1. Symphony No. 9 in D minor "Choral" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
2. Symphony No. 5 in C minor – Ludwig Van Beethoven
3. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major "Eroica" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
4. Symphony No. 6 in B minor "Pathetique" – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
5. Symphony No. 41 in C major "Jupiter" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
6. Symphony No. 9 in E minor "From The New World" – Antonin Dvorak
7. Symphony No. 6 in F major "Pastorale" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
8. Symphony No. 40 in G minor – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
9. Symphony No. 4 in E minor – Johannes Brahms
10. Symphony No. 9 in C major "The Great" – Franz Schubert
11. Symphonie Fantastique – Hector Berlioz
12. Symphony No. 8 in B minor "Unfinished" – Franz Schubert
13. Symphony No. 5 in C sharp minor – Gustav Mahler
14. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Jean Sibelius
15. Symphony No. 7 in A major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
16. Symphony No. 2 in C minor "Resurrection" – Gustav Mahler
17. Symphony No. 10 in E minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
18. Symphony No. 5 in D minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
19. Symphony No. 3 in F major – Johannes Brahms
20. Symphony No. 39 in E flat major – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
21. Symphony No. 7 in E major "Lyric" – Anton Bruckner
22. Symphony No. 4 in F minor – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
23. Symphony No. 1 in C minor – Johannes Brahms
24. Symphony No. 9 in D major – Gustav Mahler
25. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major "Romantic" – Anton Bruckner
26. Symphony No. 4 in A major "Italian" – Felix Mendelssohn
27. Symphony No. 38 in D major "Prague" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
28. Symphony No. 3 in C minor "Organ" – Camille Saint Saens
29. Symphony No. 94 in G major "Surprise" – Joseph Haydn
30. Symphony No. 101 in D major "The Clock" – Joseph Haydn
31. Symphony No. 5 in B flat major – Serge Prokofiev
32. Symphony No. 5 in E minor – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
33. Symphony No. 104 in D major "London" – Joseph Haydn
34. Symphony No. 9 in D minor – Anton Bruckner
35. Symphony No. 5 in E flat major – Jean Sibelius
36. Mathis der Maler – Paul Hindemith
37. Symphony No. 1 in D major "Classical" – Serge Prokofiev
38. Symphony No. 8 in C minor – Anton Bruckner
39. Symphony No. 8 in G major – Antonin Dvorak
40. Symphony No. 7 in D minor – Antonin Dvorak
41. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Johannes Brahms
42. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major "Rhenish" – Robert Schumann
43. Symphony No. 2 in E minor – Sergei Rachmaninoff
44. Symphony No. 4 in B flat major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
45. Symphony in D minor – Cesar Franck
46. Symphony No. 100 in G major "Military" – Joseph Haydn
47. Symphony No. 4 in D major – Gustav Mahler
48. Symphony No. 8 in E flat major "Symphony Of A Thousand" – Gustav Mahler
49. Symphony No. 2 in G major "London" – Ralph Vaughan Williams
50. Symphony No. 1 "Titan" in D major – Gustav Mahler
51. Symphony No. 103 in E flat major "Drum Roll" – Joseph Haydn
52. Symphony No. 8 in F major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
53. Symphony No. 5 – Carl Nielsen
54. Symphony No. 5 in D major – Ralph Vaughan Williams
55. Symphony No. 3 in A minor "Scottish" – Felix Mendelssohn
56. Symphony No. 1 in F minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
57. Symphony No. 7 in C major – Jean Sibelius
58. Symphony No. 4 in F minor – Ralph Vaughan Williams
59. Symphony No. 1 in B flat major "Spring" – Robert Schumann
60. Symphony No. 45 in F sharp minor "Farewell" – Joseph Haydn
61. Symphony No. 3 in D minor – Gustav Mahler
62. Symphony No. 92 in G major "Oxford" – Joseph Haydn
63. Symphony No. 3 "The Camp Meeting" – Charles Ives
64. Symphony No. 35 in D major "Haffner" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
65. Symphony No. 1 in E minor – Jean Sibelius
66. Symphony No. 4 in A minor – Jean Sibelius
67. Symphony No. 88 in G major – Joseph Haydn
68. Symphony No. 1 in A flat major – Edward Elgar
69. Symphony No. 6 in A minor "Tragic" – Gustav Mahler
70. Symphony No. 7 in E minor "Song of the Night" – Gustav Mahler
71. Symphony No. 4 – Charles Ives
72. Symphony No. 4 in D minor – Robert Schumann
73. Symphony No. 3 – Aaron Copland
74. Symphony No. 29 in A major – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
75. Symphony No. 4 "Inextinguishable" – Carl Nielsen
76. Symphony in Three Movements – Igor Stravinsky
77. Symphony No. 5 in B flat major – Franz Schubert
78. Symphony No. 36 in C major "Linzer" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
79. Symphony No. 1 in B flat minor – William Walton
80. Turangalila Symphony – Oliver Messiaen
81. Symphony No. 5 in B flat major – Anton Bruckner
82. Symphony No. 3 for soprano or tenor & orchestra "Pastoral" – Ralph Vaughan Williams
83. Symphony No. 102 in B flat major – Joseph Haydn
84. Symphony No. 3 "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs" – Henryk Gorecki
85. Harold en Italie – Hector Berlioz
86. Symphony No. 2 – Charles Ives
87. Symphony No. 2 in C major – Robert Schumann
88. Faust Symphony – Franz Liszt
89. Symphony in C major – Georges Bizet
90. Symphony No. 3"Sinfonia Espansiva" – Carl Nielsen
91. Symphony No. 8 in C minor "Stalingrad" – Dmitri Shostakovich
92. Symphony No. 4 in C major "Poem of Ecstasy" – Alexander Scriabin
93. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
94. Symphony No. 1 in C major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
95. Symphony No. 2 in B minor – Alexander Borodin
96. Chamber Symphony No. 1 in E major – Arnold Schoenberg
97. Symphony No. 6 in E minor – Ralph Vaughan Williams
98. Symphony No. 7 in C major "Leningrad" – Dmitri Shostakovich
99. Symphony No. 6 in D minor – Antonin Dvorak
100. Symphony No. 14 for soprano, bass, strings, and percussion – Dmitri Shostakovich
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best-classic-symp.html
Who comes up with nonsense like this? And then spends all the time assembling such a pointless list? And why do you post that here?
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 05:55:18 PM
Who comes up with nonsense like this?
The website posted at the bottom of the list.
QuoteAnd then spends all the time assembling such a pointless list?
I'm only guessing, but I think people voted and this is the result.
QuoteAnd why do you post that here?
I put it in the beginner's area to perhaps give a newbie something to ponder.
You don't like this list, M?
I don't like any of these lists. The classical canon is not a hit parade. It is cultural heritage.
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 06:07:37 PM
I don't like any of these lists. The classical canon is not a hit parade. It is cultural heritage.
Sorry, M. I'm a list-oholic. :P
That list absolutely sucks. Allow me to demonstrate:
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
1. Symphony No. 9 in D minor "Choral" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
2. Symphony No. 5 in C minor – Ludwig Van Beethoven
3. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major "Eroica" – Ludwig Van Beethoven - is this symphony really better than every symphony ever written by anybody other than Beethoven?
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
4. Symphony No. 6 in B minor "Pathetique" – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
9. Symphony No. 4 in E minor – Johannes Brahms
As they say in Mother Russia, bullshevit. I mean, I'm as big a lover of Tchaikovsky as the next guy, but is his Sixth the best symphony ever written by any non-Beethoven person? No. :P Brahms Fourth, perhaps; Mozart or Mahler, perhaps... but not really Tchaikovsky.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
14. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Jean Sibelius
35. Symphony No. 5 in E flat major – Jean Sibelius
57. Symphony No. 7 in C major – Jean Sibelius
65. Symphony No. 1 in E minor – Jean Sibelius
66. Symphony No. 4 in A minor – Jean Sibelius
The author evidently has some odd ideas regarding Sibelius.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
23. Symphony No. 1 in C minor – Johannes Brahms
40. Symphony No. 7 in D minor – Antonin Dvorak
Further bullshevit (and why is Dvorak's Ninth in the top ten, ahead of the Brahms 4 by the way, if his Seventh and Eight are way down in the 40s?).
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
41. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Johannes Brahms
99. Symphony No. 6 in D minor – Antonin Dvorak
What exactly makes these pieces so hugely different? ;D And since when is Dvorak's Sixth in D minor?
And finally, a sampling of things ranked lower than the Elgar First:
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
68. Symphony No. 1 in A flat major – Edward Elgar
91. Symphony No. 8 in C minor "Stalingrad" – Dmitri Shostakovich
93. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
94. Symphony No. 1 in C major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
98. Symphony No. 7 in C major "Leningrad" – Dmitri Shostakovich
See? I posted this so Brian could tear it a new one. :P
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
See? I posted this so Brian could tear it a new one. :P
I'm going to tear myself a new one now, because I just realized it should be "bullshevik". ::)
Quote from: Brian on June 12, 2008, 07:11:55 PM
I'm going to tear myself a new one now, because I just realized it should be "bullshevik". ::)
Man, you belong on this list. At about #56. ;D
Quote from: Brian on June 12, 2008, 07:05:57 PM
And finally, a sampling of things ranked lower than the Elgar First:
That's because none of these works contains multi-dimensional vibrational fields. This may be a little hard to understand though unless you are a genius.
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
That's because none of these works contains multi-dimensional vibrational fields. This may be a little hard to understand though unless you are a genius.
It's very simple, M. See?
(http://www.jackhaas.info/digital-art-gallery-the-new-vibrational-field.jpg)
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 07:13:55 PM
Man, you belong on this list. At about #56. ;D
Wow! I'm better than Mozart's "Haffner" and "Linzer" symphonies! What an honor 0:)
I was hoping M would supply his own top 100 symphony list. I think he's just jealous because he doesn't have one. $:)
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
That's because none of these works contains multi-dimensional vibrational fields. This may be a little hard to understand though unless you are a genius.
Ah, that makes so much more sense!
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 07:19:05 PM
I was hoping M would supply his own top 100 symphony list. I think he's just jealous because he doesn't have one. $:)
Indeed I don't. For me, the top piece is whatever I desire to listen to and enjoy at the moment. If it wasn't, then I would listen to something else.
Besides, my personal "favorites" aren't necessarily always the "most important" pieces. And they change over time anyway.
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:23:11 PM
Indeed I don't. For me, the top piece is whatever I desire to listen to and enjoy at the moment. If it wasn't, then I would listen to something else.
Besides, my personal "favorites" aren't necessarily always the "most important" pieces. And they change over time anyway.
At least a list like this might generate debate and also remind us of something we haven't heard in a while.
Or not.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 07:19:05 PM
I was hoping M would supply his own top 100 symphony list. I think he's just jealous because he doesn't have one. $:)
Here's my #1:
Brian R., Symphony No 1 in all keys, "The Best Symphony Ever"I. Maestoso magnifico
II. Largo luxurioso
III. Allegretto amazingo
IV. Finale fantastico
And in case you were wondering, my least favorite symphony, with average concert performance timings:
Brian R., Symphony No 2 in F-flat, "The Worst Symphony Ever" [TT: 124:13]
I. Adagio agonizingo [29:31]
II. Vivace vomitante [17:23]
III. Marcia: molto moldo [36:02]
IV. Allegro con colonoscopo [41:17]
What kind of debate that would make any sense should this generate?
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:27:17 PM
What kind of debate that would make any sense should this generate?
Nothing that would interest you, I'm sure. Since you hate lists anyway.
By the way, how do you decide what to listen to at any given time?
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:27:17 PM
What kind of debate that would make any sense should this generate?
Well, we could have a nice intellectual discussion to decide, once and for all, the timeless question of whether Beethoven's First Symphony is superior to Shostakovich's Seventh. :P
::)
;D
ps. By the way, Dave, if it's any comfort, I have enjoyed this thread.
Quote from: Brian on June 12, 2008, 07:29:25 PM
ps. By the way, Dave, if it's any comfort, I have enjoyed this thread.
Hey, I like my thread. If M doesn't like it, well, that's just...
:'(
...just...
:'(
fine.
:-*
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 07:28:48 PM
By the way, how do you decide what to listen to at any given time?
I don't really know. Random moods, stuff that I am thinking of because I am reading about it, music I am talking to friends about, special collecting themes which I have, music friends send me etcetc.
BTW, what makes you think you could decide which pieces of music belong on a "top 100" list and in which order?
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 08:11:47 PM
BTW, what makes you think you could decide which pieces of music belong on a "top 100" list and in which order?
Oh, I would never attempt it. Way out of my league. I think this list was based on a poll. So, the people have spoken!
Or something...
So if you can't make the list, how can you debate it?
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 08:16:07 PM
So if you can't make the list, how can you debate it?
Blow a lot of hot air around.
So that's what you are really here for? You realize that what you are using to blow a lot of hot air around is some people's cultural heritage, do you?
Quote from: Brian on June 12, 2008, 07:26:45 PM
And in case you were wondering, my least favorite symphony, with average concert performance timings:
Brian R., Symphony No 2 in F-flat, "The Worst Symphony Ever" [TT: 124:13]
I. Adagio agonizingo [29:31]
II. Vivace vomitante [17:23]
III. Marcia: molto moldo [36:02]
IV. Allegro con colonoscopo [41:17]
This has nothing on my Symphony No. 187 in D-flat minor, "Sinfonia Incontinenzia", in one uncontrollable movement.
That is pretty funny. I have to give you 7.9 for that.
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 08:41:55 PM
That is pretty funny. I have to give you 7.9 for that.
You like me... you really like me! :D
Quote from: Corey on June 12, 2008, 08:40:41 PM
This has nothing on my Symphony No. 187 in D-flat minor, "Sinfonia Incontinenzia", in one uncontrollable movement.
Oh, man was that funny ;D . I think I might have woken my folks up. :D
Quote from: Brian on June 12, 2008, 07:05:57 PM
That list absolutely sucks. Allow me to demonstrate:
Quote
14. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Jean Sibelius
35. Symphony No. 5 in E flat major – Jean Sibelius
57. Symphony No. 7 in C major – Jean Sibelius
65. Symphony No. 1 in E minor – Jean Sibelius
66. Symphony No. 4 in A minor – Jean Sibelius
The author evidently has some odd ideas regarding Sibelius.
Agreed--he left out #3 & #6, and all seven of them should be in the top 10 (well..top 20 or so, at least)!
Quote from: Brian on June 12, 2008, 07:05:57 PM
Further bullshevit (and why is Dvorak's Ninth in the top ten, ahead of the Brahms 4 by the way, if his Seventh and Eight are way down in the 40s?).
It could be assumed that an American compiled the list (not all are as rational as you 0:)) - I've gotten the impression that the 9th is obsessed over there for reasons of its association more than anywhere else.
The problem is calling it 100 greatest. Without even discussing what's the criteria for greatness.
Calling it "My 100 favorite symphonies" or "Our members 100 favorite symphonies" constitutes no problem whatsoever, and these kinds of lists are always interesting at least for questioning one's own preferences.
A better idea might be: define the 100 finest among the 193 symphonies - with symphonies 194-200 `in progress' at this moment of writing - by Finnish composer & conductor Leif Segerstam (*1944, Vaasa).
(http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1101981686009.jpeg)
Who's heard all of his 193 symphonies so far, and could recommend us the very best 100 among them?
Quote from: Christo on June 13, 2008, 12:42:42 AM
Who's heard all of his 193 symphonies so far, and could recommend us the very best 100 among them?
I've heard 0.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 13, 2008, 02:42:44 AM
I've heard 0.
The
Nullte, indeed! Almost as great as Bruckner's ! ;) And what about the other 193?
What would be much more interesting and challenging to generate would be the "100 greatest symphonies by 100 different composers". It would probably be more useful for beginners, too, because if they're serious about exploring classical music, they'll just buy up and listen to all of the symphonies by LvB, Brahms, Sibelius, and the other big names without needing some list to help them. (Easy to do with so many top-notch, dirt-cheap box sets out there.)
Then they'd have good suggestions for further exploration and might check out works by Aho, Arnold, Atterberg, Balakirev, Bantock, Bax, Diamond, Hanson, Harris, Honegger, Hovhaness, Huber, Kokkonen, Korngold, Kraus, Madetoja, Mathias, Miaskovksy, Norgard, Pärt, Pettersson, Rautavaara, Rorem, Roussel, Smith, or Svendsen--to name a few I've enjoyed.
Quote from: Christo on June 13, 2008, 02:52:12 AM
The Nullte, indeed! Almost as great as Bruckner's ! ;) And what about the other 193?
Perhaps if you send me copies.
Quote from: Grazioso on June 13, 2008, 03:35:31 AM
What would be much more interesting and challenging to generate would be the "100 greatest symphonies by 100 different composers". It would probably be more useful for beginners, too, because if they're serious about exploring classical music, they'll just buy up and listen to all of the symphonies by LvB, Brahms, Sibelius, and the other big names without needing some list to help them. (Easy to do with so many top-notch, dirt-cheap box sets out there.)
Interesting and challenging, yes. Useful for beginners? I'm not so sure. Beginners might not know that Brahms wrote symphonies or even who Sibelius is.
IMO, of course.
I don't use the term "great" as loosely as some...the very title of this thread gave me pause, as I doubt there are more than a few dozen symphonies I'd consider "great." And now we can put those worms back in the can, please. ;D
Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 05:55:18 PM
. . . And why do you post that here?
In case some find it of interest, I should think ;)
Which I do, even while I deplore some of the effete predictability.
I mean,
obviously the
Beethoven Opus 125 would get planted right up top.
And
just as obviously, once you've got started with
Beethoven, the next two or three symphonies in the list would
necessarily be
more Beethoven.
But, good gawd, did
all nine of the
Beethoven symphonies need to be in the "100 Greatest"? there are
no other symphonies out in the wide world which might,
just possibly, be "greater" than the
Opp. 21 & 36 ? Give me
the shade of a goddamned break.
Such lists are necessarily flawed at the outset, but this one is crippled by an abysmal lack of imagination.
A fine post 9,000, Karl.
How about "The 100 1000 greatest karlhenning posts?"
Quote from: MN Dave on June 13, 2008, 02:42:44 AM
I've heard 0.
Neither have I, and I intend to keep it that way.
Quote from: karlhenning on June 13, 2008, 04:46:24 AM
In case some find it of interest, I should think ;)
Which I do, even while I deplore some of the effete predictability.
I mean, obviously the Beethoven Opus 125 would get planted right up top.
And just as obviously, once you've got started with Beethoven, the next two or three symphonies in the list would necessarily be more Beethoven.
But, good gawd, did all nine of the Beethoven symphonies need to be in the "100 Greatest"? there are no other symphonies out in the wide world which might, just possibly, be "greater" than the Opp. 21 & 36 ? Give me the shade of a goddamned break.
Such lists are necessarily flawed at the outset, but this one is crippled by an abysmal lack of imagination.
Well, the Great List does make LvB 1 and 2 at nearly the bottom of the Top 100.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 08:14:20 PM
Oh, I would never attempt it. Way out of my league. I think this list was based on a poll. So, the people have spoken!
Yes, best-known, most-popular, something like that.
And,
Corey: that really was terrifically funny!
Quote from: karlhenning on June 13, 2008, 08:42:16 AM
Yes, best-known, most-popular, something like that.
And, Corey: that really was terrifically funny!
I figured I was due. ;)
Quote from: Lethe on June 12, 2008, 09:53:12 PM
It could be assumed that an American compiled the list (not all are as rational as you 0:)) - I've gotten the impression that the 9th is obsessed over there for reasons of its association more than anywhere else.
I'm not usually as rational as myself, either. ;D
Quote from: Grazioso on June 13, 2008, 03:35:31 AM
What would be much more interesting and challenging to generate would be the "100 greatest symphonies by 100 different composers". It would probably be more useful for beginners, too, because if they're serious about exploring classical music, they'll just buy up and listen to all of the symphonies by LvB, Brahms, Sibelius, and the other big names without needing some list to help them. (Easy to do with so many top-notch, dirt-cheap box sets out there.)
Then they'd have good suggestions for further exploration and might check out works by Aho, Arnold, Atterberg, Balakirev, Bantock, Bax, Diamond, Hanson, Harris, Honegger, Hovhaness, Huber, Kokkonen, Korngold, Kraus, Madetoja, Mathias, Miaskovksy, Norgard, Pärt, Pettersson, Rautavaara, Rorem, Roussel, Smith, or Svendsen--to name a few I've enjoyed.
Great idea "100 greatest symphonies by 100 different composers" would give greater variety. Even though there are 20th century composers listed they left off a few of my favorites:
DAUGHERTY: Metropolis Symphony (1993)
HOVHANESS: Symphony No. 50 "Mount St. Helens", Op. 360 (1982)
MALCOLM ARNOLD: Symphony No. 4, Op. 71 (1960)
DON GILLIS: Symphony No. 5 1/2 "A Symphony for Fun (1947)
HANSON: Symphony No. 2, Op. 30 "Romantic" (1930)
MEIJ: Symphony No. 1 "The Lord Of The Rings" (1987)
PISTON: Symphony No. 2 (1943)
Quote from: Teresa on June 15, 2008, 05:32:13 PM
HANSON: Symphony No. 2, Op. 30 "Romantic" (1930)
Which performance do you recommend? I have only heard the composers own recording on Mercury.
Quote from: Howard on June 15, 2008, 05:35:22 PM
Which performance do you recommend? I have only heard the composers own recording on Mercury.
That's the one I have:
HANSON, HOWARD (1896-1981) Symphony No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 21 "Nordic" (1922)
Symphony No. 2, Op. 30 "Romantic" (1930)
Song of Democracy (1957)
Hanson, Eastman-Rochester Orchestra [SACD] Mercury Living Presence 475 6181It is an excellent sounding SACD and as you know I love the music. I have not heard other performances though.
I'll have to give it another listen. Unfortunately, the first time through didn't get me looking forward to future listens.
Quote from: Teresa on June 15, 2008, 05:32:13 PM
Great idea "100 greatest symphonies by 100 different composers" would give greater variety. Even though there are 20th century composers listed they left off a few of my favorites:
DAUGHERTY: Metropolis Symphony (1993)
HOVHANESS: Symphony No. 50 "Mount St. Helens", Op. 360 (1982)
MALCOLM ARNOLD: Symphony No. 4, Op. 71 (1960)
DON GILLIS: Symphony No. 5 1/2 "A Symphony for Fun (1947)
HANSON: Symphony No. 2, Op. 30 "Romantic" (1930)
MEIJ: Symphony No. 1 "The Lord Of The Rings" (1987)
PISTON: Symphony No. 2 (1943)
Great list by the way, you picked some of my favorites.
What a horrible list. Mahler's first entry is at 13, and it's his....... 5th symphony? wtf? And 9 is at 24? :P
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on June 15, 2008, 06:22:54 PM
What a horrible list. Mahler's first entry is at 13, and it's his....... 5th symphony? wtf? And 9 is at 24? :P
It just goes to show that all lists are subjective. They're still fun to do though even if no two are alike.
Quote from: hornteacher on June 15, 2008, 06:25:50 PM
It just goes to show that all lists are subjective. They're still fun to do though even if no two are alike.
Indeedie, but some are less ridiculous than others... 0:)
Quote from: karlhenning on June 13, 2008, 04:46:24 AM
I mean, obviously the Beethoven Opus 125 would get planted right up top.
And just as obviously, once you've got started with Beethoven, the next two or three symphonies in the list would necessarily be more Beethoven.
But, good gawd, did all nine of the Beethoven symphonies need to be in the "100 Greatest"? there are no other symphonies out in the wide world which might, just possibly, be "greater" than the Opp. 21 & 36 ? Give me the shade of a goddamned break.
Such lists are necessarily flawed at the outset, but this one is crippled by an abysmal lack of imagination.
Yes, how impossible to imagine Beethoven's 9 symphonies all making the top 100. And such a bias towards German speaking composers too. What a shame.
Vorísek's symphony is not there. Neither is Cherubini's.
Bad list, bad list. :(
Quote from: hornteacher on June 15, 2008, 06:25:50 PM
It just goes to show that all lists are subjective. They're still fun to do though even if no two are alike.
True! In the same such way that no people (or snowflakes) are exactly alike.
I don't have much use for a list that can't find room for Honegger's Liturgique.
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 16, 2008, 12:10:50 PM
I don't have much use for a list that can't find room for Honegger's Liturgique.
I think No. 4 gets my pick (I just love that lilting theme of the first movement).
Quote from: Howard on June 15, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
I'll have to give it another listen. Unfortunately, the first time through didn't get me looking forward to future listens.
FWIW,
Howard,
Hanson leaves me cold, as well.
Quote from: ChamberNut on June 16, 2008, 08:34:24 AM
Yes, how impossible to imagine Beethoven's 9 symphonies all making the top 100.
Imagination is not the faculty involved in that sort of laziness.
Quote from: Corey on June 16, 2008, 12:41:39 PM
I think No. 4 gets my pick (I just love that lilting theme of the first movement).
Heck, if all nine of Beethoven's can go on, why not all five of Honegger's? They're not super-long, anyway.
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 16, 2008, 12:53:13 PM
Heck, if all nine of Beethoven's can go on, why not all five of Honegger's? They're not super-long, anyway.
I wonder if more people have heard Mozart's first five than Honegger's. He is criminally underrated -- even Harold Schonberg dismisses him in
Lives, essentially calling his music dated. Why, it's no more dated than Ravel or Vaughan Williams.
Quote from: mn dave on June 12, 2008, 06:03:14 PM
I put it in the beginner's area to perhaps give a newbie something to ponder.
You don't like this list, M?
In this case I would suggest not to give 7 symphonies by Mozart, 8 by Beethoven and 9 by Haydn.
The last 2 are my favourite composers, but it would be better to choose 100 composers, I think.
Beginners have to get introduced to Strauss, Atterberg, Pettersson, Lalo, Sammartini, Langgaard, CPE Bach...
and no ranking please!
Quote from: Corey on June 16, 2008, 12:56:45 PM
I wonder if more people have heard Mozart's first five than Honegger's. He is criminally underrated -- even Harold Schonberg dismisses him in Lives, essentially calling his music dated. Why, it's no more dated than Ravel or Vaughan Williams.
That would be a close contest, but I would say that more people have probably heard Mozart's first five than Honegger's. If you own a complete set of Mozart's, sooner or later curiosity will get to you. I doubt that every art-music aficionado owns much Honegger at all, much less a complete set of his symphonies (even though the five plus
Pacific 231 and
Rugby can be got ridiculously cheap in pretty solid interpretations). In that case, just by the numbers Mozart is probably going to win.
I would say that
Pacific 231 comes about as close to "mainstream" as Honegger gets, and that's not saying a whole lot.
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 21, 2008, 01:31:34 AM
I would say that Pacific 231 comes about as close to "mainstream" as Honegger gets, and that's not saying a whole lot.
More than
Le roi David?
Quote from: karlhenning on June 21, 2008, 02:08:07 PM
More than Le roi David?
Arkiv lists 17 recordings for
Pacific and 6 for
David. I know that that is, by no means, a great way to determine popularity, but it seems to be as good as anything else - short of combing through calendars and counting performances since composition, which would take far too long.
Stipulating that each symphony on the list has to be by a different composer would make for a much more interesting read, no doubt about that. Unfortunately, my music collection is nowhere near large enough to enable the construction of such a list. For instance, I have no Italian and Spanish composers on the list, and very few American or British. Nothing on Teresa's list. :-\
The following is my list, which is really a most unusual creature: Heavily informed by personal preference, but also much concerned with critical consensus and popularity, as well as the need for variety. Some items are included due to their novelty factor. In other words, the list should not be regarded as indicative of anything serious, but rather a mere attempt by a music enthusiast with too much time at hand to have some fun. Here goes:
(* indicates my top pick when two or more symphonies by the same composer are listed).
Mozart: Symphony No. 35 in D Major, "Haffner"; Symphony No. 40 in G Minor; Symphony No. 41 in C Major, "Jupiter"*
Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 in E Flat Major, "Eroica"*; Symphony No. 6 in F Major, "Pastorale"; Symphony No. 7 in A Major; Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, "Choral"
Schubert: Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, "Unfinished"; Symphony No. 9 in C Major*
Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 4 in A Major, "Italian"
Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E Flat Major, "Rhenish"*; Symphony No. 4 in D Minor (1941 version)
Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor; Symphony No. 3 in F Major; Symphony No. 4 in E Minor*
Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 in E Flat Major, "Romantic"; Symphony No. 7 in E Major; Symphony No. 8 in C Minor*; Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, "Unfinished"
Mahler: Symphony No. 1 in D Major, "Titan"; Symphony No. 5 in C Sharp Minor; Symphony No. 8 in E Flat Major, "Symphony of a Thousand"; Symphony No. 9 in D Major*
R. Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
Hindemith: Mathis der Maler
Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique*; Harold en Italie
Alkan: Symphony for Solo Piano (from 12 Etudes in Minor Keys)
Franck: Symphony in D Minor
Chausson: Symphony in B Flat Major
Lalo: Symphony in G Minor
Bizet: Symphony in C Major
Dukas: Symphony in C Major
Saint-Saens: Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, "Organ"
D'Indy: Symphony on a French Mountain Air
Debussy: La Mer, three symphonic sketches – Can't resist ;D
Roussel: Symphony No. 1 in D Minor, "Le poème de la forêt"; Symphony No. 3 in G Minor*
Schmitt: Symphony No. 2
Magnard: Symphony No. 3 in B Flat Minor; Symphony No. 4 in C Sharp Minor*
Tournemire: Symphony No. 3 in D Major, "Moscou"; Symphony No. 8, "Le triomphe de la mort"
Dupre: Symphony in G Minor for Organ and Orchestra
Honegger: Symphony No. 2 in D Major; Symphony No. 3, "Liturgique"*
Milhaud: Symphony No. 8, "Rhodanienne"
Francaix: Symphony No. 3
Messiaen: Turangalila Symphony
Dutilleux: Symphony No. 2, "Le Double"
Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor; Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, "Pathetique"*
Rachmaninov: The Bells
Borodin: Symphony No. 2 in B Minor
Taneyev: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor
Stravinsky: Symphony in C; Symphony in Three Movements*
Myaskovsky: Symphony No. 6 in E Flat Minor
Prokofiev: Symphony No. 1 in D Major, "Classical"; Symphony No. 6 in E Flat Minor; Symphony No. 7 in C Sharp Minor*
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D Minor; Symphony No. 8 in C Minor, "Stalingrad"*; Symphony No. 13 in B Flat Minor, "Babi Yar"
Silvestrov: Symphony No. 5
Berwald: Symphony No. 3 in C Major, "Sinfonie Singulière"
Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor; Symphony No. 6 in D Minor; Symphony No. 7 in C Major*
Alfven: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, "From The Outermost Skerries"
Atterberg: Symphony No. 6 in C Major, "Dollar"
Stenhammar: Symphony No. 2 in G Minor
Nielsen: Symphony No. 2, "The Four Temperaments"*; Symphony No. 3, "Sinfonia espansiva"; Symphony No. 4, "The Inextinguishable"
Pettersson: Symphony No. 7
Rautavaara: Symphony No. 7, "Angel of Light"
Copland: Symphony No. 3*; Symphony for Organ and Orchestra
Ives: Holidays Symphony
Bernstein: Symphony No. 2, "The Age of Anxiety"*; Symphony No. 3, "Kaddish"
Harris: Symphony No. 3
Rochberg: Symphony No. 5
Rorem: Symphony No. 1
Elgar: Symphony No. 2 in E Flat Major
Walton: Symphony No. 1 in B Flat Minor
Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 3, "Pastoral"; Symphony No. 6 in E Minor*; Symphony No. 9 in E Minor
Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor; Symphony No. 8 in G Major*; Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, "From The New World"
Suk: Symphony in C Minor, "Asrael"
Szymanowski: Symphony No. 3, "Song of the Night"
Gorecki: Symphony No. 3, "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs"
Lilburn: Symphony No. 2
McPhee: Symphony No. 2, "Pastorale"
Tan Dun: Heaven Earth Mankind
The list looks like a popularity contest. It also seems dated. The choices for Mahler, Sibelius, and Vaughan Williams look like they might have been made from an old CD sales chart. It's not really a terrible list for beginners since many of the choices will be on any list, but it lacks diversity.
Monsieur Croche , I think your list better serves the purpose.
A few more:
Pärt: 3
Diamond: 2
Hovhaness: 6 "Celestial Gate" or 50 "Mount St. Helens"
Fibich: any of the three are representative and enjoyable
Madetoja: 2 or 3 (both excellent and indicative of different sides of the composer)
Norgard: 3
Bax: 6
Mathias: 3
Hanson: 2 "Romantic"
Rorem: 3
Martinu: haven't heard them all yet, but I like 1 the best so far
Korngold: F sharp
Zemlinsky: Lyric
Some other names to consider: Gernsheim, Rott, Chavez, Farrenc, Huber, Wm. Schuman, Alice Mary Smith, Aho, Englund--the list goes on and on.
Quote from: drogulus on July 14, 2008, 12:41:12 PM
It's not really a terrible list for beginners since many of the choices will be on any list, but it lacks diversity.
Methinks it's diverse enough for a beginner. Better than listing a bunch of second- and third-stringers.
Only the list includes second-string Beethoven, which should yield place to non-Beethoven first-string symphonies.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 16, 2008, 07:46:53 AM
Only the list includes second-string Beethoven, which should yield place to non-Beethoven first-string symphonies.
Says you. ;D
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 08:26:20 AM
And I agree with him, not all Beethoven is first-string ...his output varies in quality considerably, he's so overhyped (like Mozart) that lots of people think since his name is attached to it, everything they did has be the greatest thing ever, the highest form of expression ever created!
Well, bad Beethoven is better than a lot of other stuff.
QuoteIts so lazy, narrow-minded (& short-sighted) to take the most popular composers and dump all their works into a list as being "the greatest", while neglecting so much else that's better or just a good.
Better? *laughs uncontrollably*
QuoteWhere are the different voices and choices? Diversity? Variety?
I don't think we need to lay the diversity on the poor beginners. Not at first. Give them the cream of the crop, then they can explore whatever they'd like.
QuoteIt's reminds me... Ligeti or Stockhausen dies and who's still on the cover of all the classical music rags? Why it's Mozart, Beethoven, Puccini etc. Zzzzz Ugh. It's like; "OK, they did some great stuff we get it, enough already!", "Let's cover & expose more territory." While the recently deceased composer gets a little blurb on page 42...
Over-exposure bugs me as well, but then again, I'm not a beginner.
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 09:13:11 AM
Oh yes, better!. Way better. Believe it...
I really can't.
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 09:18:06 AM
A lot has happened since Beethoven did his thing, I guess it's time for you to do some catching up.
Yeah, I've heard a lot of that mess. ;)
Well, this is the "100 Greatest" list which obligatorily includes all nine Beethoven symphonies, right?
Are all Beethoven's nine equally great? Probably not, right?
Let's say one of the nine is the least great; for discussion's sake, let's say the first is the least great of the nine.
The least of Beethoven's nine, his first symphony, is necessarily greater than . . . all but 91 of the other symphonies in the world?
I am in some little doubt on that question.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 16, 2008, 09:26:28 AM
Well, this is the "100 Greatest" list which obligatorily includes all nine Beethoven symphonies, right?
Are all Beethoven's nine equally great? Probably not, right?
Let's say one of the nine is the least great; for discussion's sake, let's say the first is the least great of the nine.
The least of Beethoven's nine, his first symphony, is necessarily greater than . . . all but 91 of the other symphonies in the world?
I am in some little doubt on that question.
You could drop the first two and I guess I wouldn't care much.
Quote from: Apollo on July 16, 2008, 09:40:37 AM
You could drop the first two and I guess I wouldn't care much.
Spoken like a gentleman. Likeable pieces, but it isn't as if the
Opp. 21 & 36 command spots at the World's Greatest table.
Quote from: Grazioso on July 16, 2008, 04:43:23 AM
Norgard: 3
I'd like it if his first were included in the list, even though the 3rd might be the most celebrated..... i still feel his first is possibly his best, an all-out "austere" symphony that's nearly post-romantic in style.
Oh, I hate lists. They are so subjective. And of course that brings out the critic in everyone. Maybe I don't like what you like, and vice-versa.
I like all of Beethoven's symphonies. They can be in my top 100 any time (if I wanted to make up a Top 100 list, that is... which I don't).
Oh, I have no trouble with a list of 100 great symphonies.
How large the pool of great symphones must be, to need a restrictive list of 100 greatest, on the other hand . . . .
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 10:04:37 AM
also, are there even that many symphonies that could be considered truly great to begin with? i find most to be quite cumbersome & portentous to be honest...
Those are the ones after Beethoven. $:)
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 10:08:07 AM
Beethoven wouldn't even make my list. :)
You're killin' me, man.
It might be easier to make a list of "100 Greatest Symphonies" than it is to think of one greatest symphony.
And how can these hundred by the "greatest?" Does that mean the next hundred are just "great"?
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 10:08:07 AM
Beethoven wouldn't even make my list. :)
And what's wrong with Beethoven?
And if not Beethoven, then what would make your list?
And I would bet you'd name some composers I can't stand.
Quote from: Thekherham on July 16, 2008, 01:13:50 PM
And what's wrong with Beethoven?
Nothing wrong with
Beethoven; there are just other composers whose music he prefers.
Quote from: ThekherhamAnd I would bet you'd name some composers I can't stand.
Oh, that defiant blind bigotry is what hurts, isn't it? At least when
James says he prefers other composers, he
has actually heard Beethoven.
(At least, I think he has . . . .)
8)
Quote from: Thekherham on July 16, 2008, 01:13:50 PM
And what's wrong with Beethoven?
And if not Beethoven, then what would make your list?
And I would bet you'd name some composers I can't stand.
That's okay - you don't have to listen to them.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 16, 2008, 09:42:02 AM
Spoken like a gentleman. Likeable pieces, but it isn't as if the Opp. 21 & 36 command spots at the World's Greatest table.
Apollo revealed to me the 101 greatest symphony:
An otherwise blank piece of music paper that Beethoven once sneezed on.
The work is called Fur Ragweed.
;D
A revelation, Dear Friends! ;D
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 08:26:20 AM
reminds me... Ligeti or Stockhausen dies and who's still on the cover of all the classical music rags? Why it's Mozart, Beethoven, Puccini etc. Zzzzz Ugh. It's like; "OK, they did some great stuff we get it, enough already!", "Let's cover & expose more territory." While the recently deceased composer gets a little blurb on page 42...
I agree with some of what you're saying, yet you do have a picture of Bach--one of those crusty "greats" if ever there were one--as your avatar :)
Quote from: James on July 17, 2008, 07:47:58 AM
you can say im a bit of a JSB fan, and he is rather under exposed in terms of actual concert performance time - considering his towering stature. People pay lip service but he is more revered in name than celebrated in the concert hall. While Mozart & Beethoven (YAWN) and safe romantic stuff is overestimated and dominating...
The people want romance. :-*
Quote from: James on July 17, 2008, 07:47:58 AM
you can say im a bit of a JSB fan, and he is rather under exposed in terms of actual concert performance time . . . .
Or, one could argue that actually he gets the
right balance of concert performance; the great bulk of his music he wrote
not for 'concert performance', but for church use — where he is still performed with frequency.
Quote from: Apollo on July 17, 2008, 07:49:54 AM
The people want romance. :-*
Certainly not that yecchy
modern stuff!
Of course you wouldn't admit it even to yourself, James, but your tastes in "the contemporary" are pretty narrow and still under the influence of the Boulezian teleological view of music history, which, if the music of the 20th Century has taught us anything, is not, nor was it ever tenable. There was also a huge amount of coverage on the respective deaths of Ligeti and Stockhausen, even in non-classical music magazines. Would they have this sort of cross-cultural impact if they weren't hugely popular? Of course, I am probably mistaken in expecting a response other than the usual short shrift we get from you. ::)
Quote from: James on July 16, 2008, 10:04:37 AM
also, are there even that many symphonies that could be considered truly great to begin with? i find most to be quite cumbersome & portentous to be honest...
"Could be" invites a generous, inclusive interpretation, doesn't it? Now, if you said there are 1,761
truly great symphonies I'd be very doubtful. But 100 doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Start with Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Bruckner, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Schubert, and Brahms. Even if you throw the little ones back you're more than halfway there!
:D And you haven't even got to the 20th century. No, I think 100 is easy.
:)
Quote from: James on July 17, 2008, 07:47:58 AM
you can say im a bit of a JSB fan, and he is rather under exposed in terms of actual concert performance time - considering his towering stature. People pay lip service but he is more revered in name than celebrated in the concert hall. While Mozart & Beethoven (YAWN) and safe romantic stuff is overestimated and dominating...
Quote from: karlhenning on July 17, 2008, 07:50:50 AM
Or, one could argue that actually he gets the right balance of concert performance; the great bulk of his music he wrote not for 'concert performance', but for church use — where he is still performed with frequency.
Where I live (the Netherlands) there is a lot of Bach to be heard in concert. At the doors of CD stores I can weekly find a rather large amount of announcements of Bach cantata and organ performances in my 'neighbourhood'.
After the 'HIP-revolution' Bach isn't to be heard that much in the large concert halls, this is true. But I think that most of these concert halls were built to fit in the larger 19th century symphony orchestras.
I'm not that depressed that Bach's concertos aren't performed anymore with large 19th century symphony orchestras. I prefer to hear them in the smaller chamber music settings respectively concert halls. And luckilly, according to the concert programs in my 'neighbourhood', these concertos are still performed, indeed, in those smaller halls.
Does Bach belong in a thread about greatest symphonies, BTW? Yes, he certainly does! He composed a lot of great
sinfonias! ;)
This is silly.
At least if this was a bit more selective. Like the "100 Greatest d minor Symphonies". Then we could have a discussion... ;D.
Quote from: Don on July 16, 2008, 02:22:43 PM
That's okay - you don't have to listen to them.
Oh, I would listen to them, just so I can form my own opinion.
But taste is personal.
Quote from: Apollo on July 17, 2008, 07:49:54 AM
The people want romance. :-*
They sure do, and the popularity of American Idol is sufficient evidence. If I had to listen every day to the crap music they play on that show, I'd need physical restraints.
I come up with way more than a hunnert.
Here's my list:
77 Haydn. 77 is the number of great ones, not the Sym. 77. Of his 107 symphonies (104 numbered, + the Sinfonias A & B and the Sinfonia Concertante in B Flat, maybe only about thirty of them don't qualify as great ones--they're mostly found in the teens, twenties, thirties, sixties, and seventies. My favorite unjustly neglected Haydn Symphony is # 72.
9 Mozart Syms 25, 29, 31, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40, 41.
9 Beethoven.
7 Schubert.
3 Mendelssohn 3,4, & 5.
4 Schumann.
4 Brahms.
2 Berlioz--Sym fant, Harold
1 Franck D Minor
1 Saint-Saens Organ Sym.
3 Tchaikovsky 4,5, & 6.
5 Dvorak 5-9.
7 Sibelius.
10 Mahler--9 syms, + Das Lied von der Erde.
6 Bruckner 4-9.
1 Hindemith Mathis der Maler.
7 Prokofiev
15 Shostakovich
1 Gorecki 3.
1 Elgar 1st.
2 Ives (now, I'm guessing here--Camp Meeting and 4, though I have never really wormed to most of Ives at all).
4 Vaughan Willaims--guessing here, too, same reason as above, but say, 1, 2, 5, and 7.
1 Nielsen 4th--guessing here, too, same reason as above.
So, that makes about 180 great symphonies. ;D
D'Indy's symphonies often go unmentioned, but they are well worth the time. Think of them like Mahler, but much more lush, and bigger.
These 7 symphonies are the most important to me:
Elgar #2
Elgar #1
Nielsen #4
Elgar/Payne #3
Nielsen #3
Saint-Saëns #3
Nielsen #2
The following symphonies are among my favorites but not great enough to be in the first group.
Nielsen #5
Sibelius #6
Beethoven #6
Mozart #39
Walton #1
Haydn #21
Nielsen #1
Following 71db, I'll mention the symphonies that I enjoy the most:
D'Indy Symphony No. 2
Beethoven Symphony No. 2
Beethoven Symphony No. 9
Bruckner Symphony No. 9
Mahler Symphony No. 1
Brahms Complete Symphonies
Am I an idiot liking Elgar and Nielsen instead of Beethoven and Mahler?
Talk about low hanging fruit!
I ask because I have learned that in the world of classical music majority/historical tradition defines how things are, not people who think differently.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 03:32:14 AM
I ask because I have learned that in the world of classical music majority/historical tradition defines how things are, not people who think differently.
Not so. Beethoven sure thought differently.
Quote from: George on July 26, 2008, 04:05:54 AM
Not so. Beethoven sure thought differently.
Perhaps but the tradition was just beginning to form when Beethoven lived. So, it's about what we think about Beethoven rather than what Beethoven was thinking 200 years ago.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 03:14:36 AM
Am I an idiot liking Elgar and Nielsen instead of Beethoven and Mahler?
No, only Elgar, you can leave Nielsen out of it.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 26, 2008, 06:19:55 AM
No, only Elgar, you can leave Nielsen out of it.
Well, not the other without the other for me. I don't care if liking Elgar makes me an idiot. I like what I like and I can't help it. Even idiots find GMG and post here. How about people who don't like any classical music? Are they more or less interlligent than me because they don't like Elgar either?
No, I HAVE to assume I am smart and right about many things. I can appreacite classical music, sonmething than most people are unable to do. I get music in so many way and my taste is wide. That makes me smart. I must have high self-esteem. Don't be rudy to me!
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 03:14:36 AM
Am I an idiot liking Elgar and Nielsen instead of Beethoven and Mahler?
It's personal preference. So, of course not.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 07:09:11 AM
Well, not the other without the other for me. I don't care if liking Elgar makes me an idiot. I like what I like and I can't help it. Even idiots find GMG and post here. How about people who don't like any classical music? Are they more or less interlligent than me because they don't like Elgar either?
No, I HAVE to assume I am smart and right about many things. I can appreacite classical music, sonmething than most people are unable to do. I get music in so many way and my taste is wide. That makes me smart. I must have high self-esteem. Don't be rudy to me!
Your intelligence is not reflected in what kind of music that you enjoy, nor does it tell anyone if you are a 'free' thinker or not.
Quote from: Philoctetes on July 26, 2008, 08:08:23 AM
It's personal preference. So, of course not.
Quote from: Philoctetes on July 26, 2008, 08:32:01 AM
Your intelligence is not reflected in what kind of music that you enjoy, nor does it tell anyone if you are a 'free' thinker or not.
Tell that to
PerfectWagnerite. ::)
Music taste can reflect free thinking in the form of personal preferences. My mind is not locked outside the appreciation of Elgar's symphonies. However, many other seem to be trapped to the silly thought that Elgar is a clown in British music history and are unable to enjoy his music. Sad.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 09:01:02 AM
Tell that to PerfectWagnerite. ::)
Music taste can reflect free thinking in the form of personal preferences. My mind is not locked outside the appreciation of Elgar's symphonies. However, many other seem to be trapped to the silly thought that Elgar is a clown in British music history and are unable to enjoy his music. Sad.
Why tell it to anyone? I speak mostly to myself. You really shouldn't give a damn what he or she thinks about your personal taste, and I might even go out on a limb, and bet, to say that he or she was making a joke.
Quote from: Philoctetes on July 26, 2008, 09:02:03 AM
Why tell it to anyone? I speak mostly to myself. You really shouldn't give a damn what he or she thinks about your personal taste, and I might even go out on a limb, and bet, to say that he or she was making a joke.
Well I wouldn't give a damn if it would not make me feel bad. If it was a joke it was a bad one.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 09:06:29 AM
Well I wouldn't give a damn if it would not make me feel bad. If it was a joke it was a bad one.
Why should it hurt you? You don't know him or her? He or she should be irrelevant. Like what you like. Dislike what you dislike. I think the formula is really pretty simple.
Quote from: Philoctetes on July 26, 2008, 09:08:12 AM
Why should it hurt you? You don't know him or her? He or she should be irrelevant. Like what you like. Dislike what you dislike. I think the formula is really pretty simple.
Because I am a human being, not a robot. Many are shocked and hurt when I tell what I think about Beethoven's orchestration skills.
Anyway, I am curious about Franck's D minor. Many seem to like it.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Because I am a human being, not a robot. Many are shocked and hurt when I tell what I think about Beethoven's orchestration skills.
Anyway, I am curious about Franck's D minor. Many seem to like it.
Do you think I'm not human? I don't think any are hurt by your thoughts about Beethoven. Don't overestimate yourself.
I found it very enjoyable.
Quote from: Philoctetes on July 26, 2008, 09:33:30 AM
Do you think I'm not human? I don't think any are hurt by your thoughts about Beethoven. Don't overestimate yourself.
I found it very enjoyable.
You must be human because artificial intelligence that good does not exist yet. I don't overestimate myself, it is a fact people have been shocked because of my opinions (they have been drinking morning coffee while reading my post and...)
Franck D minor next year, I hope...
Hmm I went out for a few hours and look where this discussion has gone.
Anyway 71dB you shouldn't really ask a rhetorical question like: Am I an idiot because ....?
Then you are just asking for it.
Okay it was a bad joke, sorry.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 03:32:14 AM
I ask because I have learned that in the world of classical music majority/historical tradition defines how things are, not people who think differently.
Then maybe you've learned wrong, because it is a simplifying generalization. As George pointed out:
Quote from: George on July 26, 2008, 04:05:54 AM
Not so. Beethoven sure thought differently.
AND Mahler thought differently, too. He had his admirers, and thanks to f.i. Willem Mengelberg, Bruno Walter and Otto Klemperer his music stayed on the performing agendas. But Mahler's music only became very very popular after plusminus 1960 and the increasing amount of good stereo recordings by f.i. Bernstein, Abravanel, Haitink and Kubelik.
During his lifetime, Mahler was mostly admired for his conducting skills and opera interpretations.
In Beethoven's time, people (including 'real' music lovers) preferred to go to operas and concerts by resp. Rossini and Paganini.
As said by many other members before (I guess):
I like Elgar the most is another statement than
Elgar is the best composer of all times. Period.The first statement is a
fact, the second statement is an
opinion. And people can disagree with an opinion. So just relax and enjoy as much Elgar and Nielsen as you like. People who dislike Elgar may have their reasons for that. Maybe they just expect something else from 'good' music.
Let them enjoy their Beethoven and/or Mahler. :)
I must admit though, that I listened to some more Elgar the last year-and-a-half, thankx to the interesting :D threads about him. So I should thank you for that!
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 09:01:02 AM
However, many other seem to be trapped to the silly thought that Elgar is a clown in British music history and are unable to enjoy his music. Sad.
There's no evidence that many think Elgar a clown. For a long time now, you've been thinking that depreciating remarks about you also apply to Elgar, and that's simply not true. Elgar is generally considered one of the major British composers; you are considered the clown for the ridiculous statements you have made over the past many months.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 07:09:11 AM
I don't care if liking Elgar makes me an idiot.
That has nothing to do with "liking Elgar". Just being yourself is enough.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Many are shocked and hurt when I tell what I think about Beethoven's orchestration skills.
Nobody is "hurt or shocked" by your "free-thinking". I think it's more a feeling of pity that most people have when they read your posts.
I don't understand why you insist on making a fool out of yourself publically. Most of the contributions you post about sound engineering, when that comes up, show that you have some solid knowledge in that area. However, when it comes to music, you really have next to nothing of interest to say. As an engineer, you should know that it is important that you actually understand what you are talking about. Which you don't, when it comes to music. You are just contributing noise. There is nothing shocking about that. It's just annoying. And boring.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 26, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Many are shocked and hurt when I tell what I think about Beethoven's orchestration skills.
Anyway, I am curious about Franck's D minor. Many seem to like it.
Yes, but you are a revolutionary and shocking "free-thinker". So what do you care what many others like or not?
Quote from: Philoctetes on July 25, 2008, 09:28:39 PM
D'Indy's symphonies often go unmentioned, but they are well worth the time. Think of them like Mahler, but much more lush, and bigger.
Now that I think a little more about it, the Chausson Symphony if B Flat is pretty good, too.
Quote from: Marc on July 26, 2008, 11:55:11 AM
I like Elgar the most is another statement than Elgar is the best composer of all times. Period.
The first statement is a fact, the second statement is an opinion. And people can disagree with an opinion. So just relax and enjoy as much Elgar and Nielsen as you like. People who dislike Elgar may have their reasons for that. Maybe they just expect something else from 'good' music.
Let them enjoy their Beethoven and/or Mahler.
Well, Beethoven has composed amazing music (string quartets) but as a symphonist I don't enjoy him as much as I enjoy Elgar or Nielsen.
Quote from: Marc on July 26, 2008, 11:55:11 AMI must admit though, that I listened to some more Elgar the last year-and-a-half, thankx to the interesting :D threads about him. So I should thank you for that!
That's good to hear Marc. ;)
Quote from: RebLem on July 27, 2008, 02:09:56 AM
Now that I think a little more about it, the Chausson Symphony if B Flat is pretty good, too.
Yeah, for some reason those two are seemingly always overlooked. Perhaps because they really weren't considered symphonic composers. All very lovely though; their music that is.
Quote from: RebLem on July 27, 2008, 02:09:56 AM
Now that I think a little more about it, the Chausson Symphony if B Flat is pretty good, too.
I should revisit it; very nice recording on the Mercury Living Presence reissue of
Paul Paray and the
Detroiters.
Honestly (and nice though I do remember the music), I don't recall being impressed with it to such a degree that I should be indignant over its omission from a "100 Greatest" list.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 28, 2008, 07:51:44 AM
I should revisit it; very nice recording on the Mercury Living Presence reissue of Paul Paray and the Detroiters.
Honestly (and nice though I do remember the music), I don't recall being impressed with it to such a degree that I should be indignant over its omission from a "100 Greatest" list.
One always has a cause for indignation.
Quote from: 71 dB on July 27, 2008, 02:27:54 AM
Well, Beethoven has composed amazing music (string quartets) but as a symphonist I don't enjoy him as much as I enjoy Elgar or Nielsen.
Well, you may not
enjoy the symphonies as well as you do other composers. But
Beethoven's symphonies are amazing for their time; and while one doesn't need to hear them every year at
Symphony, they are certainly enjoyable listening from time to time.
Quote from: Don on July 21, 2008, 10:33:24 AM
They sure do, and the popularity of American Idol is sufficient evidence. If I had to listen every day to the crap music they play on that show, I'd need physical restraints.
lol love this post
i used to watch that show with my family every night, mainly for the first part of the season just because it was funny to watch the bad singers and Simon's reaction.
but listening to the music, i just can't help but be mystified at how anyone is even moved emotionally by this stuff.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 28, 2008, 07:53:49 AM
Well, you may not enjoy the symphonies as well as you do other composers. But Beethoven's symphonies are amazing for their time; and while one doesn't need to hear them every year at Symphony, they are certainly enjoyable listening from time to time.
yeah, don't listen too much or you just might drive yourself insane ;D
(dodges a thousand bullets and several army tanks)
It's impossible to say, since there are new symphonies being written by modern composers each day.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 28, 2008, 07:53:49 AM
Well, you may not enjoy the symphonies as well as you do other composers. But Beethoven's symphonies are amazing for their time.
Yes,
Beethoven's symphonies were pioneer stuff back then but that kind of "novelty" tends to die out with time. It didn't take more than Berlioz to make Beethoven's orchestration sound "primitive" compared to the revolutionary musical ideas (at least to my ears).
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on July 29, 2008, 09:34:46 AM
yeah, don't listen too much or you just might drive yourself insane ;D
(dodges a thousand bullets and several army tanks)
I don't think I could ever get tired of the 3rd or 8th (my two favorites).
Quote from: Corey on July 29, 2008, 04:34:04 PM
I don't think I could ever get tired of the 3rd or 8th (my two favorites).
While I could not listen to any of them in "To Destruction" mode, each of the nine sounds fresh to me when I revisit it. There is ample music written a hundred years later than
Beethoven, I could not say so much for.
Quote from: Corey on July 29, 2008, 04:34:04 PM
I don't think I could ever get tired of the 3rd or 8th (my two favorites).
How tastes differ... I find 8th to be boring to the point of tedious >:D (granted I only have Masur/Gewandhausorchester), the 7th, one the other hand, is my favorite after the 6th.
Quote from: orbital on July 30, 2008, 04:19:57 AM
How tastes differ... I find 8th to be boring to the point of tedious >:D (granted I only have Masur/Gewandhausorchester), the 7th, one the other hand, is my favorite after the 6th.
And I prefer the 2nd. So the only clear inference that can be made from this is: That you are all simply mongrels.
Quote from: orbital on July 30, 2008, 04:19:57 AM
How tastes differ... I find 8th to be boring to the point of tedious >:D (granted I only have Masur/Gewandhausorchester), the 7th, one the other hand, is my favorite after the 6th.
Yeah, if I only had to listen to one Beethoven symphony, it'd definitely be the 7th. 0:)
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on July 30, 2008, 06:22:49 AM
Yeah, if I only had to listen to one Beethoven symphony, it'd definitely be the . . . .
Fourth
Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on July 30, 2008, 06:22:49 AM
Yeah, if I only had to listen to one Beethoven symphony, it'd definitely be the...
Third.
;D
I love this!
A tie. 7th and 3rd. ;D
3,4,5,6,7
Sixth
Quote from: karlhenning on July 31, 2008, 04:13:37 AM
Was listening to this one just last night.
8)
I always find it to be a breath of fresh air.
7th, or maybe the 8th, or maybe the 3rd, or maybe the 4th.
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on July 01, 2008, 10:56:43 PM
...
The following is my list, which is really a most unusual creature: Heavily informed by personal preference, but also much concerned with critical consensus and popularity, as well as the need for variety. Some items are included due to their novelty factor. In other words, the list should not be regarded as indicative of anything serious, but rather a mere attempt by a music enthusiast with too much time at hand to have some fun. Here goes:
(* indicates my top pick when two or more symphonies by the same composer are listed).
Mozart: Symphony No. 35 in D Major, "Haffner"; Symphony No. 40 in G Minor; Symphony No. 41 in C Major, "Jupiter"*
Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 in E Flat Major, "Eroica"*; Symphony No. 6 in F Major, "Pastorale"; Symphony No. 7 in A Major; Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, "Choral"
Schubert: Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, "Unfinished"; Symphony No. 9 in C Major*
Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 4 in A Major, "Italian"
Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E Flat Major, "Rhenish"*; Symphony No. 4 in D Minor (1941 version)
Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor; Symphony No. 3 in F Major; Symphony No. 4 in E Minor*
Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 in E Flat Major, "Romantic"; Symphony No. 7 in E Major; Symphony No. 8 in C Minor*; Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, "Unfinished"
Mahler: Symphony No. 1 in D Major, "Titan"; Symphony No. 5 in C Sharp Minor; Symphony No. 8 in E Flat Major, "Symphony of a Thousand"; Symphony No. 9 in D Major*
R. Strauss: An Alpine Symphony
Hindemith: Mathis der Maler
Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique*; Harold en Italie
Alkan: Symphony for Solo Piano (from 12 Etudes in Minor Keys)
Franck: Symphony in D Minor
Chausson: Symphony in B Flat Major
Lalo: Symphony in G Minor
Bizet: Symphony in C Major
Dukas: Symphony in C Major
Saint-Saens: Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, "Organ"
D'Indy: Symphony on a French Mountain Air
Debussy: La Mer, three symphonic sketches – Can't resist ;D
Roussel: Symphony No. 1 in D Minor, "Le poème de la forêt"; Symphony No. 3 in G Minor*
Schmitt: Symphony No. 2
Magnard: Symphony No. 3 in B Flat Minor; Symphony No. 4 in C Sharp Minor*
Tournemire: Symphony No. 3 in D Major, "Moscou"; Symphony No. 8, "Le triomphe de la mort"
Dupre: Symphony in G Minor for Organ and Orchestra
Honegger: Symphony No. 2 in D Major; Symphony No. 3, "Liturgique"*
Milhaud: Symphony No. 8, "Rhodanienne"
Francaix: Symphony No. 3
Messiaen: Turangalila Symphony
Dutilleux: Symphony No. 2, "Le Double"
Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor; Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, "Pathetique"*
Rachmaninov: The Bells
Borodin: Symphony No. 2 in B Minor
Taneyev: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor
Stravinsky: Symphony in C; Symphony in Three Movements*
Myaskovsky: Symphony No. 6 in E Flat Minor
Prokofiev: Symphony No. 1 in D Major, "Classical"; Symphony No. 6 in E Flat Minor; Symphony No. 7 in C Sharp Minor*
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D Minor; Symphony No. 8 in C Minor, "Stalingrad"*; Symphony No. 13 in B Flat Minor, "Babi Yar"
Silvestrov: Symphony No. 5
Berwald: Symphony No. 3 in C Major, "Sinfonie Singulière"
Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor; Symphony No. 6 in D Minor; Symphony No. 7 in C Major*
Alfven: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, "From The Outermost Skerries"
Atterberg: Symphony No. 6 in C Major, "Dollar"
Stenhammar: Symphony No. 2 in G Minor
Nielsen: Symphony No. 2, "The Four Temperaments"*; Symphony No. 3, "Sinfonia espansiva"; Symphony No. 4, "The Inextinguishable"
Pettersson: Symphony No. 7
Rautavaara: Symphony No. 7, "Angel of Light"
Copland: Symphony No. 3*; Symphony for Organ and Orchestra
Ives: Holidays Symphony
Bernstein: Symphony No. 2, "The Age of Anxiety"*; Symphony No. 3, "Kaddish"
Harris: Symphony No. 3
Rochberg: Symphony No. 5
Rorem: Symphony No. 1
Elgar: Symphony No. 2 in E Flat Major
Walton: Symphony No. 1 in B Flat Minor
Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 3, "Pastoral"; Symphony No. 6 in E Minor*; Symphony No. 9 in E Minor
Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor; Symphony No. 8 in G Major*; Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, "From The New World"
Suk: Symphony in C Minor, "Asrael"
Szymanowski: Symphony No. 3, "Song of the Night"
Gorecki: Symphony No. 3, "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs"
Lilburn: Symphony No. 2
McPhee: Symphony No. 2, "Pastorale"
Tan Dun: Heaven Earth Mankind
I just go around to reading this, sorry for the delay. What a marvelous list -- I've got some listening ahead of me. :D
Quote from: karlhenning on July 16, 2008, 07:46:53 AM
Only the list includes second-string Beethoven, which should yield place to non-Beethoven first-string symphonies.
With apology, I come late to this discuss. As a relative beginner myself, I must say I completely agree with karlhenning on this point.
Regarding my personal beginner's compilation, (see below), people have said to me, "Do you mean to say that
Elliott Carter's Symphonia: sum fluxae pretium spei is better than [for instance] Beethoven's First Symphony?" Not necessarily, but that isn't the point.
Quote from: karlhenning on July 30, 2008, 06:26:42 AM
Fourth
I'm with you, Karl. If I could keep only one Beethoven symphony, it'd be the Fourth (if I could keep only one Beethoven album, it'd be Hogwood's Fourth).
This is a horrible exercise which I have resisted until now....but if I was forced to chose :)
My current list which will change regularly I know and is a mixture of all-time favourites plus representatives of composers I love and is entirely from Beethoven onwards-
Beethoven- Nos. 3, 5, 6, 7, 9
Schubert- Nos. 8, 9
Schumann- No.4
Brahms- Nos. 1, 4
Bruckner- Nos. 7, 8, 9
Mahler- Nos. 1, 2
R.Strauss- Alpine Symphony
Schmidt- No.4
Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique
Saint-Saens- No.3
Magnard- No.4
Honegger- No.3
Landowski- No.4
Dvorak- Nos. 7, 9
Foerster- No.4
Panufnik- No.9
Gorecki- No.3
Penderecki- No.2
Sibelius- Nos. 3, 4, 5, 7
Nielsen- Nos. 3, 4, 5
Rosenberg- No.6
Pettersson- No.7
Tubin- Nos. 2, 8, 9
Holmboe- No. 9
Rautavaara- No.3
Sallinen- No. 3
Aho- Nos. 1, 10
Tchaikovsky- Nos. 4, 6
Prokofiev- Nos. 1, 6
Shostakovich- Nos. 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 15
Gliere- No.3
Miaskovsky- No.6
Silvestrov- No.5
Copland- No.3
Barber- No.1
Harris- Nos. 3, 5
Piston- No.2
W.Schuman-Nos. 3, 6
Mennin- No.3
Rochberg- No.5
Vaughan Williams- Nos. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Bax- No.6
Brian- Nos. 1, 16
Rubbra- Nos. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Walton- No.1
Alwyn- Nos. 3, 5
Frankel- No.2
Lloyd- No.7
Searle- No.2
Arnell- Nos. 3, 4, 5
Arnold- Nos. 3, 9
Simpson- Nos. 2, 4, 9
Hoddinott No.6
Braga Santos- Nos. 2, 4
but I hate having to leave out composers like Tournemire, Lajtha, Saeverud, Hanson, Daniel Jones etc etc.......
Still, this is all nonsense anyway, isn't it.....? :)
Among those composers not already listed, I'de include Sauguet (1), Langgaard (1, 2), Koppel (7), Egge (1), Nystroem (3), Heininen (3) Eliasson (1), Kancheli (4, 5, 6 or 7 - hard to choose as they are in very different styles), Vainberg (at least a couple of them, but TBH I'm not sure exactly which ones - time for a re-play!).
Of course a "100 greatest list" is pointless for so many reasons... But, there is some validity in uncovering new composers, new works, new styles. I'd rather list 100 "great" symphonies, and would choose a maximum of two works per composer. For the sake of diversity. Which is just as pointless as any such list, I guess... :D
So many good ones, so little time...
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on October 21, 2008, 07:33:44 AM
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Of course a "100 greatest list" is pointless for so many reasons... But, there is some validity in uncovering new composers, new works, new styles. I'd rather list 100 "great" symphonies, and would choose a maximum of two works per composer. For the sake of diversity. Which is just as pointless as any such list, I guess... :D
So many good ones, so little time...
Indeed. I've really enjoyed the thread because it has mentioned some composers I haven't heard, (or heard of). I never was hung up on the "great
est" terminology.
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Pointless?
5871 now :) :)
Totally...of course ;D But diverting fun for those who engaged in it :)
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 28, 2008, 07:18:20 AM
5871 now :) :)
Totally...of course ;D But diverting fun for those who engaged in it :)
That would make it a divertimento, then !
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Who has time for that?
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on October 30, 2008, 05:03:26 PM
That would make it a divertimento, then !
or a Divertissement? :)
Quote from: Catison on October 30, 2008, 05:28:36 PM
Who has time for that?
Well I doubt if it is one person ;D
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 30, 2008, 05:32:50 PM
Well I doubt if it is one person ;D
I'm just telling you the directions the forum gives me. How should I have time to read a thread that many times?
Quote from: Feanor on October 19, 2008, 06:15:49 AM
I just go around to reading this, sorry for the delay. What a marvelous list -- I've got some listening ahead of me. :D
Anyway I would be suspicious of the Schumann 4th in the 1941 version.
Quote from: mn dave on June 12, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
1. Symphony No. 9 in D minor "Choral" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
2. Symphony No. 5 in C minor – Ludwig Van Beethoven
3. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major "Eroica" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
4. Symphony No. 6 in B minor "Pathetique" – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
5. Symphony No. 41 in C major "Jupiter" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
6. Symphony No. 9 in E minor "From The New World" – Antonin Dvorak
7. Symphony No. 6 in F major "Pastorale" – Ludwig Van Beethoven
8. Symphony No. 40 in G minor – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
9. Symphony No. 4 in E minor – Johannes Brahms
10. Symphony No. 9 in C major "The Great" – Franz Schubert
11. Symphonie Fantastique – Hector Berlioz
12. Symphony No. 8 in B minor "Unfinished" – Franz Schubert
13. Symphony No. 5 in C sharp minor – Gustav Mahler
14. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Jean Sibelius
15. Symphony No. 7 in A major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
16. Symphony No. 2 in C minor "Resurrection" – Gustav Mahler
17. Symphony No. 10 in E minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
18. Symphony No. 5 in D minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
19. Symphony No. 3 in F major – Johannes Brahms
20. Symphony No. 39 in E flat major – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
21. Symphony No. 7 in E major "Lyric" – Anton Bruckner
22. Symphony No. 4 in F minor – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
23. Symphony No. 1 in C minor – Johannes Brahms
24. Symphony No. 9 in D major – Gustav Mahler
25. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major "Romantic" – Anton Bruckner
26. Symphony No. 4 in A major "Italian" – Felix Mendelssohn
27. Symphony No. 38 in D major "Prague" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
28. Symphony No. 3 in C minor "Organ" – Camille Saint Saens
29. Symphony No. 94 in G major "Surprise" – Joseph Haydn
30. Symphony No. 101 in D major "The Clock" – Joseph Haydn
31. Symphony No. 5 in B flat major – Serge Prokofiev
32. Symphony No. 5 in E minor – Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky
33. Symphony No. 104 in D major "London" – Joseph Haydn
34. Symphony No. 9 in D minor – Anton Bruckner
35. Symphony No. 5 in E flat major – Jean Sibelius
36. Mathis der Maler – Paul Hindemith
37. Symphony No. 1 in D major "Classical" – Serge Prokofiev
38. Symphony No. 8 in C minor – Anton Bruckner
39. Symphony No. 8 in G major – Antonin Dvorak
40. Symphony No. 7 in D minor – Antonin Dvorak
41. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Johannes Brahms
42. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major "Rhenish" – Robert Schumann
43. Symphony No. 2 in E minor – Sergei Rachmaninoff
44. Symphony No. 4 in B flat major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
45. Symphony in D minor – Cesar Franck
46. Symphony No. 100 in G major "Military" – Joseph Haydn
47. Symphony No. 4 in D major – Gustav Mahler
48. Symphony No. 8 in E flat major "Symphony Of A Thousand" – Gustav Mahler
49. Symphony No. 2 in G major "London" – Ralph Vaughan Williams
50. Symphony No. 1 "Titan" in D major – Gustav Mahler
51. Symphony No. 103 in E flat major "Drum Roll" – Joseph Haydn
52. Symphony No. 8 in F major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
53. Symphony No. 5 – Carl Nielsen
54. Symphony No. 5 in D major – Ralph Vaughan Williams
55. Symphony No. 3 in A minor "Scottish" – Felix Mendelssohn
56. Symphony No. 1 in F minor – Dmitri Shostakovich
57. Symphony No. 7 in C major – Jean Sibelius
58. Symphony No. 4 in F minor – Ralph Vaughan Williams
59. Symphony No. 1 in B flat major "Spring" – Robert Schumann
60. Symphony No. 45 in F sharp minor "Farewell" – Joseph Haydn
61. Symphony No. 3 in D minor – Gustav Mahler
62. Symphony No. 92 in G major "Oxford" – Joseph Haydn
63. Symphony No. 3 "The Camp Meeting" – Charles Ives
64. Symphony No. 35 in D major "Haffner" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
65. Symphony No. 1 in E minor – Jean Sibelius
66. Symphony No. 4 in A minor – Jean Sibelius
67. Symphony No. 88 in G major – Joseph Haydn
68. Symphony No. 1 in A flat major – Edward Elgar
69. Symphony No. 6 in A minor "Tragic" – Gustav Mahler
70. Symphony No. 7 in E minor "Song of the Night" – Gustav Mahler
71. Symphony No. 4 – Charles Ives
72. Symphony No. 4 in D minor – Robert Schumann
73. Symphony No. 3 – Aaron Copland
74. Symphony No. 29 in A major – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
75. Symphony No. 4 "Inextinguishable" – Carl Nielsen
76. Symphony in Three Movements – Igor Stravinsky
77. Symphony No. 5 in B flat major – Franz Schubert
78. Symphony No. 36 in C major "Linzer" – Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
79. Symphony No. 1 in B flat minor – William Walton
80. Turangalila Symphony – Oliver Messiaen
81. Symphony No. 5 in B flat major – Anton Bruckner
82. Symphony No. 3 for soprano or tenor & orchestra "Pastoral" – Ralph Vaughan Williams
83. Symphony No. 102 in B flat major – Joseph Haydn
84. Symphony No. 3 "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs" – Henryk Gorecki
85. Harold en Italie – Hector Berlioz
86. Symphony No. 2 – Charles Ives
87. Symphony No. 2 in C major – Robert Schumann
88. Faust Symphony – Franz Liszt
89. Symphony in C major – Georges Bizet
90. Symphony No. 3"Sinfonia Espansiva" – Carl Nielsen
91. Symphony No. 8 in C minor "Stalingrad" – Dmitri Shostakovich
92. Symphony No. 4 in C major "Poem of Ecstasy" – Alexander Scriabin
93. Symphony No. 2 in D major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
94. Symphony No. 1 in C major – Ludwig Van Beethoven
95. Symphony No. 2 in B minor – Alexander Borodin
96. Chamber Symphony No. 1 in E major – Arnold Schoenberg
97. Symphony No. 6 in E minor – Ralph Vaughan Williams
98. Symphony No. 7 in C major "Leningrad" – Dmitri Shostakovich
99. Symphony No. 6 in D minor – Antonin Dvorak
100. Symphony No. 14 for soprano, bass, strings, and percussion – Dmitri Shostakovich
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best-classic-symp.html
The Bruckner 9 at 34. Now
that's pretty stupid. Tchaikovsky's 6th is so high it
s kind of laughable. Mahler was pretty ill-served here as well. Oh well, it's all
opinion, right?
Quote from: AndyD. on November 04, 2008, 02:40:37 PM
The Bruckner 9 at 34. Now that's pretty stupid.
How about Bruckner's 8th? ;) Any Bruckner symphony could be in the Top 20 or near. But, that is just one man's opinion. 0:)
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 04, 2008, 03:30:15 PM
How about Bruckner's 8th? ;) Any Bruckner symphony could be in the Top 20 or near. But, that is just one man's opinion. 0:)
For me, it takes up much more than that! My favourites are: 5th, 7th, 8th.
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 04, 2008, 03:30:15 PM
How about Bruckner's 8th? ;) Any Bruckner symphony could be in the Top 20 or near. But, that is just one man's opinion. 0:)
One that I completly agree with. The 7th should be way up there as well. I'm not sure what those people were thinking.
A Chronology of the Symphony (http://home.earthlink.net/~kgann/Symphony.html)
Quote from: AndyD. on November 04, 2008, 05:25:03 PM
One that I completly agree with. The 7th should be way up there as well. I'm not sure what those people were thinking.
I agree. I'd like to put the 6th up there, too. It's a little bit odd even by Brucknerian standards, though, so I guess it's just a favorite.
:-\
Quote from: drogulus on November 08, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
I agree. I'd like to put the 6th up there, too. It's a little bit odd even by Brucknerian standards, though, so I guess it's just a favorite. :-\
I'd daresay
all of Bruckner's symphonies have something going for them (including the Nullte).
Quote from: mn dave on November 05, 2008, 04:49:39 PM
A Chronology of the Symphony (http://home.earthlink.net/~kgann/Symphony.html)
Thanks for the reference! :D
Quote from: mn dave on November 05, 2008, 04:49:39 PM
A Chronology of the Symphony (http://home.earthlink.net/~kgann/Symphony.html)
Any chance of you making it readable by removing the confusing background?
Quote from: Feanor on November 09, 2008, 04:23:48 AM
Thanks for the reference! :D
You are welcome. Came across it in my webby wanderings.
Quote from: mn dave on November 09, 2008, 05:21:51 AM
You are welcome. Came across it in my webby wanderings.
Thought it was your site. OK - copy and paste into a word document removed the background.,
Those aren't "songs".
Quote from: Christi on December 02, 2008, 03:25:05 PM
[quote 46. Symphony No. 100 in G major "Military" – Joseph Haydn
51. Symphony No. 103 in E flat major "Drum Roll" – Joseph Haydn
70. Symphony No. 7 in E minor "Song of the Night" – Gustav Mahler
Are those good songs ?
If you're not a bot, you ought to be able to use the quote function properly.
Quote from: Christi on December 02, 2008, 03:25:05 PM
Are those good songs ?
Could be time for the "these are not songs" conversation . . . .
Quote from: Christi on December 02, 2008, 03:25:05 PM
[quote 46. Symphony No. 100 in G major "Military" – Joseph Haydn
51. Symphony No. 103 in E flat major "Drum Roll" – Joseph Haydn
70. Symphony No. 7 in E minor "Song of the Night" – Gustav Mahler
Are those good songs ?
They make me smiley, fuzzy, and all happy inside. I hope they do that to you, too. :)
These are not the songs the whole world sings.
Quote from: drogulus on December 03, 2008, 01:50:17 PM
These are not the songs the whole world sings.
But I like to buy the world a Coke, and keep in harmony.
Quote from: AndyD. on January 18, 2009, 03:03:16 PM
But I like to buy the world a Coke, and keep in harmony.
Still the peacemaker, I see. It's nice that some things never change.
I propose Symphony # 2 - "Indian"
by Carlos Chávez
Quote from: epicous on January 21, 2009, 08:39:53 AM
I propose Symphony # 2 - "Indian"
by Carlos Chávez
... and #4 - Romantic.