Hi! :)
I'm DavidW. Some of you might have known me from the old gmg board, or the cmg board. I've posted as mahlerfan, gravityman, and DavidW. I've been posting on cmg since I think fall of 2002, and gmg since what winter of 2004? I've been listening to classical music since I discovered it in high school and currently my favorite composer is Beethoven. I have no understanding of musical theory, no ability to play on any musical instruments, the only thing I know how to do is put a cd in the player, and plop into a chair and listen. ;D
Oh yeah one last thing, I overuse emoticons. :D
Welcome back David! Hope all is well your way.
PS: I expect to see a triple digit post count above your avatar by late afternoon tomorrow. ;D
Thanks Bill, btw check your inbox. :)
Quote from: DavidW on April 23, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
I've posted as mahlerfan, gravityman, and DavidW.
Yeah, I remember when you were GRAVITYMAN . . . . . . and, in that persona, you bitch-slapped me every time I dissed Haydn's symphonies . . . . . . . :D
Quote from: D Minor on April 23, 2007, 05:37:26 PM
Yeah, I remember when you were GRAVITYMAN . . . . . . and, in that persona, you bitch-slapped me every time I dissed Haydn's symphonies . . . . . . . :D
Well, you DID deserve it... :D
8)
PS - Gravityman was, above all, fair and evenhanded. He was an equal opportunity bitch-slapper. ;D
David - thrilled to see your 're-incarnation' in the new GMG Forum - :)
Welcome back, and hope to see your 'wonderful' posts in the 'immediate' future - Dave :D
Quote from: DavidW on April 23, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
Hi! :)
I'm DavidW. Some of you might have known me from the old gmg board, or the cmg board. I've posted as mahlerfan, gravityman, and DavidW.
Let's not forget dtw. ;D
Quote
I've been posting on cmg since I think fall of 2002, and gmg since what winter of 2004? I've been listening to classical music since I discovered it in high school and currently my favorite composer is Beethoven.
We're gonna be fast friends. 8)
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 23, 2007, 06:19:18 PM
PS - Gravityman was, above all, fair and evenhanded. He was an equal opportunity bitch-slapper. ;D
hehe I was a stinker! I had Paulb confused, at least for awhile... ;D
Quote from: George on April 23, 2007, 06:26:28 PM
We're gonna be fast friends. 8)
Yeah I'm back to the basics, the piano sonatas and the ninth symphony. The ninth doesn't leave my head much these days, it just plays through. Such violent, passionate music! :o
Quote from: DavidW on April 23, 2007, 06:46:38 PM
Yeah I'm back to the basics, the piano sonatas and the ninth symphony. The ninth doesn't leave my head much these days, it just plays through. Such violent, passionate music! :o
I haven't heard it in awhile. Perhaps tomorrow...
Who do you like in this one?
Quote from: George on April 23, 2007, 06:49:04 PM
I haven't heard it in awhile. Perhaps tomorrow...
Who do you like in this one?
I was listening to Blomstedt. I don't have an informed opinion on 9ths anymore, I've forgot most of the other recordings that I've heard, I just know that I love what I have! :D
Quote from: DavidW on April 23, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
I was listening to Blomstedt. I don't have an informed opinion on 9ths anymore, I've forgot most of the other recordings that I've heard, I just know that I love what I have! :D
Funny, I was listening to Blomstedt's Sibelius today (I think you have this one? ;)) and decided that I definitely prefer Ashkenazy's Sibelius.
I still think HvK's '63 recording is my fave.
Quote from: George on April 23, 2007, 06:56:01 PM
Funny, I was listening to Blomstedt's Sibelius today (I think you have this one? ;)) and decided that I definitely prefer Ashkenazy's Sibelius.
Oh that's right! Awesome, I totally forgot, I only listened to 'em once when I got them, it's time for a relisten. Perhaps tomorrow, early evening, I'll sit down with a beer and the sixth symphony. :)
QuoteI still think HvK's '63 recording is my fave.
I had that Karajan set for along time, really good. I handed it off to a friend that loves Beethoven but didn't have a set of his symphonies. I wonder if he took it with him to Paris or not? It would be sad for it just collect dust in a closet somewhere.
Quote from: George on April 23, 2007, 06:56:01 PM
Funny, I was listening to Blomstedt's Sibelius today (I think you have this one? ;)) and decided that I definitely prefer Ashkenazy's Sibelius.
I still think HvK's '63 recording is my fave.
The singing on that HvK 63 is hard to beat. For that part it IS my favorite version. Think I'll check out that Blomstadt though.
David, have you heard the Vanska 9th? It is truly nice.
8)
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on April 23, 2007, 07:02:11 PM
The singing on that HvK 63 is hard to beat. For that part it IS my favorite version. Think I'll check out that Blomstadt though.
David, have you heard the Vanska 9th? It is truly nice.
8)
And Gurn, have you heard the Dohnányi/Cleveland 9th....still my favorite. Just curious. Even edges out the HvK for me.
:) :D ;D Welcome back David! 8) $:) 0:) ;)
Welcome back it is then. ;D
Quote from: DavidW on April 23, 2007, 07:00:51 PM
Oh that's right! Awesome, I totally forgot, I only listened to 'em once when I got them, it's time for a relisten. Perhaps tomorrow, early evening, I'll sit down with a beer and the sixth symphony. :)
Cool!
When you get a chance, please stop by the "Identify your avatar" thread in the diner?
Welcome BACK DavidW !
David, since you are so good at it, would you bitch-slap dB for us? He's been talking a lot of nonsense in Greta's Mahler thread. Thank you in advance. dB will eventually thank you too ;D
Sarge
Thank you everyone. Gurn, I'll get back to you on the Vanska later today, and uh George I'll check out that thread. :)
Quote from: DavidW on April 23, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
I've been listening to classical music since I discovered it in high school and currently my favorite composer is Beethoven.
(*sigh*) ;D
Quote from: D Minor on April 23, 2007, 05:37:26 PM
Yeah, I remember when you were GRAVITYMAN . . . . . . and, in that persona, you bitch-slapped me every time I dissed Haydn's symphonies . . . . . . . :D
Yow! I never suspected!
D Minor, you're a good man not to hold that against young
Dr David!
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 24, 2007, 04:59:37 AM
David, since you are so good at it, would you bitch-slap dB for us? He's been talking a lot of nonsense in Greta's Mahler thread. Thank you in advance. dB will eventually thank you too ;D
Sarge
I'm sorry to use DavidW's thread like this but what you do Sergeant Rock is not nice.
What free thinkers say is always resisted first and accepted later. Free thinkers tell things in provocative manner in order to compensate they are outnumbered and to be heard. I encourage you to evaluate your criteria of calling my opinions nonsense. You might learn something new about your own opinions.
Nobody bitch-slaps anyone, okay?
This is more like it, the old-timers back!
Hello David, how have you been!!! Good to see you! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Welcome back, David!
--Bruce
Quote from: 71 dB on April 24, 2007, 06:31:08 AM
I'm sorry to use DavidW's thread like this but what you do Sergeant Rock is not nice.
What free thinkers say is always resisted first and accepted later . . . .
71 dB old thing, relax, unwind, have a mental margarita.
And, what the heck, I'll say it again: no one begrudges you any
freedom of thought, but you supply ample amusement when you confuse freedom with just plain
woolly thinking.
And if you think that the quaint idea, that
Starlight Express is not in fact sonic cheese, is going to be accepted at any time by anything like a musical consensus, you've got another freethink coming.
Quote from: karlhenning on April 24, 2007, 07:18:42 AM
71 dB old thing, relax, unwind, have a mental margarita.
you've got another freethink coming.
Love the "mental maragarita" and (don't get mad) I have Judas Priest playing in my head when I think "You Got Another Freethink Comin'!".
Anyhoo, Hola
David! And please, grab the Fischer set of Haydn Symphonies!
I must confess, Andy, that I copped the mental margarita from Earth Girls Are Easy . . . .
Quote from: karlhenning on April 24, 2007, 07:36:09 AM
I must confess, Andy, that I copped the mental margarita from Earth Girls Are Easy . . . .
Hmmm, haven't seen that one yet (is that with Geena Davis? I was HOT for her in the "Fly").
Netflix!
Quote from: Haffner on April 24, 2007, 07:37:47 AM
Hmmm, haven't seen that one yet (is that with Geena Davis? I was HOT for her in the "Fly").
Netflix!
You have not seen that film me boy??????????????????
Go and do it directly! $:)
Hot Geena, I assure you!
Quote from: Haffner on April 24, 2007, 07:37:47 AM
Hmmm, haven't seen that one yet (is that with Geena Davis? I was HOT for her in the "Fly").
Netflix!
Yes, Geena Davis and Jeff Goldblum together (he's an alien, she's from the Valley, the phone bills would be murder . . . .)
A particularly outstanding effort by Jim Carrey, too!
Quote from: 71 dB on April 24, 2007, 06:31:08 AM
What free thinkers say is always resisted first and accepted later.
Okay, dB, you're probably right. Now that I think about it, a five minute Pomp and Circumstance March
is three times more complex than Mahler's six movement Third Symphony. (I don't know why I couldn't see that before! What a revelation!) And Dittersdorf's day
will undoubtedly come; a glorious day when his genius is recognized finally and Haydn, Mahler and Sibelius relegated to the dust bin of history, forgotten by free-thinking humanity.
I'm sorry I called your thoughts nonsense, dB. I realize now how mistaken I was. I'll ask David to bitch-slap me.
Sarge
Quote from: Haffner on April 24, 2007, 07:32:51 AM
Love the "mental maragarita" and (don't get mad) I have Judas Priest playing in my head when I think "You Got Another Freethink Comin'!".
(http://gfx.invisionize.com/db/index.php/f/2910/process/viewshot/size/sm)
Quote from: Harry on April 24, 2007, 07:39:33 AM
You have not seen that film me boy??????????????????
Go and do it directly! $:)
Indeed,
Harry! A film with lines like, "If meaningless sex is what you want, why can't you have it with me?" is a force to be reckoned with!
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 24, 2007, 07:40:24 AM
I realize now how mistaken I was. I'll ask David to bitch-slap me.
David's waiting out in the toolshed,
Sarge
Quote from: Harry on April 24, 2007, 07:39:33 AM
You have not seen that film me boy??????????????????
Go and do it directly! $:)
Hot Geena, I assure you!
I found out recently the woman is over 6' tall (my height)...
whoa!
Quote from: Haffner on April 24, 2007, 07:43:17 AM
I found out recently the woman is over 6' tall (my height)...whoa!
Andy....your girl is also tall, in loving you.............. 0:)
Quote from: karlhenning on April 24, 2007, 07:42:45 AM
David's waiting out in the toolshed, Sarge
I'll be out in a second...I'm just putting a thick book down the back of my trousers.
Sarge
Quote from: karlhenning on April 24, 2007, 07:42:01 AM
Indeed, Harry! A film with lines like, "If meaningless sex is what you want, why can't you have it with me?" is a force to be reckoned with!
I saw this film many times, and still its new everytime to me, and that line is indeed wonderful.
Quote from: Harry on April 24, 2007, 07:44:25 AM
Andy....your girl is also tall, in loving you.............. 0:)
She is, and I'm no Don Giovanni. I'm only a "cad" online 0:) 0:).
I'll see y'all later. We're off to Ludwigshafen to hear Sallinen, Sibelius, and Svendsen.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 24, 2007, 07:51:39 AM
I'll see y'all later. We're off to Ludwighafen to hear Sallinen, Sibelius, and Svendsen.
Sarge
Ah, "the three
S's." ;D Please report back...
--Bruce
Quote from: bhodges on April 24, 2007, 07:53:22 AM
Ah, "the three S's." ;D Please report back...
--Bruce
More fun than the three B's!
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 24, 2007, 07:54:37 AM
More fun than the three B's!
Sarge
Unless they are Berg, Birtwistle and Bruckner... ;D
--Bruce
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 24, 2007, 07:51:39 AM
I'll see y'all later. We're off to Ludwigshafen to hear Sallinen, Sibelius, and Svendsen.
Sarge
I am very envious. Living in Germany and with such terrific music. Sigh...
David, Cool beans!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike
Quote from: Haffner on April 24, 2007, 07:32:51 AM
Anyhoo, Hola David! And please, grab the Fischer set of Haydn Symphonies!
Oh yes I have 'em. Really nice, especially the early symphonies. I always
clubbed teased D about him not liking the Philosopher, it's a gem imo.
Quote from: karlhenning on April 24, 2007, 07:39:50 AM
Yes, Geena Davis and Jeff Goldblum together (he's an alien, she's from the Valley, the phone bills would be murder . . . .)
A particularly outstanding effort by Jim Carrey, too!
"Yes I think I'll have some of that good pie"... ;D Loved that line, it's become an old joke in the family, funny thing is I bet my parents forgot where that came from! :D
Hey George, I had that Sibelius 6th and beer last night, well I actually settled on the Segerstam because it was in my main collection (which is alphabetized), while the Blomstedt was in the uncategorized case.
It's amazing how Sibelius can transform the emotional meaning of a few themes and motifs. It's like he take anything no matter how simple it might sound and make it mean whatever he wants it to mean. Understated but complex, emotionally riveting music. It was a good evening. :)
Quote from: DavidW on April 24, 2007, 08:29:05 AM
Hey George, I had that Sibelius 6th and beer last night, well I actually settled on the Segerstam because it was in my main collection (which is alphabetized), while the Blomstedt was in the uncategorized case.
It's amazing how Sibelius can transform the emotional meaning of a few themes and motifs. It's like he take anything no matter how simple it might sound and make it mean whatever he wants it to mean. Understated but complex, emotionally riveting music. It was a good evening. :)
Glad it was a good night! I actually find much of Sibelius's music to be quite challenging. I agree that its complex, though with Ashkenazy I "get" it right away, at least emotionally. With Bloomstedt, I miss the emotion, with Ashy, I revel in it. Seems like this is like Medtner, in that it requires repeated listening.
Quote from: George on April 24, 2007, 09:49:43 AM
Glad it was a good night! I actually find much of Sibelius's music to be quite challenging. I agree that its complex, though with Ashkenazy I "get" it right away, at least emotionally. With Bloomstedt, I miss the emotion, with Ashy, I revel in it. Seems like this is like Medtner, in that it requires repeated listening.
George, it was Askenanazy that brought me into some understanding of Sibelius. His playing is quite as you described, poignant and emotional. Spot on!
Quote from: Steve on April 24, 2007, 03:18:33 PM
George, it was Askenanazy that brought me into some understanding of Sibelius. His playing is quite as you described, poignant and emotional. Spot on!
Thanks! :)
Quote from: DavidW on April 24, 2007, 06:08:49 AM
Thank you everyone. Gurn, I'll get back to you on the Vanska later today, and uh George I'll check out that thread. :)
Why did I say today? I listened to it this evening.
I swear each instrument plays in short, discrete intervals. It draws attention away from the melodies and puts them square on the rhythm. Especially with those wickedly sharp accents! The result is that
(a) it makes what is actually a moderate tempo sound very fast. A nice illusion of urgency.
(b) metronomic, you're just incredibly aware of the tempo throughout the whole symphony.
For me I couldn't emotionally connect to the music when played that way. It's like Morse code. It sounds dry and nervous.
And the vocalists are well... plain.
On the bright side, crystal clear recording, I could hear every instrument, I had no problem even in the most busiest sections. And it was neat for awhile to hear the interplay between the different instruments, almost chamber like dialogue. It's also nice to not have the strings threaten to drown out all other instruments.
Conclusion:
Dry and nervous sounding recording in brilliant, crystal clear sound.What was your impression Gurn? If I'm not mistaken that's your preferred style of music making so I'm guessing big thumbs up? All I know is there were a few interesting oddities that makes me wonder if Vanska used some unusual edition of the score or made some of his own changes.
Wow David, your "Hola" thread is almost as popular as the "Listening" one! ;D
Quote from: George on April 24, 2007, 09:49:43 AM
Glad it was a good night! I actually find much of Sibelius's music to be quite challenging. I agree that its complex, though with Ashkenazy I "get" it right away, at least emotionally. With Bloomstedt, I miss the emotion, with Ashy, I revel in it. Seems like this is like Medtner, in that it requires repeated listening.
I think I'm going to listen to Blomstedt back to back with Bernstein tomorrow. Should be fun! :) I want to see if I hear Blomstedt the way you do. I don't have Ashkenazy, but Bernstein=wild, passionate to my ears, so for me I think I have the right comparison to make.
Quote from: DavidW on April 25, 2007, 06:42:01 PM
Why did I say today? I listened to it this evening.
I swear each instrument plays in short, discrete intervals. It draws attention away from the melodies and puts them square on the rhythm. Especially with those wickedly sharp accents! The result is that
(a) it makes what is actually a moderate tempo sound very fast. A nice illusion of urgency.
(b) metronomic, you're just incredibly aware of the tempo throughout the whole symphony.
For me I couldn't emotionally connect to the music when played that way. It's like Morse code. It sounds dry and nervous.
And the vocalists are well... plain.
On the bright side, crystal clear recording, I could hear every instrument, I had no problem even in the most busiest sections. And it was neat for awhile to hear the interplay between the different instruments, almost chamber like dialogue. It's also nice to not have the strings threaten to drown out all other instruments.
Conclusion:
Dry and nervous sounding recording in brilliant, crystal clear sound.
What was your impression Gurn? If I'm not mistaken that's your preferred style of music making so I'm guessing big thumbs up? All I know is there were a few interesting oddities that makes me wonder if Vanska used some unusual edition of the score or made some of his own changes.
I can say that I also wasn't moved by the Vanska. M a r k had alerted me to it because he didn't get the hype about it, so I tried it and agreed with him. :(
Quote from: DavidW on April 25, 2007, 06:43:49 PM
I think I'm going to listen to Blomstedt back to back with Bernstein tomorrow. Should be fun! :) I want to see if I hear Blomstedt the way you do. I don't have Ashkenazy, but Bernstein=wild, passionate to my ears, so for me I think I have the right comparison to make.
That makes sense to me, I await your findings. :)
Quote from: Bill on April 25, 2007, 06:43:17 PM
Wow David, your "Hola" thread is almost as popular as the "Listening" one! ;D
;D I somehow haven't seen the listening thread yet. I imagine Harry keeps it healthy. :D I'll check it out and maybe cross post there. :)
Quote from: George on April 25, 2007, 06:44:53 PM
I can say that I also wasn't moved by the Vanska. M a r k had alerted me to it because he didn't get the hype about it, so I tried it and agreed with him. :(
Maybe it's for the super-intellectuals like Gurn and Larry. ;D Well they can have Vanska, and we can kick back to Karajan! :)
Quote from: DavidW on April 25, 2007, 06:47:21 PM
Maybe it's for the super-intellectuals like Gurn and Larry. ;D Well they can have Vanska, and we can kick back to Karajan! :)
;D
Quote from: DavidW on April 25, 2007, 06:47:21 PM
Maybe it's for the super-intellectuals like Gurn and Larry. ;D Well they can have Vanska, and we can kick back to Karajan! :)
Yay! ;D ;D
wuzup!
(didn't see this thread until now)