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I've loved the instrumental works of Tomaso Albinoni (1671-1751) for many years, and in checking out the 'composer's index' saw no dedicated entry for him.  A short Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomaso_Albinoni) provides an introduction to this Venetian Baroque composer, who was most famous in his day for writing operas & some just beautiful instrumental works, including some gorgeous adagios.

His Oboe Concertos have always enthralled me, and I just acquired the 3-CD set from Brilliant (shown below) - these contain the 'Complete' Op. 7 & 9 works, which comprise 24 concerti; however, the title is misleading, in that 8 of these works are Violin Concertos (4 in each opus), and 4 are missing in this offering - but, all of the oboe works are included - the MusicWeb Review (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2006/Jan06/Albinoni_oboe_92791.htm) gives an excellent accounting of these performances; but what is surprising is that the 3rd disc is only 40  mins or so long, and could have easily accommodated the other 4 violin concertos?  ::)

Now, I have 2 other CDs of the same works:  Sarah Francis doing 8 of the oboe concertos on the Regis label, and Anthony Robson w/ Standage, only Vol. 1 (also below) - listening to the latter @ the moment, which is done on period instruments and with a different sound, so I'd like to keep the Robson (and probably pick up Vol. 2), and also the Brilliant set! 

In trying to make this decision I put together a quick spreadsheet (attached & hope it is readable) - but shows 4 of these collections and the works contained - probably will replace the Francis disc w/ the Robson, Vol. 2, for the period instruments.

I know there have been some other recordings of these oboe works mentioned before, esp. the Naxos series - so bring on any other recommendations - these are delightful works, indeed -  :D

And, of course, any other discussions about this composer & his compositions!  NOTE - * indicates the violin concertos.  :)

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Albinoni's music attracts a lot of attention from me. It's so inspired. I can recommend this disc, full of exquisit music, but that doesn't renounce to the emotion.

Quote from: Ric on September 14, 2008, 01:07:31 AM
Music's Albinoni attracts a lot of attention from me. It's so inspired. I can recommend this disc, full of exquisit music, but that doesn't renounce to the emotion.

Hi Ric and welcome to the GMG Forum!  :D  I also own the CPO disc of the Op. 1 Trio Sonatas, and support your recommendation -  :)

But, looks like this thread needs a 'jump start' - below is a list of the published 'instrumental' works of Tomaso Albinoni, put together over about a 40 year period:

Opus 1 (1694) 12 Trio Sonatas
Opus 2 (1700) 6 Sinfoniae & 6 Concerti à 5
Opus 3 (1701) 12 Baletti de Camera (à 3)
Opus 4 (1704) 6 Sonate da Chiesa for Violin & Bass
Opus 5 (1707) 12 Concertos
Opus 6 (1711) 12 Sonate da Camera for Violin & Bass
Opus 7 (1716) 12 Concertos for Strings / Oboe(s)
Opus 8 (1721) 6 Sonatas & 6 Baletti (à 3)
Opus 9 (1722) 12 Concertos for Strings / Oboe(s)
Opus 10 (1735) 12 Concertos for Violin

There are several double-CD bargain sets of a number of the Opus Numbers above not yet mentioned that are in my collection:

Op. 4 & 6 w/ the Locatelli Trio (Wallfisch on violin) on a well-done Hyperion Dyad offering & Op. 10 w/ Scimone & I Solisti Veneti on an Erato Ultima set -  :)

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Double Oboe & String Concertos, Vol. II w/ Anthony Robson & Catherine Latham + Simon Standage w/ Collegium Musicum 90 - these are wonderful perfomances on period instruments, complete my full collection of the Op. 7 & 9 compositions, and complement the Brilliant collection shown previously -  :D

Albinoni was one of the first composers to write for the oboe and did so beautifully - these are worthy of consideration - I'm surprised that that there are only two of us responding to this 'new' composer's thread - but, if others want to 'chime in' please do so, the guy wrote a bunch of music (and of course was a famous 'opera' composer of the time) -  :)

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TT thread necromancy!

Albinoni's Oboe concertos are neat.  Don't care for how he handles violin concerti though.  But he certainly has a way with the oboe.  No romanticized adagio in g minor though, just nearly galant style baroque, pleasant on the ears, not too complex but still has a bit of counterpoint to it though.

I had some of his concerti done romantically by I Musici in the past but now have Hogwood, AAM and several soloists which do a good job, but could really embellish it much more though, you know put the baroque back in Albinoni.  So besides Sonic Dave and Ric, anyone else like Albinoni? :)

And anyone know know any jazzy baroques-esque trilly renditions of Albinoni concerti?

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Well, TTT again after a 4-year dormancy - my two most recent acquisitions are shown below:

Op. 5 - 12 Concerti a cinque w/ Standage & Collegium Musicum 90 - completes the trio of recordings from this group (the others are Op. 7 & 9 w/ oboes discussed previously) - here mainly strings + theorbo & harpsichord - IF you like Baroque oboe (PIs here), then the latter recordings are highly recommended.

Op. 2 - Sinfonie a Cinque w/ Chiara Banchini & Ensemble 415 - here a smaller group w/ 2 altos (violas), 2 violins, cello, bass, theorbo, & harpsichord - just arrived today and listening for the first time; love this group on other recordings and also the label; apparently, there are 12 pieces in Albinoni's Op. 2 work; the first 6 are chamber sonatas (as performed here beautifully); the remaining 6 are more orchestral (don't own those) - an explanation & excellent comments w/ a 5* rating can be found in this AllMusic Review (http://www.allmusic.com/album/albinoni-sinfonie-a-cinque-op-2-mw0001407453) - another highly recommended recording from this lesser known Venetian!  Dave :)

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I'd give the entire oeuve of the "other Venetian" for one work of Albinoni.

The Trio Sonatas are very fine:

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and both i Musici and i Soloisti Venetia have made great recordings of the concerti, for example.

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I don't know if all installments of these series are still in print, but they are all worth hearing.

Thanks Scarpia for your comments - Albinoni's opus works are certainly of high general quality - for those interested in this composer, the CD on ZigZag that I posted previously is just outstanding - sound, performance, quality of the works, etc. and these pieces were written around 1770 and bridged the gap between Baroque and early classical chamber music - plus, on further reading, both Vivaldi & Bach studied these Op. 2 compositions, so also of historic interest for those into this transition! :)

BUT, after listening to the Ensemble 415 disc and realizing that only 6 of the 12 works were performed, I wanted the remainder - SO, did a $9 Amazon MP3 download of the recording below (approaches 80 minutes) - burned the files to a CD-R and listened tonight over my den stereo - all went well - Dave

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I have the Opus 7 recording from Holliger/I Musici.   I suppose this means I need to get the Op. 9 set!
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Quote from: Scarpia on September 23, 2013, 11:37:29 AM
The Trio Sonatas are very fine:

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I listened to that disc (arrived to me) yesterday and I liked it. Maybe not as mindblowing I expected* but good baroque music nevertheless.

* I read somewhere that Op. 1 by Albinoni is much more sophisticated and interesting music than his later works.

Maybe not mindblowing but I found it quite interesting that Albinoni in op.1 and 2 is much closer to Corelli and also considerably more "learned" and polyphonic than in the better known oboe etc. stuff opp.5/7/9.
(I think I have not heard any of his op.3,4,6). Whether this is more sophisticated than the more melodic/popular later concerti might be up for debate but it is certainly *different* and might appeal more to some listeners.

Quote from: Jo498 on December 10, 2016, 10:13:45 AM
Maybe not mindblowing but I found it quite interesting that Albinoni in op.1 and 2 is much closer to Corelli and also considerably more "learned" and polyphonic than in the better known oboe etc. stuff opp.5/7/9.

Yes, Op. 1 is closer to Corelli, but I hoped for music on par with Corelli. That was simply not realistic.  ;D

Quote from: Jo498 on December 10, 2016, 10:13:45 AM
Maybe not mindblowing but I found it quite interesting that Albinoni in op.1 and 2 is much closer to Corelli and also considerably more "learned" and polyphonic than in the better known oboe etc. stuff opp.5/7/9.
(I think I have not heard any of his op.3,4,6). Whether this is more sophisticated than the more melodic/popular later concerti might be up for debate but it is certainly *different* and might appeal more to some listeners.

Hi Jo498 - now just over 8 years ago I left the listing of Albinoni's Opus numbers (re-shown below) in an earlier post in this thread - at the moment I own about 12 CDs of his works (missing are the Opus 3 compositions) - probably my favorites are those w/ oboe - the 3 shown below (total of 5 discs) - note that the Robson recordings are from Opus 7 & 9, so a duplication, but both are quite enjoyable - SO, if you've not heard these works, then worth a try.  Dave :)

QuoteOpus 1 (1694) 12 Trio Sonatas
Opus 2 (1700) 6 Sinfoniae & 6 Concerti à 5
Opus 3 (1701) 12 Baletti de Camera (à 3)
Opus 4 (1704) 6 Sonate da Chiesa for Violin & Bass
Opus 5 (1707) 12 Concertos
Opus 6 (1711) 12 Sonate da Camera for Violin & Bass
Opus 7 (1716) 12 Concertos for Strings / Oboe(s)
Opus 8 (1721) 6 Sonatas & 6 Baletti (à 3)
Opus 9 (1722) 12 Concertos for Strings / Oboe(s)
Opus 10 (1735) 12 Concertos for Violin

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I have op.1 (cpo),2 (Sasso) and 7 and 9 (Holliger). I don't think I have ever heard any of the others.
There seems only one complete (and it claims world premiere) recording of op.3

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Albinoni: Oboe Concerto Op. 9/2 Adagio movement

This piece of music remains a perennial favourite of mine. I find it to be haunting, yearning and wistful music consisting of real beauty. A key element to a successful interpretation of the piece is pace and phrasing which determines the tone, mood and ultimate outcome and success of the performance of the piece. It is a divine piece of music and if played correctly it can lead to rapturous listening.

I have the following recordings in my collection, interestingly, all on CD with no vinyl representation here:


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There is also this wonderful YouTube video:


https://www.youtube.com/v/9IDpqUn3uYs

Incidentally, for those wishing to explore the wonderful sound world of the Albinoni Oboe Concerti for the first time I would recommend investigating Camden on Naxos


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They are on modern instruments but Camden has the measure of these works I feel.

John Jenkins: Newarke Seidge a 4 - L'Achéron directed by François Joubert-Caillet. This piece, inspired by the Siege of Newark in the English Civil War, was played on BBC Radio 3 this morning and prompted me to buy the whole album - A Consort's Monument . L'Achéron is a French ensemble but they play on English (-style) instruments, a consort of viols, a virginal and a consort organ. They took part of their inspiration (and the title of the album) from Thomas Mace's Musick's Monument (1676).

The album also contains music by Monteverdi, Coperario, William Lawes and various others.

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There is a good alternative to the version of the Op. 1 above produced by L'Arte Dell' Arco for those who may not be aware of it....


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I mentioned in a post recently enough that there is not too much between these two ensembles but if I had to choose only one set I would keep the L'Arte dell'Arco set. It has a somewhat fuller sound and the presentation is a little bit more vivacious in the Allergo sections for me.

Quote from: aligreto on April 25, 2020, 04:01:22 AM
Incidentally, for those wishing to explore the wonderful sound world of the Albinoni Oboe Concerti for the first time I would recommend investigating Camden on Naxos

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They are on modern instruments but Camden has the measure of these works I feel.

These are nice discs. I have had them ~20 years.  :)

My first exposure to Albinoni was an old Musical Heritage Society Lp:

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Pre-HIP string playing, of course, but I still have a soft spot for it.

Just looking over my Albinoni collection - there seems to be another Op. 10 recording available w/ Simon Standage on one disc (of the 12 works, Nos. 4 & 6 are missing vs. the 2-disc older set w/ Piero Toso and I Solisti Veneti, both shown below) - the Standage is available at a slight discount or as a DL at PrestoClassical (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7939833--albinoni-homage-to-a-spanish-grandee) - owning the other Standage Albinoni recordings, I suspect an enjoyable performance.  Dave :)

P.S. also available on Spotify, so will likely give the recording a listen!
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Quote from: 71 dB on April 26, 2020, 07:19:17 AM

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These are nice discs. I have had them ~20 years.  :)

I am pleased that you too enjoy them.

Quote from: Daverz on April 26, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
My first exposure to Albinoni was an old Musical Heritage Society Lp:

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Pre-HIP string playing, of course, but I still have a soft spot for it.

If I saw that LP while I was out shopping I would buy it.

Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 26, 2020, 08:46:09 AM
Just looking over my Albinoni collection - there seems to be another Op. 10 recording available w/ Simon Standage on one disc (of the 12 works, Nos. 4 & 6 are missing vs. the 2-disc older set w/ Piero Toso and I Solisti Veneti, both shown below) - the Standage is available at a slight discount or as a DL at PrestoClassical (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7939833--albinoni-homage-to-a-spanish-grandee) - owning the other Standage Albinoni recordings, I suspect an enjoyable performance.  Dave :)

P.S. also available on Spotify, so will likely give the recording a listen!
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I have no Op. 10 in my collection Dave, so I might investigate that Scimone set as I am one of those who like complete sets.

Quote from: aligreto on April 26, 2020, 08:52:26 AM
I have no Op. 10 in my collection Dave, so I might investigate that Scimone set as I am one of those who like complete sets.

Hi Aligreto - the Scimone Op. 10 recording dates from 1979 and was done in a villa in Italy - I've attached some reviews and one complained of a mild reverberant acoustic which seem complemented by another reviewer - HA!  :laugh: Bottom line - recommended, and now going 'cheap' on the Amazon MP USA!   Dave :)

Albinoni: Music for Trumpet and Organ [Schultz/Overduin]


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Here is another CD of instrumental music that may be of interest to those who like the Organ/Trumpet combination. The concertos on this CD are all arranged for those two instruments. This includes a version of my favoured Op. 9/2 above. The arrangement works well for the two outer movements but not for the adagio of this particular work I feel.

Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 26, 2020, 09:33:24 AM
Hi Aligreto - the Scimone Op. 10 recording dates from 1979 and was done in a villa in Italy - I've attached some reviews and one complained of a mild reverberant acoustic which seem complemented by another reviewer - HA!  :laugh: Bottom line - recommended, and now going 'cheap' on the Amazon MP USA!   Dave :)

Thanks Dave. I have read the attached reviews and I have put the set on my Wish List.

Albinoni: Pimpinone [Nitti]


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Albinoni was a prolific operatic composer most of which have been apparently lost. Pimpinone is the only opera of his that I have in my collection. The music is light, appealing, charming and engaging.

Quote from: aligreto on April 28, 2020, 01:42:05 AM
Albinoni: Pimpinone [Nitti]


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Albinoni was a prolific operatic composer most of which have been apparently lost. Pimpinone is the only opera of his that I have in my collection. The music is light, appealing, charming and engaging.

I have Pimpinone I this version by Scimone, and agree with your comments. I haven't listened to the Telemann opera of the same title yet.

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For some years, the Italia label (owned by Fonit-Cetra) issued some wonderful stuff (baroque, obscure romantic Italian operas, lots of contemporary music), in beautifully produced releases. With the advent of CDs, the label declined very quickly and many of its release were repackaged under the Warner-Fonit imprint (with a more "budget" feel).

Quote from: ritter on April 28, 2020, 02:09:16 AM
I have Pimpinone I this version by Scimone, and agree with your comments. I haven't listened to the Telemann opera of the same title yet.

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For some years, the Italia label (owned by Fonit-Cetra) issued some wonderful stuff (baroque, obscure romantic Italian operas, lots of contemporary music), in beautifully produced releases. With the advent of CDs, the label declined very quickly and many of its release were repackaged under the Warner-Fonit imprint (with a more "budget" feel).

That is interesting about the Italia label which I did not know of. Thank you for posting it.

Crossposting from the WAYLT thread:

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Gorgeous, spirited and idiomatic performances by this Italian ensemble, currently better known under the name "Bozen Baroque Orchestra". And if the performances themselves weren't luxurious enough, this is in beautiful state-of-art recording quality. Recommended!

Q

Quote from: Que on April 28, 2020, 05:45:50 AM
Crossposting from the WAYLT thread:

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Gorgeous, spirited and idiomatic performances by this Italian ensemble, currently better known under the name "Bozen Baroque Orchestra". And if the performances themselves weren't luxurious enough, this is complete on two discs in beautiful state-of-art recording quality. Recommended!

Q

Hi Que - I had not see the Astronio recording on Amazon the other day, but just 'popped up' - one disc w/ 4 of the Op. 10 works missing - despite owning the older Scimone 2-disc set, I put in an order to Presto a few days ago and added the Standage recording above (also missing 4 of the Op. 10 works) - I'm sure both of these more modern productions will please.  Dave :)

Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 28, 2020, 07:58:11 AM
Hi Que - I had not seen the Astronio recording on Amazon the other day, but just 'popped up' - one disc w/ 4 of the Op. 10 works missing - despite owning the older Scimone 2-disc set, I put in an order to Presto a few days ago and added the Standage recording above (also missing 4 of the Op. 10 works) - I'm sure both of these more modern productions will please.  Dave :)

You're right - one disc, not complete... Thanks for the correction.
I was listening on Spotify, my bad for the misinformation!

Still beautiful performances.  :)

Q

Yes, That Astronio version of Op. 10 [even if incomplete] looks very appealing. It also offers the modern production standards as Dave says.

Albinoni: Six Cantatas from Op. 4 [sung by Barbara Schlick]


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Charming and pleasant music sung and played in an intimate, chamber setting; soprano, harpsichord and 'cello. I know nothing of Albinoni's Op. 4 other than this recording [with a soprano voice, obviously] but I would like to hear the other six cantatas written for the contralto voice.


I have put the L'Arte Dell' Arco CD on order....


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I was checking something in this thread and I noticed that a relevant post I had made was lost in one of the recent site crashes. For information purposes I am adding it again:


Albinoni: Cantatas for Soprano The Soprano Op. 4 [Frigato/Biscuola]


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CD1: Cantatas for Soprano - The Soprano, Silvia Frigato is clear and bright in her delivery.
CD2: Cantatas for Contralto - These Cantatas are somewhat more subdued in tone than the first set. They are, however, very appealing.

The intimate accompaniment is both consistently tasteful and elegant throughout the set.

Hello all.  I was looking for an Albinoni discussion group as I am enamored with his works (my favorite composer) and have a few questions and comments regarding his works that I was hoping someone could answer or give insight to.  I am trying to find an inexpensive version of the book by Michael Talbot "Tomaso Albinoni: The Venetian Composer and His World" but until then I am using Wikipedia for Albinoni's composition list.

I've enjoyed reading this thread and have my thoughts on some of the albums mentioned but first a few questions.

1) For Opus 8, the only recordings I can find are the flute versions on amazon by Claudio Ferrarini.  He does cover the entire opus with 2 volumes but after purchasing one song I found the quality to be very sub par in my opinion (sounds hollow) and was recorded too high in some spots where it actually creates distortion.  Has anyone else come across an Opus 8 recording, whether on CD or downloadable online?  I would prefer a violin/harpsichord version but just trying to find this Opus recorded at all is extremely difficult.

2) Outside of his Opuses I have been successful in finding many of his instrumental works but not all.  For example:

    "Albinoni: Concerto per violino & Sinfonie a 4" - contains his concertos 1, 2 & 4 and symphonies 2 - 9
    "Albinoni: Sonate da camera" - contains Sonatas 40 - 45
    "Albinoni: Sonate da chiesa" - contains Sonatas 38, 39 and then 26 - 31 which is really just Opus 4, not sure why they did it that way.

    I have yet to find Sonatas 2 - 25 and a couple others.  Does anyone know of any recordings of these?  I will include album covers of the ones
    I mentioned above.

Hi nimmerfroh, can't help with your Albinoni query, but wanted to welcome you to GMG. (Your first post had to be approved by a moderator; now you're free to post any time.)

--Bruce

Quote from: nimmerfroh on July 07, 2020, 03:28:46 PM
Hello all.  I was looking for an Albinoni discussion group as I am enamored with his works (my favorite composer) and have a few questions and comments regarding his works that I was hoping someone could answer or give insight to.  I am trying to find an inexpensive version of the book by Michael Talbot "Tomaso Albinoni: The Venetian Composer and His World" but until then I am using Wikipedia for Albinoni's composition list.

I've enjoyed reading this thread and have my thoughts on some of the albums mentioned but first a few questions.

1) For Opus 8, the only recordings I can find are the flute versions on amazon by Claudio Ferrarini.  He does cover the entire opus with 2 volumes but after purchasing one song I found the quality to be very sub par in my opinion (sounds hollow) and was recorded too high in some spots where it actually creates distortion.  Has anyone else come across an Opus 8 recording, whether on CD or downloadable online?  I would prefer a violin/harpsichord version but just trying to find this Opus recorded at all is extremely difficult.

2) Outside of his Opuses I have been successful in finding many of his instrumental works but not all.  For example:

    "Albinoni: Concerto per violino & Sinfonie a 4" - contains his concertos 1, 2 & 4 and symphonies 2 - 9
    "Albinoni: Sonate da camera" - contains Sonatas 40 - 45
    "Albinoni: Sonate da chiesa" - contains Sonatas 38, 39 and then 26 - 31 which is really just Opus 4, not sure why they did it that way.

    I have yet to find Sonatas 2 - 25 and a couple others.  Does anyone know of any recordings of these?  I will include album covers of the ones
    I mentioned above.

First of all, you are very welcome to this forum nimmerfroh. I hope that you enjoy it here and I look forward to reading your posts. I would be particularly interested in any contributions that you would make to this thread.

Unfortunately, I cannot offer any help in any of you pursuits. Any information that you might want to contribute with regard to your mentioned pursuits above, or indeed any aspect of this composer, will be eagerly consumed.

Thanks for the warm welcome aligreto.  I just ordered the Albinoni book from a seller in England so it may take 2 weeks to arrive but I look forward to
seeing the detailed outline of all his compositions.  If I find any noteworthy information I will share or just give you my overall impression of it.

My take on the two Opus 10 CDs discussed in previous threads - yes the I Solisti Veneti one is complete whereas the Simon one is missing a few, presumably to keep it to one disc.  However I get picky in how the music sounds and the Veneti one seems too polished and distant whereas the Simon is more raw and vibrant.  Also the length of songs can be different on each CD.  Take for example one of my favorite tracks:  "No 7, Concerto in F Major, III Allegro".  On Veneti it is around 2 minutes but on Simon it is around 2:45.  That's an extra 45 seconds of one of the best tracks so I'm very happy to have the longer track (and better sounding one in my opinion).  I should go back and listen to the omitted ones again to make sure I'm not missing something magical. 

I agree with everyone on the Opus 9, No 2 Adagio.  That is one incredible piece and I am not one to usually praise the Adagios.

A quick word on the Concerto and Symphonies CD (that are not part of any opus).  I find this disc to be very enjoyable, both the music and sound.  What I didn't enjoy as much was the collection of Sonatas 38 - 45.  It felt lacking overall but hey it's still Albinoni. 

Lastly, the one song I downloaded and kept from the sparse Opus 8 findings is "Op 8, No 4, Balletto in B Flat Major, II Allegro".  It's a little long for the same pattern that repeats throughout but still enjoyable. 

Quote from: nimmerfroh on July 08, 2020, 03:05:42 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome aligreto.  I just ordered the Albinoni book from a seller in England so it may take 2 weeks to arrive but I look forward to
seeing the detailed outline of all his compositions.  If I find any noteworthy information I will share or just give you my overall impression of it.

My take on the two Opus 10 CDs discussed in previous threads - yes the I Solisti Veneti one is complete whereas the Simon one is missing a few, presumably to keep it to one disc.  However I get picky in how the music sounds and the Veneti one seems too polished and distant whereas the Simon is more raw and vibrant.  Also the length of songs can be different on each CD.  Take for example one of my favorite tracks:  "No 7, Concerto in F Major, III Allegro".  On Veneti it is around 2 minutes but on Simon it is around 2:45.  That's an extra 45 seconds of one of the best tracks so I'm very happy to have the longer track (and better sounding one in my opinion).  I should go back and listen to the omitted ones again to make sure I'm not missing something magical. 

I agree with everyone on the Opus 9, No 2 Adagio.  That is one incredible piece and I am not one to usually praise the Adagios.

A quick word on the Concerto and Symphonies CD (that are not part of any opus).  I find this disc to be very enjoyable, both the music and sound.  What I didn't enjoy as much was the collection of Sonatas 38 - 45.  It felt lacking overall but hey it's still Albinoni. 

Lastly, the one song I downloaded and kept from the sparse Opus 8 findings is "Op 8, No 4, Balletto in B Flat Major, II Allegro".  It's a little long for the same pattern that repeats throughout but still enjoyable.

Thank you for your considered response.
I would be very interested in your impressions on the book when you eventually do receive it and get around to listening to it.

More importantly, please keep posting. I feel that I could learn a lot from you.  :)

I posted Albinoni's Sonatas (38 - 45) on youtube.  Here's a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2GI8UhjIaw

Quote from: nimmerfroh on July 11, 2020, 08:27:34 AM
I posted Albinoni's Sonatas (38 - 45) on youtube.  Here's a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2GI8UhjIaw

Thank you for the link. I have bookmarked it for listening later.

Albinoni: Sonatas 38-45 Colombo/Rossi


https://www.youtube.com/v/N2GI8UhjIaw


I thoroughly enjoyed listening to both this music and these performances. The music is always engaging and interesting and I think that the musicians have the measure of the music.

Adding another link to more of Albinoni's compositions on youtube.  This time it's for Sonatas 1 - 7 and 32 - 34. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3na_1iSVWBU

I received the book and so far it's absolutely great.  What I like to do is read through the author's description of each composition as I play the composition itself simultaneously.  The catalog listed on Wiki comes directly from the book with very few discrepancies.  There are some sonatas that I just can't find being performed but I suppose that's to be expected for a composer that is not extremely popular.  I will always keep searching and will continue reading. 

Quote from: nimmerfroh on July 18, 2020, 04:11:23 PM
Adding another link to more of Albinoni's compositions on youtube.  This time it's for Sonatas 1 - 7 and 32 - 34. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3na_1iSVWBU

I received the book and so far it's absolutely great.  What I like to do is read through the author's description of each composition as I play the composition itself simultaneously.  The catalog listed on Wiki comes directly from the book with very few discrepancies.  There are some sonatas that I just can't find being performed but I suppose that's to be expected for a composer that is not extremely popular.  I will always keep searching and will continue reading.

Thank you for the update. It is relieving that the book did ultimately live up to its expectations for you. Thank you for the additional link. I will investigate.

Albinoni: Sonatas Nos. 1-7, 32-34 


https://www.youtube.com/v/3na_1iSVWBU


This is, for me, very fine music that is well played in a full sound. Thanks again for the link, nimmerfroh; most enjoyable.

You're welcome.  My absolute favorite from this grouping is:

   So 32, Sonata in B-Flat Major, II. Allegro

I can't hear that enough, it's just pure bliss.

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 02, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
You're welcome.  My absolute favorite from this grouping is:

   So 32, Sonata in B-Flat Major, II. Allegro

I can't hear that enough, it's just pure bliss.

I was very impressed overall with that set I must say. I was great to have had the opportunity of hearing it.

Albinoni: 12 Concertos Op. 10 [Scimone]


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I finally got around to purchasing the above. Others have posted it before but I have not heard it until now.

The first thing one notices here from the very beginning is the big sound; it is very full, non HIP and has a big presence, if slightly a little thin on the recorded side [if that makes sense]. Carmignola plays very well, with verve and enthusiasm. The performances are well paced throughout; suitably lively and taut in the outer movements and with refinement, poise and elegance in the slow movements even if I find them a tad on the saccharine side.

Glad you enjoyed the CD.  My favorites are:

No 7, Concerto in F Major, III Allegro
No 11, Concerto in C Major, I Allegro

I will say the advantage of this specific CD is that it contains the complete works for opus 10.  The other 2 versions pick and choose so that it can all be contained on one CD.  The disadvantage to me is what you pointed out, the "thin" recording of it.  I prefer the sound on the 2 other CDs but then I miss out on No 6 & No 10.  And as noted before No 7, III Allegro is shorter in duration than on the other 2 CDs which is very odd to me.  Since this is a 2 CD collection, surely they had room to include the full version.  Not exactly sure how that works. 

I was able to purchase No 6 & No 10 from this CD online to complete my collection however No 6, I Allegro & III Allegro were cut off so I don't have the complete versions of them.  I cannot find them anywhere individually online without having to purchase the entire CD.  I will keep searching. 

I enjoyed your review of the CD and glad you decided to purchase it.

Cheers nimmerfroh. Not having Op. 10 in my collection at all I opted for the Scimone simply because it was complete. I knew what to expect in terms of presentation so I have no issue with that. I may purchase one or two of the one CD incomplete versions also. However, perhaps one day someone will issue a new HIP complete version but I will not hold my breath whilst awaiting it.

The important part is that you have it, congrats!  Now if someone would just perform Opus 8 with that standard violin set up, I would be thrilled. 

Quote from: aligreto on August 23, 2020, 02:30:05 AM
Albinoni: 12 Concertos Op. 10 [Scimone]

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I finally got around to purchasing the above. Others have posted it before but I have not heard it until now.

The first thing one notices here from the very beginning is the big sound; it is very full, non HIP and has a big presence, if slightly a little thin on the recorded side [if that makes sense]. Carmignola plays very well, with verve and enthusiasm. The performances are well paced throughout; suitably lively and taut in the outer movements and with refinement, poise and elegance in the slow movements even if I find them a tad on the saccharine side.

Great Aligreto - glad that you like the performances!  After seeing your post, I listened to the first disc of Scimone followed by the Standage recording of 8 of 12 works - prefer the sound of the latter ever so slightly - the older recording stands up well!  Believe that I posted some reviews of each previously from Fanfare where both offerings were similarly recommended.  Dave :)

Yet some more confusion with Albinoni's 'named' Opus collections - now listening to the Hyperion Dyad below of the Op. 4 & Op. 6 'sonatas' - attached is a portion of the booklet notes describing the pseudo-Op. 4 Sonate da chiesa - in reviewing a list of Albinoni's compositions HERE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Tomaso_Albinoni), Opus 4 is missing from the listing of works w/ Opus numbers - I've inserted the 'pseudo' Op. 4 between 3 & 5 - HOWEVER, this is an excellent performance by the Locatelli Trio (review attached for those interested).

NOW, I noticed in the listing Op. 3: 12 Balletti a tre (for 2 violins and basso continuo), Venice 1701 - I do not have any recordings of this set and cannot find any on Amazon USA (have not looked elsewhere); thus, Op. 3 & Op. 8 seem to be 'missing'?  Dave :)

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Opus 3 is available, will provide 2 links, much more reasonable on Presto than Amazon.

Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Balletti-Tre-Op-111-Albinoni-2006-03-02/dp/B01K8O1SKS/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=albinoni+op+3&qid=1598203828&sr=8-11

Presto
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8287643--albinoni-balletti-a-3-op-3

The Presto version can be purchased online.  I enjoy opus 3 as much as 1 and 2.  They all follow a similar style.  My favorites from 3 (the above mentioned CD):

Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, I Largo
Op 3, No 1, Balletto in C Major, IV Presto
Op 3, No 3, Balletto in G Major, III Allegro
Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, IV Allegro

Thanks for the links to Op. 3 - looks like a Presto DL is the best option!   ;D   Dave

ADDENDUM: Well, I'm listening to the recording below off Spotify (to my stereo/den speakers) - finding the 'bass' somewhat thin and the strings 'bright', likely an issue w/ the recording engineering - attached 2 reviews, both with similar complaints - the music is wonderful but would love to hear another group's performance w/ the production done by a major label - just my 2 cents, but worth a listen for Albinoni fans!  Dave

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Great Aligreto - glad that you like the performances!  After seeing your post, I listened to the first disc of Scimone followed by the Standage recording of 8 of 12 works - prefer the sound of the latter ever so slightly - the older recording stands up well!  Believe that I posted some reviews of each previously from Fanfare where both offerings were similarly recommended.  Dave :)

Cheers, Dave. I will consider that Standage CD that you have mentioned once or twice before.

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 23, 2020, 09:35:45 AM
Opus 3 is available, will provide 2 links, much more reasonable on Presto than Amazon.

Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Balletti-Tre-Op-111-Albinoni-2006-03-02/dp/B01K8O1SKS/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=albinoni+op+3&qid=1598203828&sr=8-11

Presto
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8287643--albinoni-balletti-a-3-op-3

The Presto version can be purchased online.  I enjoy opus 3 as much as 1 and 2.  They all follow a similar style.  My favorites from 3 (the above mentioned CD):

Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, I Largo
Op 3, No 1, Balletto in C Major, IV Presto
Op 3, No 3, Balletto in G Major, III Allegro
Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, IV Allegro

Quote from: SonicMan46 on August 23, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
Thanks for the links to Op. 3 - looks like a Presto DL is the best option!   ;D   Dave

ADDENDUM: Well, I'm listening to the recording below off Spotify (to my stereo/den speakers) - finding the 'bass' somewhat thin and the strings 'bright', likely an issue w/ the recording engineering - attached 2 reviews, both with similar complaints - the music is wonderful but would love to hear another group's performance w/ the production done by a major label - just my 2 cents, but worth a listen for Albinoni fans!  Dave

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Thank you guys for the information. Op. 3 has been elusive for me [read very expensive] to buy as a CD but I will continue to search in hope.

I should have included this link on amazon for the opus 3 CD instead.  I bought it for $16.99 and it still appears to be the same price.  Ebay has also been a good source for reasonably priced Albinoni CDs. 

  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GIWU6S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

To address SonicMan46's man quality issue.  I am not very good at explaining the subtle intricacies of music quality when it comes to classical music.  I can only go with what sounds good to my ears.  The Opus 3 CD sounded good to me.  I don't have another version to compare to but was very satisfied with the sound of it when I compare it to the Opus 1 CD I have (brilliant classics).  To me they sounded similar in quality.  I guess I don't have too many complaints when it comes to a 3 part piece.  Where I start to notice more of a difference is in the larger part Opuses like 5, 7, 9 & 10.  The newer recordings tend to sound distinctly better to me, more crisp and vibrant instead of a thinner, homogenized sound.

One last mention for Opus 8.  I tried to listen to pieces from the version available on amazon (and youtube) but because they are recorded for flute as the primary instrument, I found it difficult to enjoy.  And here is where the sound quality really played a role.  The recordings are very bad in my opinion.  Not only are they hollow but many actually have distortion because they were recorded to high (into the red).  Taking all that into account, I have held off on listening to the complete collection but at some point I will do it just because it's Albinoni. 

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This one is bothering me as I had a niggling thought somewhere in the back of my mind that I had it in my collection. It now appears that is definitely not the case.......or have I misplaced it?  ::)

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 23, 2020, 01:42:59 PM

One last mention for Opus 8.  I tried to listen to pieces from the version available on amazon (and youtube) but because they are recorded for flute as the primary instrument, I found it difficult to enjoy.  And here is where the sound quality really played a role.  The recordings are very bad in my opinion.  Not only are they hollow but many actually have distortion because they were recorded to high (into the red).  Taking all that into account, I have held off on listening to the complete collection but at some point I will do it just because it's Albinoni.

I have not checked that but it is too bad.

I just purchased the Opus 8 version from amazon.  Once I get it all together I will put it out on youtube.  It's a little iffy though.  By that I mean it came in two volumes and the first volume seems to be labeled correctly between the sonatas and suites but the second volume looks a little off.  I will do my best to straighten it all out. 

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 26, 2020, 08:27:04 AM
I just purchased the Opus 8 version from amazon.  Once I get it all together I will put it out on youtube.  It's a little iffy though.  By that I mean it came in two volumes and the first volume seems to be labeled correctly between the sonatas and suites but the second volume looks a little off.  I will do my best to straighten it all out.

Looking forward to it, cheers.

Where's a good place to start with Albinoni? I'm getting back into Baroque music lately, but I haven't heard a single note of this composer.

I can give you a list of my 25 favorites that span his 10 opuses including 2 non-opus works.  His early works (opuses 1 - 3) are reminiscent of Corelli and early Vivaldi.  Opuses 5, 7 & 9 are fuller concertos with the latter 2 including an oboe.  Then he has a plethora of non-opus works that span his career.   For the non-opus works, the Concerti/Sinfonie CD (link provided below) is very good in my opinion.  I'm sure others can chime in also.

https://www.amazon.com/Tomaso-Albinoni-Concerti-Sinfonie-Fabrizio/dp/B00005Q470/ref=sr_1_28?dchild=1&keywords=albinoni+sinfonie&qid=1598571485&sr=8-28

25 favorites from opuses 1 - 10 (with 2 non opus works, #19 & #20).  #20 is my favorite at the moment with #12 a close second.

01 - Op 1, No 1, Sonata in D Minor, IV Allegro
02 - Op 1, No 4, Sonata in G Minor, II Allegro
03 - Op 1, No 6, Sonata in A Minor, II Allegro
04 - Op 2, No 4, Sonata in C Minor, IV Allegro
05 - Op 2, No 6, Sonata in G Minor, II Allegro
06 - Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, I Largo
07 - Op 3, No 1, Balletto in C Major, IV Presto
08 - Op 3, No 3, Balletto in G Major, III Allegro
09 - Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, IV Allegro
10 - Op 4, No 6, Sonata in B Minor, IV Allegro
11 - Op 5, No 11, Concerto in G Minor, II Adagio
12 - Op 5, No 3, Concerto in D, III Allegro
13 - Op 5, No 4, Concerto in G, I Allegro
14 - Op 5, No 12, Concerto in C, III Allegro
15 - Op 6, No 4, Sonata in D Minor, IV Allegro
16 - Op 6, No 4, Sonata in D Minor, III Adagio
17 - Op 7, No 9, Concerto in F Major, I Allegro
18 - Op 7, No 11, Concerto in C Major, I Allegro
19 - So 38, Sonata in A Major, II Allegro
20 - So 32, Sonata in B-Flat Major, II. Allegro
21 - Op 9, No 4, Concerto in A, III Allegro
22 - Op 9, No 2, Concerto in D Minor, III Allegro
23 - Op 9, No 2, Concerto in D Minor, II  Adagio
24 - Op 10, No 11, Concerto in C Major, I Allegro
25 - Op 10, No 7, Concerto in F Major, III Allegro

Here's a link to Albinoni: Opus 8 on youtube.  This is taking me awhile to digest as my mind has a mental block when it comes to Flute vs. Violin  :-\

https://youtu.be/hjMKCLeKqK8

I believe all 10 Opuses are available now in some kind of instrument configuration. 

Quote from: vers la flamme on August 27, 2020, 03:09:58 PM
Where's a good place to start with Albinoni? I'm getting back into Baroque music lately, but I haven't heard a single note of this composer.

I would recommend the Naxos CDs listed earlier here to start with. Wonderful music is contained therein. If those samples appeal then I would consult the detailed list from mimmerfroh

Quote01 - Op 1, No 1, Sonata in D Minor, IV Allegro
02 - Op 1, No 4, Sonata in G Minor, II Allegro
03 - Op 1, No 6, Sonata in A Minor, II Allegro
04 - Op 2, No 4, Sonata in C Minor, IV Allegro
05 - Op 2, No 6, Sonata in G Minor, II Allegro
06 - Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, I Largo
07 - Op 3, No 1, Balletto in C Major, IV Presto
08 - Op 3, No 3, Balletto in G Major, III Allegro
09 - Op 3, No 7, Balletto in D Major, IV Allegro
10 - Op 4, No 6, Sonata in B Minor, IV Allegro
11 - Op 5, No 11, Concerto in G Minor, II Adagio
12 - Op 5, No 3, Concerto in D, III Allegro
13 - Op 5, No 4, Concerto in G, I Allegro
14 - Op 5, No 12, Concerto in C, III Allegro
15 - Op 6, No 4, Sonata in D Minor, IV Allegro
16 - Op 6, No 4, Sonata in D Minor, III Adagio
17 - Op 7, No 9, Concerto in F Major, I Allegro
18 - Op 7, No 11, Concerto in C Major, I Allegro
19 - So 38, Sonata in A Major, II Allegro
20 - So 32, Sonata in B-Flat Major, II. Allegro
21 - Op 9, No 4, Concerto in A, III Allegro
22 - Op 9, No 2, Concerto in D Minor, III Allegro
23 - Op 9, No 2, Concerto in D Minor, II  Adagio
24 - Op 10, No 11, Concerto in C Major, I Allegro
25 - Op 10, No 7, Concerto in F Major, III Allegro

taking, again, recommendations from previous posts here.

Happy Listening.

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 27, 2020, 11:31:33 PM
Here's a link to Albinoni: Opus 8 on youtube.  This is taking me awhile to digest as my mind has a mental block when it comes to Flute vs. Violin  :-\

https://youtu.be/hjMKCLeKqK8

I believe all 10 Opuses are available now in some kind of instrument configuration.

Thank you for the effort and also for posting the link. I have bookmarked it for later listening. I am wondering about that flute, but it is better than nothing.

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 27, 2020, 11:31:33 PM
Here's a link to Albinoni: Opus 8 on youtube.  This is taking me awhile to digest as my mind has a mental block when it comes to Flute vs. Violin  :-\

https://www.youtube.com/v/hjMKCLeKqK8&feature=youtu.be


I really liked this music. I thought that it was most engaging and captivating. I thought that the interplay of the different voices was masterful. The writing is of the highest standard for me and it demonstrates all that is good in Albinoni's music. It is fluidly melodic, elegant, exciting and very inventive. The quality of both the counterpoint and harmonies kept me continually attentive and engaged.

The choice of flute as the main voice did not bother me. I think that its breathy resonance somehow enhances the inherent charm and flow of the music. I enjoyed the entire ensemble playing. I think that they play very well individually and they also blend very well to give a coherent and integrated presentation.

It was a joy to listen to and thank you very much for taking the time and making the effort to make it available to us.

Just left the post below in the 'Listening Thread' - listening to both recordings as a Spotify playlist on my den speakers, and also enjoying - the flute is really 'up front' w/ the other players sometimes fading into the background - any information (booklet notes or other) on the use of the flute in these presumably '2 Violins + BC' compositions?  And are there any recorded versions in which 2 violins are used?  Thanks all - Dave :)

QuoteAlbinoni, Tomaso - Sonate & Trio Sonate, Op. 8 w/ Claudio Ferrarini on flute and Accademia Farnese - Spotify playlist stimulated by the 'Albinoni Thread' which has come alive in recent weeks!  In Albinoni's List of Compositions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Tomaso_Albinoni), the Op. 8 works are shown below scored for 2 violins + BC - the flute presumably was/is an alternate transcription instrument, but the booklet notes are not available to me to check - would be curious.  Dave :)

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I just tried to post a message including 2 pdf files (the digital booklets that came with the Opus 8 recording) but for some reason the post did not show up.  Does anyone know if there is a waiting/review period on posts when including attachments such as pdfs?

Quote from: SonicMan46 on August 30, 2020, 07:26:28 AM
Just left the post below in the 'Listening Thread' - listening to both recordings as a Spotify playlist on my den speakers, and also enjoying - the flute is really 'up front' w/ the other players sometimes fading into the background - any information (booklet notes or other) on the use of the flute in these presumably '2 Violins + BC' compositions?  And are there any recorded versions in which 2 violins are used?  Thanks all - Dave :)

I am glad that you also enjoyed it Dave.   :)

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 30, 2020, 08:26:56 AM
I just tried to post a message including 2 pdf files (the digital booklets that came with the Opus 8 recording) but for some reason the post did not show up.  Does anyone know if there is a waiting/review period on posts when including attachments such as pdfs?

I am not sure if a PDF will post as an image. Perhaps change the format to JPG and try that.

Trying again with the PDFs first.  Doing one at a time.
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Thank you both for your responses.  Each recording did come with a digital booklet and from what I can see they are exact copies or almost exact copies.  I will include both as attachments.  I did not read them word for word but oddly enough I saw no mention of Opus 8 but rather an overview of Albinoni and his contemporaries of the time.  If anyone finds some interesting nuggets of information, feel free to share.

One note when listening to these on Spotify, both recordings contain half of Albinoni's Opus 8 and half of some other flute sonatas labeled "Dal Libro Palatina di Parma" which translates to "From the Palatine Book of Parma".  I don't know what that refers to but in my link to Opus 8 on youtube I stripped off the non-Opus flute sonatas so that only the Opus 8 pieces remain. 

This is the only version of Opus 8 I can find.  I wish a proper 2 violin version existed but at the moment it appears we only have the Flute version. 

2nd PDF.  This seems to work, splitting the files into 2 posts.  Maybe I exceeded the limit using a single post.

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 30, 2020, 08:36:29 AM
Trying again with the PDFs first.  Doing one at a time.
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Thank you both for your responses.  Each recording did come with a digital booklet and from what I can see they are exact copies or almost exact copies.  I will include both as attachments.  I did not read them word for word but oddly enough I saw no mention of Opus 8 but rather an overview of Albinoni and his contemporaries of the time.  If anyone finds some interesting nuggets of information, feel free to share.

One note when listening to these on Spotify, both recordings contain half of Albinoni's Opus 8 and half of some other flute sonatas labeled "Dal Libro Palatina di Parma" which translates to "From the Palatine Book of Parma".  I don't know what that refers to but in my link to Opus 8 on youtube I stripped off the non-Opus flute sonatas so that only the Opus 8 pieces remain. 

This is the only version of Opus 8 I can find.  I wish a proper 2 violin version existed but at the moment it appears we only have the Flute version.

Hello and thanks for the PDF files (looking at the attachment allowances, 500KB is max whether one or four - each PDF is 315KB, so the reason that both could not be attached to one post) - agree w/ your comments completely, i.e. seem to be identical booklets w/ nothing mentioned of Op. 8, comments from the flutist, or discussion of using transcription instruments unfortunately. 

Also, looking at my Spotify playlist, there are a bunch of 'Flute Sonatas' as you described above; plus, the total timing is 3 hr 12 mins which would need 3 CDs for the recordings - interesting collection just would like some more information.  Dave

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 30, 2020, 08:38:29 AM
2nd PDF.  This seems to work, splitting the files into 2 posts. 

Thanks for posting. I thought at first that you had posted the same thing twice by mistake  :)

Maybe that is why these recordings and Opus 8 in general remain elusive from a listener/discussion perspective:

- no additional information is provided on the performance & instruments
- added confusion by mixing Opus and non-Opus pieces together
- using alternate instruments for the performance
- availability missing from some classical outlets (ex. I cannot find this on Prestomusic.com)
- track listing on volume II does not separate out the sonatas from suites as volume I does

On that last item, I had to rename some of the recordings on volume II.  I can't say it's 100% correct however based on the pattern in volume I and also by listening to the key change and matching it up to the Wiki list, I believe it's close.  I'll give an example below:

First 6 tracks on volume II are listed as follows (this is the same on amazon and spotify):

  1   6 Balletti e 6 Sonate a tre, op. 8 volume secondo: Sonata n. 4 in si bemolle maggiore: I. Grave, adagio   2:32
  2   6 Balletti e 6 Sonate a tre, Op. 8, Vol. II: Sonata no. 4 in si bemolle maggiore: II. Allegro   6:48
  3   6 Balletti e 6 Sonate a tre, Op. 8, Vol. II: Sonata no. 4 in si bemolle maggiore: III. Larghetto   3:31
  4   6 Balletti e 6 Sonate a tre, Op. 8, Vol. II: Sonata no. 4 in si bemolle maggiore: IV. Allegro   2:38
  5   6 Balletti e 6 Sonate a tre, Op. 8, Vol. II: Sonata no. 4 in si bemolle maggiore: V. Allemande, larghetto   3:08
  6   6 Balletti e 6 Sonate a tre, Op. 8, Vol. II: Sonata no. 4 in si bemolle maggiore: VI. Giga, sarabanda, allegro, giga

This is 4th Sonata/Suite grouping which if you look on Wiki should represent this:

  Sonata No. 4 in G minor
  Balletto No. 4 in B-flat major  (Balletto is akin to Suite in these pieces)

However you'll notice everything is labeled as Sonata no. 4.  On volume I they have it correctly labeled usually as a 4 part sonata first and then a 2 part suite with different key signatures to represent the correct Sonata/Suite grouping.  Knowing that pattern on volume I and then looking at the Wiki entry, I was able to identify that the last 2 pieces above are the Suite from the 4th grouping in B-flat major.  I made similar changes for the 5th and 6th groupings as well.

Sorry for the long post but just wanted to point out another reason why this collection of Opus 8 is confusing and may lead to this being overlooked in some aspect.

Quote from: nimmerfroh on August 30, 2020, 01:20:18 PM

Sorry for the long post but just wanted to point out another reason why this collection of Opus 8 is confusing and may lead to this being overlooked in some aspect.

No need for apologies here. That is great information and, once again, your efforts are appreciated.
It is a pity that there is so much confusion as the music itself is so wonderful.

agreed!  Thanks for all the discussion, it's a lot of fun :)

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A reissue of Claudio Scimone's Erato recordings, 16 CDs

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8863839--albinoni-edition

Thank you for alerting us of this release, I will check it out.

I Solisti Veneti was very popular in its day, pioneering the Italian Baroque.

But to me this non HIP stuff hasn't aged welll....

Q

Quote from: Que on January 30, 2021, 01:17:03 AM
I Solisti Veneti was very popular in its day, pioneering the Italian Baroque.

But to me this non HIP stuff hasn't aged welll....

Q

I like the sweeter string sound of a non-HIP band, particularly in Albinoni.  A lot of HIP groups have strings that sound too scrawny and make that white-toned whiny sound that is supposedly historical (did our ancestors really wax rhapsodic about that sound?).

Quote from: Daverz on January 30, 2021, 02:23:40 PM
I like the sweeter string sound of a non-HIP band, particularly in Albinoni.  A lot of HIP groups have strings that sound too scrawny and make that white-toned whiny sound that is supposedly historical (did our ancestors really wax rhapsodic about that sound?).

I grew up with that sort of style, so I have no problems with it. I just ordered the set.

Albinoni: 12 Concertos & Sonatas Op. 2 [I Solisti Veneti]


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This is, for me, wonderful and very appealing music. This is consistent throughout the set. The music is delightfully melodic. The slow movements are richly harmonic and the fast movements have a good sense of forward momentum. The ensemble is not heavy handed in its interpretation or its performance yet it still produces the requisite gravitas for this music. I find that the ensemble sounds suitably small or chamber sized but which still produces a full and well balanced orchestral sound for this period of music. This is an old but very satisfying set.

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A reissue of Claudio Scimone's Erato recordings, 16 CDs

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8863839--albinoni-edition

Having gone through that whole set, I think what Aligreto said below is a good assessment of the whole thing.

Quote from: aligreto on February 25, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Albinoni: 12 Concertos & Sonatas Op. 2 [I Solisti Veneti]


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This is, for me, wonderful and very appealing music. This is consistent throughout the set. The music is delightfully melodic. The slow movements are richly harmonic and the fast movements have a good sense of forward momentum. The ensemble is not heavy handed in its interpretation or its performance yet it still produces the requisite gravitas for this music. I find that the ensemble sounds suitably small or chamber sized but which still produces a full and well balanced orchestral sound for this period of music. This is an old but very satisfying set.

I'd still like to hear some of these works -- Op. 2 in particular -- with a big modern body of strings and no "hair in the soup" harpsichord tinkling in the background.  I guess I'll just have to hang on to my old MHS LPs. 

Re-post from the listening thread - for those interested in Albinoni's Op. 7 & 9 Works, both complete modern and period instrument versions are available, as explained below - I'm still one short on the period instruments - what to do?  ??? 8)  Dave

QuoteAlbinoni, Tomaso (1671-1751) - Oboe Concertos, Op. 7 & 9 w/ Stefan Schilli on a modern instrument; Nicol Matt/Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra - wonderful performances, but for period instrument fans, I also own the first two of three volumes (bottom row) w/ Anthony Robson and Catherine Latham on oboes, plus Simon Standage & Collegium Musicum 90, which have the two Opus works 'mixed up' - the remainder are on a third disc - this has been re-packaged (and re-arranged) into a 3-CD set (top row, 2nd/3rd pics) but is not a bargain, e.g. $37 on Amazon USA - might just get a DL to complete my 'period set', but that 're-arrangement' is attractive - drat!   :laugh:  Dave

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Finishing up my Albinoni CDs this afternoon w/ the recordings shown below of Op. 1, Op. 2 x 2 (Banchini incomplete), Op. 4, and Op. 6, the latter available on a bargain 2-disc Dyad w/ the Locatelli Trio.  Now, quoted below (from the beginning of this thread) are Tomaso's 10 Opus sets - in bold, Op. 3 & 8 are not in my collection - there are a number of options for Op. 3 but cannot locate any for Op. 8 - comments and/or suggestions?  Dave :)

QuoteOpus 1 (1694) 12 Trio Sonatas
Opus 2 (1700) 6 Sinfoniae & 6 Concerti à 5
Opus 3 (1701) 12 Baletti de Camera (à 3)
Opus 4 (1704) 6 Sonate da Chiesa for Violin & Bass
Opus 5 (1707) 12 Concertos
Opus 6 (1711) 12 Sonate da Camera for Violin & Bass
Opus 7 (1716) 12 Concertos for Strings / Oboe(s)
Opus 8 (1721) 6 Sonatas & 6 Baletti (à 3)
Opus 9 (1722) 12 Concertos for Strings / Oboe(s)
Opus 10 (1735) 12 Concertos for Violin

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Albinoni's Op. 3 & 8 - well, I've been searching since my last post and can find just one recordings of Op. 3 (first pic below w/ Ensemble Benedetto Marcello) - these seem to be Italian 'dance suites' and the attached reviews are not too promising; not even in the 16-CD box below are these Opus 3 and 8 works present.  Now just checked Spotify and the EBMarcello disc is there; also, present are 2 recordings of Op. 8 with Claudio Ferrarini (cannot find any reviews in a quick search) - BUT, I'll put together a playlist and listen over the next few days.  Dave :)

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A brand new recording of Albinoni's Op.3, the "world premiere recording with period instruments", as opposed to the world premiere recording with modern instruments by Ensemble Benedetto Marcello. Sounds good so far.

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Quote from: Spenserian on July 19, 2022, 05:43:43 AM
A brand new recording of Albinoni's Op.3, the "world premiere recording with period instruments", as opposed to the world premiere recording with modern instruments by Ensemble Benedetto Marcello. Sounds good so far.

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Agreed. I streamed it and liked it as well!   :)

Quote from: Spenserian on July 19, 2022, 05:43:43 AM
A brand new recording of Albinoni's Op.3, the "world premiere recording with period instruments", as opposed to the world premiere recording with modern instruments by Ensemble Benedetto Marcello. Sounds good so far.

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Quote from: Que on July 19, 2022, 06:25:20 AM
Agreed. I streamed it and liked it as well!   :)

Well, I'll have to take a listen also!  ;D  Dave

P.S. a 2-CD set, $24 on Amazon USA with S/H; $17 on JPC - not on BRO (yet?)

Quote from: Spenserian on July 19, 2022, 05:43:43 AM
A brand new recording of Albinoni's Op.3, the "world premiere recording with period instruments", as opposed to the world premiere recording with modern instruments by Ensemble Benedetto Marcello. Sounds good so far.

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Excellent. Thank you for posting this.

Well, finally arrived!  Performances even better on my own speakers - the period instruments are well described in the notes - a definite recommendation if you an Albinoni completist -  ;D  Dave

Quote from: SonicMan46 on July 19, 2022, 06:43:11 AM
Well, I'll have to take a listen also!  ;D  Dave

P.S. a 2-CD set, $24 on Amazon USA with S/H; $17 on JPC - not on BRO (yet?)

Well, I took a listen on Spotify this morning and really enjoyed the performances done in 2021 in Florence - returned to JPC and the 2-disc set for me 'across the pond' was $14 w/ the Euro on par w/ the dollar at the moment.  Dave :)

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Quote from: SonicMan46 on July 20, 2022, 07:30:40 AM
Well, I took a listen on Spotify this morning and really enjoyed the performances done in 2021 in Florence - returned to JPC and the 2-disc set for me 'across the pond' was $14 w/ the Euro on par w/ the dollar at the moment.  Dave :)

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Good for you, Dave!  :)

Poking around in this thread, I see that it was in 2013 (9 years ago) that I mentioned my attraction to Albinoni's Op 1 Trio Sonatas, and may impression has been confirmed listening this week. The fact that it stuck in my memory for so long says something.

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