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Title: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: Tapio Dmitriyevich on May 06, 2008, 06:47:23 AM
Oh yes!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/v/UwljE3HsfSM
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on youtube :-)
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 06, 2008, 06:52:26 AM
Thanks for this!  ;D

Every time I have attended a concert with Mahler's Sixth most people in the audience were amused by the hammer. The hammer is to Mahler what Fafner the dragon is to Wagner - a bit of an embarrassment, better heard than seen.
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: Monsieur Croche on May 08, 2008, 08:19:29 AM
Oh yeah, catchy isn't it?

The first time I see Mahler 6th live I was immediately hooked on this scene... Even after the performance ends, the vision of a hammer being brought down kept playing in my head over and over again... Suffice to say that after this particularly amazing display of virtuosity I had - suddenly and inexplicably - lost the ability to make out much of the details in the symphony, and this, I suspect, is not due to poor playing from the orchestra...
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on youtube :-)
Post by: MDL on May 09, 2008, 04:21:47 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on May 06, 2008, 06:52:26 AM
Thanks for this!  ;D

Every time I have attended a concert with Mahler's Sixth most people in the audience were amused by the hammer. The hammer is to Mahler what Fafner the dragon is to Wagner - a bit of an embarrassment, better heard than seen.

How true! It does break the spell somewhat to see your neighbours sniggering and pointing as the poor percussionist waddles around with his hefty mallet waving in the air. I've seen one performance at a Prom where the hammer was replaced by the slamming of a door on a large wooden chest. It sounded OK but still looked a bit silly.
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2008, 06:00:14 AM
Maybe I've just been lucky. No sniggers from the audiences in Cleveland (Szell, Abbado) or Germany (Segerstam conducting the Rheinland-Pfalz). I personally found the hammerblows to be, if not always musically, at least dramatically and theatrically effective--especially so under Segerstam, who reinstated the third hammerblow. It was quite a thrill to see that huge hammer raised a third time.

Sarge
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 09, 2008, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2008, 06:00:14 AM
Maybe I've just been lucky. No sniggers from the audiences in Cleveland (Szell, Abbado) or Germany (Segerstam conducting the Rheinland-Pfalz). I personally found the hammerblows to be, if not always musically, at least dramatically and theatrically effective--especially so under Segerstam, who reinstated the third hammerblow. It was quite a thrill to see that huge hammer raised a third time.

Yes, you have been lucky, Sarge. As much as I love (and tremble at, when realized well) the effect of the hammer as a sound, seeing the thing was too much for the audiences I was in and made even me think of DIY more than cosmic tragedy...
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: MDL on May 09, 2008, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2008, 06:00:14 AM
Maybe I've just been lucky. No sniggers from the audiences in Cleveland (Szell, Abbado) or Germany (Segerstam conducting the Rheinland-Pfalz). I personally found the hammerblows to be, if not always musically, at least dramatically and theatrically effective--especially so under Segerstam, who reinstated the third hammerblow. It was quite a thrill to see that huge hammer raised a third time.

Sarge

You have been lucky. I've only seen Mahler 6 in London (Proms, Festival Hall, Barbican Centre). The worst pointers/sniggerers were either blonde female tourists or the kind of Chelsea-Kensington tossers who assumed that the off-stage cowbells were the result of some catastrophe with the caterers.
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: J.Z. Herrenberg on May 09, 2008, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: MDL on May 09, 2008, 03:13:29 PM
You have been lucky. I've only seen Mahler 6 in London (Proms, Festival Hall, Barbican Centre). The worst pointers/sniggerers were either blonde female tourists or the kind of Chelsea-Kensington tossers who assumed that the off-stage cowbells were the result of some catastrophe with the caterers.

So both London and Amsterdam (where I was) aren't exactly hammer-friendly...  ;D
Title: Re: Mahler 6 hammer on Youtube :-)
Post by: Tapio Dmitriyevich on May 09, 2008, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2008, 06:00:14 AMI personally found the hammerblows to be, if not always musically, at least dramatically and theatrically effective--especially so under Segerstam, who reinstated the third hammerblow. It was quite a thrill to see that huge hammer raised a third time.

Haven't heard M6 live, but at least I can say for someone not knowing M6, the 3rd hammer raises the symphonies ends surprise to a kind of "death by heart attack" level. At my very first listen, I didn't feel like sniggering as I was almost dead. My favorite M6 is the Chailly/Concertgebouw one, it has the 3rd hammer and I love it.