Dear all,
Have anyone of you heard Bashkirov's playing on recordings? Are they good? And which ones are worth buying?
Brahms - Capriccio op.76 no.2
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Quote from: Drasko on November 04, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
Brahms - Capriccio op.76 no.2
[mp3=200,20,0,left]http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/24/2018019/Brahms%20-%20Capriccio%20op.76%20no.2.mp3[/mp3]
Thanks Drasko for the recommendation. Is it because of his very limited recorded output or he is more of a famous teacher than a pianist?
He taught some now very well-known pianists and still teaches pianists that'll one day be known well too. I don't think he's recorded very much though. Dan Koren used to recommend his Ravel left-hand concerto and a Schubert Sonata as about as good as anything gets. Zhiliang have you ever heard Natan Brand?
Quote from: ezodisy on November 07, 2008, 12:11:56 AM
He taught some now very well-known pianists and still teaches pianists that'll one day be known well too. I don't think he's recorded very much though.
Nope, very little AFAIK
Quote from: ezodisy on November 07, 2008, 12:11:56 AM
Dan Koren used to recommend his Ravel left-hand concerto and a Schubert Sonata as about as good as anything gets.
The D.845 - OOP, but I have it here if anyone wants to download:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=8517fa91b1f0f371ab1eab3e9fa335ca6bc2c8bd0056c2ae
Thanks, Simon. Don't think I heard that. It seems that he did record some but very little made to CD (there are more LPs on e-bay), basically only two can be found, both Russian Compact Disc - one with Bach, Mozart and Ravel concertos and othe with Schubert and Prokofiev.
Only thing I have is some Brahms on old Harmonia Mundi CD, long oop.
No worries. It's from the 'Russian Piano School' series, I'll have to upload the rest of the CD at a later date as I don't currently have the greatest ISP. There's Prokofiev Sonata no.8, Visions Fugitives and some Schubert Impromptus...
Quote from: ezodisy on November 07, 2008, 12:11:56 AM
He taught some now very well-known pianists and still teaches pianists that'll one day be known well too. I don't think he's recorded very much though. Dan Koren used to recommend his Ravel left-hand concerto and a Schubert Sonata as about as good as anything gets. Zhiliang have you ever heard Natan Brand?
Hi Ezodisy,
Thanks for your recommendations, its really a waste that he has not recorded more. Many have flocked to his masterclasses. I only know Natan Brand as an Israeli pianist and teacher. Have not heard his playing though. Why?
Quote from: Zhiliang on November 09, 2008, 08:32:30 AM
I only know Natan Brand as an Israeli pianist and teacher. Have not heard his playing though. Why?
because it's some of the best playing you'll ever hear. :P
Quote from: Zhiliang on November 03, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
Dear all,
Have anyone of you heard Bashkirov's playing on recordings? Are they good? And which ones are worth buying?
They are good, but he is a better teacher and he didn't like is own recordings!
Quote from: ezodisy on November 09, 2008, 09:33:42 AM
because it's some of the best playing you'll ever hear. :P
Actually, i am kind of curious more in a sense that you mentioned him in light of a Bashkirov's thread. Is it because of his rare recorded works that many have neglected?
I did a search and came up with this cd.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FBX7BPVVL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Is there anywhere i could get a full collection, or are the rest of the volumes OOP?
Quote from: ragman1970 on November 10, 2008, 10:09:20 AM
They are good, but he is a better teacher and he didn't like is own recordings!
Maybe he is always critical of his works, and as a teacher and an always evolving musician, he might never be satisfied with one recorded interpretation. Which ones of his cds have you heard? And how would you describe them? Do you personally like them? Comparable to any other pianist?
Quote from: ezodisy on November 09, 2008, 09:33:42 AM
because it's some of the best playing you'll ever hear. :P
Wow, i happened to chance upon your youtube video of Natan Brand playing Schumann's Kreisleriana, and it was astounding. A big Wow!
Quote from: Zhiliang on November 10, 2008, 04:48:46 PM
Is there anywhere i could get a full collection, or are the rest of the volumes OOP?
There are no other volumes, at least not yet.
I don't know why I mentioned him -- probably because so few have heard of him (like Bashkirov but even fewer). Talk of volume 2 has been going on for a while. I've seen the set list and it doesn't particularly interest me, only other thing I really want to hear is his Schumann Sym Etudes which were included in the out of print APR set. Could anyone upload that recording?
APR set is impossible to find, do you know perhaps is the overlapping material with Palexa (Kreisleriana, Blumenstück, Chopin 4h Ballade and 1st Scherzo) same recordings or different?
I don't know, I would guess they're the same though.
His old Scriabin Piano Concerto with Kondrashin must also be mentioned as one of the best,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8gE4EAOsNA
and his Mozart 24 with Gauk is likewise interesting.
Recordings rarely turn up, his early decades seem perhaps to be the most interesting ...
But there´s quite a lot on you-tube to be found now.
The Mozart concerto hasn't ever really stood out from the crowd for me, apart from the fact that he plays an unusual cadenza (but I don't much like it.) Not that it's a bad performance. On the contrary. Maybe I've missed something -- I find PC24 quite hard to get my mind round. There's a PC17 (with Barshai?) which I enjoyed a bit more I think. I'm going from memory, but he slows things down there doesn't here, quite effectively.
The record which I value the most I think is an early LP with half a dozen Chopin mazurkas. I found a trannsfer on a Russian pirate site a while ago. There's some real spontaneous sounding playing in that LP.
He lives in Spain, he's married to Daniel Barenboim's daughter. He teaches piano -- I think he taught Volodos for a while.
Quote from: toucan on November 15, 2011, 05:25:50 AM
If he is married to Daniel Barenboim's daughter then he is committing a particular perverse form of incest as Daniel Barenboim is married to his - i.e. Dmitri Bashkirov's - daughter, the pianist Elena Bashkirova.
Come to think of it, Daniel Barenboim does not have a daughter. Unless one his two sons, the hip-hop personality David Barenboim and the violinist Michael Barenboim, has had gender-reorientation surgery.
Funny how the little details an matter so much.
Regarding the Mozart 24th Concerto, I agree that it is somehow one of his most distanced and sphinx-like works.
Heard the Bashkirov/Gauk recording a couple of times again. It is a relatively fast rendering with some peculiar accents + the rather expressive cadenza (Hummel´s 100 bars, probably later than 1827. It is also featured in the Rubinstein/Krips recording of 1958).
It´s been a while since I heard my other versions though, and they form a rather random set (Rubinstein/Krips, Han/Freeman (only his 12th Cto caught my attention a bit), Schiff/Vegh, Piazzini, Perahia, Brendel/Marriner, Schnabel/Susskind, Haskil/Markevich, Curzon/Kertesz, Solomon/Menges, Battista/Froschauer (poor, anonymous, avoidable), Gieseking/Karajan).
I like the almost waltzy hints, Gauk gives the orchestral introduction. Bashikirov´s playing afterwards is often rather forceful and tense, reminding me of the Beethoven c-minor concerto´s 1st movement much more than it is usually the case (was there any relation between the two, such as the build-up to the cadenza ?).
The 2nd movement has a promenade-like moving forward, but the fast tempo works IMO. In the final bars, this trait becomes particularly present, the music seems to tip-toe wander off, to a strange effect.
In the 3rd movement, Bashkirov starts with some playing that sounds very much like Mustonen´s or Gould´s moments of pointilism or staccato, and later the march-like character is emphasized, but with rather happy accents also in the orchestra, contrasting with expressive and slower passages, a lot of very varied moods that give many colours to the work. The final bars´ whirlwind-like effect is shorter here than in many other cases, but impressive.
Overall an enjoyable, outgoingly contrastful and rather unusual recording I think.
The youtube material of another, more recent Mozart Cto 17 , already mentioned, doesn´t seem bad either and of course has better sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfEpc3wqX5Q&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL7896CD960F4C52F1
EDIT:
heard the Perahia, Gieseking/Karajan and the Rubinstein/Krips for comparison.
Perahia is middle-of-the-road, but I usually find it difficult to hear variation or contrast in his piano sound, also here.
Gieseking/Karajan was too coarse to me, the most interesting part being the extremely slow, rather disturbing or questioning slow movement.
Rubinstein/Krips were intriguing in the 1st and 2nd movement, with a lot of phrasing very different from and much broader than the other versions
(the contrast to Bashkirov was especially striking in the last bars of the 2nd movement; Rubinstein slows down and fades out, where Bashkirov
speeds up and accentuates). But they literally seem to run out of energy before the finale, which was simply poor, I think.
In Bashkirov/Gauk the orchestral playing sometimes lacks rehearsel and the introduction especially is hurried and unpolished, but at other
times it works fine and engaged. Overall, I´d prefer Bashkirov to the others, but am happy to own other more traditional performances with better sound also.
(http://www.sound-barrier.ru/_Etc/Image.ashx?ImageId=96bb1e36-2440-4866-9bc1-d60e42180699&Size=1)
Just bought this LP (Mozart: Concerto 20 & Concert rondo K380 - Bashkirov with Sondeckis, recorded in 1983). The orchestra is very chamber-like and small. Th piano playing has many details and is quite sparkling, but the overall effect is markedly classical & the drama of the piece is downplayed a lot if compared to most other versions. The playing is thus very different from Bashkirov´s early recording of Concerto 24.