What are the best angry sounding arias? Like D'oreste D'aiace or Armatae Face et Aguibus?
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 24, 2007, 05:17:26 PM
What are the best angry sounding arias? Like D'oreste D'aiace or Armatae Face et Aguibus?
Well, I know that you are a Händellian, not a Mozartian, but I would still recommend "Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen" (The Queen of the Night's Aria) from Der Zauberflöte as one of the best examples of pure rage going. :)
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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 24, 2007, 05:30:15 PM
Well, I know that you are a Händellian, not a Mozartian, but I would still recommend "Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen" (The Queen of the Night's Aria) from Der Zauberflöte as one of the best examples of pure rage going. :)
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Nice joke Gurn ;D
That Eine Kleine Nachtmusik by that same guy also seems to be a good work ;)
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 24, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
Nice joke Gurn ;D
That Eine Kleine Nachtmusik by that same guy also seems to be a good work ;)
Oh yes, these are just the words to go with it. The contrast between the rage in the words and the Rococo lightness of the minuet is what really sets it all off. :)
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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 24, 2007, 05:56:56 PM
Oh yes, these are just the words to go with it. The contrast between the rage in the words and the Rococo lightness of the minuet is what really sets it all off. :)
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Yes, its quite unfortunate that its already been arranged into the opera "The Magical Fruit" on the Simpsons or else that would be the new craze!
Beans oh beans delicious in your mouth
but watch out when beans come out down south!
I think we have a new gmg record by the way :) 3rd post and we are already off topic :)
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 24, 2007, 06:08:37 PM
Yes, its quite unfortunate that its already been arranged into the opera "The Magical Fruit" on the Simpsons or else that would be the new craze!
Beans oh beans delicious in your mouth
but watch out when beans come out down south!
I think we have a new gmg record by the way :) 3rd post and we are already off topic :)
;D
I won't be really impressed until someone goes OT in the original post. :D
(I bet Saul could do it)
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Quote from: Gurn Blanston on October 24, 2007, 06:18:49 PM
;D
I won't be really impressed until someone goes OT in the original post. :D
(I bet Saul could do it)
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Handel can do that!!! I'm not sure just where yet but one of his 50,000 oratorios must have a rage aria :)
If not, we are counting on you Saul, Buddy :D
Another Mozart aria that would fit in nicely: Martern aller Arten. Constanze vows to be steadfast under "tutte le torture". Sounds mawkish? Wait 'till you hear the lass hurling imprecations around!
Or try yet another wolfgangian triumph, from Le Nozze di Figaro: there's a bona fide vengeance aria (Bartolo's La vendetta!). This Youtube video (http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view887784.html)showcases bass John Tomlinson, and quite good it is!
...the one's I sing on the highway using a libretto of 4 letter words. Fortunately none of them have been recorded.
But seriously, Abscheulicher! Wo eilst du hin? from Beethoven's Fidelio would I think be an excellent candidate. After all! the man more than most was in a steady state of being pissed-off.
Another example and probably a better one would be "Or sai chi l'onore" from Mozart's Don Giovanni, certainly one of the greatest female rage arias in the repertoire.
Yes! Or sai chi l'onore qualifies handsomely. As does the same opera's Elvira aria: Ah! chi mi dice mai, quel barbaro dove? (she vows to tear his heart out. Ouch!!)
Who would have thought such grit could be found in Mozart 0:)
Hmmphhjaaaweee, Now that we have covered Mozart, how about other composers? I know all of these Mozart arias, I listen to them just about daily. I would like to explore some arias that I can add to my list. I like fiery arias!
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Gn89JoTfBak
Fine, just so no one will mention it, also Mozart's aria from Idomeneo tutte nel cor vi sento is a pretty angry aria. And the one I said first also is from Idomeneo d'oreste d'aiace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/9AdN7qwjpUw
Also from Handel's Giulio Cesare I love Al lampo dell'armi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/A94P3T7uLf8
What about Die Frist is Um from the Flying Dutchman which is really a rage against fate and then there is always Alberich's curse in Das Rheingold.
BEETHOVEN: Fidelio, Pizarro's Aria "Auf euch nur will ich banen".
VERDI: Otello, Duo "Si per cielo".
VERDI: Rigoletto, Aria "Si vendetta".
VERDI: La Forza del Destino, Aria "Egli e salvo"
WAGNER: Rheingold, Alberich's Monologue "Nun, bin ich frei?"
Quote from: val on October 24, 2007, 11:29:28 PM
BEETHOVEN: Fidelio, Pizarro's Aria "Auf euch nur will ich banen".
VERDI: Otello, Duo "Si per cielo".
VERDI: Rigoletto, Aria "Si vendetta".
VERDI: La Forza del Destino, Aria "Egli e salvo"
WAGNER: Rheingold, Alberich's Monologue "Nun, bin ich frei?"
Si vendetta is really a duet, Rigoletto vowing vengeance, and Gilda pleading with him to be merciful. However Rigoletto's
Cortigiani, vil razza dannata! would certainly qualify.
Si pel ciel is also a duet
Enrico's cabaletta from Act I of
Lucia di Lammermoor would also qualify.
Also in the running should be Monterone's terrifying outburst in Rigoletto, Act I. Not an aria, but quite the showstopper. No wonder Rigoletto exclaims: Ah! la maledizione!!
Thanks everyone, but is this as big as this list will get? Some one has to get angry somewhere in some opera...
There are probably quite a few angry cabalettas in early 19th century Italian operas.
Anna's final Coppia iniqua, l'estrema vendetta from Anna Bolena
Lady Macbeth's Or tutti sorgete, ministri infernali from Verdi's Macbeth
The Princess's Acerba volutta from Cilea's Adrianna Lecouvreur
Amneris's L'aborrita rivale from Aida
Azucena's Deh! Rallentate, o barbari from Il Trovatore
Norma gets angry quite a lot, but only in duets and ensembles. So does Medea in Cherubini's operas, but, again, not in either of her two big arias.
It doesn't count, not being an aria, but Strauss's Capriccio has a Dispute Ensemble.
Quote from: HandelHooligan on October 25, 2007, 10:41:45 AM
Thanks everyone, but is this as big as this list will get? Some one has to get angry somewhere in some opera...
Was your purpose just to get as big a list as possible? Is this yet another symptom of listmania? :P
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on October 25, 2007, 03:50:35 PM
Was your purpose just to get as big a list as possible? Is this yet another symptom of listmania? :P
No...I just discovered that my favorite arias all sound fiery. The ones I will want to listen to often. And I did expect a huge list..
Well, if you listen to them in context, a hefty schedule is awaiting you :D
Here it is, the Handel rage aria that was assumed to exist. Hercules, his wife driven to distraction raves in an aria called, 'Where shall I fly?' However, to hear it in its most driven performance, you need Minkowski drawing a completely unhinged rendition from Anne Sophie von Otter. Other singers sound civilised by comparison.
Mike
The final act to Pagliacci
"No, Pagliaccio non son" full of rage, eh? ;D
I particularly like the James McCracken Decca version for this finale, although not one of my favourite singers the hatred and anguish in his vocal 'acting' really hits the spot.
Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on October 24, 2007, 08:32:40 PM
Hmmphhjaaaweee, Now that we have covered Mozart, how about other composers? I know all of these Mozart arias, I listen to them just about daily. I would like to explore some arias that I can add to my list. I like fiery arias!
It also helps to
look angry (and show some cleavage, I guess)...
GLUCK: "Divinites du Styx"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPJP0lxyRo (the orchestra, esp. the brass, sound pretty angry)
BEETHOVEN: "Ah Perfido"
(Someone posted a few tantalizing phrases of the above in a rather demeaning clip of Callas on youtube.)
ZB
Divinites du Styx.....Yes, I had forgotten that aria, but in only one performance that I know of does the rage really come across; Callas.
Mike
Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on October 24, 2007, 06:22:31 PM
Handel can do that!!! I'm not sure just where yet but one of his 50,000 oratorios must have a rage aria :)
If not, we are counting on you Saul, Buddy :D
Handel's Saul has an aria, "With rage shall I burn." He's a little upset that David is more popular than he is.
How do you like them apples: in one example, I get in rage, Handel, and Saul. :D
Divinités du Styx is not about rage, but about renouncement and undying love: Alceste foregoes the gods' insensitive powers ("Je n'invoquerai point votre pitié cruelle"). The aria speaks of Alceste's renunciation ("Je vous abandonne une épouse fidèle") and the sense of fortitude and elation that she feels ("Mourir pour ceux qu'on aime est un trop doux effort, une vertu si naturelle" - "Je sens une force nouvelle, je vais où mon époux m'appelle").
To hear another great dramatic soprano give this superb piece its real dimension, hear Eileeen Farrell here(a CBC broadcast, better then the official Sony disc).
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHbXUqaHkQ&feature=related
In this live Callas extract (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XdnjEminv2I&feature=related), the gods must have fled at once: in Alceste's invocation La Divina pulverizes any intimation of resistance to her fearsome resolve. Litterally jaw dropping, despite atrociously crumbling sound.
Avoid the droopy Baker versions (live or recorded). She has the voice, but she pleads and begs where she should demand and placate.
Yes, you are right, it is not primarily about Rage, I hesitated about writing as I did, but as soon as I saw the title mentioned, the etched-into-the-brain Callas version jumped into my mind. I agree re Baker in this case.
Mike
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on November 14, 2007, 05:53:54 PM
Divinités du Styx is not about rage, but about renouncement and undying love: Alceste foregoes the gods' insensitive powers ("Je n'invoquerai point votre pitié cruelle"). The aria speaks of Alceste's renunciation ("Je vous abandonne une épouse fidèle") and the sense of fortitude and elation that she feels ("Mourir pour ceux qu'on aime est un trop doux effort, une vertu si naturelle" - "Je sens une force nouvelle, je vais où mon époux m'appelle").
Thanks so much for the link. It was nothing short of a revelation and overturned my rather superficial to date knowledge of the aria. It certainly pays to know the entire story of the opera. (Alceste was sacrificing herself!) Barring that, however, I was also dependent on the available singers who recorded the aria and even one whom I played for many years ago who went through it rather like a bulldozer. In fact I didn't like the aria back then because of that. Even the orchestra is much better, not blasting the brass as in the Callas clip. Now it all makes sense. Wow, thanks again.
ZB
My pleasure ;). The Callas extract I referred to is not the familiar Pretre EMI disc, but a live from 1954. I've inserted it in my previous post. If you found Callas overbearing in 1961, wait to hear her tear into Alceste's music, Medea-like :o
I know the thread is very old, but I don't care.
I also tend to like arias that are intence and active, so some of them fall in the "rage arias" cathegory.
I'm gonna share som of my favourite ones.
Impara, ingrata (Polifemo) from Aci, Galatea and Polifemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2FRfk5NzX0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2FRfk5NzX0)
It's at the same time a rage and a love aria
Siroe, HWV 24, Act II: "Tu di pieta mi spogli... " from Handel's Siroe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySZZUpFOkl8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySZZUpFOkl8)
It was also used in Handel's Oreste, and there it seemed to be more in place. The king was trying to win a married woman and make her forget her husband. In Siroe it's reused in a scene when father(king) promises his impisoned son freedom, gives him permission to marry his own lover(he knows she loves his son and he believes that he loves her, too) and future crown if he names the person who's about to attempt on king's life and the son refuses. The text is changed a little, too, but it just seems veird. And in Oreste it seems exactly in place.
And "Furie terribili" from Orlando. There's no actual rage there, it's just Armida's entrance aria, but the lyrics (she enters surrounded by furias) and the mood correspond. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ca8BgcGf-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ca8BgcGf-g)