Vincent d'Indy (1851-1931) - beginning to collect some music by this French composer - don't believe that we have a current thread on him. I just finished the book Vincent d'Indy and His World by Andrew Thomson (1996; Clarendon Press - Oxford; 220 pages + catalog of his main works).
He was born into a military aristocratic family, but trained at the Paris Conservatoire, and came under the influence of Franck who seemed to be d'Indy's 'spiritual' father. Rather atypical for a French composer of his time, he visited Germany (met Liszt; heard Wagner), was interested in older forms of music, and was critical of the methods at the Conservatoire; along w/ several friends, he founded the Schola Cantorum in 1894, which was a rival to the Paris musical institution.
d'Indy was a controversial and multi-talented personality; a composer, writer, teacher, conductor, school master and influential in his life time. The book mentioned is somewhat 'dry' but includes sufficient information on his life and the main compositions he wrote; more interesting are the comments made on those around him and the musical 'atmosphere' of France in the latter 19th and early 20th centuries. His pupils were many, including Roussel, Albeniz, Turina, Satie, and Varese.
His compositions were varied but not abundant, likely because of his many other activities (he was also a husband and father, tragically losing his wife and a daughter too early in their lives); the catalog of his 'main' works includes primarily chamber music and orchestral works (with a handful of piano and stage compositions); a list of his compositions can be found HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Vincent_d'Indy), just over a 100 Opus numbers (and some other works).
I'll shortly post the couple of recordings I own currently, but will enjoy hearing from others w/ an interest in this Parisian composer and in musical recommendations - :D
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Well, I currently have two recordings of d'Indy's works:
Chamber Music w/ members from the Luxembourg PO on the Timpani label (1C1119) (works included shown below).
Orchestral Works w/ Rumon Gamba & Iceland PO (compositions also shown below) - :)
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And just a final 'introductory' post concerning the pronunciation of his name - my wife (who took a lot of French in HS & at Brown University; plus, spent a summer in France as a student) had to correct me! I'm pretty good w/ French wine regions, grapes, & labels, though - :D
Check HERE (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/d'indy,%20vincent): Vincent (van-sahn) d'Indy (dan-dee)
Well done for starting this thread :) I had half sort of starting one on d'Indy myself-he certainly deserves a thread of his own both as composer and as musical mentor to so many other fine French composers!
I have eight d'Indy CDs-
Timpani: -Symphony in A minor "Italienne' (a very early and pretty atypical work) plus the Concerto for piano, flute, cello and strings
(late and again atypical)
-"Poeme des rivages", Symphonic Variations "Istar", and Diptyque mediterraneen(luscious romantic works-highly recommended
disc)
EMI French Classics series: -Symphony No.2( a masterpiece) coupled with the more famous Symphonie sur an chant montagnard francais
for piano and orchestra
-"Poeme des rivages" and Diptyque mediterraneen
-Symphonic Variations "Istar", Wallenstein Triology, and Le Foret enchantee
Auvidis Valois: Symphony No.3 "De Bello Gallico"(sometimes called Sinfonia Brevis-except it isn't very short at 34 minutes long!!) coupled
with 'Saugefleurie' and 'Souvenirs' (the 3rd Symphony is not as good a work as the 2nd but is heartfelt and worth
hearing)
and an Erato cd which includes "Jour d'ete a la montagne" and a Marco Polo cd which includes 'Saugefleurie' and the Fantasy on French Popular Themes for Oboe and orchestra.
Chandos will probably include most or all of these orchestral pieces in its new survey but in the meantime the second Timpani disc and the two symphonies are recommended.
I have the old Pierre Monteux San Francisco SO recordings on RCA, part of the Pierre Monteux edition series. Disc consists of: Symphony on a French Mountain Air (his most well known work, but I have not seen it programmed in a while), Symphony # 2 Op.57 and Fervaal, op 40. Pleasant, tuneful music in the Franck mode.
Would be interested in thoughts on a more modern Mountain Air Symphony recording, the Monteux is in mono from the 40's I believe.
The two I have are Catherine Collard with the French Radio Philharmonic, Marek Janowski(Erato) and Aldo Ciccolini with the Orchestre de Paris, Serge Baudo(EMI).
The Collard is a good performance marred by a dull recording. Ciccolini-who made the work a speciality of his-is the better bet. However I don't think the EMI disc will be easy to find.
Colin - thanks for your several replies - the Chandos disc from the Icelanders is excellent & the review from MusicWeb outstanding - just wonder when the new releases will appear?
Donaldopato - the recording that I mentioned is an excellent selection of 'some' of d' Indy's orchestral works - can't give you a 'newer' recommendation (although others may?), but the Chandos recording discussed in my second post is outstanding - I'm assuming that this group will be releasing more of his orchestral output!
Dave - :D
As I have commented before, Chandos starts series like this and sometimes they peter out :(
There are plenty which haven't of course(thank you, Chandos!) but we got Richard Rodney Bennett, Orchestral Works, Volume 1 in 2006 and that has been that :( There have been two volumes of Malcolm Williamson Orchestral Works but nothing further recently.
The Williamson featured the Iceland Symphony Orchestra as well. Given Iceland's current financial difficulties the orchestra has maybe put their instruments up for sale ;D
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 09, 2008, 03:22:31 PM
The two I have are Catherine Collard with the French Radio Philharmonic, Marek Janowski(Erato) and Aldo Ciccolini with the Orchestre de Paris, Serge Baudo(EMI).
The Collard is a good performance marred by a dull recording. Ciccolini-who made the work a speciality of his-is the better bet. However I don't think the EMI disc will be easy to find.
The Ciccolini on EMI is available as one of ArchivMusic's ArchivCD reissues.
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 09, 2008, 04:05:35 PM
As I have commented before, Chandos starts series like this and sometimes they peter out :(
There are plenty which haven't of course(thank you, Chandos!) but we got Richard Rodney Bennett, Orchestral Works, Volume 1 in 2006 and that has been that :( There have been two volumes of Malcolm Williamson Orchestral Works but nothing further recently.
The Williamson featured the Iceland Symphony Orchestra as well. Given Iceland's current financial difficulties the orchestra has maybe put their instruments up for sale ;D
Author: Chandos
Date: 30/10/2008 14:21:22
Subject: Re: Vincent D'indy: query
Message: Symphony No. 2 has been recorded for release next year. Symphony No. 3 is planned to record very soon as is Symphony 1 and lots of other orchestral works. Another 3 volumes at least
I have a - small - number of d'Indy recordings, so I'll be following this thread with interest. The work that has managed to capture my interest the most so far is his delightful Symphonie cévenole.
Quote from: tjguitar on November 09, 2008, 11:04:37 PM
Author: Chandos
Date: 30/10/2008 14:21:22
Subject: Re: Vincent D'indy: query
Message: Symphony No. 2 has been recorded for release next year. Symphony No. 3 is planned to record very soon as is Symphony 1 and lots of other orchestral works. Another 3 volumes at least
The first disc in this series has really wetted my appetite for more. I wish they were all available NOW!
D'Indy was Magnard's teacher, too. It will be interesting for me to see how master and pupil (who became a master in his own right, of course) differ.
Quote from: tjguitar on November 09, 2008, 11:04:37 PM
Author: Chandos
Date: 30/10/2008 14:21:22
Subject: Re: Vincent D'indy: query
Message: Symphony No. 2 has been recorded for release next year. Symphony No. 3 is planned to record very soon as is Symphony 1 and lots of other orchestral works. Another 3 volumes at least
Well, well...so Chandos actually responded to an enquiry regarding future releases? More than they often do on the Chandos website forum!
Must try them on Vainberg, Williamson and Bennett then ;D
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 10, 2008, 04:40:28 AM
Well, well...so Chandos actually responded to an enquiry regarding future releases? More than they often do on the Chandos website forum!
Must try them on Vainberg, Williamson and Bennett then ;D
Don't push (y)our luck, Colin!
Quote from: Jezetha on November 10, 2008, 02:59:01 AM
D'Indy was Magnard's teacher, too. It will be interesting for me to see how master and pupil (who became a master in his own right, of course) differ.
D'Indy's 2nd Symphony is-in my opinion-one of the finest symphonies written by a French composer and certainly stands alongside Magnard's 3rd and 4th as the finest written in the 50 years between the Franck and the Roussel 3rd and 4th.
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 10, 2008, 05:01:03 AM
D'Indy's 2nd Symphony is-in my opinion-one of the finest symphonies written by a French composer and certainly stands alongside Magnard's 3rd and 4th as the finest written in the 50 years between the Franck and the Roussel 3rd and 4th.
Then I know enough.
Quote from: Jezetha on November 10, 2008, 02:59:01 AM
D'Indy was Magnard's teacher, too. It will be interesting for me to see how master and pupil (who became a master in his own right, of course) differ.
In the book pictured in the opening post,
Magnard appears early in its pages as d'Indy's pupil, and then reappears many times throughout remainder of the text, so the two of them remained quite close; the most amazing aspect about
d'Indy to me from this reading was his relationship to so many composers/students and the musical politics at the time; without these many other activities, he likely would have composed much more music! :D
Andnow there's news of a February release of this on Hyperion.
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Wallenstein, Op 12
Choral varié, Op 55
Saugefleurie, Op 21
Lied, Op 19
Vincent's on a roll these days.
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 10, 2008, 04:40:28 AM
Must try them on Vainberg, Williamson and Bennett then ;D
I wish some source of authority would finally decide whether it's Vainberg or Weinberg. Searching for his discs on the internet can be a pain when the name isn't definitive. Same with Myaskovsky/Miaskovsky.
Bulldog,
In German translation they spell it Weinberg and in English it is Veinberg.
Myaskovsky needs ya sound. I think in English it is Myaskovsky. Some people thnk it should be Miaskovsky.
In Russian instead of ya there is one letter. я
Quote from: tr. pianist on November 12, 2008, 09:57:55 AM
Bulldog,
In German translation they spell it Weinberg and in English it is Veinberg.
Myaskovsky needs ya sound. I think in English it is Myaskovsky. Some people thnk it should be Miaskovsky.
In Russian instead of ya there is one letter. я
Thanks for the explanation.
Actually, before WWII the man signed himself Wajnberg, so it would make sense to spell his name that way and only that way and no other way. In fact, I think I'll start a separate thread to maul anyone who thinks otherwise.
Quote from: Maciek on November 13, 2008, 01:12:32 AM
Actually, before WWII the man signed himself Wajnberg, so it would make sense to spell his name that way and only that way and no other way. In fact, I think I'll start a separate thread to maul anyone who thinks otherwise.
Help! M(aciek) forever.
According to Per Skans (who was perhaps channeling M's tone here):
QuoteWeinberg is correct, all other spellings are wrong! Weinberg grew up and spent his first twenty years in Poland, where the Latin alphabet is used, and he and his family spelt the name exactly this way. Its origin is German/Yiddish. Any other spelling in the Latin alphabet must thus be avoided!
(source (http://www1.freewebs.com/black_arrow/))
Ha! That will teach you not to trust Wikipedia, silly people!
(I have to say this goes against my knowledge of how names with the -ein ending were usually spelt in Poland at that time... Who shall I trust??)
OK, now I would like to officially apologize for disrupting the Vincent d'Indy discussion and promise to continue all ensuing Weinberg discussion in the Weinberg thread (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9883.0.html).
I buy two discs of every Weinberg/Vainberg disc buy so I am able to file it (under W and V) and find it. Smart move of the record companies, this.
Quote from: erato on November 13, 2008, 02:13:35 AM
I buy two discs of every Weinberg/Vainberg disc buy so I am able to file it (under W and V) and find it. Smart move of the record companies, this.
;D
You should buy four copies, so that you can also file him in your cyrillic and Hebrew sections (spellings given here (http://claudet.club.fr/Vainberg/index.html))
D'Indy had Polish pupils as well. Stanisław Kazuro, Marceli Popławski, Henryk Opieński (and probably others). Completely forgotten figures, though I think Acte Prealable has released some Opienski songs recently.
D'Indy also wrote a couple of operas, which I believe have yet to be recorded.
The plot of " L'Etranger" (The Stranger) sounds interesting.
Possibly sonductors such as Jean Yves Ossonce or Michel Plasson etc could record it.
It would be a good thing to have these works - complete- in good sound.
"Le chant de la cloche" ( The song of the bell) op. 18 - a "légende dramatique" ( more an extended cantata/oratorio)
"Fervaal" "action musicale" op. 40 ( propably the most Wagnerian of d'Indy's works)
"l'Etranger" op . 53 "action musicale en deux actes"
Then there is the "drame sacré" "La légende de saint Christophe" op. 67 , a major,very ambitious score. More a strange cross of oratorio,Mediaeval mystery-play and "drame antique". Gregorian chant,melodrama, monody and complex counterpoint combine in an artistic , at times sarcastic pamphlet..that even quotes modern times (ca 1910) - and leaves no theme untouched: artistic, musical, political,social, racial. Apparently the music of (young) Ravel is mocked.
d'Indy, who was a notorious anti-semite, wants one of the characters,the "King of gold" to be dressed as a Jewish banker, in a three piece suit!
He uses lavishly Wagnerian "Leitmotive", César Franck and even Weber, Beethoven and Bach are "quoted". A large orchestra ( with 6 saxophones "to help the chorus") , a multitude of themes and "Gregorian cantilenas" are necessary to shape this " Quest for God". ( I use Leon Vallas ' ca 1950 biography of d'Indy).
Well, even if d'Indy is a grumpy Nationalist,a patriot with unhealthy ideas and megalomaniac tendencies...I'd love to hear "Saint Christophe".!
As for the story:( from Wiki)
According to the account in the Golden Legend by Jacobus de Voragine,[6] Christopher was a Canaanite 12 cubits (18 ft) tall and with a fearsome face. While serving the king of Canaan, he took it into his head to go and serve the greatest king there was. He went to the king who was reputed to be the greatest, but one day he saw the king cross himself at the mention of the devil. On thus learning that the king feared the devil, he departed to look for the devil. He came across a band of marauders, one of whom declared himself to be the devil, so Christopher decided to serve him. But when he saw his new master avoid a wayside cross and found out that the devil feared Christ, he left him and enquired from people where to find Christ. He met a hermit who instructed him in the Christian faith. Christopher asked him how he could serve Christ. When the hermit suggested fasting and prayer, Christopher replied that he was unable to perform that service. The hermit then suggested that because of his size and strength Christopher could serve Christ by assisting people to cross a dangerous river, where many were perishing in the attempt. The hermit promised that this service would be pleasing to Christ.
After Christopher had performed this service for some time, a little child asked him to take him across the river. During the crossing, the river became swollen and the child seemed as heavy as lead, so much that Christopher could scarcely carry him and found himself in great difficulty. When he finally reached the other side, he said to the child: "You have put me in the greatest danger. I do not think the whole world could have been as heavy on my shoulders as you were." The child replied: "You had on your shoulders not only the whole world but him who made it. I am Christ your king, whom you are serving by this work." The child then vanished.
Christopher later visited the city of Lycia and there comforted the Christians who were being martyred. Brought before the local king, he refused to sacrifice to the pagan gods. The king tried to win him by riches and by sending two beautiful women to tempt him. Christopher converted the women to Christianity, as he had already converted thousands in the city. The king ordered him to be killed. Various attempts failed, but finally Christopher was decapitated.
After the mystic -politico/religious extasy & excesses of "Saint Christophe" d'Indy wrote a light "comédie musicale", an operetta "Le rêve de Cinyras" op. 80!
Peter
ps The following note may be of use....
Vincent d'Indy and His World
Notes, June, 1998 by Brian J. Hart
Andrew Thomson has designed his book on Vincent d'Indy to correct serious misunderstandings of one of the central figures of French musical life in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Composer, pedagogue, and conductor of international stature, d'Indy occupied a place of influence during the period from 1890 to 1914 second only to Debussy, and his single-minded dedication to his art earned him the respect and admiration of fellow musicians, even when they disliked his Franckian aesthetics and extreme-right politics. Since d'Indy's death in 1931, many scholars in France and abroad have allowed their indignation over the man's unpalatable social views - most notoriously his virulent anti-Semitism - to prejudice their judgment of the musician, dismissing him as a zealot and pedant who contributed nothing of lasting importance to his culture. To acknowledge an artist's eminence, however, is not ipso facto to excuse or endorse unacceptable beliefs, and one can condemn d'Indy's authoritarian politics and social bigotry while still conceding the beneficent aspects of his work as teacher and creative figure. Such is the intent of Thomson's book.
P.
Quote from: Jezetha on November 10, 2008, 04:42:34 AM
Don't push (y)our luck, Colin!
I have just found responses on the Chandos website forum to enquiries about future plans to record music by Malcolm Williamson and Richard Rodney Bennett.
Williamson-two operas are planned and-one day-the organ concerto(already available on Lyrita)
Bennett-none! This is absolutely infuriating >:( Why on earth Chandos should issue a Bennett Volume 1 when they have no plans to issue more of his music is completely beyond me!
Very disappointing news from a label I do esteem.
Goes off to bed in the sulks :(
Quote from: Dundonnell on December 15, 2008, 06:48:43 PM
I have just found responses on the Chandos website forum to enquiries about future plans to record music by Malcolm Williamson and Richard Rodney Bennett.
Williamson-two operas are planned and-one day-the organ concerto(already available on Lyrita)
Bennett-none! This is absolutely infuriating >:( Why on earth Chandos should issue a Bennett Volume 1 when they have no plans to issue more of his music is completely beyond me!
Very disappointing news from a label I do esteem.
Goes off to bed in the sulks :(
Also the Janis Ivanovs cycle on Campion fizzled out. Very annoying as one of his best works Symphony No 11 is still not on CD.
Quote from: Dundonnell on December 15, 2008, 06:48:43 PM
Why on earth Chandos should issue a Bennett Volume 1 when they have no plans to issue more of his music is completely beyond me!
Perhaps they thought sales of vol 1 actually would make a vol 2 realistic?
Quote from: vandermolen on December 16, 2008, 01:17:02 AM
Also the Janis Ivanovs cycle on Campion fizzled out. Very annoying as one of his best works Symphony No 11 is still not on CD.
I suspect that was because of contractural problems between the company and Latvian Radio.
Regarding d'Indy, the forthcoming release of a cd of orchestral music by Hyperion looks as those it may overlap with the Chandos 'series'. That would be unfortunate.
Quote from: Dundonnell on December 16, 2008, 04:50:47 AM
I suspect that was because of contractural problems between the company and Latvian Radio.
Regarding d'Indy, the forthcoming release of a cd of orchestral music by Hyperion looks as those it may overlap with the Chandos 'series'. That would be unfortunate.
With 3 Alwyn cycles I don't see how this could be a problem for you.
Quote from: erato on December 16, 2008, 05:52:57 AM
With 3 Alwyn cycles I don't see how this could be a problem for you.
;D Fair point! I always excuse Naxos when they duplicate repertoire because they are offering a cheap alternative.
It just seemed a little odd that when one waits for modern recordings of out of the way repertoire suddenly along come three companies(if we include Timpani as well) issuing the music around the same time :)
A bit like waiting for buses ;D
I just got what promises to be something special: d'Indy's Complete SQs (+ Sextet!) by the Quatuor Joachim, on Calliope (OOP). I had been trying to borrow a fellow GMGer's copy, but, finally, it showed up on Ebay.
Of course d'Indy has a bad reputation, but, usually, that just means there's some great music underneath it all. The only other d'Indy I have is the old EMI disc (from their French series) which I've always liked.
I started out with (what I thought) was No.3, and, I was quite impressed with the autumnal feeling, and ready to pronounce a masterpiece, when I realized was listening to No.2. Anyhow, then, No.2 unfolded with the surest grasp, and beguiling melodies. This is truly an awesomely put together, and professional (and I mean that positively) piece of work. Let me clarify: it is certainly old fashioned, and normal sounding music, by all means, but d'Indy has an,...mmm,...'authority', which is quite impressive. Plus, the melodic curves have maybe even a little of the Miaskovskian melancoly to them that is immediately appealing.
So I went straight for No.3, which, this morning, I can't recollect beyond last night. It did continue d'Indy's,...how can I say?,...'deepness' (I'm telling you this guy has some profound moments,...just absolutely rigorously crafted music (like Miaskov,...but, obviously, French!). I remember it sounding more old fashioned (coming from 1929), but, I will have to come back to it.
The late Sextet also continues the jolly rigorousness of the rest (this guy is like the happiest Reger you can imagine!). I do recall a few moments of rapturous, windy hilled impressionism, coupled with d'Indy's ubiquitous classicism.
Currently, I'm listening to No.1, after it's 12min first mvmt. Written in 1890, it actually sounds a little ahead of No.3 in terms of style. It surely doesn't sound like it was the direct inspiration of Franck's SQ (which, it appears clear that it was), and, I'm thinking this is a piece that will take a few listens. Already here in the slow mvmt I'm being slathered in a beautifully transparent and languid boat ride.
I am mightily impressed by this music, and the packaging reflects the nobility of the venture. The cover picture, which is shown on Amazon, of a backstage, French theater staircase, invites the listener into a rarified world. There is a whiff of late Faure here (though, only in spirit). The Quatuor Joachim (which, I can't tell if its the same QJ (or, JQ) that plays on a Koch/Reger disc, play wonderful, syrupy instruments in fully idiomatic readings. The whole production reeks of fin de siecle.
I am going to recommend this music right behind Faure, and right ahead of Saint-Saens. These 3 SQs can go head to head with the bulk of Late Romanticism and come out smelling very original indeed. I think d'Indy's sheer upstanded-ness is like a solid rock. He certainly has reams of integrity. There is nothing here that is less than Super High Quality. The 'obvious' masterpiece finds itself here locked behind a garden of delightful flower bundles, so that one must actually listen carefully, though the music seems to be straighforward. I'm just going to say that this set is some kind of high water mark,... for what, I don't know, but,...I don't think ANYONE out there could say a word against this music. It is well nigh perfect, with enough meat to satisfy, enough sweet, and enough vitamins and minerals, enough elusiveness as to not be obvious, but squarely in the perfect melodic appeal of the best music.
The other set, on Marco Polo, with the Kodaly (1 & 2) and New Budapest (3 & Quintet & Trio) is available, and cheap. I would recommend the Kodaly disc, for what promises to be an awesome hour. The Kodaly's style seems to be compatible with the QJ, so, I don't know how they would differ (btw- the sound on this Calliope release is drool worthy). There is also a No.1 by the Chilingirian (Hyperion), and a No.2 on some French label (with Quintet & Sonata ?). Either way, these d'Indy SQs are DaBomb!! and should be investigated by every serious lover.
Snyprrr - assume that you're talking about the 2-CD set shown below (left)? I'd love to get my hands on it but seems OOP! :-\
For me, just added the 3rd volume of the orchestral works on Chandos; the second volume seemed not be as well reviewed as the first, so decided to skip it for now - Rumon Gamba seems to do quite well w/ this music! :)
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Quote from: SonicMan on May 07, 2010, 07:51:41 AM
Snyprrr - assume that you're talking about the 2-CD set shown below (left)? I'd love to get my hands on it but seems OOP! :-\
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Yes, I love that picture. It's a clear slimline, with that pic on the back inside also (and back outside!). The whole production is just really classy. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back on Ebay, though. I tell ya, though, if you haven't heard these pieces, the Marco Polo set has stood the test of time. I was almost ready when this set came up.
The only problem is that this makes the rest of d'Indy's chamber output lodge in my imagination. The
Sextet is only three mvmts, and much smaller (22mins) than the SQs. I wonder what form his other work takes. I hear good things about the
Clarinet (Piano Trio),...was it Op.29?
Trio No.2?
Piano Quartet?
Piano Quintet?
Violin Sonata?
Piano Sonata? He seems to have one piece in each of the major,...uh, is it 'genres'? Anyway, d'Indy is worth investigating further. This SQ set about makes me weep. Mighty works, all.
I have that Caaliope set with another cover, and have been proclaiming its greatness on several occasions on this board. Sorry to hear it's OOP.
Quote from: erato on May 08, 2010, 12:47:41 AM
I have that Caaliope set with another cover, and have been proclaiming its greatness on several occasions on this board. Sorry to hear it's OOP.
Yep - not available to me in the USA; now looking on JPC, the 2-CD set below is available for 22 Euros - assume same recordings w/ different cover; but statement is made about a 1-2 week wait (if available!) - plus, JPC has such a large initial shipping rate for me that I need to make a LARGE purchase or one w/ some real bargain boxes included - :-\
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0794881831623.jpg)
For those interested, a live performance of D'Indy's "L'Étranger'' can be heard here until next week:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01207wj (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01207wj)
I had the Auvidis Valois release of D'Indy's Third Symphony. I liked it then. The Chandos release put it up there with my favourite D'Indy works. I lke the humour in the piece. Not a quality you generally associate with D'Indy.
A very enjoyable release. Well worth buying......if you like D'Indy's music.
NB: Off topic. I notice Timpani are releasing a cd of the Maurice Emmanuel symphonies which were once released in a Marco Polo recording. I was sorely tempted to add this to my collection of French symphonic rarities,but always resisted. The Timpani release might just tempt me this time around.
The Piano Quintet in g-minor Opus 81 from 1924 is a very interesting work.
Picked up the Marco Polo cd for a song. Some biographers relegate his chamber music well beneath the orchestral works, but that's not really fair when a piece like this exists.
His Petite Sonata Opus 9 is an engaging sonata for piano.
Quote from: Scion7 on August 13, 2014, 10:54:31 PM
The Piano Quintet in g-minor Opus 81 from 1924 is a very interesting work.
Picked up the Marco Polo cd for a song. Some biographers relegate his chamber music well beneath the orchestral works, but that's not really fair when a piece like this exists.
His Petite Sonata Opus 9 is an engaging sonata for piano.
You must find this here VVVVV Complete String Quartets on Calliope. The music, performance,- and the incredible recording which sounds as though you're hearing them in a stairwell whilst hidden and unnoticed. I'd put D'Indy up against quite any number of Composers- It is tough to kick against the pricks.
Quote from: snyprrr on May 07, 2010, 11:59:52 PM
Yes, I love that picture. It's a clear slimline, with that pic on the back inside also (and back outside!). The whole production is just really classy. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back on Ebay, though. I tell ya, though, if you haven't heard these pieces, the Marco Polo set has stood the test of time. I was almost ready when this set came up.
The only problem is that this makes the rest of d'Indy's chamber output lodge in my imagination. The Sextet is only three mvmts, and much smaller (22mins) than the SQs. I wonder what form his other work takes. I hear good things about the Clarinet (Piano Trio),...was it Op.29? Trio No.2? Piano Quartet? Piano Quintet? Violin Sonata? Piano Sonata? He seems to have one piece in each of the major,...uh, is it 'genres'? Anyway, d'Indy is worth investigating further. This SQ set about makes me weep. Mighty works, all.
Quote from: SonicMan46 on May 08, 2010, 06:18:12 AM
Yep - not available to me in the USA; now looking on JPC, the 2-CD set below is available for 22 Euros - assume same recordings w/ different cover; but statement is made about a 1-2 week wait (if available!) - plus, JPC has such a large initial shipping rate for me that I need to make a LARGE purchase or one w/ some real bargain boxes included - :-\
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I must admit though, I felt like I'd struck liquid gold with D'Indy's Chamber Music, but I still have my suspicions about his Orchestral Music. I mean, either way,- he may be a BadAss, but he still has the reputation as the Ultimate Academic (though I've not heard the piece that calls him out as a note spinning grumpy old man).
Any LOVE for d'Indy? ;D Thread that I started back in 2008 and last posted to in 2014 - by 2010 I had acquired the 4 CDs below in the top row, i.e. nice selection of chamber piecess and the first 3 volumes of his orchestral works w/ Rumon Gamba and the Iceland SO - since then Chandos has put out at least 3 more volumes w/ the same conductor/group (middle row); also Michael Schäfer has recorded 3 volumes of d'Indy's piano compositions (bottom row). The Gamba recordings were not well received by the Fanfare reviewers (particularly one), BUT much more positive comments from others (including our own Jens L.) - see attachment, if interested.
d'Indy has 105 Opus numbers in his oeuvre and about a dozen or so non-opus works - I was about to 'cull-out' my 4 CDs but listening the last few days and reading the more positive reviews changed my mind - I just ordered a used disc of his String Quartets 1 & 2 w/ the Kodaly Quartet (good review in Fanfare) - NOW do I need to continue w/ the Gamba offerings? There are no bargains around and none of interest at BRO.
SO, after nearly a decade of neglect, what are some thoughts on this French composer who had some impressive students (ranged from Albéric Magnard, Albert Roussel, Arthur Honegger and Darius Milhaud to Erik Satie and Cole Porter. Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_d%27Indy)). Dave :)
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Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 24, 2022, 07:24:06 AM
Any LOVE for d'Indy? ;D Thread that I started back in 2008 and last posted to in 2014 - by 2010 I had acquired the 4 CDs below in the top row, i.e. nice selection of chamber piecess and the first 3 volumes of his orchestral works w/ Rumon Gamba and the Iceland SO - since then Chandos has put out at least 3 more volumes w/ the same conductor/group (middle row); also Michael Schäfer has recorded 3 volumes of d'Indy's piano compositions (bottom row). The Gamba recordings were not well received by the Fanfare reviewers (particularly one), BUT much more positive comments from others (including our own Jens L.) - see attachment, if interested.
d'Indy has 105 Opus numbers in his oeuvre and about a dozen or so non-opus works - I was about to 'cull-out' my 4 CDs but listening the last few days and reading the more positive reviews changed my mind - I just ordered a used disc of his String Quartets 1 & 2 w/ the Kodaly Quartet (good review in Fanfare) - NOW do I need to continue w/ the Gamba offerings? There are no bargains around and none of interest at BRO.
SO, after nearly a decade of neglect, what are some thoughts on this French composer who had some impressive students (ranged from Albéric Magnard, Albert Roussel, Arthur Honegger and Darius Milhaud to Erik Satie and Cole Porter. Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_d%27Indy)). Dave :)
I am afraid I know much more music from his students than I do D'Indy himself. The lone orchestral work I currently have is
Symphony on a French Mountain Air with Charles Münch and Boston posted below. I am afraid the cover art takes the Mountain Air far too literal, regardless of how fresh and clean (and French) it may be! :laugh:
It looks like the main criticisms of Rumon Gamba is in the lack of heft from the Iceland SO and the washy sound from Chandos. I am sure otherwise, this is an excellent way to explore his music. :)
VS
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Quote from: VonStupp on April 24, 2022, 09:20:28 AM
I am afraid I know much more music from his students than I do D'Indy himself. The lone orchestral work I currently have is Symphony on a French Mountain Air with Charles Münch and Boston posted below. I am afraid the cover art takes the Mountain Air far too literal, regardless of how fresh and clean (and French) it may be! :laugh:
It looks like the main criticisms of Rumon Gamba is in the lack of heft from the Iceland SO and the washy sound from Chandos. I am sure otherwise, this is an excellent way to explore his music. :)
VS
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Hi
VS - Symphony on a French Mountain Air, Op. 25 is a popular d' Indy work and as inserted above was held back until Vol. 5 of Gamba's releases (receives a good review on AllMusic (https://www.allmusic.com/album/vincent-dindy-orchestral-works-vol-5-mw0002498253)). For those interested in the music shown in my previous post and are on a streaming music service, then take a look? I use Spotify and all of the Gamba Chandos' releases and the 3 piano recordings are there. Dave :)
Quote from: VonStupp on April 24, 2022, 09:20:28 AM
I am afraid I know much more music from his students than I do D'Indy himself. The lone orchestral work I currently have is Symphony on a French Mountain Air with Charles Münch and Boston posted below. I am afraid the cover art takes the Mountain Air far too literal, regardless of how fresh and clean (and French) it may be! :laugh:
It looks like the main criticisms of Rumon Gamba is in the lack of heft from the Iceland SO and the washy sound from Chandos. I am sure otherwise, this is an excellent way to explore his music. :)
VS
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I'm a big fan of this performance of Symphony on a French Mountain Air. Quatuor Joachim's recordings of the string quartets are also fabulous, and often in my heavy rotation.