Hi everybody! I've noticed a lack of discussion about electroacoustic music here on GMG. Since I'm only begining to discover this kind of music I would like some advices about major composers and works. I must say thanks to loudav and Avantgarde torrent project for their work, lots of really nice stuff there!
Thanks!
Quote from: James on May 12, 2008, 09:33:48 AM
2 major favorites off the top of my head are Stockhausen's Kontakte & Boulez's Repons
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414QZZR6HSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg) (http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ca/00/e77a810ae7a016f9ff149110._AA240_.L.jpg)
Maybe in my next lifetime. ;)
Quote from: James on May 12, 2008, 09:33:48 AM
2 major favorites off the top of my head are Stockhausen's Kontakte & Boulez's Repons
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414QZZR6HSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg) (http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ca/00/e77a810ae7a016f9ff149110._AA240_.L.jpg)
A big "yes" to both of these from me, too, especially the Boulez, which IMHO is one of his best works. Some other faves:
Jonathan Harvey:
Tombeau de Messiaen, for piano and tape
Roberto Gerhard: Symphony No. 3,
"Collages," for orchestra and tape
Paul Lansky:
Idle Chatter, Smalltalk (both all-electronic; see Lansky's discography
here (http://silvertone.princeton.edu/~paul/disc.html))
And a great one I just heard about a month ago,
Polytopia, works for violin and electronics by Mari Kimura (on Bridge, see cover below).
--Bruce
I'm never sure why people ask for listening advice. "Just explore" would be my first response, followed quickly by "why 'major composers and works'?"
Then, deftly dismounting from my hobby horse, I'd recommend you look for labels. A lot of the old school stuff is on Neuma. They even have a numbered series "Electroacoustic Music I, II, III, IV," and so forth. Wergo has put out a lot of stuff, as has col legno, Cybele, Mode, and Lovely Music. Centaur has a huge selection, mainly American. Metamkine has a huge selection, mainly French. emprientes DIGITALes has a huge selection, largely Canadian. All three are international, though. And speaking of international, the Bourges Festival, now in its 38th year, puts out CDs every year, of the festival and other things. Best way to get these now is directly on their site at imeb.net.
And speaking of sites, the Canadians have a sweet site of electroacoustic concerts for your listening and downloading pleasure. These are mostly the emprientes DIGITALes folks. Perhaps solely. That's at http://iconcerts.rien.qc.ca/ (http://iconcerts.rien.qc.ca/).
There are tons of smaller labels that do electroacoustic and live electronics stuff. Ground Fault is one of the bigger of those, but you should have enough now to keep you happy for years. Sonic Circuits is another festival that's documented on CDs. There are maybe eleven or twelve now, I've lost track.
Excellent suggestions, especially to look for those labels like Wergo and Neuma.
I also forgot about UbuWeb (http://www.ubu.com/), which has tons of stuff from the 1960s and 1970s in MP3 form (all free).
--Bruce
Quote from: James on May 12, 2008, 09:51:08 AM
Bah.. you only live once Boris, "GO FOR IT". You know you want to. >:D
Maybe, if I find a very good price on that Boulez. ;)
Thanks for all sugestions! I've been looking for that Boulez's piece for some time, actually.
Quote from: some guy on May 12, 2008, 10:14:49 AM
I'm never sure why people ask for listening advice. "Just explore" would be my first response, followed quickly by "why 'major composers and works'?"
Believe it or not, but it's my first time asking for advice about music repertoire. The problem is that electroacoustic music is so less known than other "classical" music (at least in god forsaken place i'm living in) that I have trouble exploring in shops. I know some less known artist (mostly local) and not much major ones and that's why I started this topic.
Cheers!
W
Boulez's Répons is like nothing on earth...
Quote from: Lethe on May 12, 2008, 11:15:06 AM
Boulez's Répons is like nothing on earth...
It's just beautiful, isn't it! 8)
--Bruce
Have we defined "electroacoustic music" with any precision? Because there are some pieces, such as Messiaen's Turangalîla Symphony and Varèse's Ecuatorial, that use only one or two electronic instruments in a mostly acoustic format; others, such as Varèse's Déserts, go back and forth between acoustic and electronic/tape sections; yet others, such as Stockhausen's Gesang der Jugend, use a mix of prerecorded acoustic sounds and pure electronics; and there are probably many other formats that I haven't come across. Once at a new-music concert at the University of Colorado at Boulder, I heard a trombonist play a piece for trombone synthesizer; the synthesizer was set into the trombone's bell, and the resulting sounds were nothing like a "standard" trombone. :D
my favorites are on this Xenakis disc:
http://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Music-Iannis-Xenakis/dp/B00005Y7YP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1210626051&sr=1-1
Hibiki Hana Ma, Orient-Occident, and Diamorphoses. To me, hardly any electroacoustic music comes close to this stuff.
Quote from: bhodges on May 12, 2008, 10:20:15 AM
I also forgot about UbuWeb (http://www.ubu.com/), which has tons of stuff from the 1960s and 1970s in MP3 form (all free).
See? They have to give it away.
Quote from: MN Dave on May 12, 2008, 01:04:45 PM
See? They have to give it away.
Is that supposed to be Rod Steiger?
Quote from: BorisG on May 12, 2008, 01:40:05 PM
Is that supposed to be Rod Steiger?
It is Bach's head. See the Avatar thread.
Some very fine suggestions already made, but here's one of my favorite, Desert Island discs: Arthur Krieger's pieces for various instrumental combos and electronic sounds. EXCELLENT work.
http://www.albanyrecords.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AR&Product_Code=TROY609&Category_Code=VCN&Search=meeting+places&Offset=&filter_cat=&exclude_word=&the_fieldlist=g.SRCH_CODE%7Cg.SRCH_NAME%7Cg.SRCH_PRICE%7Cg.SRCH_COMPOSER%7Cg.SRCH_CONTENTS&range_low=&range_high=&dopowersearch=1&SRCH_CATEGORY_HF=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only= (http://www.albanyrecords.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AR&Product_Code=TROY609&Category_Code=VCN&Search=meeting+places&Offset=&filter_cat=&exclude_word=&the_fieldlist=g.SRCH_CODE%7Cg.SRCH_NAME%7Cg.SRCH_PRICE%7Cg.SRCH_COMPOSER%7Cg.SRCH_CONTENTS&range_low=&range_high=&dopowersearch=1&SRCH_CATEGORY_HF=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=)
Nice that you mentioned Kreiger--might be the first time anyone here has! I've heard some of the things on that CD live, by the New York New Music Ensemble, and enjoyed them a lot. He has a real love of, and affinity for, electronic sounds and their beauty.
But I haven't heard this disc, so thanks for mentioning it!
--Bruce
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 12, 2008, 01:02:41 PM
my favorites are on this Xenakis disc:
http://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Music-Iannis-Xenakis/dp/B00005Y7YP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1210626051&sr=1-1
Hibiki Hana Ma, Orient-Occident, and Diamorphoses. To me, hardly any electroacoustic music comes close to this stuff.
;D
I love Xenakis electroacoustic music. To these pieces I owe my interest for this kind of music.
Pour la Paix and
Voyage Absolu des Unari vers Andromede are fantastic too.
Jonty Harrison has done some first rate very artistic stuff if sometimes using traditional structuring; also more long winded efforts by Francois Bayle and, interesting pieces by Westergaard, Smalley and others and Maderna and Schaffer from decades back.
Nono's A Floresta è jovem e cheja de vida, for tape, soprano, clarinet and metal plates, is a beautiful and devastating comment on the Vietnam War. Unfortunately, the DG recording has never been issued on CD. The Mode recording just doesn't have quite the impact, although it's still worth hearing. His Un Volto del Mare is an intense, lyrical blending of electronic sounds and female vocals, which, again, has not emerged on CD as far as I know.
Stockhausen's Hymnen, a montage of anthems and other "found" sounds, is impressive if you've got two hours to spare.
Quote from: Walt on May 13, 2008, 03:07:16 AM
;D
I love Xenakis electroacoustic music. To these pieces I owe my interest for this kind of music. Pour la Paix and Voyage Absolu des Unari vers Andromede are fantastic too.
you know, i haven't listened to those two in forever!
i've probably lost the CD, that's why...... :-\
oh yeah, don't forget La Legende d'Eer! Now that is an electroacoustic masterwork! 8)
James,
We all learn to swim in our own way.
I thought that giving a list of (fairly) safe labels would give Walt something smaller than the whole ocean, though the whole ocean is pretty fun, come to think of it.
Anyway, to recommend specific people from the vast wealth on these discs (hmmm--it's not an ocean, it's a treasure chest) would tell everyone what I like. But not everyone likes the same things. Plus, if I left anyone off, I'd feel bad, and if I mentioned everyone good, all of you would simply skip my (unbelievably long) list.
So let's just leave out the middle man, shall we, and start out by skipping the list.
Michael
Forget the ocean, it is electroacoustic baby steps for me. :-*
Electroacoustic music is 61 already. Edgard Varèse's Poème électronique is fifty this year.
Cage's Cartridge Music, which is an early if not the first example of what I like to call Tafelmusik, is 48.
And while Varèse and Cage are dead, along with Stockhausen and Luc Ferrari and Pierre Schaeffer, co-creator of the technique, many of the first generation are still alive and so still able to enjoy our enjoyment of their music. Pierre Henry, Schaeffer's co-creator, and Francis Dhomont, who experimented independently of those two around the same time--1946, 1947--are both alive and active. Beatriz Ferreyra, Denis Smalley, and Lars-Gunnar Bodin have all done and are doing really interesting work (very different from each other, too). Eliane Radigue and Michel Chion and Michèle Bokanowski and Christine Groult are all very active people in the 60 to 80 age range. They all live within a few streets of each other in Paris, too, so if you planned it just right, you could talk to all four in one day!
Jérôme Noetinger and Lionel Marchetti have often played live electronics together. If you ever have a chance to see them live (I'm not sure they play concerts together any more), do not miss them. They are fantastique. As are Christian Marclay and Zbigniew Karkowski and Francisco López. The latter two do both live and composed music. I think Christian only does live shows. He's the first (pretty sure) turntablist (from before that word was coined), and not only plays turntables as instruments but LPs as well, just the LPs, without any machines. I've seen a Marclay set, from back when he was first starting out. He was phenomenal. Is phenomenal.
But you were wanting more traditional electroacoustic, I'm guessing. So back to that, with Jon Christopher Nelson and Natasha Barrett and Elainie Lillios and Jonty Harrison and Trevor Wishart and Iancu Dumitrescu and Ana-Maria Avram and Gilles Gobeil and Ludger Bruemmer and Gerald Eckert and Dirk Reith and Anna Clyne being a few, a very very very few of my personal favorites.
Thanks for each contribution! I really didn't meant this to be a discussion of type The very best of ... (well, some of that too) but more open conversation about music I feel is neglected here on GMG. I think of this community also as a knowledge base so I believe that everyones post is important. I already know some of the mentioned pieces and I also have much to discover.
W
The piece I've been listening to a lot lately should be mentioned in this thread: Dark Waves by John Luther Adams, for orchestra and electronic sounds, which can be heard here (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/12/080512fa_fact_ross?currentPage=all) (scroll down). Adams later did a version for two pianos, also with electronics.
--Bruce
Quote from: some guy on May 13, 2008, 01:46:30 PM
James,
We all learn to swim in our own way.
I thought that giving a list of (fairly) safe labels would give Walt something smaller than the whole ocean, though the whole ocean is pretty fun, come to think of it.
Anyway, to recommend specific people from the vast wealth on these discs (hmmm--it's not an ocean, it's a treasure chest) would tell everyone what I like. But not everyone likes the same things. Plus, if I left anyone off, I'd feel bad, and if I mentioned everyone good, all of you would simply skip my (unbelievably long) list.
So let's just leave out the middle man, shall we, and start out by skipping the list.
Michael
I understand,
Michael, but for someone like me, who is unfamiliar with the genre and operates on a rather limited budget, the idea of making random purchases in the hope of striking gold is not at all an appealing one. Can you recommend a few discs that would serve as a good introduction to the beginner?
I am quite impressed by John Adams'
On the Transmigration of Souls, which is about my sole encounter with electronic music.
Monsieur Croche, I understand the need to budget, though when I was exploring electroacoustic music back in the seventies, I simply bought any album that said "electronic" on it. That was back when American companies called everything "electronic."
But that's as may be. I was hooked in 1972 by the whole century's worth of music and just fed voraciously. Meant I got a lot of stuff I didn't like, but "Oh, well." I was hooked, so a few rotten eggs didn't particularly spoil anything for me. Not everyone's hooked. So for you, the best thing is probably the Canadian iconcerts website. (http://iconcerts.rien.qc.ca/) Here you can hear a lot of music for free, and make your own decisions about what you like.
Otherwise, a lot of people I know (including myself) started with Varèse's Poème électronique. And the two CD Chailly set on London has most of his music, including the Poème. If you like Adams, though, I'm the wrong person to recommend anything for you as I don't care for Adams. At a guess, I'd say you might like David Borden's synthesizer ensemble works (Mother Mallard) or Subotnick's various Buchla things. But that's only a guess. And none of that is as rich or various as what you'll find on the rien site.
Quote from: some guy on May 17, 2008, 04:10:32 AM
...Otherwise, a lot of people I know (including myself) started with Varèse's Poème électronique....
Yep, that was the piece that my high school band director introduced to me, thereby corrupting me for life... ;D
Quote from: bhodges on May 14, 2008, 01:36:43 PM
The piece I've been listening to a lot lately should be mentioned in this thread: Dark Waves by John Luther Adams, for orchestra and electronic sounds, which can be heard here (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/12/080512fa_fact_ross?currentPage=all) (scroll down). Adams later did a version for two pianos, also with electronics.
--Bruce
Thanks for that Bruce! A fascinating piece - I'm listening to it now. Sounds sort of like a mix between Feldman and Ligeti's Atmosphères or Lontano.
Quote from: some guy on May 17, 2008, 04:10:32 AM
Monsieur Croche, I understand the need to budget, though when I was exploring electroacoustic music back in the seventies, I simply bought any album that said "electronic" on it. That was back when American companies called everything "electronic."
But that's as may be. I was hooked in 1972 by the whole century's worth of music and just fed voraciously. Meant I got a lot of stuff I didn't like, but "Oh, well." I was hooked, so a few rotten eggs didn't particularly spoil anything for me. Not everyone's hooked. So for you, the best thing is probably the Canadian iconcerts website. (http://iconcerts.rien.qc.ca/) Here you can hear a lot of music for free, and make your own decisions about what you like.
Otherwise, a lot of people I know (including myself) started with Varèse's Poème électronique. And the two CD Chailly set on London has most of his music, including the Poème. If you like Adams, though, I'm the wrong person to recommend anything for you as I don't care for Adams. At a guess, I'd say you might like David Borden's synthesizer ensemble works (Mother Mallard) or Subotnick's various Buchla things. But that's only a guess. And none of that is as rich or various as what you'll find on the rien site.
Thank you,
some guy, for the recommendations. I will check out the Varese disc you mentioned also. I don't like Adams all that much, for the record, but there are exceptions every now and then.
I have also been to the site and it looks excellent. However, I encountered a rather disturbing observation on my last visit there. When I clicked on one of the concerts, there was a message telling me that "the file is corrupt". Needless to say, I was highly intrigued by how censors have managed to incorporate this kind of content advisory into media content on the Net (Ah! The good old days of being young!), but this is a matter for another day; music must take precedence. Fearlessly I pressed on, clicking "OK", for I have seen much terrible things during the years that I walk the Earth. And then... nothing! Not even the tiniest sound is heard! If this were some experimental composer's concept art then I must say that I don't find it very amusing...
Can anyone tell me what happened? Could there be something sinister at play here?
What do you think,
jochanaan?
Monsieur, not to trample all over your pun or anything, but I tried a half a dozen files from several concerts, and they all played fine.
The whole world is corrupt, but the files I tried were all pure.
Here's a fairly new work (http://www.12k.com/term/term17.htm) you can hear online from Californian sound artist Steve Roden. I've heard quite a bit from him.
Mostly field recording sounds, very little to do with 'electronic' sounds...though he does use them.
Quote from: some guy on May 18, 2008, 11:44:05 PM
Monsieur, not to trample all over your pun or anything, but I tried a half a dozen files from several concerts, and they all played fine.
The whole world is corrupt, but the files I tried were all pure.
It seems the problem was with my browser,
some guy. As a matter of fact at that time I couldn't play any media file from the Net (tried streaming some clips from Naxos... was told that "the source filter for the file could not be loaded"). But everything works fine now.
Quote from: 12tone. on May 19, 2008, 03:17:05 PM
Here's a fairly new work (http://www.12k.com/term/term17.htm) you can hear online from Californian sound artist Steve Roden. I've heard quite a bit from him.
Mostly field recording sounds, very little to do with 'electronic' sounds...though he does use them.
Thank you! I'm listening to it right now!
Let us know what you think of Roden's work! :)
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on May 18, 2008, 07:00:46 PM
...Can anyone tell me what happened? Could there be something sinister at play here?
What do you think, jochanaan?
Varèse is "old news" by now; I'd think the Powers That Be would prefer to silence someone living... ;D
Quote from: 12tone. on May 19, 2008, 05:07:38 PM
Let us know what you think of Roden's work! :)
Steve Roden's
Amnesia is unlike everything I have ever heard before, so I have nothing to compare it to. Is this what is normally meant when the term "aural landscape" is used? It's a fascinating piece: I like the "unpitched" "percussive" passage at the start, which has a certain rhythmic complexity to it... When the "pitched" field sound is introduced and looped over again and again in a minimalistic way, I rather fancy that the composer would combine some of these sounds to give the passage a little "activity" (Only happens towards the end), but I suppose that is not what he intends to do. The overall effect is hypnotic and underwhelming. I can actually imagine listening to this piece to unwind... Am I crazy,
12tone?
Quote from: jochanaan on May 20, 2008, 07:44:55 AM
Varèse is "old news" by now; I'd think the Powers That Be would prefer to silence someone living... ;D
You make sense,
jochanaan, but still I see no harm in being extra cautious... It has kept me alive all these years...
Quote from: some guy on May 14, 2008, 09:00:54 AM
Electroacoustic music is 61 already. Edgard Varèse's Poème électronique is fifty this year.
Far older actually. I like to trace it at least back to
Walter Ruttman's experimental film
ohne bilder "Weekend" from 1930! A collage of sounds, no less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgTYJZeyozA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgTYJZeyozA)
Given the later distinction and at times rival sentiment between the Cologne (the pure electronic, synthetic music of
Herbert Eimert et al) and Paris (the musique concrete phonograph and later tape experiments of field recordings etc of the Pierres
Schaeffer and
Henry et al) schools of electroacoustic music, I find it delightfully ironic that the first example of musique concrete was in fact created in Germany, not in France.
(as a sidenote, musique concrete was also "invented" independently in Sweden by
Rune Lindblad in the 50's)
ah,...please don't confuse the snyprrr with 2 E/A Threads ;D...
Eugene, I'm good with starting with the Ruttman.
And 1930 was apparently the first turntable concert, too, put on by Hindemith and Krenek, I think. People have speculated that the 19 year old Cage might have attended that concert.
And Milan Knizak predates Marclay by about nine years.
Daniel Osorio ~ Zikkus-F for flute and electronics (2008)
https://www.youtube.com/v/iMSqJ32NKCI
Rodolfo Acosta Restrepo ~ Todas las Noches, el Cielo Arde sobre Bogotá (2004)
https://www.youtube.com/v/Gwgl-2Nj8cQ
Åke Parmerud ~ Repulse
https://www.youtube.com/v/-ZcnuRA-lt8
From Wiki:
Åke Parmerud (born 24 July 1953) is a Swedish composer, musician, and multimedia artist noted for his acoustic and electronic works, which have been performed mostly in Europe, Mexico, and Canada. He is also noted for the design of stage and acoustics as well as interactive media and software.
Although he has written instrumental and multimedia music, he is most noted for his electro-acoustic music, which often combines tapes with instruments or voices. This characteristically results in processes of interaction and transformation between the different sound sources, as well as within one voice, instrument, or chord. Examples include Remain, for orchestra and tape, Alias (based on vocal sounds and quotations from John Dowland and Carlo Gesualdo), and Retur, for saxophone quartet and tape (Peterson 2001).
One of his works, called Grains of Voices, is based on recordings made in various parts of the world, examining the human voice in various states. The texts of its various sections are based on the Biblical Creation story, nursery rhymes, prayers, and poems. This includes indigenous chants, opera, protests, improvisation, prayer and recordings from television, radio and other media, as well as poetry from Hemingway, Hesse, and Joyce. It focuses on language, the role of voice, and how it relates to music. The piece was first performed live at the United Nations headquarters due to its international nature.
Philippe Manoury- Partita I for viola and live electronics
https://www.youtube.com/v/wcqOhJTgCV0
Manoury was born in Tulle (1952) and began composition studies at the Ecole Normale de Musique de Paris with Gérard Condé and Max Deutsch. He continued his studies from 1974 to 1978 at the Conservatoire de Paris with Michel Philippot, Ivo Malec, and Claude Ballif. In 1975, he undertook studies in computer assisted composition with Pierre Barbaud, and joined IRCAM as a composer and electronic music researcher in 1980. From 2004 until 2012, Manoury served on the composition faculty at the University of California, San Diego, where he taught composition, electronic music, and analysis in the graduate program. After retiring from teaching at UCSD, he currently lives in Strasbourg, France.
Francois-Bernard Mache
L'Estuaire du temps (1993)
https://www.youtube.com/v/WJ7IXBmP51w
Nocturne for Piano and Tape (1981)
https://www.youtube.com/v/cnJFbrU-_xY
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/others/8.557988.gif)
empreintes DIGITALes — the finest in electroacoustic music (http://www.empreintesdigitales.com/doc.e/)
Founded in 1990, empreintes DIGITALes is now considered the reference label in electroacoustics, acousmatics and musique concrète. This web site, in conjunction with our main distributor's — electrocd.com (http://www.electrocd.com/en/) — allows you to discover many facets of our collection and order our discs online.
I am listening to some music by Philippe Minyana (http://www.electrocd.com/en/cat/imed_9632/) right now.
8 concerts are planned for the 10th Présences "électronique" festival at the Centquatre in Paris (France) with works by Maja Ratkje, Francis Dhomont (Drôles d'oiseaux), Christine Groult, Beatriz Ferreyra, Pôm Bouvier B, Bernard Parmegiani, Lionel Marchetti and many more.
PRÉSENCES ÉLECTRONIQUE 28+29+30 MARS 2014 (http://www.inagrm.com/presences-electronique-282930-mars-2014)
Vendredi 28
19h (Salle 400)
Maja S. K. RATKJE
21h (Nef Curial)
Francis DHOMONT
MIMETIC
Nicola RATTI
Mark FELL
Samedi 29
16h (Salle 400)
Christine GROULT + Beatriz FERREYRA
18h (Salle 400)
Pôm BOUVIER B. avec Floy KROUCHI
Bertrand GAUGUET
20h (Nef Curial)
Bernard PARMEGIANI
MATMOS
Christian FENNESZ
Dimanche 30
16h (Salle 400)
OttoannA
Dick RAAIJMAKERS
18h (Salle 400)
Asmus TIETCHENS
20h (Nef Curial)
Jean SCHWARZ
Xavier GARCIA + Lionel MARCHETTI
NURSE WITH WOUND
Tous les concerts sont gratuits. Les billets sont à retirer sur place une heure avant chaque concert.
All concerts are free. Tickets are available on location one hour before each concert.
Charles Curtis -
Ultra White Violet Lighthttp://www.squealermusic.com/catalog/curtis.html (http://www.squealermusic.com/catalog/curtis.html)
QuoteThe four sides of this double 12" (or the four tracks on the double CD) can be freely combined with one another on multiple stereo sets. Any combination of two, three or all four sides at once can be heard. Each side by itself is also a complete composition.
Side A: Cellos, sine tones, sustained electric guitars
Side B: Electric guitar and bass, drumkit, sine tones, speech
Side C: Sine tones, sustained electric guitars
Side D: Cellos, sine tones, sustained electric guitars, speech
Side A~D
https://www.youtube.com/v/XF3JblV33g4 https://www.youtube.com/v/yfwmsgXA5Bg https://www.youtube.com/v/xBdDkBaI8Pg https://www.youtube.com/v/G2V2TePIYC4
You can play multiple youtube clips simultaneously. If you don't like the drumkit beat, avoid Side B, then it becomes ambient drones. (Side B is nice, actually.)
Charles Curtis is a cellist and composer, studied with Pandit Pran Nath and La Monte Young.
Quote from: sanantonio on March 18, 2014, 05:14:44 AMthe 10th Présences "électronique" festival at the Centquatre in Paris
I went to this. It was splendid.
I'll post a link to the report as soon as I post it. (I've not done the one for 2013, yet, either, but the vicissitudes of my personal life aren't interesting even to me.)
Quote from: sanantonio on March 18, 2014, 05:14:44 AM
the 10th Présences "électronique" festival at the Centquatre in Paris
Quote from: some guy on July 30, 2014, 12:20:05 AM
I went to this. It was splendid.
I'll post a link to the report as soon as I post it. (I've not done the one for 2013, yet, either, but the vicissitudes of my personal life aren't interesting even to me.)
Your post to another thread (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,23800.msg852162.html#msg852162) reminded me of this concert mentioned here. Most names are new to me. Could you post the link to your report? I heard some video clips from the concert on youtube, which are very good.
I have to make the report, first.
And it will be preceded by reports on another festival which precedes it in the queue.
And my life has gotten even more complicated since I last posted, so it may be awhile.
I'll let you know, though. I won't forget.
Thanks, I am very interested.
I knew only two names: Fennesz (I like In Four Parts so much) and Parmegiani (I have the 12-disc album but have not heard all of them yet.)
A few performances of the concert I heard on youtube are mostly soothing and calming. I am starting to like sine tones.
R. Luke DuBois (http://lukedubois.com/) is a very interesting multimedia artist. When I first saw his Fashionably Late For The Relationship in an art museum, I was totally captivated. He manipulates musical performances or existing tunes to create quite amazing soundscape.
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http://cantaloupemusic.com/albums/timelapse (http://cantaloupemusic.com/albums/timelapse)
"R. Luke DuBois' Billboard is a composite of all the Billboard #1 Hits from 1958-2000.
DuBois analyzed all 857 songs digitally, and created a "spectral average" a sonic summation of all frequencies in the song for each one. He then allocated each song 1 second for each week it was #1 on the charts. The resultant 37-minute-long piece contains beautiful washes of sound, serving as a unique chronicle of the history of US pop charts and the songs' continually-changing longevity, tonality, and production.
DuBois applies this theory to two other classics - Books I and II of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier (Clavier) and the entire soundtrack of Casablanca (Time Goes By)."
"(Pop) Icon: Britney" (2010) uses similar technique.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6QbN8bn3Vno
"[...] Britney is the first pop star to exist entirely in the age of AutoTune and Photoshop. All of her vocals are digitally corrected and she lip-syncs her live performances; as a result, there is precious little phonographic record of Britney actually singing, merely the digitized re-synthesis of her voice, perfectly in tune. [...] (Pop) Icon: Britney takes all of the extant Britney Spears videos and singles and subjects them to a computational process that locks her eyes in place, allowing the video frame to pan around Britney in the frame, keeping her in a fixed position akin to an Orthodox icon."
Andrew Bentley, professor of music technology at Sibelius Academy in Helsinki, picks for three significant pieces of electroacoustic music. Translated from here (http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2015/06/03/elektroakustinen-musiikki-tyhmyreille-venytetysta-lakasta-aaniekologiaan) by me.
Luigi Ceccarelli - Birds
"The work has become a classic of modern clarinet music. This recording was made in Sibelius Academy's Camerata hall in the new Music Centre from PhD student Angel Molinos's concert. Electroacoustic music is regularly heard in Sibelius Academy's concerts, e.g. in the Acousmatica concert series."
The work is written for bass clarinet, bass clarinet samples and recorded birdsong.
https://www.youtube.com/v/tR5Kyazxn8I
Next Bentley mentions Horacio Vaggione's, an Argentinian composer and professor living in France, piece MYR-S, in which Vaggione employs granular synthesis. In granular synthesis, the sound is sliced into ~5-100 ms bits that can be played in any order. The solo cello part is shown in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/v/G7Bol-t6SqQ
Third, Bentley names Erkki Kurenniemi's Saharan uni I (Sahara's Dream I). Kurenniemi is one of the most important pioneers of Finnish electroacoustic music.
'He is especially known as a designer of electronic instruments. He was one of the founding members of Finland's first studio of electronic music in the University of Helsinki. His DIMI-O instrument was one of the means to realizing Sahara's Dream I (1967). Audible in the work are also various tape effects.
https://www.youtube.com/v/vaTayHygiJA
Streaming electroacoustic music (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/streaming-electroacoustic-music/)
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Can be as cheap as $5/month if you purchase a full year's subscription.
I've been searching for Bayle's Jeîta and found it included in this 15-disc set. (very cheap download at Google Play or Amazon.)
François Bayle: 50 ans d'acousmatique (INA/GRM)
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track information: http://www.discogs.com/Fran%C3%A7ois-Bayle-50-Ans-DAcousmatique/release/4044664 (http://www.discogs.com/Fran%C3%A7ois-Bayle-50-Ans-DAcousmatique/release/4044664)
https://www.youtube.com/v/2w9_t-kbvkI
François Bayle (b 1932) studied with Messiaen, Schaeffer and Stockhausen in 1950s. He became in charge of Groupe de Recherches Musicales (GRM) after Schaeffer. Acousmatic is a term proposed by Schaeffer, "referring to a sound that one hears without seeing the causes behind it."
Quote from: torut on September 29, 2015, 06:30:46 PM
I've been searching for Bayle's Jeîta and found it included in this 15-disc set. (very cheap download at Google Play or Amazon.)
François Bayle: 50 ans d'acousmatique (INA/GRM)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ec2D2SRlL._SS280.jpg)
track information: http://www.discogs.com/Fran%C3%A7ois-Bayle-50-Ans-DAcousmatique/release/4044664 (http://www.discogs.com/Fran%C3%A7ois-Bayle-50-Ans-DAcousmatique/release/4044664)
https://www.youtube.com/v/2w9_t-kbvkI
François Bayle (b 1932) studied with Messiaen, Schaeffer and Stockhausen in 1950s. He became in charge of Groupe de Recherches Musicales (GRM) after Schaeffer. Acousmatic is a term proposed by Schaeffer, "referring to a sound that one hears without seeing the causes behind it."
The entire set is also on Spotify. Very important music.
Musik Deutschland - Musik Für Tonband 1950-2000 (RCA Red Seal)
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Josef Anton Riedl: Musique Concrète - Studie II Und I (1951)
Boris Blacher: Skalen 2:3:4 (1964)
Hans Ulrich Humpert: Studie (1965)
Siegfried Matthus: Galilei (1966)
Klarenz Barlow: Sinophonie I (1970)
Georg Katzer: Bevor Ariadne Kommt (Rondo) (1976)
Michael Obst: Metal Drop Music (1981)
Dirk Reith: Feedback Version 2 (1983)
Lutz Glandien: Cut (1988)
It's really interesting to listen to these tape music by various composers in chronological order. The later pieces are more polished and sophisticated, but the earlier pieces' somewhat primitive, rough, or harsh sounds are also very attractive.
Alla Zagaykevych :composer; performance artist; musicologist
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Alla Zahaikevych or Zagaykevych (December 17, 1966) is a Ukrainian composer of contemporary classical music, performance artist, organiser of electroacoustic music projects, musicologist. List of Zagaykevych's works include symphonic, instrumental and vocal chamber music, electro-acoustic compositions, multi-media installations and performances, chamber opera, music for films.
A recording of her electro-acoustical works is available, Nord/Ouest.
(https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/alla-zagaykevych-composer-performance-artist-musicologist/)
Thanks sanantonio. I'm listening to the second clip right now. Really lovely stuff.
And I say that even though I am a bit of a sucker for accordion.
And Torut, dear patient Torut. My life has been nothing but unremitting turmoil for the last couple of years. No sympathy, though. It was all my choice, and I'm happy with my decisions. But things have been tumultuous enough that posting to Asymmetry has been the last thing on my mind.
santantonio's blog is so sweet, too, there's even less incentive for me. Be fair, when I was the only game in town, there was very little incentive. And now?
Mauricio Pauly : electroacoustic chamber music
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Mauricio Pauly is a Costa Rican composer based in the United Kingdom since 2007. He specializes in writing music for chamber instrumental ensembles, which he often augments with performatory amplification and real-time electronic processing. His music is designed under the assumption that the listener can be primed to experience a sense of poetic structure; that a temporal mold can be offered where listeners can pour their own semantic biases and create a sense of personal, heuristic navigation. (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/mauricio-pauly-electroacoustic-chamber-music/)
Quote from: some guy on October 19, 2015, 08:29:57 AMAnd Torut, dear patient Torut. My life has been nothing but unremitting turmoil for the last couple of years. No sympathy, though. It was all my choice, and I'm happy with my decisions. But things have been tumultuous enough that posting to Asymmetry has been the last thing on my mind.
santantonio's blog is so sweet, too, there's even less incentive for me. Be fair, when I was the only game in town, there was very little incentive. And now?
No problem. I appreciate posts of new music by you, sanantonio, North Star and others, and I'm still not able to catch up.
Scott Miller : high adventure avant garde music of the best sort (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/scott-miller-high-adventure-avant-garde-music-of-the-best-sort/)
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SCOTT MILLER and ZEITGEIST celebrate the first decade of their work together with the release of Tipping Point, a CD featuring Miller's works for instrument and electronics alongside his only strictly acoustic work written in the 21st century.
Known for his interactive electroacoustic chamber music and experimental performance pieces, Miller has twice been named a McKnight Composer Fellow, he is a Fulbright Scholar, and his work has been recognized by numerous international arts organizations.
Robert Normandeau's cinema for the ear (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/robert-normandeaus-cinema-for-the-ear/)
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Latest from Francis Dhomont : ... et autres utopies (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/latest-from-francis-dhomont-et-autres-utopies/)
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https://www.youtube.com/v/CgXpT8gpfP4
Fabulous new discovery for me here. Does anyone know anything about Denis Smalley? Is this an outlier or has he written other music like this?
Quote from: Mandryka on February 06, 2021, 09:04:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/CgXpT8gpfP4
Fabulous new discovery for me here. Does anyone know anything about Denis Smalley? Is this an outlier or has he written other music like this?
Not much, but I've had this disc for ages and it's a blast:
(https://i.ibb.co/Xjg8Zt2/smalley.jpg) (https://www.discogs.com/Denis-Smalley-Impacts-Int%C3%A9rieurs/release/2248344)
https://www.youtube.com/v/nwWA7F1bgjA
Yes I have that but I like this more
https://www.youtube.com/v/hDRRrvNvvWc
(I may be showing a preference for his analogue music)
Quote from: MDL on May 13, 2008, 04:12:54 AM
Nono's A Floresta è jovem e cheja de vida, for tape, soprano, clarinet and metal plates, is a beautiful and devastating comment on the Vietnam War. Unfortunately, the DG recording has never been issued on CD. The Mode recording just doesn't have quite the impact, although it's still worth hearing. His Un Volto del Mare is an intense, lyrical blending of electronic sounds and female vocals, which, again, has not emerged on CD as far as I know.
Interesting to see this comment, just because I've listened quite recently to both the DG and the Mode versions of Nono's
A Floresta è jovem e cheja de vida and I prefer the mode, which seems somehow more refined, more interior and of course, better recorded. It is an excellent piece of music IMO.
Quote from: Mandryka on February 06, 2021, 09:04:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/CgXpT8gpfP4
Fabulous new discovery for me here. Does anyone know anything about Denis Smalley? Is this an outlier or has he written other music like this?
He's great. Probably New Zealand's best composer. I like everything I've heard from him, which has unfortunately been very little; the standout work is
Tides, I think.
Quote from: amw on February 06, 2021, 03:12:51 PM
He's great. Probably New Zealand's best composer. I like everything I've heard from him, which has unfortunately been very little; the standout work is Tides, I think.
Something totally magical happens about three and a half minutes before the end of Pentes.
The big problem I have with his music, or a lot of it, is that it isn't contrapuntal -- it's a collage of sound moments. That means I have to adjust my expectations a bit, I am used to polyphony/heterophony.
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The image is bad, Françoise Barrière's Scènes des Voyages d'Ulysse.
Absolutely bloody amazing recording this, Françoise Barrière is just incredibly talented at making collages, it has all the spirituality of Stockhausen's Hymnen III - and French sensuality and finesse.
I don't know if I've posted this before, but this is an excellent source for electro acoustic music: electrocd (https://electrocd.com/en/accueil)
Hundreds of CDs and downloads available - and biographies for many composers.
Not exactly sure after searching, if this is the proper thread for posting my inquiry for recommendations, but here goes! :)
Okay, recently discovering the remarkable impression two electronic compositions have made on me recently, and honestly never expected to enjoy it..... but it blew me away!
Ligeti-
ArtikulationVarèse -
Poème électroniqueAnother good example is part of
Varèse's Déserts,
specifically the three movements dealing with 1st, 2nd and 3rd interpolations of organised sound (tape)
What I found fascinating was that it sounded like aliens from outer space music, for lack of a better description. A real ear worm! 🙂 Eleotronique or tape sound effects music.
So I am looking for specific recommendations along these lines and preferably shorter pieces, if possible.
Thanks in advance!
Already a thank you to
@Mandryka for recommending
Bernard Parmegiani's De Natura Sonorum. I will add this to the list. 8)
I'm sure I once came across a piece which was a setting of some Poe - The Raven maybe. Does anyone know what it could have been? It's really bugging me.
@some guy - I need you!
I have no idea, but enjoyed looking around...... I found these:
Dernier Matin d'Edgar� �Allan Poe
from Tinguely 1967 by Luc Ferrari
https://noname1111.bandcamp.com/track/dernier-matin-dedgar-allan-poe-2
Henri Pousseur:
Tales and Songs from the Bible of Hell (1979) 27'
[musique électro-acoustique avec quatre voix électrifiées en temps réel.]
d'après William Blake et Edgar Allan Poe
Création en 1980 par l'Ensemble vocal Electric Phoenix de Londres
https://youtu.be/S0yB4XIhX_k
Guy Reibel:
https://electrocd.com/en/album/5226/guy-reibel/variations-en-etoile-deux-etudes-aux
Suite pour Edgar Poe (1973)
Contes d'E. A. Poe:
Bérénice
Annabel Lee
Silence
Ombre
Quote from: pjme on May 11, 2023, 03:51:29 AMI have no idea, but enjoyed looking around...... I found these:
Dernier Matin d'Edgar� �Allan Poe
from Tinguely 1967 by Luc Ferrari
https://noname1111.bandcamp.com/track/dernier-matin-dedgar-allan-poe-2
Henri Pousseur:
Tales and Songs from the Bible of Hell (1979) 27'
[musique électro-acoustique avec quatre voix électrifiées en temps réel.]
d'après William Blake et Edgar Allan Poe
Création en 1980 par l'Ensemble vocal Electric Phoenix de Londres
https://youtu.be/S0yB4XIhX_k
Guy Reibel:
https://electrocd.com/en/album/5226/guy-reibel/variations-en-etoile-deux-etudes-aux
Suite pour Edgar Poe (1973)
Contes d'E. A. Poe:
Bérénice
Annabel Lee
Silence
Ombre
Well I'm pretty sure it wasn't Pousseur. I was reminded of it when someone mentioned Francis Dhomont this morning, it could have been him, I have a strong memory of the way sounds and voices related were in his style in things like Forêt profonde. But as far as I can see he never set Poe.
I don't think I've ever heard anything by Guy Reibel.
Quote from: Mandryka on February 22, 2021, 07:02:45 AM(https://img.discogs.com/HxZpo3KQb9h6J0CVWr-c9plaq38=/fit-in/200x202/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-581144-1134206556.jpeg.jpg)
The image is bad, Françoise Barrière's Scènes des Voyages d'Ulysse.
Absolutely bloody amazing recording this, Françoise Barrière is just incredibly talented at making collages, it has all the spirituality of Stockhausen's Hymnen III - and French sensuality and finesse.
Nice to be reminded of this puppy.
Quote from: pjme on May 11, 2023, 03:51:29 AMI have no idea, but enjoyed looking around...... I found these:
Dernier Matin d'Edgar� �Allan Poe
from Tinguely 1967 by Luc Ferrari
https://noname1111.bandcamp.com/track/dernier-matin-dedgar-allan-poe-2
Henri Pousseur:
Tales and Songs from the Bible of Hell (1979) 27'
[musique électro-acoustique avec quatre voix électrifiées en temps réel.]
d'après William Blake et Edgar Allan Poe
Création en 1980 par l'Ensemble vocal Electric Phoenix de Londres
https://youtu.be/S0yB4XIhX_k
Guy Reibel:
https://electrocd.com/en/album/5226/guy-reibel/variations-en-etoile-deux-etudes-aux
Suite pour Edgar Poe (1973)
Contes d'E. A. Poe:
Bérénice
Annabel Lee
Silence
Ombre
I wonder if I was wrong to think it was electronic. I think I was thinking of Hosokawa's The Raven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YRTpTcam-w&t=242s&ab_channel=Pierre-AlainMonot
Quote from: pjme on May 11, 2023, 03:51:29 AMI have no idea, but enjoyed looking around...... I found these:
Dernier Matin d'Edgar� �Allan Poe
from Tinguely 1967 by Luc Ferrari
https://noname1111.bandcamp.com/track/dernier-matin-dedgar-allan-poe-2
Henri Pousseur:
Tales and Songs from the Bible of Hell (1979) 27'
[musique électro-acoustique avec quatre voix électrifiées en temps réel.]
d'après William Blake et Edgar Allan Poe
Création en 1980 par l'Ensemble vocal Electric Phoenix de Londres
https://youtu.be/S0yB4XIhX_k
Guy Reibel:
https://electrocd.com/en/album/5226/guy-reibel/variations-en-etoile-deux-etudes-aux
Suite pour Edgar Poe (1973)
Contes d'E. A. Poe:
Bérénice
Annabel Lee
Silence
Ombre
I think it could have been Francis Dhomont's The Fall of the House of Usher. Does anyone have the CD from this release (book and CDs) to share with me?
https://www.discogs.com/master/382715-Francis-Dhomont-Sonopsys-N-1
Quote from: pjme on May 11, 2023, 03:51:29 AMGuy Reibel:
https://electrocd.com/en/album/5226/guy-reibel/variations-en-etoile-deux-etudes-aux
Suite pour Edgar Poe (1973)
Contes d'E. A. Poe:
Bérénice
Annabel Lee
Silence
Ombre
This is very good, if you can understand French!
https://guyreibel.bandcamp.com/album/suite-pour-edgar-poe