explore music in the past I would not have considered exploring. That may include early music (pre-Baroque), some more famous Italian opera, and more contemporary composers. And much much more.
That's the big plus. Someone mentions it and you are listening to it a minute later at no incremental cost, rather than laying out and waiting a week for a CD to arrive.
On this forum, I discover new composers, unfamiliar works by familiar authors, or unusual versions of pieces I already know almost every day. In the past, I likely wouldn't have heard all this—buying CDs is too expensive and uncertain. Thanks to streaming, I can listen to it all right away.
This term is often overused and can be cringe worthy, but streaming is a "game changer". ;D
Albeit I'm about 15+ years behind. :laugh:
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 14, 2025, 10:34:34 AMThis term is often overused and can be cringe worthy, but streaming is a "game changer". ;D
Albeit I'm about 15+ years behind. :laugh:
As soon as you start using streaming, those 15 years will vanish as if they never existed.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on January 14, 2025, 09:53:47 AMI couldn't commit to that because there are composers I have grown to like whose music is just being recorded. That said, I don't need to own more recordings of music by established composers, now that streaming is available.
One of the problems, or at least for me, of streaming is the endless amount of music that is being offered. I find this overwhelming and even if I don't think about it, it's bound to cross my mind again. I prefer to limit myself and if I'm "missing out" on a composer who is completely new to me that I may enjoy, then I'm fine with that --- as I said, I have enough music in my collection for multiple lifetimes.
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 14, 2025, 10:34:34 AMThis term is often overused and can be cringe worthy, but streaming is a "game changer". ;D
Albeit I'm about 15+ years behind. :laugh:
To the bolded .. that's exactly what it has been for me! The freedom to dive into new/unknown works or new/old performances of works at the click of a button is a wonderful thing for which I'm grateful almost every day. Though I do understand DB's point in the post above. And sometimes too much choice can mean you end up darting around rather than lingering for longer on something, which has its own rich rewards. So there are losses and gains in both ways of doing things I think.
@Franco_Manitobain out of those three Idagio is my favorite. I think it is missing some of Supraphon's catalog though. The detailed browsing and searching along with the tight integration with my streamer is what sets it apart from the other two for me.
But I use Qobuz more often than Idagio since it also offers me non-classical music.
Quote from: Iota on January 14, 2025, 11:30:44 AMTo the bolded .. that's exactly what it has been for me! The freedom to dive into new/unknown works or new/old performances of works at the click of a button is a wonderful thing for which I'm grateful almost every day. Though I do understand DB's point in the post above. And sometimes too much choice can mean you end up darting around rather than lingering for longer on something, which has its own rich rewards. So there are losses and gains in both ways of doing things I think.
I understand the excitement and the endless possibilities of new discoveries with the notion of streaming, but I have found this to be too much of a good thing. In fact, I have subscribed to Spotify a good while ago (Spotify Premium actually), but soon realized I was in way over my head and cancelled my subscription.
As I mentioned, if I had no other choice, then, yes I would be streaming but I've been incredibly fortunate (and grateful) to have been able to acquire such a remarkable classical CD collection through the years.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on January 14, 2025, 09:22:01 AMI have a large CD collection (not the largest) and this created a psychological barrier to streaming. It seemed like I was admitting that I'd wasted all of that money if I streamed instead. But then I accepted that fact that if streaming was sufficient for my needs, then I'd wasted all that money whether I stream or not.
It turns out that streaming is sufficient 95% of the time. There's the odd thing that is not on the streaming services that I have on my hard disk of FLAC files, and there are the things that are so badly organized on the streaming service that it is easier to find the FLAC files on my disk. But 95% of the time I am streaming, and often something that I also have on my hard disk. Streaming is easier and it sends a few extra pennies to the record producer. I still purchase music that I find "important" (mostly lossless download). But the money I save using streaming exceeds the monthly cost by a large factor.
In the end, I don't think the money I spent on CDs was all wasted, but now I don't spend money on CDs unless I confirm that they are really worth listening to again.
Yeah, pretty much this for me too.
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I often forget that I subscribe to Naxos Music Library (through my local library, of course) until I go combing through my phone apps to clear space or the like. Their app doesn't have the shuffle entire library (or, at least, all likes) feature that I enjoy on Apple Music, Spotify and YouTube Music, though the desktop version does (odd). For closer listens, particularly to full works, nothing beats a good lp or cd sitting room session. On the go, however, I like random movements from random works.
I will say the liner notes feature and "Premium" sound setting (320 kbt/s) are a boon on Naxos and surpasses all other platforms that I've enjoyed.
With their sky high individual subscriptions (as someone previously mentioned) I wouldn't go near it if my library didn't offer it, though.
The results are in: *Drumroll* 🥁
After going on both Presto and Idagio free trial runs, I have decided to go with Presto.
I just found it a little better organized with their search engine. And although Presto is currently lacking a "playlist" function (they are developing one), it isn't a function I currently use.
Just want to say that Idagio is a great product as well.
Now you just need to sample between Spotify, Amazon, Apple, YT, Deezer, Tidal, and Qobuz for completeness! :laugh:
Quote from: DavidW on March 17, 2025, 08:12:29 AMNow you just need to sample between Spotify, Amazon, Apple, YT, Deezer, Tidal, and Qobuz for completeness! :laugh:
:laugh:
Well, I certainly will if I feel dissatisfied with Presto.
Quote from: ChamberNut on March 17, 2025, 07:27:05 AMThe results are in: *Drumroll* 🥁
After going on both Presto and Idagio free trial runs, I have decided to go with Presto.
I just found it a little better organized with their search engine. And although Presto is currently lacking a "playlist" function (they are developing one), it isn't a function I currently use.
Just want to say that Idagio is a great product as well.
Quote from: DavidW on March 17, 2025, 08:12:29 AMNow you just need to sample between Spotify, Amazon, Apple, YT, Deezer, Tidal, and Qobuz for completeness! :laugh:
I am a bit of a hyperactive and indecisive streaming service tryer-outer. I have used them all, and they all work well enough IMO for classical. It just depends on what you like best.
Your comments reminded me to check my Presto account. I thought my one-year prepaid membership expired this month, but it turns out I have until May 19 before deciding if I want to pay again. I'll have to give it some more use for the next two months. 8)
Quote from: Number Six on March 23, 2025, 09:40:57 AMI am a bit of a hyperactive and indecisive streaming service tryer-outer. I have used them all, and they all work well enough IMO for classical. It just depends on what you like best.
It seems that music has done much better than any other media for digital. We have DRM-free downloads, and every streaming platform has everything or just about. Contrast that with playing the game of what streaming service is this TV show or movie on?
My Qobuz subscription renews in a month and I am contemplating switching to Presto for three reasons: (a) I haven't really used non-classical sections at all, (b) Presto is so much better at search and organization of albums, (c) it's nice to support a smaller business that is more in the classical community. However, it looks like there is a smaller catalog available - specifically it looks like Qobuz includes Hyperion but Presto does not? And there may be out of print old 70s-80s stuff not digitized on Presto. I'll have to research further - and reread this thread!
Quote from: Brian on March 23, 2025, 12:29:58 PMMy Qobuz subscription renews in a month and I am contemplating switching to Presto for three reasons: (a) I haven't really used non-classical sections at all, (b) Presto is so much better at search and organization of albums, (c) it's nice to support a smaller business that is more in the classical community. However, it looks like there is a smaller catalog available - specifically it looks like Qobuz includes Hyperion but Presto does not? And there may be out of print old 70s-80s stuff not digitized on Presto. I'll have to research further - and reread this thread!
Hmm, Brian.... Hyperion is on Presto.
Quote from: ChamberNut on March 23, 2025, 12:48:11 PMHmm, Brian.... Hyperion is on Presto.
Ok... I'll look in more detail some time soon (maybe if watching boring TV). By random chance the album I looked up, Stephen Hough's string quartet, did not appear, but I know not every Hyperion album has been uploaded to the streaming services yet.
Quote from: Brian on March 23, 2025, 12:50:33 PMOk... I'll look in more detail some time soon (maybe if watching boring TV). By random chance the album I looked up, Stephen Hough's string quartet, did not appear, but I know not every Hyperion album has been uploaded to the streaming services yet.
You're right, that particular one isn't there.
Quote from: Brian on March 23, 2025, 12:50:33 PMOk... I'll look in more detail some time soon (maybe if watching boring TV). By random chance the album I looked up, Stephen Hough's string quartet, did not appear, but I know not every Hyperion album has been uploaded to the streaming services yet.
Qobuz has the Hyperion-released album
Ravel, Dutilleux & Hough: String Quartets by the Takács Quartet, but I'm not sure if that's the one you're looking for.
Regarding the topic at hand, I'd like to emphasize once again that, in addition to the search function and library of a streaming service, integration with quality audio equipment is also crucial, beyond just using it on a regular computer or smartphone. This is especially important if, in the future, you decide to upgrade to audio set with higher-quality sound. Typically, specialized streamers support Tidal, Qobuz, and Spotify. No matter how well-organized the search or libraries of Presto or Idagio may be, they lack this capability.
I just AirPlay Idagio from my phone to my system (which is a hybrid CD player/streamer). Doing it right now as it happens...
This thread also reminded me why I didn't fall in love with Presto - the fact that everything is organised by and plays by album. More than 90% of my Idagio searching and listening is to a work, not an album, so I love how well Idagio handles that.
The metadata isn't perfect, but mostly I can work around it. A notable recent exception is when I told them they'd said that a piece composed by Carl August Nielsen was instead composed by the oboist Bjorn Carl Nielsen. They've promptly fixed it.
I'm currently listening to a Mozart album on Qobuz, streaming from my MacBook through a HomePod speaker. But that's not what I meant at all.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on March 24, 2025, 12:02:39 AMBut that's not what I meant at all.
No. But you also said that Idagio doesn't support any streamers, and Idagio itself says otherwise. I can't vouch for that information as I don't own a streamer, but they specifically list one called Eversolo. They also have instructions for some specific kinds of equipment, whether these qualify as "streamers" or not I don't know.
EDIT: And my CD player is not equivalent to a HomePod speaker anyway. I have that kind of portable speaker, and it's not remotely the same sound quality as my CD player. And my CD player directly supports Spotify in the way you're talking about.
Quote from: Madiel on March 24, 2025, 12:23:02 AMNo. But you also said that Idagio doesn't support any streamers, and Idagio itself says otherwise. I can't vouch for that information as I don't own a streamer, but they specifically list one called Eversolo. They also have instructions for some specific kinds of equipment, whether these qualify as "streamers" or not I don't know.
EDIT: And my CD player is not equivalent to a HomePod speaker anyway. I have that kind of portable speaker, and it's not remotely the same sound quality as my CD player. And my CD player directly supports Spotify in the way you're talking about.
I was a subscriber to Idagio about 5 or 7 years ago. Overall, I liked the service. But then I ran into the issue that it didn't fully integrate with high-quality audio equipment (Naim in my case). At the time, Qobuz and Tidal did, so my choice for a new streaming service was between them. I went with Qobuz, though the difference wasn't significant.
I haven't opened Idagio in a long time, though I probably still have an account and the option to renew my subscription. It's quite possible that they've come up with something for better integration and high-rez streaming in recent years. But Qobuz suits me just fine, and in any case, Idagio is far behind Qobuz in terms of variety across different music genres.
As for the HomePod, I wouldn't compare it to a typical mini speaker—there are plenty of those on the market. Apple has once again pulled off its magic trick and created something truly remarkable. I'm very pleased with the sound, and it's a great alternative audio system for outside the main home rig.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on March 23, 2025, 07:14:07 PMTypically, specialized streamers support Tidal, Qobuz, and Spotify. No matter how well-organized the search or libraries of Presto or Idagio may be, they lack this capability.
Idagio has native support on the Bluesound app, which represents the majority of streamers by market share. I seem to remember that Cambridge Audio supported Idagio. As Madiel noted, the rest of the streamers can do it through Airplay.
Quote from: DavidW on March 24, 2025, 04:43:14 AMIdagio has native support on the Bluesound app, which represents the majority of streamers by market share. I seem to remember that Cambridge Audio supported Idagio. As Madiel noted, the rest of the streamers can do it through Airplay.
It seems that AirPlay has its limitations. I get the impression that the same streamer can deliver noticeably different sound depending on how the signal is transmitted. Likewise, my B&W Bluetooth headphones can also connect via a digital cable, and the difference in SQ is quite pronounced.
Of course, we adapt. These days, I listen to music on a much simpler setup than I did 20 years ago, back when I had tube gear and full-sized speakers with ribbon drivers. Sure, something's been lost, but I still enjoy the music. The reverse seems easier — when music has always been heard in modest quality, there's no need to wonder how it might sound on high-end equipment.
Edied: How does the Bluesound app work? I looked for it in the App Store but couldn't find it. When I open the Naim app on my computer or smartphone to control my Naim streamer, I can choose from three streaming services — Tidal, Qobuz, or Spotify — for setup and connection. There don't seem to be any other options.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on March 24, 2025, 05:26:28 AMEdied: How does the Bluesound app work? I looked for it in the App Store but couldn't find it. When I open the Naim app on my computer or smartphone to control my Naim streamer, I can choose from three streaming services — Tidal, Qobuz, or Spotify — for setup and connection. There don't seem to be any other options.
The app is called BluOS and while Bluesound devices use it, so do any partners on streamers or speakers. See here: https://bluos.io/partners/ In the app the list of streaming services it supports natively is extensive. I think more and more companies will partner with them because these dedicated audiophile companies struggle to offer the same polished and complete experience with their own app.
Quote from: DavidW on March 24, 2025, 06:12:27 AMThe app is called BluOS and while Bluesound devices use it, so do any partners on streamers or speakers. See here: https://bluos.io/partners/ In the app the list of streaming services it supports natively is extensive. I think more and more companies will partner with them because these dedicated audiophile companies struggle to offer the same polished and complete experience with their own app.
Now I see, thanks. 5 or 6 brands besides Bluesound can use this app, which is undoubtedly a drop in the ocean. A pity, Idagio is a decent service.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on March 24, 2025, 06:36:08 AMNow I see, thanks. 5 or 6 brands besides Bluesound can use this app, which is undoubtedly a drop in the ocean. A pity, Idagio is a decent service.
I still strongly disagree. Look here: https://support.idagio.com/en/articles/388939-connecting-idagio-to-your-sound-system (https://support.idagio.com/en/articles/388939-connecting-idagio-to-your-sound-system). It is fairly well supported by multiple device ecosystems, as well as Chromecast, Apple Play, and Bluetooth.
I don't even know why you consider half a dozen a drop in the ocean. There are not that many audiophile companies making streamers. One to two dozen at most, not thousands. And most fit under the umbrella of offering support for Idagio. Just because it is not supported by your dinosaur streamer doesn't mean much.
Quote from: DavidW on March 24, 2025, 06:50:52 AMI still strongly disagree. Look here: https://support.idagio.com/en/articles/388939-connecting-idagio-to-your-sound-system (https://support.idagio.com/en/articles/388939-connecting-idagio-to-your-sound-system). It is fairly well supported by multiple device ecosystems, as well as Chromecast, Apple Play, and Bluetooth.
I don't even know why you consider half a dozen a drop in the ocean. There are not that many audiophile companies making streamers. One to two dozen at most, not thousands. And most fit under the umbrella of offering support for Idagio. Just because it is not supported by your dinosaur streamer doesn't mean much.
But that's exactly what I was saying — that Bluetooth, Chromecast, and the like murder sound quality.
So what made you think my streamer is a dinosaur? 😆
Edit: To understand better why I consider half a dozen a drop -- look here: https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/discover/apps-partners - click audio
Quote from: Brian on March 23, 2025, 12:29:58 PMMy Qobuz subscription renews in a month and I am contemplating switching to Presto for three reasons: (a) I haven't really used non-classical sections at all, (b) Presto is so much better at search and organization of albums, (c) it's nice to support a smaller business that is more in the classical community. However, it looks like there is a smaller catalog available - specifically it looks like Qobuz includes Hyperion but Presto does not? And there may be out of print old 70s-80s stuff not digitized on Presto. I'll have to research further - and reread this thread!
I noticed that the Hyperion Brahms Complete Chamber Music set isn't on Presto. Someone also mentioned that it wasn't on Spotify either.
Quote from: ChamberNut on March 28, 2025, 12:47:55 PMI noticed that the Hyperion Brahms Complete Chamber Music set isn't on Presto. Someone also mentioned that it wasn't on Spotify either.
It's just a set of pre-existing albums. Have you looked for the components?
Quote from: Madiel on March 28, 2025, 12:54:11 PMIt's just a set of pre-existing albums. Have you looked for the components?
Yes, that is true. Just super lazy. :) If I really want to listen to all the bits that make up the set, I'll go to find them.
Quote from: ChamberNut on March 28, 2025, 01:00:52 PMYes, that is true. Just super lazy. :) If I really want to listen to all the bits that make up the set, I'll go to find them.
Well it includes iterations of my beloved Susan Tomes which is always a plus. ;D
Susan Tomes is the level of famous that I'd send a fan letter to. (Inspired by Elgarian's lovely story of correspondence with a singer whose name I temporarily forget.)
Well I've sent her at least 3 emails and she always replies straight away. :)
For those that wanted a customized 'Playlist' option on Presto, they now have it. So that is the good news.
The bad news is, it is by 'track' only. No option right now to do it by adding a whole album/disc at once. So, if you want all 10 tracks on a specific release, you'll have to do each track individually to add to your 'Playlist'.
I'm new to streaming (2 weeks into a Qobuz trial, and already regretting all the money I've spent on downloads over the years), so the answer to my question may be obvious, but what I really like about Qobuz is the facility to download tracks at a bitrate of my choice for offline listening, and the fact that the tracks stay on my device for as long as I stay logged in to the app. Is that the same for all the other streaming services?
I would like to support Presto, all other things being equal - they are a bit cheaper than Qobuz and, most importantly, they are based in the town where I was born ;D
Quote from: DaveF on April 04, 2025, 02:05:28 AMIs that the same for all the other streaming services?
I think the great majority of services will give you the option to download tracks for offline listening, yes. Arguably any service that didn't would not compete in the market these days.
What gets me is that they treat the ability to listen offline as some new exciting advance, rather than... what we all did before streaming services existed. And I mean just in the era of iPods/mp3 players and smartphones.
Quote from: Madiel on April 04, 2025, 02:16:33 AMI think the great majority of services will give you the option to download tracks for offline listening, yes. Arguably any service that didn't would not compete in the market these days.
What gets me is that they treat the ability to listen offline as some new exciting advance, rather than... what we all did before streaming services existed. And I mean just in the era of iPods/mp3 players and smartphones.
Thank you - I'll give my fellow Leamingtonians a try next. The Presto website doesn't make it clear whether you can choose your download quality (they make much of their Hi-Res capability, but for outdoor listening mp3 is fine for me), but I can find out at no cost.
It's perhaps not the offline listening that's such a great advance as the offer of an all-you-can-eat musical buffet for the monthly cost of a single download!
Quote from: Madiel on April 04, 2025, 02:16:33 AMWhat gets me is that they treat the ability to listen offline as some new exciting advance, rather than... what we all did before streaming services existed. And I mean just in the era of iPods/mp3 players and smartphones.
Yes, I remembered doing that with NML on my iPod Touch!
Quote from: DaveF on April 04, 2025, 05:39:10 AMThank you - I'll give my fellow Leamingtonians a try next. The Presto website doesn't make it clear whether you can choose your download quality (they make much of their Hi-Res capability, but for outdoor listening mp3 is fine for me), but I can find out at no cost.
It's perhaps not the offline listening that's such a great advance as the offer of an all-you-can-eat musical buffet for the monthly cost of a single download!
You can trial Presto for free for 30 days.
Quote from: ChamberNut on April 04, 2025, 07:46:28 AMYou can trial Presto for free for 30 days.
On mature reflection, I think I'll stick with Qobuz, simply because of the range they offer. A good proportion of my listening is rock and folk, which you can't get on the other platforms.
Quote from: DaveF on April 04, 2025, 05:39:10 AMThank you - I'll give my fellow Leamingtonians a try next. The Presto website doesn't make it clear whether you can choose your download quality (they make much of their Hi-Res capability, but for outdoor listening mp3 is fine for me), but I can find out at no cost.
It's perhaps not the offline listening that's such a great advance as the offer of an all-you-can-eat musical buffet for the monthly cost of a single download!
Should you decide to go with Presto down the road, just know that you can indeed choose your download quality. For albums that have hi-res, you get four choices: Hi-res flac, flac lossless, mp3 320, mp3 192. (some albums only go as high as lossless, but that's the same on any service, as they're serving up what the record label gives them)
As Madiel said, these kinds of options are pretty standard across the board. I think most services use AAC for lossy files, but a few use mp3 (or even ogg, for spotify desktop).
I have been using Apple Music of late (alonsgside their classical app that I like very much), since I like also having lots of non-classical.
But I have found what I already knew: Too many albums in my saved library means things get lost and forgotten. Plus, you lose the benefits of Apple Classical on desktop.
So in order to segregate the classical from the others, I turned Idagio back on for the first time in a while. My Presto annual membership is still good for about 6 more weeks, but I just don't like it as much as Idagio. ;D
Qobuz just redesigned their in-browser platform. Now if you open multiple albums in multiple tabs, and press play on one album, it will play that album in all your tabs, at slightly different start times.
For example. I opened a tab with the new two-piano album from Alpha (Lukas Geniusas and Anna Geniushene playing American duos). Then I opened a second tab with the music I want to listen to after that, of 1700s chamber music. Then I went back to tab #1 and pressed play. The music was surprisingly loud, so I cranked down the volume. When it moved to track 2, however, it sounded like there was excessive reverb, an echo effect. Then I learned why..the second tab was also playing the same music! It had been perfectly synced for track 1, but track 2 loaded a half-second later and created the echo.
I replicated this by opening five different albums in different tabs, pressing play on one, and getting the chaos of five different versions of the same track playing at slightly different times!
This is the kind of design "feature" bug that could cause me to cancel, and quickly.
Quote from: Brian on May 05, 2025, 01:11:35 PMQobuz just redesigned their in-browser platform. Now if you open multiple albums in multiple tabs, and press play on one album, it will play that album in all your tabs, at slightly different start times.
For example. I opened a tab with the new two-piano album from Alpha (Lukas Geniusas and Anna Geniushene playing American duos). Then I opened a second tab with the music I want to listen to after that, of 1700s chamber music. Then I went back to tab #1 and pressed play. The music was surprisingly loud, so I cranked down the volume. When it moved to track 2, however, it sounded like there was excessive reverb, an echo effect. Then I learned why..the second tab was also playing the same music! It had been perfectly synced for track 1, but track 2 loaded a half-second later and created the echo.
I replicated this by opening five different albums in different tabs, pressing play on one, and getting the chaos of five different versions of the same track playing at slightly different times!
This is the kind of design "feature" bug that could cause me to cancel, and quickly.
It would never occur to me to try to use browser tabs in this way. With respect, the "normal" way to add music to play later is to press something that says to add it to the bottom of a playlist.
Quote from: Madiel on May 05, 2025, 01:22:04 PMIt would never occur to me to try to use browser tabs in this way. With respect, the "normal" way to add music to play later is to press something that says to add it to the bottom of a playlist.
Well, a playlist has more permanence and takes more effort. I'm talking about a much more casual endeavor. Say I come back from lunch, open the streamer, and see two albums I want to hear. Open both, one in this tab one in another, listen to the first, close it, listen to the second, close it. Much less effort than opening both, adding them to a playlist, opening a playlist, scrolling through all the other albums I've impulse-added in the same way*, listening to them, and then perhaps deleting them from the playlist or not.
*for example, my playlist for the CPO Diary thread has 67 albums...this causes philosophical questions...should I create a second playlist called CPO Things I Liked for the albums I want to listen to again someday, so that the first one remains a hopper for things not yet tried?
Quote from: Brian on May 05, 2025, 01:11:35 PMQobuz just redesigned their in-browser platform. Now if you open multiple albums in multiple tabs, and press play on one album, it will play that album in all your tabs, at slightly different start times.
Hm, must say I haven't been able to replicate that problem - although I find the in-browser thing quite difficult to open at all, and don't tend to use it since it puts 2- or 3-second gaps between tracks, unlike the PC app, which gives me gapless playback. But the whole Qobuz log-in process is a bit clunky - if I log in on the PC app, it then opens a web page (with a picture of a saxophonist on it) which tells me that I've logged in successfully and can now close this page! Not subscription-cancelling problems, though.
Quote from: Brian on May 05, 2025, 01:32:15 PMWell, a playlist has more permanence and takes more effort. I'm talking about a much more casual endeavor. Say I come back from lunch, open the streamer, and see two albums I want to hear. Open both, one in this tab one in another, listen to the first, close it, listen to the second, close it. Much less effort than opening both, adding them to a playlist, opening a playlist, scrolling through all the other albums I've impulse-added in the same way*, listening to them, and then perhaps deleting them from the playlist or not.
*for example, my playlist for the CPO Diary thread has 67 albums...this causes philosophical questions...should I create a second playlist called CPO Things I Liked for the albums I want to listen to again someday, so that the first one remains a hopper for things not yet tried?
No, I don't mean a permanent playlist. Maybe Qobuz is different, but the things I use for both music and podcasts generally have some sort of "play this next" option.
Edit: I think often it's called a "queue " rather than a playlist.
Qobuz has launched a new feature — Qobuz Connect. This means you can now use the Qobuz app as a remote to control music directly on compatible audio devices. It's simple — no Bluetooth, no third-party apps, just the Qobuz app and your favorite gear. You get the best sound quality, up to 24-bit/192kHz, and easy, smooth control. A great service just got even better.
Quote from: Brian on May 05, 2025, 01:11:35 PMQobuz just redesigned their in-browser platform. Now if you open multiple albums in multiple tabs, and press play on one album, it will play that album in all your tabs, at slightly different start times.
For example. I opened a tab with the new two-piano album from Alpha (Lukas Geniusas and Anna Geniushene playing American duos). Then I opened a second tab with the music I want to listen to after that, of 1700s chamber music. Then I went back to tab #1 and pressed play. The music was surprisingly loud, so I cranked down the volume. When it moved to track 2, however, it sounded like there was excessive reverb, an echo effect. Then I learned why..the second tab was also playing the same music! It had been perfectly synced for track 1, but track 2 loaded a half-second later and created the echo.
I replicated this by opening five different albums in different tabs, pressing play on one, and getting the chaos of five different versions of the same track playing at slightly different times!
This is the kind of design "feature" bug that could cause me to cancel, and quickly.
Brian, you've just uncovered a gold mine. Now you need to develop a layering playlist! Hmm, which works could sound really interesting with this splicing. I'm thinking Glass.
Quote from: Madiel on May 05, 2025, 02:36:42 PMNo, I don't mean a permanent playlist. Maybe Qobuz is different, but the things I use for both music and podcasts generally have some sort of "play this next" option.
Edit: I think often it's called a "queue " rather than a playlist.
There were two options, "add to queue" and "play this next." First up, I tried clicking on several albums and hitting "add to queue." Then I finished off the first album, looked at my queue...and it was empty. ::)
Gonna try "play this next" next...
Quote from: Brian on May 06, 2025, 06:29:06 AMThere were two options, "add to queue" and "play this next." First up, I tried clicking on several albums and hitting "add to queue." Then I finished off the first album, looked at my queue...and it was empty. ::)
Gonna try "play this next" next...
Were you trying to do that in one tab? Not across 5 tabs, because whatever bug you've got... you wanna try doing it in one tab.
I signed up for a free trial of Presto Classical today and I'm already unsubscribed. I guess this tells you how much I liked it. ;)
It did give me a chance to listen to some Krenek, though, which is something I had been meaning to do for quite some time. I don't own much of his music in my collection. But on the recommendation of
@Karl Henning I listened to the work
Symphonic Elegy and rather enjoyed it.
I am suddenly seeing a LOT of Qobuz albums where the tracks are samples only. Like many many more than in my first 12 months of using the service.
Quote from: Brian on May 27, 2025, 05:57:33 AMI am suddenly seeing a LOT of Qobuz albums where the tracks are samples only. Like many many more than in my first 12 months of using the service.
How strange...I wonder what is going on exactly?
Quote from: Brian on May 27, 2025, 05:57:33 AMI am suddenly seeing a LOT of Qobuz albums where the tracks are samples only. Like many many more than in my first 12 months of using the service.
I very rarely see any albums like that. Do you have any examples?
Quote from: DavidW on May 27, 2025, 08:51:22 AMI very rarely see any albums like that. Do you have any examples?
I was just searching Guarneri Quartet RCA stuff given the new box set that came out. Several of them came up that way.
Quote from: Brian on May 27, 2025, 09:32:11 AMI was just searching Guarneri Quartet RCA stuff given the new box set that came out. Several of them came up that way.
Okay, I found one. I would be curious if anyone who has a different service (Presto, Idagio, Apple) could see if it is available to stream:
(https://albumart.besteveralbums.com/albumart/album_large_222371_6459345de01ad.jpg)
Dvorak: string quartets and terzetto.
This would tell us if it is specific to Qobuz or if RCA is pulling back-catalog off of all streaming services.
I see album below on Qobuz, and it's fully available. I also randomly opened five or six other albums by the Guarneri Quartet — all of them are fully available for streaming. I have Qobuz UK.
(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/01/88/0888880928801_600.jpg)
Oh, that is interesting. Don't you just love geolocking?
Quote from: DavidW on May 27, 2025, 12:05:42 PMOh, that is interesting. Don't you just love geolocking?
This is frequently the problem, and frankly one of the reasons I still like buying CDs. There are times when I can buy a CD from the other side of the world using my computer, but the supposedly better world of streaming and downloads decides that as an Australian I couldn't possibly want or be allowed to hear that.
Quote from: DavidW on May 27, 2025, 12:05:42 PMOh, that is interesting. Don't you just love geolocking?
One way or another, it doesn't look like the issue is on Qobuz's side.
Quote from: Madiel on May 27, 2025, 03:03:37 PMThis is frequently the problem, and frankly one of the reasons I still like buying CDs. There are times when I can buy a CD from the other side of the world using my computer, but the supposedly better world of streaming and downloads decides that as an Australian I couldn't possibly want or be allowed to hear that.
Not that frequent, from what I can tell. Also, Qobuz has some albums that aren't available on CD at all. And even if a few individual albums are only partially available elsewhere — honestly, comparing the variety and accessibility of versions between streaming and physical media just doesn't make much sense anymore.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on May 27, 2025, 08:58:59 PMNot that frequent, from what I can tell.
It doesn't matter how frequent it is. It matters when it affects an album that I want to hear.
It literally affected me yesterday, so that's often enough.
Quote from: Madiel on May 28, 2025, 02:37:54 AMIt doesn't matter how frequent it is. It matters when it affects an album that I want to hear.
It literally affected me yesterday, so that's often enough.
Back when I used to buy CDs, I gradually amassed a bulky, unwieldy collection of thousands. Also spending what, for me, was a huge amount of money. It was inconvenient in every way - hard to store, awkward to browse, and a hassle to manage. Some times, I'd unwrap a new disc only to find it defective, with no way to replace it. Rare, but it happened. Streaming eventually solved that problem too.
During the transition period, when I still had my CDs around, I started noticing a shift: more and more often, I'd go straight to streaming to listen to an album, even though I had the same CD tucked away somewhere. When that became the norm, I suddenly realized: the time had come to say goodbye to plastic.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on May 28, 2025, 04:12:03 AMBack when I used to buy CDs, I gradually amassed a bulky, unwieldy collection of thousands. Also spending what, for me, was a huge amount of money. It was inconvenient in every way - hard to store, awkward to browse, and a hassle to manage. Some times, I'd unwrap a new disc only to find it defective, with no way to replace it. Rare, but it happened. Streaming eventually solved that problem too.
During the transition period, when I still had my CDs around, I started noticing a shift: more and more often, I'd go straight to streaming to listen to an album, even though I had the same CD tucked away somewhere. When that became the norm, I suddenly realized: the time had come to say goodbye to plastic.
Well that's fine, but I'm not at that point. For one thing most of my CDs are readily accessible. And so when I'm at home I use them.
Quote from: Madiel on May 28, 2025, 04:43:34 AMWell that's fine, but I'm not at that point. For one thing most of my CDs are readily accessible. And so when I'm at home I use them.
I still have ten or fifteen CDs, though it's been long years since I had any way to play them—no player, no computer with a drive. They've stayed with me like souvenirs of the past, quiet memories of loved ones.
We have a previous buying vs. streaming thread here:
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,32657.0.html
and an "owning media" in general thread here:
https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,34035.0.html
Quote from: DavidW on May 27, 2025, 10:45:06 AMOkay, I found one. I would be curious if anyone who has a different service (Presto, Idagio, Apple) could see if it is available to stream:
(https://albumart.besteveralbums.com/albumart/album_large_222371_6459345de01ad.jpg)
Dvorak: string quartets and terzetto.
This would tell us if it is specific to Qobuz or if RCA is pulling back-catalog off of all streaming services.
Okay, I did it myself... You can stream this on Spotify, which means it is a Qobuz problem. That being said, I have always found that Spotify has a slightly larger catalog than anyone else.
Quote from: Brian on May 27, 2025, 05:57:33 AMI am suddenly seeing a LOT of Qobuz albums where the tracks are samples only. Like many many more than in my first 12 months of using the service.
Does a VPN help?
Quote from: DavidW on May 28, 2025, 08:02:21 AMOkay, I did it myself... You can stream this on Spotify, which means it is a Qobuz problem. That being said, I have always found that Spotify has a slightly larger catalog than anyone else.
Not necessarily. Spotify uses lossy compression. A publisher might restrict lossless streaming while allowing lossy streaming without limitations.
The reason I use Naxos is because I am a member of the Association of Concert Bands.
One of the perks of being a member is that one has access to the Naxos service.
Quote from: DavidW on May 28, 2025, 08:02:21 AMOkay, I did it myself... You can stream this on Spotify, which means it is a Qobuz problem.
I thought we'd established it was a geoblocking problem. Whether the geoblocking is the same on all platforms, well, not necessarily. The situation I had 2 days ago, the album I wanted was visible on Spotify though I could only play a few tracks. On other services the album was completely invisible.
EDIT: I can't find that album with that cover on Spotify, though I use Spotify so rarely that might not mean anything. I could find that cover
photo, but only for one string quartet as originally released in the 1980s, not the set of four now advertised.
SECOND EDIT: I've found it. With a completely misleading title that doesn't match the title on the cover. And with the finale of the 'American' quartet marked as not playable in Australia for some mystifying reason. We can only tolerate 75% American.
Additionally, it's a well-known fact that some albums may be available in one country and unavailable or only partially available in another. This practice emerged long before streaming services.
Quote from: arpeggio on May 28, 2025, 09:31:03 PMThe reason I use Naxos is because I am a member of the Association of Concert Bands.
One of the perks of being a member is that one has access to the Naxos service.
If the Naxos subscription wasn't so bloody expensive, I would give it a whirl as I do like the look and feel of it.
I didn't know Naxos was expensive. I can use it through the city library.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on May 28, 2025, 09:11:14 PMNot necessarily. Spotify uses lossy compression. A publisher might restrict lossless streaming while allowing lossy streaming without limitations.
Except for a small niche of audiophiles, nobody cares about lossless streaming. I can not see a record label making that kind of decision.
Quote from: Madiel on May 29, 2025, 03:44:36 AMI didn't know Naxos was expensive. I can use it through the city library.
Oh really? I'll have to check it out to see if I can do the same with my library.
Quote from: DavidW on May 29, 2025, 05:39:41 AMExcept for a small niche of audiophiles, nobody cares about lossless streaming. I can not see a record label making that kind of decision.
If that were the case, no one would subscribe to Qobuz or Tidal — everyone would just stick with Spotify.
Quote from: AnotherSpin on May 29, 2025, 09:54:07 AMIf that were the case, no one would subscribe to Qobuz or Tidal — everyone would just stick with Spotify.
"Small niche" is the important phrase here. Where do you see those services on this pie chart?
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I have participated in several music streaming platforms. The one that I like the best is Amazon.
Quote from: DavidW on May 29, 2025, 11:19:12 AM"Small niche" is the important phrase here. Where do you see those services on this pie chart?
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I'm talking about those who listen to classical music. It seems to me that I'm not the only one on this forum subscribed to Qobuz.