From the folks who brought you the 100 Greatest Symphonies!
1. Ludwig Van Beethoven - 1770-1827
2. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 1756-1791
3. Johann Sebastian Bach - 1685-1750
4. Richard Wagner - 1813-1883
5. Joseph Haydn - 1732-1809
6. Johannes Brahms - 1833-1897
7. Franz Schubert - 1797-1828
8. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky - 1840-1893
9. George Frideric Handel - 1685-1759
10. Igor Stravinsky - 1882-1971
11. Robert Schumann - 1810-1856
12. Frederic Chopin - 1810-1849
13. Felix Mendelssohn - 1809-1847
14. Claude Debussy - 1862-1918
15. Franz Liszt - 1811-1886
16. Antonin Dvorak - 1841-1904
17. Giuseppe Verdi - 1813-1901
18. Gustav Mahler - 1860-1911
19. Hector Berlioz - 1803-1869
20. Antonio Vivaldi - 1678-1741
21. Richard Strauss - 1864-1949
22. Serge Prokofiev - 1891-1953
23. Dmitri Shostakovich - 1906-1975
24. Béla Bartók - 1881-1945
25. Anton Bruckner - 1824-1896
26. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - 1525-1594
27. Claudio Monteverdi - 1567-1643
28. Jean Sibelius - 1865-1957
29. Maurice Ravel - 1875-1937
30. Ralph Vaughan Williams - 1872-1958
31. Modest Mussorgsky - 1839-1881
32. Giacomo Puccini - 1858-1924
33. Henry Purcell - 1659-1695
34. Gioacchino Rossini - 1792-1868
35. Edward Elgar - 1857-1934
36. Sergei Rachmaninoff - 1873-1943
37. Camille Saint-Saëns - 1835-1921
38. Josquin Des Prez - c.1440-1521
39. Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - 1844-1908
40. Carl Maria von Weber - 1786-1826
41. Jean-Philippe Rameau - 1683-1764
42. Jean-Baptiste Lully - 1632-1687
43. Gabriel Fauré - 1845-1924
44. Edvard Grieg - 1843-1907
45. Christoph Willibald Gluck - 1714-1787
46. Arnold Schoenberg - 1874-1951
47. Charles Ives - 1874-1954
48. Paul Hindemith - 1895-1963
49. Olivier Messiaen - 1908-1992
50. Aaron Copland - 1900-1990
51. Francois Couperin - 1668-1733
52. William Byrd - 1539-1623
53. Erik Satie - 1866-1925
54. Benjamin Britten - 1913-1976
55. Bedrick Smetana - 1824-1884
56. César Franck - 1822-1890
57. Alexander Nikolayevich Scriabin - 1872-1915
58. Georges Bizet - 1838-1875
59. Domenico Scarlatti - 1685-1757
60. Georg Philipp Telemann - 1681-1767
61. Anton Webern - 1883-1945
62. Roland de Lassus - 1532-1594
63. George Gershwin - 1898-1937
64. Gaetano Donizetti - 1797-1848
65. Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach - 1714-1788
66. Archangelo Corelli - 1653-1713
67. Thomas Tallis - 1505-1585
68. Jules Massenet - 1842-1912
69. Johann Strauss II - 1825-1899
70. Leos Janácek - 1854-1928
71. Guillaume de Machaut - 1300-1377
72. Alban Berg - 1885-1935
73. Alexander Borodin - 1833-1887
74. Vincenzo Bellini - 1801-1835
75. Charles Gounod - 1818-1893
76. Francis Poulenc - 1899-1963
77. Giovanni Gabrieli - 1554-1612
78. Pérotin - 1160-1225
79. Heinrich Schütz - 1585-1672
80. John Cage - 1912-1992
81. Giovanni Battista Pergolesi - 1710-1736
82. John Dowland - 1563-1626
83. Gustav Holst - 1874-1934
84. Dietrich Buxtehude - 1637-1707
85. Ottorino Respighi - 1879-1936
86. Guillaume Dufay - 1400-1474
87. Hugo Wolf - 1860-1903
88. Carl Nielsen - 1865-1931
89. William Walton - 1902-1983
90. Darius Milhaud - 1892-1974
91. Orlando Gibbons - 1583-1625
92. Giacomo Meyerbeer - 1791-1864
93. Samuel Barber - 1910-1981
94. Tomás Luis de Victoria - 1549-1611
95. Léonin - 1135-1201
96. Manuel de Falla - 1876-1946
97. Hildegard von Bingen - 1098-1179
98. Mikhail Glinka - 1804-1857
99. Alexander Glazunov - 1865-1936
100. Don Carlo Gesualdo - 1566-1613 (http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best-classic-comp.html)
**runs away**
Another tedious opinion poll? ???
Strauss II comes before Berg! :D :D
Quote from: opus67 on November 09, 2008, 07:49:08 AM
Strauss II comes before Berg! :D :D
The people have spoken! 0:)
>:D
To the people:
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:D
Elgar beats Schoenberg! The triumph of Fascism is complete!!
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I'd be happy with 1 through 33. ;D
Not a bad list as such things go - but Liszt at 15?
What a shite ist.
;D
::)
Well that's a succinct appraisal ;D
Quote from: James on November 09, 2008, 10:32:01 AM
no surprise but LOTS of excess baggage on that list...
Such as?
Quote from: Norbeone on November 10, 2008, 06:18:10 AM
What a shite ist.
;D
::)
Actually, I don't think it's a shite ist at all. It recognizes there is music preceding Bach and following Ravel, and though there are a few dubious candidates as well as a few unfortunate omissions, it's about as good of its type (highly questionable in itself) as I've seen.
Quote from: Sforzando on November 10, 2008, 06:54:21 AM
Actually, I don't think it's a shite ist at all. It recognizes there is music preceding Bach and following Ravel, and though there are a few dubious candidates as well as a few unfortunate omissions, it's about as good of its type (highly questionable in itself) as I've seen.
My feelings exactly.
Random comments then-
Schoenberg(46), Janacek(70) and Carl Nielsen(88)....all too low! Respighi(No.85) ahead of Nielsen?? Much as I love Respighi's music......!
Not included but should be- Honegger(much better composer than Milhaud(No.90), Martinu, and (even though I am not sympathetic to their music) Boulez, Carter and Lutoslawski
Hindemith too high at No.48....again, much as I admire Hindemith!
Walton lucky to make it at No. 89 over Tippett(not included)
Glazunov lucky to be in at No.99
Oh!....and Havergal Brian, of course ;D ;)
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 10, 2008, 07:23:03 AM
Random comments then-
Schoenberg(46), Janacek(70) and Carl Nielsen(88)....all too low! Respighi(No.85) ahead of Nielsen?? Much as I love Respighi's music......!
Not included but should be- Honegger(much better composer than Milhaud(No.90), Martinu, and (even though I am not sympathetic to their music) Boulez, Carter and Lutoslawski
Hindemith too high at No.48....again, much as I admire Hindemith!
Walton lucky to make it at No. 89 over Tippett(not included)
Glazunov lucky to be in at No.99
A GMG eccentric! ;D
;)
Quote from: mn dave on November 10, 2008, 07:30:49 AM
A GMG eccentric!
That's like a tautology, isn't it?
*runs and hides behind Mr. Dave* :D ;)
Quote from: opus67 on November 10, 2008, 07:37:27 AM
That's like a tautology, isn't it?
*runs and hides behind Mr. Dave* :D ;)
Ha! :D
34. Gioacchino Rossini - 1792-1868
88. Carl Nielsen - 1865-1931
Ha.
Well, Rossini has composed more for Warner Bros. cartoons than Nielsen, indirectly influencing the life of many in the future to classical music.
Quote from: opus67 on November 10, 2008, 07:51:02 AM
Well, Rossini has composed more for Warner Bros. cartoons than Nielsen, indirectly influencing the life of many in the future to classical music.
Yes, Rossini is HUGE!
Quote from: mn dave on November 10, 2008, 07:51:45 AM
Yes, Rossini is HUGE!
Well he could never eat just
one chocolate eclair whenever the plate came around.
Quote from: mn dave on November 10, 2008, 07:51:45 AM
Yes, Rossini is HUGE!
Rossini is a splendid composer. Seriously.
As for Dundonnell's changes, I would make most of 'em myself. Except to put Respighi at about #400, or maybe #398 if I'm feeling charitable. Havergal Brian - maybe in the top 1000.
Quote from: Sforzando on November 10, 2008, 08:01:11 AM
Rossini is a splendid composer. Seriously.
As for Dundonnell's changes, I would make most of 'em myself. Except to put Respighi at about #400, or maybe #398 if I'm feeling charitable. Havergal Brian - maybe in the top 1000.
I agree on Respighi. Does anyone actually enjoy his music?
I haven't heard enough Brian to have an opinion and I probably never will. Music for the chamber is my bag.
Quote from: mn dave on November 10, 2008, 08:03:26 AM
I agree on Respighi. Does anyone actually enjoy his music?
I haven't heard enough Brian to have an opinion and I probably never will. Music for the chamber is my bag.
Did you say "does anyone actually enjoy (Respighi's) music?"...??
The answer is 'YES'. Lots of people enjoy Respighi-some of them live here ;D ;) I am one! Rich, colourful, dramatic, exciting, sensuous...Respighi's music is all of these. He was a masterly orchestrator(both of his own and other people's music). He was respected-indeed revered-in Italian musical circles. He was highly influential.
Whether I would place him in the top 100 is another matter. He MIGHT creep in but certainly not ahead of Nielsen!!!!
Quote from: mn dave on November 10, 2008, 08:03:26 AM
I agree on Respighi. Does anyone actually enjoy his music?
I do. Doesn't mean he does belong in the list.
There isn't anyway anyone can come up with a purely objective list of the greatest 100. Impossible. Therefore, I would say this list is as good as anything anyone else might come up with.
The names in particular that struck me as perhaps as a little high or a little low were the following:
Too low:
3. Bach, JS (he should be # 1)
16. Dvorak
23. Shostakovich
56. Franck
Too high:
9. Handel
32. Puccini
63. Gershwin
80. Cage
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 10, 2008, 09:21:08 AM
Too high:
9. Handel
32. Puccini
Not a fan of operas? If you were you'd understand the value of these composers. :P
James,
Some operas are a lots of fun. How about Mozart's operas. His love of life comes so clearly in his operas.
How about Rossine.
People can have fun in their lives.
I am off opera now myself. I love Bach very much.
Quote from: ChamberNut on November 10, 2008, 09:21:08 AM
There isn't anyway anyone can come up with a purely objective list of the greatest 100.
You could make it a
blue* list of 100 composers.
:D Then it would be objectively blue and 100.
You're right that you can't make an objective list of greatness without greatness being something that could be given an objective definition, so it didn't depend on anyone thinking so. Then you could make the list and not worry about what people thought about it, since it would be a statement of fact and not just an opinion.
:P *For this purpose I think we can postpone the question of what blue objectively is and just use a definition like "blue is this color". >:D
At least this list has some modernists and Schoenberg is on there......
Quote from: James on November 10, 2008, 02:17:06 PM
I get physically ill listening to that. :P
You're assuming cause and effect. :D
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All hail the lunatic list!
This is for people who don't like opera. Do you know Beethoven's Fidelio?
How about Katerina Izmailova by Shostakovich or Cunning little vixen by Yanacek. I recently heard Blue Beard's Castle by Barok and I liked it. How about Musirgsky's Boris Godunov?
There are such different operas in style and in content. It is difficult not to like all genre.
Quote from: Lethe on November 11, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
All hail the lunatic list!
Shirley, you jest, Sara. ;D
Quote from: Lethe on November 11, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
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All hail the lunatic list!
That is a VERY scary photo ;D
Quote from: James on November 12, 2008, 05:15:24 AM
That's the only one I truly love as-a-whole, but it's more of a monodrama than an opera proper imo.
Fantastic work!
The scene where the door is opened and the whole of Bluebeard's kingdom is shown is absolutely magnificent :)
Quote from: James on November 12, 2008, 05:15:24 AM
That's the only one I truly love as-a-whole, but it's more of a monodrama than an opera proper imo.
Monodrama is a strange description for a play with two characters.
what about Musirgsky opera like Boris Godunov or Chovanschina.
There are so many different approaches to opera. I don't like Puccini very much, but his Turandot is good.
How about Mondeverdi? He has good operas.
8. Tchaikovsky
14. Debussy
Wow, i like it
No Weill? Joplin? Or any living composer?
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Quote from: mn dave on November 10, 2008, 08:03:26 AM
I agree on Respighi. Does anyone actually enjoy his music?
I do. "Is there a reason I shouldn't?"
[He asked blandly, knowing the sinister import of the question would be obvious...]
I've heard more of his work than the Roman trilogy. Recently I've been listening to
Belkis, Queen of Sheba,
Vetrate di chiesa (Church Windows) and the
Ballata delle Gnomidi (Dance of the Gnomes). I saw a performance of his cantata
Lauda per la Natività del Signore (Laud to the Nativity). I enjoy all of this music though I admit it isn't earth-shakingly advanced. I might not have room for Respighi in a top 100 list, though he would make it into a 100 20th-century composers list fairly easily.
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 10, 2008, 08:32:12 AM
Did you say "does anyone actually enjoy (Respighi's) music?"...??
The answer is 'YES'. Lots of people enjoy Respighi-some of them live here ;D ;) I am one! Rich, colourful, dramatic, exciting, sensuous...Respighi's music is all of these. He was a masterly orchestrator(both of his own and other people's music). He was respected-indeed revered-in Italian musical circles. He was highly influential.
A resounding
yes from me, as well.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 12, 2008, 05:35:11 AM
Monodrama is a strange description for a play with two characters.
I was gonna say... ::)
I wish these types of lists would at least be honest and say they are trying to give a broad cross-section of all composers. Here would be my changes:
Move to the end:
Bartock
Schoenberg (detest the music, understand the contribution)
Ives
Janacek
Berg
Resphigi
Delete:
Des Prez
Hindemith
Messiaen
Lassus
Machaut
Poulanc
Perotin
Cage
Milhaud
Leonin
Replace with:
Offenbach
Khachaturian
Coates
Grainger
Gliere
Minkus
Medtner
Lehar
Arensky
Stenhammar
Quote from: Corey on March 26, 2009, 07:24:29 AM
Gloria Coates? Ahaha, seriously?
Is there another one? I meant Eric Coates. Never met Gloria. ;D
Quote from: ukrneal on March 26, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
Is there another one? I meant Eric Coates. Never met Gloria. ;D
Heh! It would have been strange if you disliked Schoenberg and Berg but somehow found Gloria Coates musical. ;D
The top three look cool to me. 8)
However...
Handel, Mendelssohn, and Vivaldi behind Tchaikovsky and Wagner? They must be mad! Stark raving lunatics! ;D
Mendelssohn's got to be behind Wagner.
I mean: Wagner said so!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 05, 2009, 05:20:31 AM
Mendelssohn's got to be behind Wagner.
I mean: Wagner said so!
Wagner said a lot of other things too... ::)
Quote from: James on November 10, 2008, 10:13:41 AM
Most Opera is a waste of time. :-X
lol
I usually find myself disagreeing with you - but, this is the most disagree-worthy post so far.
Quote from: James on November 12, 2008, 05:15:24 AM
That's the only one I truly love as-a-whole, but it's more of a monodrama than an opera proper imo.
James! I read this as, well....you know. ;D
Some of the composers on this list are quite good.
No Henning on that list. It's not to be taken seriously.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 19, 2009, 10:11:27 AM
No Henning on that list. It's not to be taken seriously.
Subejct for new thread:
"Which musicians have the biggest egos--performers or composers?"
Now, wait just the one minute which picks cotton, ma chère. I don't mind sharing space on the list with 99 others!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 19, 2009, 12:06:16 PM
Now, wait just the one minute which picks cotton, ma chère. I don't mind sharing space on the list with 99 others!
I wouldn't mind either as long as I'm not on the bottom of the list.
Could a case be made for Boccherini on this list?
Wagner before Mendy?
Are you aight?
Quote from: Saul on September 05, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
Wagner before Mendy?
Are you aight?
I would put Wagner before Mendy and I'm 61.
Quote from: Sforzando on September 05, 2009, 06:29:45 PM
I would put Wagner before Mendy and I'm 61.
Well Mendelssohn composed great works from age 16 (octet)
Right your opposite...
Wagner by 16 was playing with his dolls...
Quote from: Saul on September 05, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
Well Mendelssohn composed great works from age 16 (octet)
Right your opposite...
Wagner by 16 was playing with his dolls...
Early bloomer doesn't make him greater dude. :)
Quote from: DavidW on September 06, 2009, 07:27:39 AM
Early bloomer doesn't make him greater dude. :)
L ::) ::) K into his later works...
Quote from: Saul on September 06, 2009, 08:11:04 AM
L ::) ::) K into his later works...
I have, I'm not saying that Mendelssohn is not great, I'm saying that he's not great-er than Wagner.
Quote from: DavidW on September 06, 2009, 08:16:32 AM
I have, I'm not saying that Mendelssohn is not great, I'm saying that he's not great-er than Wagner.
Just one line from this enchanting music puts Wagner in the back seat of the composers' bus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2_ElZkGum4
Quote from: Saul on September 06, 2009, 08:24:32 AM
Just one line from this enchanting music puts Wagner in the back seat of the composers' bus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2_ElZkGum4
I'm sure there's room for Mendelssohn on the roof.
Quote from: Sforzando on September 06, 2009, 12:46:52 PM
I'm sure there's room for Mendelssohn on the roof.
I know anyone would want to save himself from Wagner's stink...
The best thing Mendelssohn ever did was introduce Bach to the world, and for that we thank him. 0:)
That wasnt his best move...
Who's Mendelssohn?
Yes, Karl.
hmmm. Pretty sure Brahms and Tchaikovsky should be much higher on the list (although they are pretty high as it is). :)
Quote from: mn dave on November 09, 2008, 07:22:04 AM
From the folks who brought you the 100 Greatest Symphonies!
1. Ludwig Van Beethoven - 1770-1827
2. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 1756-1791
3. Johann Sebastian Bach - 1685-1750
4. Richard Wagner - 1813-1883
5. Joseph Haydn - 1732-1809
6. Johannes Brahms - 1833-1897
7. Franz Schubert - 1797-1828
8. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky - 1840-1893
9. George Frideric Handel - 1685-1759
10. Igor Stravinsky - 1882-1971
11. Robert Schumann - 1810-1856
12. Frederic Chopin - 1810-1849
13. Felix Mendelssohn - 1809-1847
14. Claude Debussy - 1862-1918
15. Franz Liszt - 1811-1886
16. Antonin Dvorak - 1841-1904
17. Giuseppe Verdi - 1813-1901
18. Gustav Mahler - 1860-1911
19. Hector Berlioz - 1803-1869
20. Antonio Vivaldi - 1678-1741
21. Richard Strauss - 1864-1949
22. Serge Prokofiev - 1891-1953
23. Dmitri Shostakovich - 1906-1975
24. Béla Bartók - 1881-1945
25. Anton Bruckner - 1824-1896
26. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - 1525-1594
27. Claudio Monteverdi - 1567-1643
28. Jean Sibelius - 1865-1957
29. Maurice Ravel - 1875-1937
30. Ralph Vaughan Williams - 1872-1958
31. Modest Mussorgsky - 1839-1881
32. Giacomo Puccini - 1858-1924
33. Henry Purcell - 1659-1695
34. Gioacchino Rossini - 1792-1868
35. Edward Elgar - 1857-1934
36. Sergei Rachmaninoff - 1873-1943
37. Camille Saint-Saëns - 1835-1921
38. Josquin Des Prez - c.1440-1521
39. Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - 1844-1908
40. Carl Maria von Weber - 1786-1826
41. Jean-Philippe Rameau - 1683-1764
42. Jean-Baptiste Lully - 1632-1687
43. Gabriel Fauré - 1845-1924
44. Edvard Grieg - 1843-1907
45. Christoph Willibald Gluck - 1714-1787
46. Arnold Schoenberg - 1874-1951
47. Charles Ives - 1874-1954
48. Paul Hindemith - 1895-1963
49. Olivier Messiaen - 1908-1992
50. Aaron Copland - 1900-1990
51. Francois Couperin - 1668-1733
52. William Byrd - 1539-1623
53. Erik Satie - 1866-1925
54. Benjamin Britten - 1913-1976
55. Bedrick Smetana - 1824-1884
56. César Franck - 1822-1890
57. Alexander Nikolayevich Scriabin - 1872-1915
58. Georges Bizet - 1838-1875
59. Domenico Scarlatti - 1685-1757
60. Georg Philipp Telemann - 1681-1767
61. Anton Webern - 1883-1945
62. Roland de Lassus - 1532-1594
63. George Gershwin - 1898-1937
64. Gaetano Donizetti - 1797-1848
65. Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach - 1714-1788
66. Archangelo Corelli - 1653-1713
67. Thomas Tallis - 1505-1585
68. Jules Massenet - 1842-1912
69. Johann Strauss II - 1825-1899
70. Leos Janácek - 1854-1928
71. Guillaume de Machaut - 1300-1377
72. Alban Berg - 1885-1935
73. Alexander Borodin - 1833-1887
74. Vincenzo Bellini - 1801-1835
75. Charles Gounod - 1818-1893
76. Francis Poulenc - 1899-1963
77. Giovanni Gabrieli - 1554-1612
78. Pérotin - 1160-1225
79. Heinrich Schütz - 1585-1672
80. John Cage - 1912-1992
81. Giovanni Battista Pergolesi - 1710-1736
82. John Dowland - 1563-1626
83. Gustav Holst - 1874-1934
84. Dietrich Buxtehude - 1637-1707
85. Ottorino Respighi - 1879-1936
86. Guillaume Dufay - 1400-1474
87. Hugo Wolf - 1860-1903
88. Carl Nielsen - 1865-1931
89. William Walton - 1902-1983
90. Darius Milhaud - 1892-1974
91. Orlando Gibbons - 1583-1625
92. Giacomo Meyerbeer - 1791-1864
93. Samuel Barber - 1910-1981
94. Tomás Luis de Victoria - 1549-1611
95. Léonin - 1135-1201
96. Manuel de Falla - 1876-1946
97. Hildegard von Bingen - 1098-1179
98. Mikhail Glinka - 1804-1857
99. Alexander Glazunov - 1865-1936
100. Don Carlo Gesualdo - 1566-1613 (http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best-classic-comp.html)
**runs away**
You forgot Allan Pettersson, he should be placed in the top 50.
Scriabin must be higher than Schoenberg.
Honestly I think that Chopin should be among top 3!
J.S Bach
Beethoven
Mozart
Wagner
Sibelius
Haydn
Webern
Chopin
oh---this is impossible!
Quote from: abidoful on August 03, 2010, 05:05:31 AM
J.S Bach
Beethoven
Mozart
Wagner
Sibelius
Haydn
Webern
Chopin
oh---this is impossible!
Oh, but certainly those eight must be among the 100 greatest.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 03, 2010, 05:09:17 AM
Oh, but certainly those eight must be among the 100 greatest.
I guess---so many different ways to define GREAT! Funny about that; favorite v.s great. I really don't enjoy Webern and don't listen it much but he was great composer and a major influence on many post WW2 composers. So, of course he MUST be on the list!
very interesting list, among the changes I'd suggest are the following: Victoria, Mahler, Purcell, and Chopin belong into the top ten, and Handel and Schubert are among the top four :)
That's a good list, since it has the names of 100 composers I've heard of, a necessary but not blah blah usw. I wouldn't change very much or the changes wouldn't mean very much or something like that. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif)
Let's see if I can muster some outrage:
Carl Nielsen at #88? That's outrageous!!
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Lists like these are so trivial. In the long run, does it really matter who somebody thinks is the "greatest" composer? Music isn't a bloody competition people! It's about human expression. Everybody has something completely different to say. Whether we acknowledge their voice or not becomes a matter of personal taste.
I just have to laugh at this list because it's so stupid and juvenile.
Quote from: drogulus on August 20, 2010, 06:48:39 AM
Carl Nielsen at #88? That's outrageous!!
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Don't feel bad, most of my favorite composers didn't even make the list. :)
Quote from: drogulus on August 20, 2010, 06:48:39 AM
That's a good list, since it has the names of 100 composers I've heard of, a necessary but not blah blah usw. I wouldn't change very much or the changes wouldn't mean very much or something like that. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif)
Let's see if I can muster some outrage:
Carl Nielsen at #88? That's outrageous!!
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I totally agree! How he made it to the list is beyond me!! :-* :P :o
Quote from: ukrneal on August 20, 2010, 10:53:13 PM
I totally agree! How he made it to the list is beyond me!! :-* :P :o
Why such rancor in a music thread? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)
Quote from: drogulus on August 21, 2010, 06:10:43 AM
Why such rancor in a music thread? (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)
No rancor. I was trying to be cute/wise guy (hence all the smileys)...
For me the list would start:
Beethoven
Bruckner
Mahler
Wagner
Shostakovich
Mozart....
But "Best" is such a subjective term.
Quote from: King Karajan on September 02, 2010, 06:21:35 AM
But "Best" is such a subjective term.
Not entirely. And to shrug one's shoulders and just say, "Oh, it's all subjective" is . . . lazy, yes?
yes
Oh..... grrrr..... silly list >:(
I wish I liked Mozart, Schubert etc enough to have an opinion on whether they are more deserving of their places than my favourite 20th century composers. But I don't. Great story, right?... 8)
OK, but I will ask why Satie is so high up. I enjoy some of his piano music, but is there anything truly groundbreaking about it? What did he do to deserve such a high rank?
One of my main problems is having Mozart over Bach. I even have issues with him over Haydn. Hate me.
Here's a better example, in my humblest opinion:
1) Beethoven and Wagner (tie)
2) Bach
3) Haydn
I'm unhappy overall with the rest of that list as well.
I'd like to see a list of the 100 Greatest Composers according to Rob Newman (not!) It would I'm sure include a list of about 50 or so obscure Italian classical era composers Mozart supposedly stole all his music from. :D
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 15, 2010, 07:55:12 AM
I'd like to see a list of the 100 Greatest Composers according to Rob Newman (not!) It would I'm sure include a list of about 50 or so obscure Italian classical era composers Mozart supposedly stole all his music from. :D
You know, it
would be hilarious.
Quote from: AndyD. on October 15, 2010, 07:51:46 AM
1) Beethoven and Wagner (tie)
2) Bach
3) Haydn
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Haydn
....Wagner
Fixed. ;)
Quote from: MN Dave on October 15, 2010, 08:12:00 AM
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Haydn
....Wagner
Fixed. ;)
;)
You know, I honestly don't have a problem with anyone picking Bach as Greatest Composer. I've been hearing more and more from his music just how Mt. Everest he really is.
But Beethoven and Wagner...it's like, once they click inside, your heart can't stop favoring them above the rest.
Quote from: AndyD. on October 15, 2010, 08:15:01 AM
;)
You know, I honestly don't have a problem with anyone picking Bach as Greatest Composer. I've been hearing more and more from his music just how Mt. Everest he really is.
But Beethoven and Wagner...it's like, once they click inside, your heart can't stop favoring them above the rest.
Goes for any composer, I guess.
Quote from: MN Dave on October 15, 2010, 08:16:58 AM
Goes for any composer, I guess.
BTW, that is a cool avatar. How did you get a photo of Wagner wearing a Hitler moustache and uni-bomber sunglasses? ??? :D
Quote from: MN Dave on October 15, 2010, 08:16:58 AM
Goes for any composer, I guess.
You are absolutely right. At least, any favorite composer.
Modified:
But Beethoven and Wagner...it's like, now that they've clicked inside, my heart can't stop favoring them above the rest. The return I get from them seems endless and affirming.
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 15, 2010, 08:19:34 AM
BTW, that is a cool avatar. How did you get a photo of Wagner wearing a Hitler moustache and uni-bomber sunglasses? ??? :D
Another obvious unabomber look-a-like:
(http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/weird-al.jpg)
Quote from: Benji on October 15, 2010, 05:14:33 AM
OK, but I will ask why Satie is so high up. I enjoy some of his piano music, but is there anything truly groundbreaking about it? What did he do to deserve such a high rank?
Well, you made me go back and look at that silly list, Ben! ; )Satie in the "lower 50" I don't think is outrage-inducing. His chef-d'oeuvre really is Socrate, of course . . . and (I'm repeating myself, I'm sure — sorry!) on the Billy Wilder principle of You're as good as the best thing you've done, Socrate secures Satie's place in the top 100.
It isn't that Socrate is that much different to the piano music. Satie (we might almost say) remained truer even than Debussy to the aim of paring away the cultural detritus. But my enjoyment of the piano music isn't the 'negative', but joy in focusing on what remains. Just so, it is the purity and stillness of Socrate of which one sits back in awe.
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 15, 2010, 08:19:34 AM
BTW, that is a cool avatar. How did you get a photo of Wagner wearing a Hitler moustache and uni-bomber sunglasses? ??? :D
I hope that's a joke!
Ray mightn't recognize the source underneath the photoshopped makeover, Dave.
Even I had to do a double-take, once on a time.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 15, 2010, 08:29:09 AM
Ray mightn't recognize the source underneath the photoshopped makeover, Dave.
Even I had to do a double-take, once on a time.
I am surprised.
Quote from: MN Dave on October 15, 2010, 08:31:22 AM
I am surprised.
Well, the shades anonymize his visage to a much greater degree than comparable avatars of Mozart or Bach. I think it takes a US-lit geek like you or me to know that author of "Tamerlane" lurks behing that urbane front.
I think Ray was joking. It's a really cool avatar. It's funny, I just saw the Dario Argento version of "Black Cat" last night, and I thought of Dave.
Well, I only thought that maybe Ray didn't realize it was E.A. Poe, and he was half-joking . . . .
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 15, 2010, 11:29:55 AM
Well, I only thought that maybe Ray didn't realize it was E.A. Poe, and he was half-joking . . . .
No, I actually didn't realize that it was EAP. :-X
I know the source photo reasonably well, Ray (I went to school with Poe . . . well, I did my Master's at UVa, where they keep a room in his honor) . . . and as I say, it was only after a double-take that I recognized him.
I really enjoyed the blog that Karl wrote on "100 Greatest", and it inspired me to add fuel to the Tiger Beaten fun here: No way does Mozart rate over Bach!
Thanks, Andy!
Quote from: AndyD. on October 16, 2010, 10:25:40 AM
No way does Mozart rate over Bach!
:o No one can rank over Wolfie, I say. I'd have to put Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms in a four way tie for first. Then we can start counting from 5 on. 0:)
Quote from: Scarpia on October 17, 2010, 12:07:55 PM
:o No one can rank over Wolfie, I say. I'd have to put Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms in a four way tie for first. Then we can start counting from 5 on. 0:)
I like your style.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 20, 2010, 08:42:48 PM
Music isn't a bloody competition people!
When looking at some of your other posts, I find this somewhat conflicting.