I'm interested in pianists who carried over their style and technique from the 19th Century, so we're talking historic recordings here. What are the best ones? Or where is there a good list of these people and their recorded output? If there's another thread, I apologize, but it seemed easier to do it this way. You can link me to it if there is one. I've just read that no one plays like them anymore, so it is a lost form of the art—that 19th Century style of playing.
I'm not good at giving thoughtful descriptions, so I'll just proceed to list some names. You can then google them
Josef Hofmann
Benno Moiseiwitsch
Konstantin Igumnov (he was in the same class of Scriabin)
Vladimir de Pachmann
Egon Petri
Samuel Feinberg
Ignaz Friedman
Here are some files I uploaded in the past that are still active (I don't really remember what is in each of them)
http://rapidshare.com/files/11835457/Egon.Petri.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/13174196/Sauer.Liszt.zip
(I think this one had Liszt piano concertos, played by Emil von Sauer)
http://rapidshare.com/files/46542649/Hoffman.rar
(Beethoven's 14th sonata, by Josef Hofmann)
One of my favourites, Cortot 0:).
(But from memory, I think you're a fan already :D)
Quote from: Manuel on September 26, 2007, 06:38:14 AM
I'm not good at giving thoughtful descriptions, so I'll just proceed to list some names. You can then google them
Josef Hofmann
Benno Moiseiwitsch
Konstantin Igumnov (he was in the same class of Scriabin)
Vladimir de Pachmann
Egon Petri
Samuel Feinberg
Ignaz Friedman
Hey thanks, Manuel. That's just what I'm looking for. I have a de Pachmann recording but it has enormous amounts of hiss that pretty much drown out the music. I hope I don't have to work that hard to listen to some of these other pianists. :)
Quote from: Manuel on September 26, 2007, 06:40:19 AM
Here are some files I uploaded in the past that are still active (I don't really remember what is in each of them)
http://rapidshare.com/files/11835457/Egon.Petri.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/13174196/Sauer.Liszt.zip
(I think this one had Liszt piano concertos, played by Emil von Sauer)
http://rapidshare.com/files/46542649/Hoffman.rar
(Beethoven's 14th sonata, by Josef Hofmann)
Cool. Thanks.
Quote from: Novitiate on September 26, 2007, 06:41:05 AM
One of my favourites, Cortot 0:).
(But from memory, I think you're a fan already :D)
You are correct. I do own some Cortot. And I know Schnabel (if he's considered among these).
Also, I need more Rachmaninoff, the pianist. :)
Quote from: dtwilbanks on September 26, 2007, 06:43:56 AM
Also, I need more Rachmaninoff, the pianist. :)
Check this (http://classic.chubrik.ru/Rachmaninov-performer/)place. It's in russian, but you will find your way.
I have some piano rolls by Debussy (he plays some of his Etudes, Images and one Arabesque), Ravel (he plays Bolero), Busoni (his Chaconne after Bach, all of Chopin Preludes Op. 28). I'm uploading this in the next days.
Quote from: Manuel on September 26, 2007, 06:49:52 AM
Check this (http://classic.chubrik.ru/Rachmaninov-performer/)place. It's in russian, but you will find your way.
:o Wow!
Quote from: Manuel on September 26, 2007, 06:52:32 AM
I have some piano rolls by Debussy (he plays some of his Etudes, Images and one Arabesque), Ravel (he plays Bolero), Busoni (his Chaconne after Bach, all of Chopin Preludes Op. 28). I'm uploading this in the next days.
can't wait. Thanks Manuel
Quote from: dtwilbanks on September 26, 2007, 07:17:11 AM
:o Wow!
I know. I can't sit for a long time here to compose long post with music thoughts. So I'll just give you the music.
For the rest you can ask Larry, he is the clever guy. I'm just a music-poster. ;D
Quote from: dtwilbanks on September 26, 2007, 06:43:56 AM
Also, I need more Rachmaninoff, the pianist. :)
IMO, you need ALL that Rachmaninoff did as a pianist...if you really love his distinctive style as much as I do.
;D
Don't know if that Russian site has it all, but it appears to have a nice big chunk. In any case, his complete recordings are still available (I think--they were last time I looked) as a budget box from BMG/RCA.
Enjoy!
Dirk
Quote from: dirkronk on September 26, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
IMO, you need ALL that Rachmaninoff did as a pianist...if you really love his distinctive style as much as I do.
;D
Don't know if that Russian site has it all, but it appears to have a nice big chunk. In any case, his complete recordings are still available (I think--they were last time I looked) as a budget box from BMG/RCA.
Enjoy!
Dirk
Yeah, I should just get the box if it has everything. Thanks, Dirk.
I've some recordings on piano by Granados,Prokofieff,Enescu,Casella,
Boskowsky,Godowsky,Rachmaninoff,Saint-Saëns,Barer, Kapell,Koczalski
...
Quote from: carlos on September 26, 2007, 09:12:55 AM
I've some recordings on piano by Granados,Prokofieff,Enescu,Casella,
Boskowsky,Godowsky,Rachmaninoff,Saint-Saëns,Barer, Kapell,Koczalski
...
Scriabin, Neuhaus, Borowski, Da Motta, De Greef, Carreño, D'Albert, Rosenthal, Leschetisky, Lamond...
Are some of these piano rolls? And are piano rolls worth acquiring?
Quote from: dtwilbanks on September 26, 2007, 09:22:14 AM
Are some of these piano rolls?
Yes. Most of them. Teresa Carreño did an interesting g minor Ballade (Chopin).
Quote from: dtwilbanks on September 26, 2007, 09:22:14 AM
And are piano rolls worth acquiring?
Only if you something that looks like this
(http://www.pianola.org/images/display_area%20graphics/historyjpgs_angelus1895.jpg)
Otherwise, I suggest you purchase regular cds containing digital transfers from the original piano rolls. ;D
Quote from: Manuel on September 26, 2007, 10:07:47 AM
Otherwise, I suggest you purchase regular cds containing digital transfers from the original piano rolls. ;D
;D
The recordings of Simon Barere might fit the bill quite nicely. The virtuoso style that sems to be a part of this piano playing era is so evident with Barere and some of it is just jaw droppingly amazing!! His Islamey is a case in point.
Quote from: Holden on September 26, 2007, 01:47:32 PM
The recordings of Simon Barere might fit the bill quite nicely. The virtuoso style that sems to be a part of this piano playing era is so evident with Barere and some of it is just jaw droppingly amazing!! His Islamey is a case in point.
I agree. And there are rather interesting comparisons to be heard between his earlier EMI recordings and the very late Carnegie Hall recordings he did in the years just before his death.
I don't know if these pianists would qualify in terms of exemplifying 19th century pianism, but they do offer distinct (and distinctive) differences compared to more modern performers: early Gabrilowitsch, Thyssens-Valentin, Elly Ney (early or late), Heinrich Neuhaus, Goldenweiser, Egon Petri...and I agree about Lamond, Friedman and Feinberg.
FWIW,
Dirk
Schnabel (LvB, Schubert)
R Serkin's mono LvB
Edwin Fischer (Schubert)
Cortot (Chopin, Schumann)
Gieseking (Debussy on VAI)
Rachmaninov
Feinberg (Bach WTC on Russian Compact Disc)
Thanks for all the feedback. Am looking into some of these...
http://www.arbiterrecords.com/musicresourcecenter/musicresourcecenter.html
http://www.lib.umd.edu/PAL/IPAMpianofiles.html (http://www.lib.umd.edu/PAL/IPAMpianofiles.html)
http://www.lib.umd.edu/PAL/IPAM/buyersguide.html (http://www.lib.umd.edu/PAL/IPAM/buyersguide.html)
Q
Thanks, Q.
QuoteJeanne-Marie Darré was born in Givet, France on July 30, 1905. She studied with Philipp and made her Paris debut in 1920. Following this performance, Darré toured throughout Europe. In 1958, she became a professor of piano at the Paris Conservatory. For many summers, Darré taught a well-attended master class in the French city of Nice. Her first American concerts took place in 1962. Darré was particularly esteemed for her performances of Chopin, Liszt and Saint-Saëns. She died in 1999.
It is said she could play all of Saint-Saens concertos in one night. I also read somewhere she played the second concerto to Saint-Saens himself, who was very pleased. Fortunately, she made recording of the five works.
Her Chopin is also very good.
:) tx q!!!
Quote from: Manuel on September 28, 2007, 03:27:54 AM
Her Chopin is also very good.
doesn't exactly turn heads though
not necessarily historical but Altara are releasing volume 3 of their Michelangeli series. Apparently first ever releases of live performances of Rachmaninoff's PC 4 and Mozart's PC 25.
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/2653880
Though of course that isn't exactly true about the Rachmaninoff. Tahra released it just a few months ago. Pipped to the post ;D
Naive are also putting all of Sokolov's commercial Chopin into a 2 CD set. Worth it for the op. 25 etudes which are far and away the most powerful out there.
some new Russian piano releases from APR
Early Ginzburg (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//APR5667.htm)
Goldenweiser (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//APR5661.htm)
Nikolayeva (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//APR5666.htm)