This is a very special record, isn't it?
http://www.amazon.com/Strauss-Die-Fledermaus-Johann-II/dp/B0000041TC
I'll order this one!
What do you think about the record by Carlos Kleiber, Julia Varady and Lucia Popp?
Why did the greatest singers make it together?
Can you introduce some other records with all great singers.
Actually, I'm looking for a good DVD version of Die Fledermaus... There are many out there and I simply can't choose.
And may I join the band, and also ask for a recommendation for the Fledermaus, I saw this one and a few others...
2 :)
3 :)
Have you you listen to the records with lots of stars?
Quote from: wagnernn on February 02, 2008, 12:32:03 AM
Have you you listen to the records with lots of stars?
What stars my friend? :)
Quote from: wagnernn on February 01, 2008, 10:45:50 PM
This is a very special record, isn't it?
http://www.amazon.com/Strauss-Die-Fledermaus-Johann-II/dp/B0000041TC
I'll order this one!
What do you think about the record by Carlos Kleiber, Julia Varady and Lucia Popp?
Why did the greatest singers make it together?
Can you introduce some other records with all great singers.
The big problem with this set is that it has the ghastly
falsetto Orlovsky of Ivan Rebroff. I just can't take to it. Admittedly Karajan's 1st recording has a tenor Orlovsky in Rudolf Christ, but he is so good, he almost convinces. The other singers on this recording (Schwarzkopf, Streich, Gedda, Kunz) are really special and Karajan's conducting has real fizz. I prefer it even to his second stereo version for Decca.
Quote from: Tsaraslondon on February 02, 2008, 02:13:10 AM
The big problem with this set is that it has the ghastly falsetto Orlovsky of Ivan Rebroff. I just can't take to it. Admittedly Karajan's 1st recording has a tenor Orlovsky in Rudolf Christ, but he is so good, he almost convinces. The other singers on this recording (Schwarzkopf, Streich, Gedda, Kunz) are really special and Karajan's conducting has real fizz. I prefer it even to his second stereo version for Decca.
Common, I expect more advice from you, being a expert in the field. I posted some recordings in which I have to make a choice, and I know you are on the inside of it all.
I am quite serious about it, so if you will advise me about the recordings I posted. :)
Quote from: Harry on February 02, 2008, 02:18:08 AM
Common, I expect more advice from you, being a expert in the field. I posted some recordings in which I have to make a choice, and I know you are on the inside of it all.
I am quite serious about it, so if you will advise me about the recordings I posted. :)
I am thinking of this one...
Are you asking me, Harry? I'm not sure I would be the right person to ask, as we evidently hear singers with very different ears.
Quote from: Tsaraslondon on February 02, 2008, 02:32:43 AM
Are you asking me, Harry? I'm not sure I would be the right person to ask, as we evidently hear singers with very different ears.
Well you answered me, that's a good thing!
I consider you very much in the know, concerning these old recordings, and the voices of that time, and since my knowledge about them is almost zero, I think you could give good advice, since you know the voices that I like.
Furthermore I have a tendency to like the voices of old, and you can see what I ordered so far.
Quote from: Harry on February 02, 2008, 02:36:11 AM
Well you answered me, that's a good thing!
I consider you very much in the know, concerning these old recordings, and the voices of that time, and since my knowledge about them is almost zero, I think you could give good advice, since you know the voices that I like.
Furthermore I have a tendency to like the voices of old, and you can see what I ordered so far.
Not sure really, though, what you mean by the voices of old, Harry. Callas is of the same generation and you clearly can't stand her, so I'd rather not make suggestions and leave it to someone else.
Two more, of which Fricsay is very good indeed.
Quote from: Tsaraslondon on February 02, 2008, 02:43:55 AM
Not sure really, though, what you mean by the voices of old, Harry. Callas is of the same generation and you clearly can't stand her, so I'd rather not make suggestions and leave it to someone else.
The fact that I don't like the voice of Callas is a fact, but you can see the ones I selected, and the voices on it, surely you could guide me in this?
Well maybe Knight, also a opera expert would like to offer suggestions?
The more I hear from both of these, the more I like them
Well I can only talk about the ones I have heard, which, amongst those mentioned so far, are both Karajan performances, the Kleiber and the Boskovsky. The Kleiber I discount for the reasons already mentioned. The other three are all excellent, and, if my personal preference is for Karajan I, that is because I love Schwarzkopf's Rosalinde and Gedda's Einstein (none better). Streich is also, IMO, the best Adele of the 3 (Erika Koth's voice has become a little fluttery by this time, and Renate Holm is quite simply outclassed). The Decca Karajan set is a lavish production, with the inclusion of a gala sequence, in which famous singers from the Decca stable give their party turn. It is great fun (Nilsson's Wagnerian soprano completely overpowering the simple "I could have danced all night" from My Fair Lady, Bastianini and Simionato hamming it up uproariously in "Anything you can do I can do better", from Annie Get Your Gun), that sort of thing), but is not something I would want to listen to all that often. Of course you can program it out, so it's no problem. Karajan's conducting is superb in both, and he does have the VPO on Decca, though the Philharmonia are by no means out classed, He also enjoys excellent Decca stereo sound. Boskovsky is also stereo, and is also an extremely enjoyable performance, but operates, to my mind, on a slightly lower voltage than either Karajan set.
Quote from: Tsaraslondon on February 02, 2008, 03:29:13 AM
Well I can only talk about the ones I have heard, which, amongst those mentioned so far, are both Karajan performances, the Kleiber and the Boskovsky. The Kleiber I discount for the reasons already mentioned. The other three are all excellent, and, if my general personal is for Karajan I, that is because I love Schwarzkopf's Rosalinde and Gedda's Einstein (none better). Streich is also, IMO, the best Adlele of the 3 (Erika Koth's voice has become a little fluttery by this time, and Renate Holm is quite simply outclassed). The Decca Karajan set is a lavish production, with the inclusion of a gala sequence, in which famous singers from the Decca stable give their party turn. It is great fun (Nilsson's Wagnerian soprano completely overpowering the simple "I could have danced all night" from My Fair Lady, Bastianini and Simionato hamming it up uproariously in "Anything you can do I can do better", from Annie Get Your Gun), that sort of thing), but is not something I would want to listen to all that often. Of course you can program it, so it's no problem. Karajan's conducting is superb in both, and he does have the VPO on Decca, though the Philharmonia are by no means out classed, He also enjoys excellent Decca stereo sound. Boskovsky is also stereo, and is also an extremely enjoyable performance, but operates, to my mind, on a slightly lower voltage than either Karajan set.
Thank you very much!
This is extremely helpful.
I will of course buy the Boskovsky set, and both Karajan's recording.
Have you anything to add about this recording?
Do you know the singers, and if this conductor did well?
The 1949 recording does not bother me at all.
What do you think?
Can you find any records with Anna Moffo?
Quote from: wagnernn on February 02, 2008, 04:17:53 AM
Can you find any records with Anna Moffo?
Well here is a link, you can look for yourself my friend. :)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/hitlist
Anna Moffo doesn't sing her role well.And really like Julia Varady
Quote from: Harry on February 02, 2008, 04:16:03 AM
Thank you very much!
This is extremely helpful.
I will of course buy the Boskovsky set, and both Karajan's recording.
Have you anything to add about this recording?
Do you know the singers, and if this conductor did well?
The 1949 recording does not bother me at all.
What do you think?
Sorry, Harry, I've never heard it so I can't really comment. Streich is already on Karajan I anyway, and the rest of the singers wouldn't tempt me away from Karajan's cast.
The very best conducted Fledermaus is the one with Vladimir Jurowski at Glyndebourne, with the perfect Wiener Schwung, vitality and charm:
And of course if you are broadminded and love controversy watch the one from Salzburg when the director Hans Neuenfels gives the finger to the staid Salzburgers - Marc Minkowski on the podium gives the performance his usual enthusiasm - :
In terms of performances on CD, I love this as much as any.
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5789.0;attach=6901;image)
Everyone is on top form. The conducting has fizz and energy without rushing anyone. The sound is excellent. I do not know of a better Orlovsky than Fassbaender and the ensemble lead by Fischer Dieskau where he calls on mankind in terms of brothers and sisters, is elevated almost to that wonderful final act ensemble in Mozart's Figaro.
I also get enormous pleasure from the first Karajan and Translondon has explained all about it. The version with Janowitz was a must for me, because of her. She is excellent except for the pay-off in her main aria. Generally, that set will also provide lots of pleasure.
The second Karajan has just never done it for me, it flows less well than the first and I do not like the overblown party scene.
Domingo conducted a version; but I got rid of it, not bad...but not up to the standard of the ones I kept.
Mike
Quote from: uffeviking on February 02, 2008, 07:38:59 AM
The very best conducted Fledermaus is the one with Vladimir Jurowski at Glyndebourne, with the perfect Wiener Schwung, vitality and charm:
Yes, but that's in english right?
Quote from: knight on February 02, 2008, 10:58:42 AM
In terms of performances on CD, I love this as much as any.
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5789.0;attach=6901;image)
Everyone is on top form. The conducting has fizz and energy without rushing anyone. The sound is excellent. I do not know of a better Orlovsky than Fassbaender and the ensemble lead by Fischer Dieskau where he calls on mankind in terms of brothers and sisters, is elevated almost to that wonderful final act ensemble in Mozart's Figaro.
I also get enormous pleasure from the first Karajan and Translondon has explained all about it. The version with Janowitz was a must for me, because of her. She is excellent except for the pay-off in her main aria. Generally, that set will also provide lots of pleasure.
The second Karajan has just never done it for me, it flows less well than the first and I do not like the overblown party scene.
Domingo conducted a version; but I got rid of it, not bad...but not up to the standard of the ones I kept.
Mike
Well, that seals the deal for the Boskovsky anyway, thank you Mike.
I rather enjoyed this set allready.
Have you seen the Karajan Vocal set issued by EMI Harry?
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,142.160.html
I am almost tempted as there is a deal here I don't have and a lot of fantastic recordings, the first Karajan Fledermaus is amongst them.
Mike
Quote from: knight on February 02, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
Have you seen the Karajan Vocal set issued by EMI Harry?
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,142.160.html
I am almost tempted as there is a deal here I don't have and a lot of fantastic recordings, the first Karajan Fledermaus is amongst them.
Mike
Yes I saw some mention of it, but I don't know, if I am ready for so much vocal thingies in that box.
I am just starting ya know! ;D
Please show me a record with I.Hallstein.
Quote from: Harry on February 02, 2008, 11:14:32 AM
Yes, but that's in english right?
Had to find my magnifying glass to read the small print on the cover:
Sung in German with English, Dutch and Spanish subtitles.How about that: Dutch! 8)
Quote from: wagnernn on February 02, 2008, 04:52:33 PM
Please show me a record with I.Hallstein.
Here is a listing of recordings with this singer in them.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_2?ie=UTF8&rs=301668&rh=n%3A301668%2Cp%5F32%3AIngeborg%20Hallstein&page=2
Although I have some of them, I have never noticed her as a distinctive voice and Amazon at least has no recording of her in Fledermaus.
Mike
Thank, I've just listened to some arias with Hallstein. I should enjoy this records very much
Quote from: uffeviking on February 02, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
Had to find my magnifying glass to read the small print on the cover:
Sung in German with English, Dutch and Spanish subtitles.
How about that: Dutch! 8)
Well I understand German as perfectly as my own language, but I will certaiinly take your advised redording in consideration.
Thanks.
Everybody, I also need many history records of this opera.Erna Berger should be very suitable.
Quote from: wagnernn on February 04, 2008, 01:42:01 AM
Everybody, I also need many history records of this opera.Erna Berger should be very suitable.
Erna Berger is indeed a fine vocalist. I like her very much....
uffeviking,
YOU are apparently talking about DVDs. While the other lame-brained neanderthals on this forum that have responded to you are talking about cds.
You haven't chosen the company you keep, very well.
Not much of a choice, Iago! My only hope is to guide the Neanderthals to the discovery of a medium we, the cognoscentes, have enjoyed for the past ten years at least. ;)
What are these new-fangled "DVDs" you speak of? So much new technology to keep up with. On the bright side, I've finally figured out how to set the time on my Betamax! Learning to program it should only take another year or three.
Of course, the OP did ask about recordings, but I guess Iago can't be bothered to read all two pages of this thread. ::) DVDs are wonderful, but many great performances are sound-only recordings, and I'm not prepared to exclude those from consideration. In any case, it's really not an either/or proposition.
Wendell, what's a Betamax? ???
:-*
Quote from: uffeviking on February 26, 2008, 01:46:59 AM
Wendell, what's a Betamax? ???
:-*
Cutting-edge technology. It's gonna be huge. Remember, you read it here first!
Is there a recommended DVD which does not entail giving Salzburgers the finger? TIA
Quote from: karlhenning on August 06, 2014, 09:43:45 AM
Is there a recommended DVD which does not entail giving Salzburgers the finger? TIA
You could go old school. Singers are great. And the band can play a proper waltz! :)
https://www.youtube.com/v/KY2Mw0LMz-E
Quote from: mc ukrneal on August 07, 2014, 10:03:24 AM
You could go old school. Singers are great. And the band can play a proper waltz! :)
https://www.youtube.com/v/KY2Mw0LMz-E
Thank you!
Quote from: karlhenning on August 07, 2014, 10:07:19 AM
Thank you!
Not a bad one either: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nPcCCTN5L._SY300_.jpg
After all, it's Carlos Kleiber conducting!
Thanks, Lis!
Quote from: lisbeth on August 07, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Not a bad one either: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nPcCCTN5L._SY300_.jpg
After all, it's Carlos Kleiber conducting!
That's a good one too. I'll bet there are a good half dozen good ones of this operetta. Lots of choice and generally hard to ruin.
I'm thinking ahead (for a change); the girls will be in the mood to watch it come New Year's Eve.
This one is good too...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LvU%2BNUavL.jpg)