Simple: "What's Opera, Doc?" If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him. If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh
Wagner fans don't laugh.
Quote from: bricon on June 24, 2008, 03:41:39 PM
Wagner fans don't laugh.
At anything?
http://www.youtube.com/v/6lKUOhvdlug
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 24, 2008, 03:42:39 PM
At anything?
No, you rascal. How could true Wagnerites ever laugh after having experienced the sacred mysteries, which "[signify] the morning consecration on the day of battle"? No, the business of the Wagnerite is far too important to dilute with frivolities, except the Master's
Meistersinger, which is the only real expression of comedy in the modern age - a monument to mirth that stands tall among the giant edifices erected by Aristophanes, Menander, Plautus, and Terence - and hardly frivolous.
No. The Wagnerite never laughs, not while the Master's work needs doing somewhere.
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple: "What's Opera, Doc?" If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him. If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D
Aside from being a somewhat silly test...which of course you meant to be, I PRESUME!...the status of Wagner as GOD has NOT been infringed since it's very likely that he too would have gotten a chuckle out of it! I always have even in the days when I used to be a fanatic...long gone even though the effect is still potent! >:D
What's more endearing: the real Ring or the cartoon version? ;D
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple: "What's Opera, Doc?" If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him. If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D
I hate that cartoon.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on June 24, 2008, 05:39:43 PM
I hate that cartoon.
Jo--the test has been validated!
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 24, 2008, 04:44:42 PM
a monument to mirth that stands tall among the giant edifices erected by Aristophanes, Menander, Plautus, and Terence
You left out Carrot Top.
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 24, 2008, 05:45:21 PM
You left out Carrot Top.
Who was but a pale imitator of that genius, Gallagher.
I don't like it, but I also don't have much time for Wagner - does this make me a closet Wagnerian?
Quote from: Lethe on June 24, 2008, 06:08:24 PM
I don't like it, but I also don't have much time for Wagner - does this make me a closet Wagnerian?
Not at all. A closet Wagnerian sneaks CDs of Parsifal into the bathroom and then emerges hours later claiming he was only reading the interviews in the booklet.
Quote from: Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
Not at all. A closet Wagnerian sneaks CDs of Parsifal into the bathroom and then emerges hours later claiming he was only reading the interviews in the booklet.
We've all been there.
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple: "What's Opera, Doc?" If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him. If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D
Much like Tannhauser, I am beyond redemption.............
marvin
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 25, 2008, 01:43:12 AM
Much like Tannhauser, I am beyond redemption.............
marvin
Well, the pope's staff
did bloom at the end, prompting that final chorus...
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 25, 2008, 01:43:12 AM
Much like Tannhauser, I am beyond redemption.............
marvin
Goodness me marvin: redemption in Wagner is as Funeral Marches to Mahler. Tannhauser was redeemed.
Mike
Quote from: max on June 24, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
...the status of Wagner as GOD has NOT been infringed ....
Sharp downtick in the Humor Index, only slightly compensated for by a boost in the shares of International Loonies Ltd
The most devoted Wagnerian I know thinks that cartoon is hysterical. It seems to me that anyone who truly understands Wagner's achievement -- or anyone's achievement -- should be secure enough ion their opinion to take some good-natured ribbing about it. Parody, when done as well and as affectionately as it is here, is no threat.
Kill da Wabbit!
Kill da Wabbit!
Kill da Wabbit!
I would think that if something were worth parodying it'd have to be pretty good to start with. And fairly widely known so most folks would get the meaning.
Something obscure like The Cunning Little Wabbit would fall pretty flat in the laughter department...
...then again those Looney Tunes® folks were pretty talented...
Quote from: donwyn on June 25, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
Something obscure like The Cunning Little Wabbit would fall pretty flat in the laughter department...
How about
Wabbowwetto?
Quote from: donwyn on June 25, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
I would think that if something were worth parodying it'd have to be pretty good to start with. And fairly widely known so most folks would get the meaning.
Something obscure like The Cunning Little Wabbit would fall pretty flat in the laughter department...
Are you saying that Vixen 'wasn't pretty good to start with'? >:( >:( ;D ;D $:) $:)
Of course, that's one opera with a
very close link to the world of cartoons, having been inspired by one.
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
Are you saying that Vixen 'wasn't pretty good to start with'? >:( >:( ;D ;D $:) $:)
;D
No, no...
But does this mean you aren't consumed with all things Janacek and could actually sit idly through a cartoon parody of Vixen? Without squirming?
Or would the Janacek fanatic in you come out and start a rampage at such a sight??
It's like the Wagner fanatic test...only the Janacek fanatic test! ;D
Quote from: lukeottevanger on June 26, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
Are you saying that Vixen 'wasn't pretty good to start with'? >:( >:( ;D ;D $:) $:)
Of course, that's one opera with a very close link to the world of cartoons, having been inspired by one.
But to genuinely answer your question, I just meant that since Vixen was so obscure back then (and now?) a parody of it probably would have gone over the heads of the general cinema-going public. The potential for satire would've been lost since hardly anybody would've known from whence the inspiration/source sprang. Not that it wouldn't have been funny, or clever...just nowhere near as potent.
Unlike the Wagner which I'm sure was judged a pretty safe box office bet. All those characters in funny Viking hats and wacky undergarments worn on the outside were pretty familiar points of reference.
Quote from: karlhenning on June 26, 2008, 05:53:16 AM
How about Wabbowwetto?
Less Italian, more Fwench, if you please...
I am a Wagnerian, but I had a good laugh.
Although I took exception to Bunnyhilde and Siegfried singing to music from Tannhäuser. A shame!
Quote from: Jezetha on June 27, 2008, 12:21:34 AM
I am a Wagnerian, but I had a good laugh.
Why, certainly! There are Wagnerians, Wagnerites, & Wagnerrhoids.
The Wagnerian admires the (musical) work of Wagner, but does not imagine that the musical sun rose and set with Wagner.
The Wagnerite's reason is already a bit clouded with the imagination that with Wagner, the dramatic art supposedly reached a peak, to which it ne'er shall aspire ever again. The sense of humor is at risk, but not yet entirely disabled.
The Wagnerrhoid has slipped into the zone where the intensity of his admiration for and obsession with The Master makes him a delightfully amusing parody.
Impeccable taxonomy, Karl. ;D
Quote from: karlhenning on June 27, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
Why, certainly! There are Wagnerians, Wagnerites, & Wagnerrhoids.
The Wagnerian admires the (musical) work of Wagner, but does not imagine that the musical sun rose and set with Wagner.
The Wagnerite's reason is already a bit clouded with the imagination that with Wagner, the dramatic art supposedly reached a peak, to which it ne'er shall aspire ever again. The sense of humor is at risk, but not yet entirely disabled.
The Wagnerrhoid has slipped into the zone where the intensity of his admiration for and obsession with The Master makes him a delightfully amusing parody.
I can't "pecc" at those daffynitions either. ;D And by them, I must class myself as "Wagnerian." But I still laugh at "What's Opera, Doc?" 8)
Quote from: karlhenning on June 27, 2008, 03:18:15 AM
The Wagnerian admires the (musical) work of Wagner, but does not imagine that the musical sun rose and set with Wagner.
Rest assured that the actual Sun in its space and time is not governed by Wagner $:). That said, somehow, as if by divine intervention, the rest of my music collection (Bach, Beethoven Mozart, Brahms et al.) tends to rotate around Wagner in much the same way Mercury, Venus, Earth et al rotate around the sun 0:).
marvin
Quote from: Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
Not at all. A closet Wagnerian sneaks CDs of Parsifal into the bathroom and then emerges hours later claiming he was only reading the interviews in the booklet.
That's what I used to do. These days, though, I sneak CDs of
Pelleas et Melisande into the bathroom and then emerge hours latter claiming I was only looking at photos of Mary Garden in the booklet.
Re the cartoon: It is funny, but not elegant enough for my taste. >:D
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 27, 2008, 01:44:07 PM
Rest assured that the actual Sun in its space and time is not governed by Wagner
It was a kindly thought,
Marvin; but fear not, I have never been in the least doubt on this point ;D