PRESIDENTIAL FIRSTS
GEORGE WASHINGTON was the first President to write to a synagogue.
In 1790 he addressed separate letters to the Touro Synagogue in Newport, RI, to Mikveh Israel Congregation in Savannah, GA, and a joint letter to Congregation Beth Shalom, Richmond, VA, Mikveh Israel Philadelphia, Beth Elohim, Charleston, S. C., and Shearith Israel , New York . His letters are an eloquent expression and hope for religious harmony and endure as indelible statements of the most fundamental tenets of American democracy.
THOMAS JEFFERSON was the first President to appoint a Jew to a Federal post. In 1801 he named Reuben Etting of Baltimore as US Marshall for Maryland.
JAMES MADISON was the first President to appoint a Jew to a diplomatic post. He sent Mordecai M. Noah to Tunis from 1813 to
1816.
MARTIN VAN BUREN was the first President to order an American consul to intervene on behalf of Jews abroad. In 1840 he instructed the U.S. consul in Alexandria, Egypt to use his good offices to protect the Jews of Damascus who were under attack because of a false blood ritual accusation.
JOHN TYLER was the first President to nominate a U.S. consul to Palestine . Warder Cresson, a Quaker convert to Judaism who established a pioneer Zionist colony, received the appointment in
1844.
FRANKLIN PIERCE was the first and probably the only President whose name appears on the charter of a synagogue. Pierce signed the Act of Congress in 1857 that amended the laws of the District of Columbia to enable the incorporation of the city's first synagogue, the Washington Hebrew Congregation.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN was the first President to make it possible for rabbis to serve as military chaplains. He did this by signing the
1862 Act of Congress which changed the law that had previously barred all but Christian clergymen from the captaincy. Lincoln was also the first, and happily the only President who was called upon to revoke an official act of anti-Semitism by the U.S. government. It was Lincoln who canceled General Ulysses S Grant's "Order No. 11" expelling all Jews from Tennessee from the district controlled by his armies during the Civil War. Grant always denied personal responsibility for this act attributing it to his subordinate.
ULYSSES S. GRANT was the first President to attend a synagogue service while in office. When Adas Israel Congregation in Washington D.C. was dedicated in 1874, Grant and all members of his Cabinet were present.
RUTHERFORD B. HAYES was the first President to designate a Jewish ambassador for the stated purpose of fighting anti-Semitism. In
1870, he named Benjamin Peixotto Consul-General to Romania. Hays also was the first President to assure a civil service employee her right to work for the Federal government and yet observe the Sabbath. He ordered the employment of a Jewish woman who had been denied a position in the Department of the Interior because of her refusal to work on Saturday.
THEODORE ROOSEVELT was the first President to appoint a Jew to a presidential cabinet. In 1906 he named Oscar S. Straus Secretary of Commerce and Labor. Theodore Roosevelt was also the first President to contribute his own funds to a Jewish cause. In 1919, when he received the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts while President to settle the Russo-Japanese War Roosevelt contributed part of his prize to the National Jewish Welfare Board
WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT was the first President to attend a Seder while in office. In 1912, when he visited Providence , RI, he participated in the family Seder of Colonel Harry Cutler, first president of the National Jewish Welfare Board, in the Cutler home on Glenham Street .
WOODROW WILSON was the first President to nominate a Jew, Louis Dembitz Brandeis, to the United States Supreme Court. Standing firm against great pressure to withdraw the nomination, Wilson insisted that he knew no one better qualified by judicial temperament as well as legal and social understanding, con firmation was finally voted by the Senate on June 1, 1916. Wilson was also the first President to publicly endorse a national Jewish philanthropic campaign. In a letter to Jacob Schiff, on November 22, 1917, Wilson called for wide support of the United Jewish Relief Campaign which was raising funds for European War relief.
WARREN HARDING was the first President to sign a Joint Congressional Resolution endorsing the Balfour Declaration and the Palestine Mandate supporting the establishment in Palestine of a national Jewish home for the Jewish people. The resolution was signed September 22, 1922 .
CALVIN COOLIDGE was the first President to participate in the dedication of a Jewish community institution that was not a house of worship. On May 3, 1925, he helped dedicate the cornerstone of the Washington, D.C. Jewish Community center.
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT was the first President to be given a Torah as a gift. He received a miniature Torah from Young Israel and another that had been rescued from a burning synagogue in Czechoslovakia . Both are now in the Roosevelt Memorial Library in Hyde Park. The Roosevelt administration's failure to expand the existing refuge quota system, ensured that large numbers of Jews would ultimately become some of the Holocaust's six million victims. Fifty-six years after Roosevelt's death, the arguments continue over Roosevelt's response to the Holocaust.
HARRY S. TRUMAN , on May 14, 1948 , just eleven minutes after Israel 's proclamation of independence, was the first head of a government to announce to the press that "the United States recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the new state of Israel ." Tr uman was also th e first U.S President to receive a president of Israel at the White House, Chaim Weizman, in 1948 and an Ambassador from Israel , Eliahu Elat in 1948. With Israel staggering under the burdens of mass immigration in 1951-1952, President Truman obtained from Congress close to $140 million in loans and grants.
DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER was the first President to participate in a coast-to-coast TV program sponsored by a Jewish organization. It was a network show in 1954 celebrating the 300th anniversary of the American Jewish community. On this occasion he said that it was one of the enduring satisfactions of his life that he was privileged to lead the forces of the free world which finally crushed the brutal regime in Germany , freeing the remnant of Jews for a new life and hope in Israel .
JOHN F. KENNEDY named two Jews to his cabinet - Abra ham Ribicoff as < BR Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, and Arthur Goldberg as Secretary of Labor. Kennedy was the only President for whom a national Jewish Award was named The annual peace award of the Synagogue Council of America was re-named the John F. Kennedy Peace Award after his assassination in 1963
JIMMY CARTER in a number of impassioned speeches, stated his concern for human rights and stressed the right of Russian Jews to emigrate. He is credited with being the person responsible for the Camp David Accords.
GEORGE H.W. BUSH in 1985 as Vice President had played a personal role in "Operation Joshua," the airlift which brought 10,000 Jews out of Ethiopia directly to resettlement in Israel. Then, again in 1991, when Bush was President, American help played a critical role in "Operation Solomon", the escape of 14,000 more E thiopian Jews. Most dramatically, Bush got to the U.N. to revoke its 1975 "Zionism is Racism" resolution.
Consider the last two officeholders
BILL CLINTON appointed more Jews to his cabinet than all of the previous presidents combined and put Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, both 1st appointed to the federal bench by Jimmy Carter, on the Supreme Court.
GEORGE W. BUSH is the first president since Herbert Hoover who has no Jews in his cabinet at all and has appointed no Jews to the Federal bench.
Jefferson Davis was the first president to appoint a Jewish cabinet member (Judah Benjamin as Attorney General)
He even made it on the currency:
(http://www.rebelstatescurrency.com/t70a.jpg)
Why does this surprise you? I'm glad that there aren't more Jews associated with his administration. We are lucky that he didn't appoint Wolfowitz Sec Def; Wolf wanted that or National Security in 2005, but he was too identified with the failures of the Iraq war so they shuttled him to the World Bank. The rest is history.
I'm glad i wasn't born Jewish. Judging by Iago's posting habits it must be the most boring ethnicity on the planet...
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 18, 2007, 12:06:57 PM
I'm glad i wasn't born Jewish. Judging by Iago's posting habits it must be the most boring ethnicity on the planet...
No more boring than Italian, Greek, Russian, Irish, German, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Serbian, Syrian, Austrian, German, Belgian, Dutch, Montenegrin, Albanian, Turkish, etc.
It's just that people frequently discriminate against Jews. Would you have written that you are glad you weren't born black if he had posted how someone didn't appoint African-Americans to his cabinet?
Theodore Roosevelt preferred Americans without hyphens. Once you are here and a citizen, you are an American, no prefixes and hyphens needed.
Does there have to be a [member of ethnic group x.] on every president's cabinet? I ask only for information.
Quote from: Cato on May 18, 2007, 12:14:35 PM
Theodore Roosevelt preferred Americans without hyphens. Once you are here and a citizen, you are an American, no prefixes and hyphens needed.
Oh, I'm not telling my violist friend so! ;D
Quote from: Iago on May 18, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
GEORGE W. BUSH is the first president since Herbert Hoover who has no Jews in his cabinet at all and has appointed no Jews to the Federal bench.
This particular urban legend doesn't seem to have been noticed by Snopes yet. However, a quick google can easily disprove the statement. Michael Chertoff is a member of the cabinet as Secretary of Homeland Security, and is also Jewish.
Interesting story, he was the second Jewish senator and potentially was the first Jewish Supreme Court Justice
(From Wiki)
Judah Philip Benjamin (August 6, 1811 – May 6, 1884) was an American politician and lawyer, who served as a representative in the Louisiana state legislature, as U.S. Senator for Louisiana, in three successive Cabinet posts in the government of the Confederate States of America, and as a distinguished barrister and Queen's Counsel in England. He was the second Jew (after David Levy Yulee of Florida) to serve as a U.S. Senator and the first in the Cabinet of a North American government, and had the opportunity to be the first Jewish nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court, though he declined the position.
In 1833 Benjamin made a strategic marriage to Natalie St. Martin, of a prominent New Orleans Creole family; the marriage does not seem to have been a happy one. He became a slave owner and established a sugar plantation in Belle Chasse, Louisiana... In 1850 he sold his plantation and its 150 slaves; he never again owned any slaves.
By 1852, Benjamin's reputation as an eloquent speaker and subtle legal mind was sufficient to win him selection by the state legislature to the U.S. Senate. Also, the outgoing President, Millard Fillmore of the Whig Party, offered to nominate Benjamin to fill a Supreme Court vacancy after the Senate Democrats had defeated Fillmore's other nominees for that post, and the New York Times reported (on February 15, 1853) that "if the President nominates Benjamin, the Democrats are determined to confirm him." But, Benjamin declined to be nominated. He took office as a Senator on March 4, 1853. During his first year as a Senator, he challenged another young Senator, Jefferson Davis of Mississippi, to a duel over a perceived insult on the Senate floor; Davis apologized, and the two began a close friendship.
He quickly gained a reputation as one of the great orators of the Senate, and in 1854 Franklin Pierce offered him nomination to a seat on the Supreme Court, which he declined. He was a noted advocate of the interests of the South, and his most famous exchange on the Senate floor was related to both his religion and the issue of slavery: Benjamin Wade of Ohio accused him of being an "Israelite in Egyptian clothing," and he replied that, "It is true that I am a Jew, and when my ancestors were receiving their Ten Commandments from the immediate Deity, amidst the thundering and lightnings of Mt. Sinai, the ancestors of my opponent were herding swine in the forests of Great Britain."
He was again selected to serve as Senator for the term beginning in 1859, but this time as a Democrat. During the 34th through 36th Congresses he was chairman of the Committee on Private Land Claims. Benjamin resigned his seat on February 4, 1861, after the secession of Louisiana from the Union.
Davis appointed Benjamin to be the first Attorney General of the Confederacy on February 25, 1861, remarking later that he chose him for the position because he "had a very high reputation as a lawyer, and my acquaintance with him in the Senate had impressed me with the lucidity of his intellect, his systematic habits, and capacity for labor." Benjamin has been often referred to as "the Brains of the Confederacy."
In all seriousness, they make up what percentage of the US population? I hardly find this shocking. The Cabinet is only so big, this is hardly abnormal. Rather, the abnormality goes in the other direction (which is not a bad thing by any means, just statistically unusual).
Probably the most glaring statistical abnormality is the overwhelming number of men appointed to the cabinet, considering the human worldwide population is, what, 52% female? I assume the US population is similar. People can start giving every explanation under the sun for this, yes yes, of course. But that doesn't mean it's not out of the expected statistical norm based on population. These things happen.
Quote from: JoshLilly on May 18, 2007, 12:55:53 PM
In all seriousness, they make up what percentage of the US population? I hardly find this shocking. The Cabinet is only so big, this is hardly abnormal. Rather, the abnormality goes in the other direction (which is not a bad thing by any means, just statistically unusual).
According to Wikipedia, 2% of the US population is Jewish and the US has 41% of the worlds Jews (a higher proportion than Israel)
Well then, the unthinking expectation would be 2% of Cabinet posts would be thus filled, at least in the last few decades. Due to the small number of cabinet posts relative to the population, I don't think it can be close to exactly 2%, but has anyone ever tried to tally it up? Or start from a certain year and go from there, like, 1960- present?
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 18, 2007, 12:06:57 PM
I'm glad i wasn't born Jewish. Judging by Iago's posting habits it must be the most boring ethnicity on the planet...
I'm glad you weren't born Jewish as well.
Your remark is very thinly veiled anti-semitism.
ZZZZZzzzzzz.....
Quote from: Cato on May 18, 2007, 12:14:35 PM
Theodore Roosevelt preferred Americans without hyphens. Once you are here and a citizen, you are an American, no prefixes and hyphens needed.
agree, agree, agree..
I married one! :D
Quote from: Iago on May 18, 2007, 02:00:12 PM
I'm glad you weren't born Jewish as well.
Your remark is very thinly veiled anti-semitism.
Actually, my remark was open anti-Iagism. But in all fairness, culturally, Jews are a rather stuffy bunch, you gotta admit. Between reading the Torah and constantly slapping people with that anti-semitism card, life has to grow stale after a while. At least the Muslims get to behead somebody every now and then...
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 18, 2007, 03:11:12 PM
I married one! :D
LOL - ;D I was brought up Catholic, married a Jewish girl from New Jersey (met at the U of Michigan) - much closer to her family than mine; brought up our son in a Unitarian Fellowship (which was quite liberal) - never a problem - ::) 8)
Quote from: Redbeard on May 18, 2007, 12:26:32 PM
This particular urban legend doesn't seem to have been noticed by Snopes yet. However, a quick google can easily disprove the statement. Michael Chertoff is a member of the cabinet as Secretary of Homeland Security, and is also Jewish.
Did anyone even read this? It completely invalidates the thread.
Quote from: JCampbell on May 18, 2007, 06:49:51 PM
Did anyone even read this? It completely invalidates the thread.
Details, details.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 18, 2007, 03:57:51 PM
Actually, my remark was open anti-Iagism. But in all fairness, culturally, Jews are a rather stuffy bunch, you gotta admit. Between reading the Torah and constantly slapping people with that anti-semitism card, life has to grow stale after a while. At least the Muslims get to behead somebody every now and then...
THAT comment is even more anti-semitic than your first one.
What's the matter with reading the Torah? Is it any worse than constantly reading the Bible? And just for the record, my life is anything BUT stale.
Quote from: JCampbell on May 18, 2007, 06:49:51 PM
Did anyone even read this? It completely invalidates the thread.
OK - I won't read page 2.
Quote from: Iago on May 18, 2007, 09:15:19 PM
THAT comment is even more anti-semitic than your first one.
Wait till you see his third entry. :)
Quote from: Iago on May 18, 2007, 09:15:19 PM
THAT comment is even more anti-semitic than your first one.
So?
Quote from: Iago on May 18, 2007, 09:15:19 PM
What's the matter with reading the Torah? Is it any worse than constantly reading the Bible?
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I just find religious cults to be boring, and very depressing.
Quote from: Iago on May 18, 2007, 09:15:19 PM
And just for the record, my life is anything BUT stale.
Well, then what's with all the Jewish kowtowing and constant bitching? What was even the point of this thread? Does GWB hate the Jews? Is he actively engaging in discrimination? Is there a conspiracy by Christian conservatives?
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 18, 2007, 09:50:19 PM
Does GWB hate the Jews?
That's hard to say, but he definitely hates Iago.
Quote from: Don on May 18, 2007, 10:20:05 PM
That's hard to say, but he definitely hates Iago.
I'm honored to be on his "hate" list
I don't care who's in the cabinet...as long as the killing stops.
Quote from: oyasumi on May 18, 2007, 02:10:11 PM
ZZZZZzzzzzz.....
Did anyone even read this? It completely describes the thread.
this is how i'd design my cabinet:
personally, i prefer Phillipinos over Malaysians and Thais over Cambodians and Albanians over Serbo-Croatians since the names sound cooler.
so if i became president i'd have a bunch of Phillipinos, Thais (or however you call them), and Albanians, maybe a few Jewish guys and 30% black people and 2% Puerto Rican and 3.4% Russian and .5% Himalayan, 15% Georgian and 0.1% Antarctican. But I will refuse to let anyone from Sri Lanka, Nigeria, Brasil, Ireland, or anyone who has a Russian dad and a Vietnamese mother, or anyone with an Australian grandma who is 96, or anyone with a backwards head join my administration. That would be completely unacceptable >:(
:)
Quote from: oyasumi on May 19, 2007, 03:44:05 AM
Did anyone even read this? It completely describes the thread.
イア ゴ は僕達が眠り込みたくて, 鼻汁を頭の上におかれるんだ. ;)
Quote from: greg on May 19, 2007, 04:47:19 AM
this is how i'd design my cabinet:
personally, i prefer Phillipinos over Malaysians and Thais over Cambodians and Albanians over Serbo-Croatians since the names sound cooler.
so if i became president i'd have a bunch of Phillipinos, Thais (or however you call them), and Albanians, maybe a few Jewish guys and 30% black people and 2% Puerto Rican and 3.4% Russian and .5% Himalayan, 15% Georgian and 0.1% Antarctican. But I will refuse to let anyone from Sri Lanka, Nigeria, Brasil, Ireland, or anyone who has a Russian dad and a Vietnamese mother, or anyone with an Australian grandma who is 96, or anyone with a backwards head join my administration. That would be completely unacceptable >:(
:)
presumably also no gays...
Quote from: Guido on May 23, 2007, 11:54:15 AM
presumably also no gays...
i'd let them in, but they'd have to be so gay that you can tell it from a mile away- just to avoid any confusion, in case one of them tries to make a move on a straight guy
but if you're sorta inbetween, nope, you need to figure yourself out first before you can come into the cabinet, so when you come out...... huh, now i'm lost ???
lol!
We lost a Saul, but have a Iago. Is always necessary
to have a fanatic to argue with,
Wasn't the first Bush press secretary Jewish? Ari Fleisher or something like that.
Except Saul didn't argue. As soon as any sense of logical discussion came into play he would use a ::), claim that the other person was being childish/immature/an idiot and completely fail to answer any point about anything on any level.
I think the lack of jews on GW's cabinet suggests less his anti-semite tendencies than his anti-intellectual tendencies. Jews, if I may judge an ethnicity as a whole, are known for their academic prowess. That is a tendency that would not impress W much. He likes those texan go-getter types more. Less thinking/more action is the M.O. in this admin.
Quote from: sonic1 on May 23, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
I think the lack of jews on GW's cabinet suggests less his anti-semite tendencies than his anti-intellectual tendencies. Jews, if I may judge an ethnicity as a whole, are known for their academic prowess. That is a tendency that would not impress W much. He likes those texan go-getter types more. Less thinking/more action is the M.O. in this admin.
But haven't some of the leading neo-cons been Jewish (eg, Irving Kristol)?
Quote from: sonic1 on May 23, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
I think the lack of jews on GW's cabinet suggests less his anti-semite tendencies than his anti-intellectual tendencies. Jews, if I may judge an ethnicity as a whole, are known for their academic prowess.
Well, sure thats why he put blacks, mexicans, a Mormon & a Chinawoman on the cabinet. :P
Greg, I don't often laugh out loud when reading threads on this forum (for comedy, I turn to my stacks of sitcoms on DVD), but both of your posts on page two have caused me to laugh till tears stream down my face. So thank you. ;D
Quote from: bwv 1080 on May 23, 2007, 01:43:16 PM
Well, sure thats why he put blacks, mexicans, a Mormon & a Chinawoman on the cabinet. :P
I hope that was a tongue in cheek comment...
...all except for the Mormon (you choose religion, but not ethnicity).
Quote from: sonic1 on May 23, 2007, 02:15:03 PM
I hope that was a tongue in cheek comment...
...all except for the Mormon (you choose religion, but not ethnicity).
See the tongue in cheek -> :P
Quote from: sonic1 on May 23, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
I think the lack of jews on GW's cabinet suggests less his anti-semite tendencies than his anti-intellectual tendencies. Jews, if I may judge an ethnicity as a whole, are known for their academic prowess. That is a tendency that would not impress W much. He likes those texan go-getter types more. Less thinking/more action is the M.O. in this admin.
Are you being serious? Or do you need to put a few extra smilies on there to ensure your sarcasm?
Quote from: Mark on May 23, 2007, 02:05:24 PM
Greg, I don't often laugh out loud when reading threads on this forum (for comedy, I turn to my stacks of sitcoms on DVD), but both of your posts on page two have caused me to laugh till tears stream down my face. So thank you. ;D
spank you, spank you very much ;)
Quoteイア ゴ は僕達が眠り込みたくて, 鼻汁を頭の上におかれるんだ.
while i'm at it, i meant to say that "Iago wants us to fall asleep so he can put buggers on our heads", but somehow it came out in Japanese! :-[
(i need to get this keyboard fixed)
Quote from: JCampbell on May 23, 2007, 10:15:04 PM
Are you being serious? Or do you need to put a few extra smilies on there to ensure your sarcasm?
oh boy. Always one of these around.
Yes, I am seriously saying that Bush is anti-intellectual. Rushing into Iraq when many were saying not to, and manipulating evidence to support the action, rather than consider the results of the action is anti-intellectual, and pro-action. I am sure he thought that it just took some quick action and them bam, problem solved-despite the thinkers telling him it was was a bad idea.
But if you are a bushie, I REALLY don't have any interest in arguing about it with you. Your president is an idiot, everyone knows it, ...move on. Maybe you guys can put forth someone with at least HALF a brain next time.
Quote from: carlos on May 23, 2007, 12:27:46 PM
We lost a Saul, but have a Iago. Is always necessary
to have a fanatic to argue with,
I am not a fanatic over this issue. And I will NOT argue with anybody over it. I created this thread only to be able to see the ridiculous responses it has engendered. Especially from that papoose known as greg.
I merely stand aside watching and reading the posts frtom the fools you prove yourselves to be.
Quote from: Iago on May 24, 2007, 11:28:24 AM
I am not a fanatic over this issue. And I will NOT argue with anybody over it. I created this thread only to be able to see the ridiculous responses it has engendered. Especially from that papoose known as greg.
I merely stand aside watching and reading the posts frtom the fools you prove yourselves to be.
That is a little self-righteous. You must be greatly enlightened Iago. I crumble in your presence!
BTW Iago, it is THAT last post that makes you more like Saul than you imagine.
Quote from: sonic1 on May 24, 2007, 08:29:26 AM
oh boy. Always one of these around.
Yes, I am seriously saying that Bush is anti-intellectual.
Hard to imagine that anyone would think otherwise.
Quote from: sonic1 on May 24, 2007, 11:30:54 AM
That is a little self-righteous. You must be greatly enlightened Iago. I crumble in your presence!
Damned right, I am!!
Quote from: sonic1 on May 24, 2007, 08:29:26 AM
oh boy. Always one of these around.
Yes, I am seriously saying that Bush is anti-intellectual. Rushing into Iraq when many were saying not to, and manipulating evidence to support the action, rather than consider the results of the action is anti-intellectual, and pro-action. I am sure he thought that it just took some quick action and them bam, problem solved-despite the thinkers telling him it was was a bad idea.
But if you are a bushie, I REALLY don't have any interest in arguing about it with you. Your president is an idiot, everyone knows it, ...move on. Maybe you guys can put forth someone with at least HALF a brain next time.
Quote from: JCampbell's profile
Location: Victoria, BC
Quote from: sonic1's profile
Location: Tuscon, Arizona USA
YOU must really be an anti-intellectual yourself, if you consider making blatant assumptions about people's location, political viewpoint, and intellegence based on a single response to what is arguably an unfounded comment.
Not that it's any of your business, but I have no political affiliation. I find it amazing that every time some rancid thread pops up about how GWB is the new Satan or whatever, everyone on this board has a nice collective circle jerk bush bashing parade. It's fucking pathetic. Instead of immediately spewing forth the vitrol which you like to think of as critical thinking, try honestly assessing your own comments. Try separate your blatant hyperbole with the actual situation.
Do you REALLY think that GWB is against smart people? Even if he did make mistakes, etc... that doesn't prove your outrageous assumption. But like I said, as long as a comment made about bush is negative, the critical thinking which seems to permeate all other places on this message board goes out the window. I'm not even sure why this thread is still allowed to continue. Maybe I should make a thread about how the next Democratic Presidential nominee is against homosexuals. I can't wait to see everyone spit their 15 syllable caffeinated beverages all over the screen.
By the way, he's YOUR president, whether you voted for him or not. If you really can't stand him, then I suggest you leave the country like all the other celebrities doing so. Surely it's the intellectual thing to do.
You're right,JC, He's YOUR president,for bad or for worst,
and you must support him,whatever he does. It's like
to have had a down child. You will love him just the
same. Well, you have a down president,so...
No man...he's not my president. Look at my location...
Quote from: greg on May 19, 2007, 04:47:19 AM
and 0.1% Antarctican.
Good luck with that, Greg ........
I've got three main reservations about Bush:
1. He's bad news. By this I simply mean that, as President, he has terrible luck and it spreads to the citizenry.
2. He makes many decisions based on ideology - doesn't require much thinking.
3. He refuses to reconsider his original decisions (unless absolutely forced to by circumstances).
Quote from: JCampbell on May 24, 2007, 02:56:52 PM
No man...he's not my president. Look at my location...
If he's not, how can you defend him?. His only defens
on trial would be his alcoholism, his very low intelligence
and his absolute ignorance.
Quote from: carlos on May 24, 2007, 04:37:04 PM
If he's not, how can you defend him?. His only defens
on trial would be his alcoholism, his very low intelligence
and his absolute ignorance.
Are you suggesting that Bush remains a boozer? My impression was that Bush has given up the sauce.
Quote from: carlos on May 24, 2007, 04:37:04 PM
If he's not, how can you defend him?. His only defens
on trial would be his alcoholism, his very low intelligence
and his absolute ignorance.
I haven't defended his actions. He makes decisions. People don't like them. So instead of posting about that, we get claims of Bush's hatred of Jews
ad naueseum THAT is anti-intellectual. And isn't being intellectual something which many people on this board pride themselves in? Sure seems like it. All I ask is that there's a bit of quality control on this site. BS comments like this:
Quote from: sonic1
I think the lack of jews on GW's cabinet suggests less his anti-semite tendencies than his anti-intellectual tendencies. Jews, if I may judge an ethnicity as a whole, are known for their academic prowess. That is a tendency that would not impress W much. He likes those texan go-getter types more. Less thinking/more action is the M.O. in this admin.
don't belong here. It contains:
-blatant generalization about race (but we don't mind! it makes jews look good!)
-generalization about Bush's views on intelligent people (we don't care...it makes bush look bad!)
-generalization about Texans (but that one was kinda funny)
So if calling BS is equivalent to 'defending the president,' then I'm guilty as charged.
Quote from: JCampbell on May 24, 2007, 01:07:17 PM
YOU must really be an anti-intellectual yourself, if you consider making blatant assumptions about people's location, political viewpoint, and intellegence based on a single response to what is arguably an unfounded comment.
Not that it's any of your business, but I have no political affiliation. I find it amazing that every time some rancid thread pops up about how GWB is the new Satan or whatever, everyone on this board has a nice collective circle jerk bush bashing parade. It's fucking pathetic. Instead of immediately spewing forth the vitrol which you like to think of as critical thinking, try honestly assessing your own comments. Try separate your blatant hyperbole with the actual situation.
Do you REALLY think that GWB is against smart people? Even if he did make mistakes, etc... that doesn't prove your outrageous assumption. But like I said, as long as a comment made about bush is negative, the critical thinking which seems to permeate all other places on this message board goes out the window. I'm not even sure why this thread is still allowed to continue. Maybe I should make a thread about how the next Democratic Presidential nominee is against homosexuals. I can't wait to see everyone spit their 15 syllable caffeinated beverages all over the screen.
By the way, he's YOUR president, whether you voted for him or not. If you really can't stand him, then I suggest you leave the country like all the other celebrities doing so. Surely it's the intellectual thing to do.
hey, you know how sick I am of this same opinion I have heard over and over again? Just as sick as you might be of mine. And if he is not your president, then where do you get off getting in my face about my impression of him. Stick to your own stupid country. You don't have to be subject to his decisions nearly as much as I do.
I am not a partisan by the way. I have plenty of opinions that would piss off a far lefty too. I have many friends on both the left and right of center, and they all hate Bush pretty much. The only people that seem at all pleased with him are the far right, and the people who support the president no matter what the president does. I don't live in a fascist government, so I believe it is ok not to support the actions of the person elected to represent me.
No, I didn't look at your location because I really didn't wish to exchange with you about this. Especially since you are a friggin Canadian. Stick to your own politics buddy. You aren't even informed enough for exchange.
<edit>I don't know how to ignore people, so this post isn't worth it. I'll stick to my politics.
Quote from: JCampbell on May 24, 2007, 05:30:36 PM
My country is stupid? So much for an intellectual retort. I guess it must get pretty sickening whenever someone calls BS on your recockulous comments.Good for you! Want a cookie? I don't care if you have 'scary' opinions. Just make what opinions you DO have informed ones. Can you honestly say that your original comment (which I won't quote because you know exactly what you've said), is informed? Hell no. I took the liberty of translating you for you:I may not know much about politics; but I do know how to spot BS. Yours is on a piece of toilet paper hanging from your hush puppies. Might want to take it off, it's ruining your intellect.
Don't bother responding. You won't have the luxery of knowing I read it.
I wasn't really calling your country stupid. It was a manner of speaking; I was trying to be offensive mainly to YOU. I have had it with Bush and with his few dangling dingleberry supporters and all the rocks they hide under (even if it be Canada).
I mentioned that I didn't want to have a back and forth with you because just being a Bush appologizer informs me that you have to be a complete moron, and therefore not worth exchanging with.
Quote from: sonic1 on May 24, 2007, 05:39:39 PM
I wasn't really calling your country stupid. It was a manner of speaking; I was trying to be offensive mainly to YOU. I have had it with Bush and with his few dangling dingleberry supporters and all the rocks they hide under (even if it be Canada).
I'm not a bush supporter. I already gave my reasons for responding as I did.
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I mentioned that I didn't want to have a back and forth with you because just being a Bush appologizer informs me that you have to be a complete moron, and therefore not worth exchanging with.
See above.
Anyways, I'm sorry if I was harsh. Your comment just pissed me off. I don't know how in the right I am rummaging through other people's trash. I didn't join this board to make enemies, but to discuss music. Perhaps I'll step out of the diner for the time being.
Quote from: greg on May 19, 2007, 04:47:19 AM
and 0.1% Antarctican.
Greg, are you limiting this to people
born in Antarctica?
You know what I find about Jewish people, as a group they are so passive. Why don't they unite like the African Americans so you have a voice. Look at them, bastards burn their synagogues and they say nothing. Morons make anti-semitic movies and they say nothing. Imagine a movie where a guy walks into a gun store and says: give me the best gun to kill a Negroe. You think that would fly in America? But somehow substitute Negroe for Jew and it's okay.
Quote from: D Minor on May 24, 2007, 05:48:30 PM
Greg, are you limiting this to people born in Antarctica?
Greg can appoint any of the FIVE Antarticans from our very own GMG :D:
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,982.0.html
Quote from: Novitiate on May 24, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
Greg can appoint any of the FIVE Antarticans from our very own GMG :D:
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,982.0.html
:D
10.4% of the GMG voters are from Antarctica ....... cool .......
Quote from: D Minor on May 24, 2007, 06:25:58 PM
:D
10.4% of the GMG voters are from Antarctica ....... cool .......
see, my old penguin friends always go on GMG and make up names, but they don't post a lot. However, they are highly nationalistic so they jumped on that thread like they jump on ice when they get done swimming. They sometimes kill scientists, too, but that's rare, and usually only the gang members, especially the ones from the "Kwak Honk Bler" gang (which was started by Vietnamese immigrant penguins).
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 24, 2007, 06:12:40 PM
You know what I find about Jewish people, as a group they are so passive. Why don't they unite like the African Americans so you have a voice. Look at them, bastards burn their synagogues and they say nothing. Morons make anti-semitic movies and they say nothing. Imagine a movie where a guy walks into a gun store and says: give me the best gun to kill a Negroe. You think that would fly in America? But somehow substitute Negroe for Jew and it's okay.
no, the general public would find that offensive and anti-semitic even if they aren't Jewish. If it were for black people, their complaints would be heard because, well... there's WAY more black people than Jewish people in America. About one out of every 3 in most places compared to what ratio of Jews? not much, probably...
Quote from: greg on May 25, 2007, 06:54:29 AM
no, the general public would find that offensive and anti-semitic even if they aren't Jewish. If it were for black people, their complaints would be heard because, well... there's WAY more black people than Jewish people in America. About one out of every 3 in most places compared to what ratio of Jews? not much, probably...
Isn't there a line in the stupid movie
Borat where he walks into a gun store and says something to the order of: What's the best gun for killing a Jew?
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 24, 2007, 06:12:40 PM
You know what I find about Jewish people, as a group they are so passive. Why don't they unite like the African Americans so you have a voice. Look at them, bastards burn their synagogues and they say nothing. Morons make anti-semitic movies and they say nothing. Imagine a movie where a guy walks into a gun store and says: give me the best gun to kill a Negroe. You think that would fly in America? But somehow substitute Negroe for Jew and it's okay.
I respect your posts as a rule, P, but I can't believe you'd even be half-serious about the above.
The Jewish people...passive? Needing to band together? You must be joking...?
Quote from: Haffner on May 25, 2007, 07:00:46 AM
I respect your posts as a rule, P, but I can't believe you'd even be half-serious about the above.
The Jewish people...passive? Needing to band together? You must be joking...?
Not so much band together but have a stronger voice. You know how Al Sharpton (who's a total disgrace by the way) and Jess Jackson are always there whenever anything happens to a black, how come there isn't a Jewish counterpart to that. How do the Jewish people sit idle and let some punk burn and deface your synagogues. I would be on national TV or on the steps of the Capitol demanding some sort of action against these hate crimes.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 25, 2007, 07:06:19 AM
Not so much band together but have a stronger voice. You know how Al Sharpton (who's a total disgrace by the way) and Jess Jackson are always there whenever anything happens to a black, how come there isn't a Jewish counterpart to that. How do the Jewish people sit idle and let some punk burn and deface your synagogues. I would be on national TV or on the steps of the Capitol demanding some sort of action against these hate crimes.
Thanks for explaining, and I understand your point. I wonder if the Jewish people feel as though they don't
need such a spokesperson. One could argue that they seem to be doing overall pretty damn well overall, especially in the U.S.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 25, 2007, 06:59:21 AM
Isn't there a line in the stupid movie Borat where he walks into a gun store and says something to the order of: What's the best gun for killing a Jew?
i've never actually seen that movie yet
Quote from: Haffner on May 25, 2007, 07:09:46 AM
Thanks for explaining, and I understand your point. I wonder if the Jewish people feel as though they don't need such a spokesperson. One could argue that they seem to be doing overall pretty damn well overall, especially in the U.S.
Financially they are doing very very well. I think throughout history the Jewish people have done very well for themselves. Maybe it's this success that is one of the causes of anti-Semitism. People are jealous of success. Weren't many Jews prominent bankers and businessmen in Europe. But they seem to not have any political clout, otherwise how come nobody helped them when 6 million of them got killed.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 25, 2007, 06:59:21 AM
Isn't there a line in the stupid movie Borat where he walks into a gun store and says something to the order of: What's the best gun for killing a Jew?
You ass. The joke about Borat is that he is making fun of anti-semites, not jews. His jew jokes are to make anti-semites feel more comfortable so they expose themselves. Obviously you might have fallen into the trap.
And for the record, I for one am glad there is no jewish Al Sharpton.
Quote from: sonic1 on May 25, 2007, 07:34:29 AM
You ass. The joke about Borat is that he is making fun of antisemites, not jews.
Well then, I didn't find that joke a bit funny then.
Imus wasn't really making fun of blacks either but he got himself canned.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 25, 2007, 07:37:55 AM
Well then, I didn't find that joke a bit funny then.
Imus wasn't really making fun of blacks either but he got himself canned.
Now you say that.
Borat is not a rascist. He IS a jew for godsakes, and a strict one at that who holds the sabbath on saturday. He plays the part of a rascist in order to catch these idiots with their real opinions. They usually let down (where they would normally be careful) and then expose themselves.
Anyway, I would rather not hear any more from YOU the self-proclaimed expert on jews.
Quote from: sonic1 on May 25, 2007, 07:40:35 AM
Anyway, I would rather not hear any more from YOU the self-proclaimed expert on jews.
Not an expert, just an observer.
i knew an anti-semitic penguin once....
Quote from: greg on May 25, 2007, 07:44:04 AM
i knew an anti-semitic penguin once....
How did you know the animal was anti-semitic? You speak penguin?
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 25, 2007, 07:45:09 AM
How did you know the animal was anti-semitic? You speak penguin?
:o
You mean you
don't? :D
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 25, 2007, 07:45:09 AM
How did you know the animal was anti-semitic? You speak penguin?
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oh yeah.......
his name was "Ice Skater, the Jew Hater"