Poll
Question:
Roughly, what percentage of your music listening is classical?
Option 1: 100%
votes: 26
Option 2: 95%
votes: 25
Option 3: 90%
votes: 19
Option 4: 85%
votes: 12
Option 5: 80%
votes: 8
Option 6: 75%
votes: 5
Option 7: 70%
votes: 5
Option 8: 65%
votes: 2
Option 9: 60%
votes: 4
Option 10: 55%
votes: 0
Option 11: 50%
votes: 6
Option 12: 45%
votes: 1
Option 13: 40%
votes: 1
Option 14: 35%
votes: 1
Option 15: 30%
votes: 1
Option 16: 25%
votes: 0
Option 17: 20%
votes: 0
Option 18: 15%
votes: 1
Option 19: 10%
votes: 2
Option 20: 5%
votes: 1
Option 21: Less than 5%
votes: 1
Intrigued by threads in other parts of this forum where Jazz, Blues, Rock and other musical genres have been discussed, I'm interested to know roughly how much of GMG members' listening time is given over to classical music. In my case, it's 95% (and higher), with only albums by Tori Amos, Kate Bush and a handful of other, mainly Pop/Rock artists, occasionally getting a look in.
How about you?
This is a toughie, but overall, I'd say 25%.
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
This is a toughie, but overall, I'd say 25%.
What other kinds of music occupy the remaining 75% of your listening time, may I ask?
The most accurate answer I can give is 50 %. The last two years I have listened to more classical and less other music but on the other hand between 2001 and 2005 I didn't listen to classical that much. Even now, perhaps 30 % is non-classical so it's between 30 % and 70 % I guess...
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:06:37 PM
What other kinds of music occupy the remaining 75% of your listening time, may I ask?
Hey, Mark. I'm actually ready for that question:
Hard Rock
Beatlesque Pop/Rock
New Wave
Synth Pop
Prewar Blues
Prewar Jazz
Hard Bop
Jazz Vocals/Standards
Traditional Country
I'd say about 80%. The rest would be rock, some world music (Brazilian mostly) and very little jazz.
90% is classical. For the rest, it's going to be jazz, broadway showtunes, and some world music.with the occasional foray into pop. I hate new age, anything that's "easy listening," and cannot fathom techno or trance.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 20, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
The most accurate answer I can give is 50 %. The last two years I have listened to more classical and less other music but on the other hand between 2001 and 2005 I didn't listen to classical that much. Even now, perhaps 30 % is non-classical so it's between 30 % and 70 % I guess...
Although I've been collecting and listening to classical music since I was 18 (so, about 16 years), it's only since 1998 that classical music has slowly begun to overtake my preference for other genres. Last year, I don't recall listening to anything else other than classical. Prior to 1998, classical made up less than 20% of my listening, with Rock, Pop and Electronic Dance music each getting more than 25%.
100% young master Mark! :)
DT, that's quite an eclectic selection of stuff you're into.
Bunny, I used to be really into techno and especially trance (underground, non-commercial stuff), but I can't stomach it now. Never got into the whole 'scene' that went with it, though.
Quote from: Harry on May 20, 2007, 02:17:28 PM
100% young master Mark! :)
Harry, at the rate you buy classical CDs, you don't have
time to listen to anything else! ;D
65%+ for me.
The balance is made up of;
Pre-rock crooners
Lounge
Psych
'70s library/soundtrack etc
'75-'79 AM Gold
Instrumental, conceptual Progressive
Electro-acoustic space music
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:19:25 PM
Harry, at the rate you buy classical CDs, you don't have time to listen to anything else! ;D
Honestly, besides classical music there is nothing.
Just a myth, they want you believe that, but don't, its all humbug.
Quote from: Harry on May 20, 2007, 02:21:50 PM
Honestly, besides classical music there is nothing.
Just a myth, they want you believe that, but don't, its all humbug.
Where Harry lives...
(http://www.allkidsmurals.com/images/enchantedforestmural.jpg)
;)
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:18:24 PM
DT, that's quite an eclectic selection of stuff you're into.
That's a pared-down list. :-\
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:18:24 PM
I used to be really into techno and especially trance (underground, non-commercial stuff), but I can't stomach it now.
Funny how tastes can change.
The British hard rock I loved from 11-18 years old I literally can't stand now.
BUT the late '70s pop that was on the radio, which I loathed at the time, I now love! :D
I guess its good for musical taste to evolve :)
100% for the last 5 years or so. I've pretty much lost interest in anything else, although I still love to hear old time bluegrass if someone puts some on. Won't go out of my way to buy any though...
8)
I once had every album by:
Peter Gabriel (inc. early Genesis)
Thin Lizzy
The Eagles
Sting
Gary Moore
... but got rid of almost all of it. Still have every album by Scottish rock band, Del Amitri, though - brilliant lyrics, and a seriously underrated outfit.
85%
There's plenty of fun stuff in my collection besides classical, despite Harry:
- Traditional music from China, Lebanon, Turkey, Hungary, and ;D Kentucky
- Klezmer (Finjan!)
- Latin jazz (Tito Puente!)
- Simon Shaheen's brilliant Arab jazz album
- Brazilian guitar
- Great singer/songwriters: Jim Croce, Paul Simon, Randy Newman, John Denver
- Old-style jazz
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
I'm pretty much with you on that one, except for some Bob Marley maybe.
Jazz :-X
My father exposed me to dangerous levels of Jazz when I was young. ;D Everything from Traditional to Contemporary. Some of it I got on with just fine. Most of it just switched me off.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PMis there any musical genre you've never been able to take to?
Yep,
Reggae
Rap
Blues
the whole teen girl singer thing
the whole boy band thing
Cookie monster metal stuff
I listened to quite a fair bit of Jazz, yesteryear. Never interested me one bit.
The so called 'best', Kind of Blue was 7 or 8 musicians jamming away, and lo and behold its a classic. IMHO it is nothing more than a laborious slugfest, and a cd for Jazz officionados to hold onto as their Grail.
Biggest waste of money ever spent, although I had it on sacd and did double up, when selling to some other gullable mug
Re; Jazz
I had a jazz phase back in the early '90s. Got some books from the library and a pile of lps/cds and the trad stuff just didn't interest me at all. Boring.
I loved jazz-fusion for a while though ie; Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Eleventh House etc. But I can't listen to that stuff anymore. I find it to busy and unstructured.
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 02:50:28 PMThe so called 'best', Kind of Blue was 7 or 8 musicians jamming away, and lo and behold its a classic. IMHO it is nothing more than a laborious slugfest, and a cd for Jazz officionados to hold onto as their Grail.
Yeah, I have that on LP. I never 'got' the fuss about that one. Its laid back and kinda 'cool' but I don't hear much else very special. ???
I like '20s and '30s Jazz. But then, I'm fascinated by that historical period.
25. The rest is heavy metal, thrash metal, death metal, power metal, symphonic black metal, alternative rock, big band, rapcore.
Quote from: Bonehelm on May 20, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
25. The rest is heavy metal, thrash metal, death metal, power metal, symphonic black metal, alternative rock, big band, rapcore.
No hair metal, then. ;D
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 20, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
Yeah, I have that on LP. I never 'got' the fuss about that one. Its laid back and kinda 'cool' but I don't hear much else very special. ???
You do realise we are going to feel the force of the Forum Jazzists when they start 'a readin' this thread ;D
I have a cd of Dixieland Jazz, which has to be heard to be believed, "oh when the saints go marchin in, oh when der saints go a marchin in" and jams of that ilk....funniest thing I have heard in years ;)
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
You do realise we are going to feel the force of the Forum Jazzists when they start 'a readin' this thread ;D
I see you! :P
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
You do realise we are going to feel the force of the Forum Jazzists when they start 'a readin' this thread ;D
I have a cd of Dixieland Jazz, which has to be heard to be believed, "oh when the saints go marchin in, oh when der saints go a marchin in" and jams of that ilk....funniest thing I have heard in years ;)
Oh yes, I hesitated as I typed that ;)
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 02:58:41 PM
I see you! :P
<<Ducks>>
Don't take it personal, it doesn't matter too much if one Grunt from the North West of England isn't in tune with Miles & Co. ;D
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 03:00:20 PM
<<Ducks>>
Don't take it personal, it doesn't matter too much if one Grunt from the North West of England isn't in tune with Miles & Co. ;D
I never do. Subjective and all that... :)
I find all the rock star posing hilarious to view these days. Freddie Mercury & co. etc...
They take themselves so seriously ;) ;D
Those concerts arn't about music appreciation its all about generating mass hysteria.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:53:13 PM
I like '20s and '30s Jazz. But then, I'm fascinated by that historical period.
Do you own the CDs "Gershwin Plays Gershwin" and "Zez Confrey Rolls", produced by Artis Wodehouse for (I think) Warner? They are mandatory: utterly brilliant playing by the giants of the 1920s, in modern DDD sound. :)
Music I can't tolerate: hip-hop, rap, metal of any kind, post-1980 rock, country (except bluegrass), and the music they play in Thai restaurants.
My father goes into raptures for anything featuring Pat Metheny. Didn't do it for me. I quite liked, 'As Wichita Falls, So Falls Wichita Falls', though.
I often regret not keeping alive my Rock/Metal listening. Not categorising, but I have collections of Snake, DC, Sabbath, Ozzy, GNR etc but after GNR, I kind of lost my way. And couldn't for the life of me tell you who carried Metal on after the above? I remember conversations ages ago on the forum and some guys listed many new names for me.
I ended up downloading some Slipknot & Mudvayne and boy how Metal had moved on....rightly so, things have got to change to remain fresh :)
Quote from: brianrein on May 20, 2007, 03:03:49 PM
Do you own the CDs "Gershwin Plays Gershwin" and "Zez Confrey Rolls", produced by Artis Wodehouse for (I think) Warner? They are mandatory: utterly brilliant playing by the giants of the 1920s, in modern DDD sound. :)
Don't own ANY Jazz CDs. Just know that what I've heard from those decades, I liked. :)
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 03:05:13 PM
My father goes into raptures for anything featuring Pat Metheny. Didn't do it for me. I quite liked, 'As Wichita Falls, So Falls Wichita Falls', though.
Yes I had a Pat phase during my jazz-fusion/ECM phase. Loved Wichita... and several others...then never played them again ???
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 03:07:39 PM
I often regret not keeping alive my Rock/Metal listening. Not categorising, but I have collections of Snake, DC, Sabbath, Ozzy, GNR etc but after GNR, I kind of lost my way. And couldn't for the life of me tell you who carried Metal on after the above? I remember conversations ages ago on the forum and some guys listed many new names for me.
I ended up downloading some Slipknot & Mudvayne and boy how Metal had moved on....rightly so, things have got to change to remain fresh :)
Give this a shot, Tony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iolZOyKHLSQ
Grand Magus! Yes that's right up my street. Audible lyrics, great music. Not knocking others I have heard but many lyrics are not easy on the ear with the controlled shouting.
Great slam on the guittars, excellent rhythm too ;D Superb solo near the end...Zak Wylde eat your heart out LOL
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 20, 2007, 03:07:59 PM
Yes I had a Pat phase during my jazz-fusion/ECM phase. Loved Wichita... and several others...then never played them again ???
Lyle Mayes was another favourite of his. Part of Pat's band, I believe.
99% classical
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 03:15:57 PM
Lyle Mayes was another favourite of his. Part of Pat's band, I believe.
Yeah his keyboardist. I had a couple of his solo albums too, but found them less memorable.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
Country Western.
I honestly would rather be tortured (with vultures swirling above) than listen to that shit.
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 03:15:04 PM
Grand Magus! Yes that's right up my street. Audible lyrics, great music. Not knocking others I have heard but many lyrics are not easy on the ear with the controlled shouting.
Great slam on the guittars, excellent rhythm too ;D Superb solo near the end...Zak Wylde eat your heart out LOL
Here's something a bit more prog. But a solid song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C3UtyK8IAQ
Quote from: D Minor on May 20, 2007, 03:19:05 PM
Country Western.
I honestly would rather be tortured (with vultures swirling above) than listen to that shit.
Even dear old Dolly? ;D
only 100% of the time.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Even dear old Dolly? ;D
(there are no exceptions :D)
Quote from: D Minor on May 20, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
(there are no exceptions :D)
Johnny Cash? ??? George Jones? Merle and Conway? ???
The Carter Family? ;D
Emmylou Harris?
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 03:19:45 PM
Here's something a bit more prog. But a solid song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C3UtyK8IAQ
Sadly, I realise I have been missing some really great stuff :'(
Garth Brooks???
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 20, 2007, 03:30:51 PM
Garth Brooks???
Okay, steady on! That's pushing it too far. :D
I have a few Shania cds and Dwight Yoakum & Travis Tritt, I enjoyed the Emmylou/Linda/Dolly Trio cds but wouldn't call myself a lover of C&W. At least not the old school stuff, a bit of Kenny Rogers when I am in the mood for lurve maybe ;D
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 03:30:22 PM
Sadly, I realise I have been missing some really great stuff :'(
One last to tease you. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca7S2qluEcM
Rule of thumb: two of these bands are Swedish
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 03:31:52 PM
Okay, steady on! That's pushing it too far. :D
I forgot the ;)
I bought a Johnny Cash cd for my wife a few years ago as she likes his music. It okay to my ears.
Actually I also got her a Garth Brooks best of cd used and its kinda dumb fun. The music's well produced etc and the lyrics convey a kinda limited, simplistic philosophy which can be quite charming :D
That's what I would have expected from Metal since I stopped around '86, a good progression.
What genre do bands like Slayer & Co. go under. My ignorance is bliss when talking about hard to decipher thrash/grungy metal? Those Youtube vids are superb....be asking for cd-r's next ;D
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 20, 2007, 03:36:24 PM
I forgot the ;)
I bought a Johnny Cash cd for my wife a few years ago as she likes his music. It okay to my ears.
Actually I also got her a Garth Brooks best of cd used and its kinda dumb fun. The music's well produced etc and the lyrics convey a kinda limited, simplistic philosophy which can be quite charming :D
Christ! Now we're intellectualising Garth Brooks. Abandon all hope, all ye that enter here ... ;D
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 03:40:11 PM
That's what I would have expected from Metal since I stopped around '86, a good progression.
What genre do bands like Slayer & Co. go under. My ignorance is bliss when talking about hard to decipher thrash/grungy metal? Those Youtube vids are superb....be asking for cd-r's next ;D
It's difficult these days to find metal bands with "clean" vocals; these are some exceptions. Slayer is considered thrash, I think.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 03:44:25 PM
Christ! Now we're intellectualising Garth Brooks. Abandon all hope, all ye that enter here ... ;D
Here ya go!
Blame it all on my roots
I showed up in boots
And ruined your black tie affair
The last one to know
The last one to show
I was the last one
You thought you'd see there
And I saw the surprise
And the fear in his eyes
When I took his glass of champagne
And I toasted you
Said, honey, we may be through
But you'll never hear me complain
'Cause I've got friends in low places
Where the whiskey drowns
And the beer chases my blues away
And I'll be okay
I'm not big on social graces
Think I'll slip on down to the oasis
Oh, I've got friends in low places
Well, I guess I was wrong
I just don't belong
But then, I've been there before
Everything's all right
I'll just say goodnight
And I'll show myself to the door
Hey, I didn't mean
To cause a big scene
Just give me an hour and then
Well, I'll be as high
As that ivory tower
That you're livin' in
'Cause I've got friends in low places
Where the whiskey drowns
And the beer chases my blues away
And I'll be okay
I'm not big on social graces
Think I'll slip on down to the oasis
Oh, I've got friends in low places
3rd Verse:
I guess I was wrong
I just don't belong
But then, I've been there before
And everything is alright
I'll just say goodnight
And I'll show myself to the door
I didn't mean to cause a big scene
Just wait 'til I finish this glass
Then sweet little lady
I'll head back to the bar
And you can kiss my ass
Quote from: James on May 20, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
yeah, thats the crux of it....its all about the look, image, personality and attitude of the performer(s) than all else, "look at us we're so hip" kind-of thing, with the vast majority of stuff there is just nothing going on at all musically, typically lots of noise & no content, overproduced turd, nothing beyond a high-school level, if that...
Bingo!
Its good for a laugh though ;) ;D
SW, I feel dirty now and will have to shower ...
*yawn*
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
You do realise we are going to feel the force of the Forum Jazzists when they start 'a readin' this thread ;D
It's okay...discrimination by the masses is nothing new...
8)
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 03:45:20 PM
Slayer is considered thrash, I think.
I think that back in the day :D Slayer was considered Speed Metal, not Thrash. I think one of the main distinctions between the two genres was how the drum beats went with the riffs. In Thrash, the drums tend to go against the riff (a la Anthrax), while in Speed the drums go with it (meaning the drum rhythm starts with the snare, and thus in most riffs the accentuation is in sync with the drum to make a more flowing sound)
Quote from: orbital on May 20, 2007, 04:10:27 PM
I think that back in the day :D Slayer was considered Speed Metal, not Thrash. I think one of the main distinctions between the two genres was how the drum beats went with the riffs. In Thrash, the drums tend to go against the riff (a la Anthrax), while in Speed the drums go with it (meaning the drum rhythm starts with the snare, and thus in most riffs the accentuation is in sync with the drum to make a more flowing sound)
Allmusic says they are both. ;D
100% Classical
Classical: 95%
Jazz: 5%
Probably around 90%. There is some other good music out there.
About 90% (if you include concert band music as well).
The other 10% is taken up by Bob Dylan, John, Paul, George, and Ringo.
Now, that my fruitless exploring of other music has largely been exhausted, I'd put the percentage right back at 100 percent. ;D
Nowadays, it something like 70 %. But in sunny, warm days I usually prefer to play some world music.
With me it depends on how you look at it. I'd say it's about 40% classical to 60% rock/jazz/other when doing other things, and just using music to fill the background noise. But when I'm actually listening properly (ie. doing nothing else), it's 70-80%.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
For me there aren't many genres music I cannot stomach. I'm into everything like black metal, C&W (like Johnny Cash, Townes van Zandt etc.), ska/reggae, electronic music (house, synth, drum and bass+), pop, normal rock, psych, garage rock, indie-rock, jazz, classical, 70's disco, folk music, soul, funk and I simply love world music (mainly brazilian, african and middle eastern).
There is just one type of music I cannot stand, and that is marching band music (like they play on Independence day and so on). That is gruesome. Also the least intelligent MTV stuff I can pass by. Avant-garde/atonal music does not give me anything either. And for some reason I find blues very repetitive and boring.
Until 2005 I did not listen to classical music, but now when I have started getting into it it's probably like 70 % of the time.
90 % for me.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
Modern dance music (techno, etc). Sorry dB. The relentless beat makes me ill, physically ill.
Other than that, no, there is no musical genre I haven't been able to enjoy. Love reggae (I'm a huge Burning Spear fan) and ska. I used to say I hated Hawiian music until an online friend introduced me to some very interesting stuff.
Sarge
99%
Quote from: hornteacher on May 20, 2007, 05:47:37 PM
About 90% (if you include concert band music as well).
The other 10% is taken up by Bob Dylan, John, Paul, George, and Ringo.
8)
85% for me.
My listening habits are roughly 50% classical, 50% all other types of music. In that 50% I own and listen to almost every genre from jazz to country to metal to Turkish pop, but the last five years or so I've concentrated on singer/songwriters (like Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Van Morrison, Bright Eyes, and Kate & Anna McGarrigle) and alternative country or Americana: what Graham Parsons called Cosmic American music.
Alt country can be roughly defined as country/folk/rock music that doesn't get played on country radio. The stuff you near nowadays on commercial country radio is essentially Nashville corporate crap and has little or nothing to do with actual country music (think Shania, Faith Hill, and all the Big Hat singers like Garth Brooks). The country/folk artists I love include Emmylou Harris, Nanci Griffith, Graham Parsons, Iris DeMent, John Prine, Alison Krauss and Union Station, Townes van Zandt, Freakwater, The Seldom Scene, Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, Linda Ronstadt (in her occasional country moods), Patty Loveless (when she returns to her roots like on Mountain Soul), Tom Russell and their musical ancestors pre-60s (the Carter Family, the Stanley Brothers, The Louvin Brothers).
I grew up in the 60s and rock/pop from that era is still important to me. I've got about 70 Grateful Dead/Jerry Garcia CDs.
Sarge
~
95% Classical
02% Traditional Country
01% Rock before 1970
01% Popular before 1970
01% Other
Varies with time and mood: sometimes mostly classical, sometimes mostly jazz, with a little rock and "other" thrown in from time to time.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:14:54 PM
Although I've been collecting and listening to classical music since I was 18 (so, about 16 years), it's only since 1998 that classical music has slowly begun to overtake my preference for other genres. Last year, I don't recall listening to anything else other than classical. Prior to 1998, classical made up less than 20% of my listening, with Rock, Pop and Electronic Dance music each getting more than 25%.
I started to listen to music in 1988 (Acid House and stuff like that). No classical music at all. I thought classical music can't mean anything to me because it's composed so long ago, in a totally different world. What an idiotic idea! ;D In the mid 90's I started to "test" classical music while studying. Then in December 1996 I heard Elgar's Enigma Variations on radio and that was the real trigger! The next year 1997 I spend listening to and studying classical music obsessively. In 2001 I "found" pop and soft rock music. In 2003 I found new age. The last one and a half years I have been back to classical but I still listen all kind of music and enjoy it.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:14:54 PMI used to be really into techno and especially trance (underground, non-commercial stuff), but I can't stomach it now. Never got into the whole 'scene' that went with it, though.
The best underground stuff is wonderful but 95 % of all elecktronic dance music is shit. I am constantly amazed how good, innovative and energetic the best tracks sound. I never was that much into trance. I am a breakbeat nut. ;D
At least 85%. Definitely more. I only take out my old Rock and Metal records when I'm feeling like nostalgia. But recently I was delighted to hear that Deicide's most recent album featured some virtuosic musicianship, and even purchased a few modern day "new" death metal band releases like Necrophagist (great fun!), Abhorrence, and Rebaelliun. The day after, I was happily redevoted to Haydn's op.76 and Mozart's String Duos and Trios once more.
After further contemplation, I bumped my percentage up to 35%. ;D
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 21, 2007, 06:31:34 AM
After further contemplation, I bumped my percentage up to 35%. ;D
Be very careful, Dave, or you'll end up half and half like me.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 21, 2007, 07:31:22 AM
Be very careful, Dave, or you'll end up half and half like me.
Sarge
It could happen.
50% or so, and growing steadily.... the rest is mostly acoustic/songwriting based music (Neil Young, Dylan, Lambchop, Nick Drake, Josh Rouse, Joni Mitchell, Johnny Cash, etc etc...)
75%-ish I guess - others being indie rock, old goth, slow/mid-tempo electronica (eg Aphex Twin), metal (all genres), non-commercial hiphop. Even flat out commercially-oriented pop rock can be quite fun - eg Superbus.
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
Whatever Enya is classed as... :'(
Quote from: Lethe on May 22, 2007, 07:37:08 AM
75%-ish I guess - others being indie rock, old goth, slow/mid-tempo electronica (eg Aphex Twin), metal (all genres), hiphop. Even flat out commercially-oriented pop rock can be quite fun - eg Superbus.
Whatever Enya is classed as... :'(
New Age.
Quote from: Lethe on May 22, 2007, 07:38:33 AM
That was fast : o
Just think how fast he can draw his gun. $:)
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 22, 2007, 07:37:41 AM
New Age.
Enya is commercial music and far from real new age. Sheila Chandra, Wayne Gratz, John Balint and Harold Budd are examples of real new age artists.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 07:52:44 AM
Enya is commercial music and far from real new age. Sheila Chandra, Wayne Gratz, John Balint and Harold Budd are examples of real new age artists.
Popular new age, is still new age.
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 22, 2007, 07:56:31 AM
Popular new age, is still new age.
Wrong. Real new age is done for musical ambitition, not for money. Enya sounds new age but the whole philosophy behind the music is lightyears from real new age. Enya is new age as much as movie soundtracks are classical music.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 08:09:50 AM
Wrong. Real new age is done for musical ambitition, not for money. Enya sounds new age but the whole philosophy behind the music is lightyears from real new age. Enya is new age as much as movie soundtracks are classical music.
Wrong yourself. If it sounds like new age, it's new age.
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 22, 2007, 08:12:50 AM
Wrong yourself. If it sounds like new age, it's new age.
Salieri sounds Mozart but isn't Mozart. ;)
Enya is commercial music, not new age. Deal with it.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 08:32:57 AM
Salieri sounds Mozart but isn't Mozart. ;)
Enya is commercial music, not new age. Deal with it.
So let me get this straight, new age music is simply handed out to the masses? How could it not be commercial?
Quote from: Steve on May 22, 2007, 08:46:45 AM
So let me get this straight, new age music is simply handed out to the masses? How could it not be commercial?
It's not commercial in the way that commercial compromises are not made, at least not much. Enya's music is TAYLORED to appeal to the masses and I hear it in the musical structures. Yanni is another commercial artist. Real new age is not like that!
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 09:02:35 AM
It's not commercial in the way that commercial compromises are not made, at least not much. Enya's music is TAYLORED to appeal to the masses and I hear it in the musical structures. Yanni is another commercial artist. Real new age is not like that!
I find the argument that real new age music is not composed for monetary reasons pure speculation. When a person writes a piece of music, how can we possibly know the motivations behind it?
Quote from: Don on May 22, 2007, 09:08:52 AM
I find the argument that real new age music is not composed for monetary reasons pure speculation. When a person writes a piece of music, how can we possibly know the motivations behind it?
Money and success are always some sort of motivation but you can tell what is the primary motivation. Even some popular music is made out of musical ambitition in which case the term popular music is miss-leading.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 09:16:31 AM
Money and success are always some sort of motivation but you can tell what is the primary motivation.
Sorry, I can't buy it.
Quote from: Don on May 22, 2007, 09:18:18 AM
Sorry, I can't buy it.
Once again someone has problems with my thought. I just have to smile. :)
Don't give in to the hate 71 dB!
Quote from: Mark on May 20, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
Moving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to? For me, this would be Reggae/Ska.
For me it is blues, hip-hop, and most of all latin-american genre (I mean, things like Gipsy Kings, Compay Secundo and so on :-X).
"Real new age artists" is a wonderful oxymoron 8)
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 08:32:57 AM
Enya is commercial music, not new age. Deal with it.
New Age Music is a cottage industry. Deal with it ;D
Quote from: karlhenning on May 22, 2007, 09:33:48 AM
New Age Music is a cottage industry. Deal with it ;D
How many Sheila Chandra CDs have you heard Karl? Zero? Well, shup up then!
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
How many Sheila Chandra CDs have you heard Karl? Zero? Well, shup up then!
Ha ha, very witty,
71 dB!
I am sure that Sheila Chandra is even greater than Dittersdorf.
Quote from: karlhenning on May 22, 2007, 10:41:12 AM
Ha ha, very witty, 71 dB!
I am sure that Sheila Chandra is even greater than Dittersdorf.
Why don't you compare them yourself? ;)
90% orchestral, but 60% classical probably, the other 30% being film music and some pops stuff. The other 10% would be jazz/jazz singers.
Five years ago, it was totally the opposite, 90% jazz/soul. But I explored so much in that area in neglect of others, I've put it away for now.
When I do put it on, though, boy, it's great after being away!
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic
You do realise we are going to feel the force of the Forum Jazzists when they start 'a readin' this thread Grin
I've been holding back, I have! ;D But this is by far a HUGE passion of mine. Though I also totally get others not digging it. But there are SO many different kinds of jazz.
And I never really connected with the jazz I was "supposed" to love in college. Miles Davis and John Coltrane, though complete harmonic geniuses, become trying to me after a while. And hard bop is just hard hard at first, Charlie Parker seems to be throwing a blizzard of notes at you with seemingly no relation. And Dixieland is cute, but doesn't work for me either. Yeah, just like classical, it can be equally as hard to find something that appeals.
My favorite stuff is definitely modern big band, Latin jazz and funk.
Big Band = I mean not Glenn Miller or the older stuff (though Stan Kenton is great, he was very forward looking) but the more recent jazz orchestra stuff with more complex, introspective arrangements. Favorite arrangers/composers: Maria Schnieder, Bob Brookmeyer, Toshiko Akiyoshi, Rob McConnell, John Fedchock, Bill Holman. A guilty pleasure being Maynard Ferguson arrangements. This kind of thing is really great live too. :o (I will admit I'm biased because in big bands these were my favorite kinds of charts to play, they are just too much fun.)
Like classical has chamber music orchestral and all sorts of styles, so does jazz. I would say the modern jazz orchestra stuff is equivalent to 20th c. on for classical. Some of the same kind of evolution. Earlier than 1960 or so for jazz is akin to the great Romantics of classical, more sentimental and extrovert. Pre 1940 or so, and especially early part of the century is more akin to say, the Classical period. (Remember Mozart and Bach liked to improv too! :D) Really the building blocks for jazz, a tremendously important period. And, jazz was born out of the African-American community after the Civil War, so going back to that era is more akin to the Medieval period.
For chamber music, just like those players have an incredible amount of communication, that's the highlight for me of combo jazz. I absolutely think with combo jazz you lose a whole dimension on record. Live: it can be a truly fascinating experience. The way great players play off each other is magic. Kenny Garrett, he's a current accessible funk/bop sax player that has an insanely talented group. I had a whole new level of appreciation after seeing them live, it was like they were musically "talking" to each other!
And if any of you love classical pianists, try something like Bill Evans (heavenly!) or Oscar Peterson, or in a more modern vein, Chick Corea.
QuoteMoving this thread on a bit, is there any musical genre you've never been able to take to?
Metal and really hard rock is a no go for me. Death/thrash metal, what is it? Ick. As far as rock Aerosmith and Pearl Jam are about the furthest I'll go. And rap, hiphop, dance/trance/house/techno whatever, nope.
I do find it fascinating that a good amount of classical fans love hard rock and heavy metal! I was looking up minimalists/postminmalists on MySpace, and got all these hits of people that had them in their list of favorite composers, and it was lo and behold many obvious metal fans (especially guitarists). What's going on there? :) Ozzy Osbourne to John Adams is an awfully big leap!
Quote from: rubioThere is just one type of music I cannot stand, and that is marching band music (like they play on Independence day and so on). That is gruesome.
You know marching bands don't play music like that these days? The performance at the link below was my introduction to Shostakovich, when I saw this program live - and it was devastating. Last 5 mins with Shosty's 5th blew me away. Same summer that Independence Day came out, college age kids.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5192456731110229868All over, marching bands (in America) do these types of shows every year, with classical pieces. If you're in school band over here, this is a first introduction for a lot of kids to classical music. It was for me, and I discovered many classical composers that way. Film music (which we also played in school) shouldn't be discounted either as a back door into classical, it is for many young people.
I respect, but dislike, reggae, hip hop, "pure" blues,jazz, "popular" hip hop and vocal,and country-n-western.
So I'm limited. At our house, it's Classical and Opera, and Rock,Metal, and Extreme Metal.
Quote from: Greta on May 22, 2007, 11:17:26 AM
Metal and really hard rock is a no go for me. Death/thrash metal, what is it? Ick. As far as rock Aerosmith and Pearl Jam are about the furthest I'll go. Ozzy Osbourne to John Adams is an awfully big leap!
You'd be surprised. There are more things in common between,say, Necrophagist and Arnold Schoenberg than you'd first guess.
I don't have a problem to jump from The Prodigy to Rodrigo's Piano Music.
People limit themselves in regards of musical genres. I rather limit myself in regards of quality. I listen to music that sounds good to me. Music from any* genre can sound bad or good to me. That's because my brain processes music on high level and mostly in relativistic way.
Normally people react to the sound of an instrument like this:
a) "I hate electric guitar! The sound is so distorted!"
b) "Electric guitar rules! I love it!"
I react like this:
c) "Hmm, the sound of the electric guitar is a little bit too bright compared to the other sounds but it's okay and the riff that is played is nice."
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*Certain genres such as operetta, r&b, blues, hip hop, death metal, etc. are less probable to contain music I like but you never know!
Quote from: 71 dB on May 23, 2007, 04:25:40 AM
Normally people react to the sound of an instrument like this:
a) "I hate electric guitar! The sound is so distorted!"
b) "Electric guitar rules! I love it!"
I think normal reaction is a good deal broader than these two caricatures.
95% nowadays, since i've yet to find any more good rock artists, even though i've heard a lot
Quote from: greg on May 23, 2007, 06:25:07 AM
Since i've yet to find any more good rock artists, even though i've heard a lot
Try British
Lowgold (http://www.welcometowinners.com/home.php) and Danish
Kashmir (http://www.kashmir.dk/). ;)
I would definitely say that I listen to classical more than any other genre, but there was a time before I got hooked on classical that all I listened to was jazz. I go through these musical phases. I listened to jazz for a straight 10 years before I even pursued classical. Before jazz, I was into rock music and it was all I listened to, but these days I try to make more time for a variety of music, but this doesn't happen as often as I would like to think it does because when my mind gets hooked on a composer's music, then it could be weeks, months, or even a year before I move on.
I play rock/pop on the daily commute back and forth to work, which means about an hour to an hour and a half in total per work day. I find it the best music to drive to. At home, I listen to only classical, usually about four hours a night or a little over; non work days I play classical when and as I can.
100%
When I was younger I listened to different kind of music; in fact, I have a lot of non-classical recordings -especially rock- that today I never listen to. Over the years classical music has had an infectious effect on me, displacing not just other kind of music, but also taking a lot of time from other activities, especially the reading. Being what I would call "frozen time", music is a quite demanding and perverse pleasure that every day seems to require some extra minutes...
Probably around 45 percent for me.
Pop is easily what I listen to the most of.
Quote from: Philoctetes on August 23, 2010, 08:25:26 PM
Probably around 45 percent for me.
Pop is easily what I listen to the most of.
Then why spend time on a classical forum when I'm sure there are "pop" forums on the Internet?
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:27:19 PM
Then why spend time on a classical forum when I'm sure there are "pop" forums on the Internet?
If you look at my posting history, I think it's quite clear that I really don't come here to talk about music.
Quote from: Philoctetes on August 23, 2010, 08:25:26 PM
Probably around 45 percent for me.
I'll raise you 55 percent. Given what I want from classical music each day, I don't have any time for other types. No interest either.
Quote from: Bulldog on August 23, 2010, 08:30:16 PM
I'll raise you 55 percent. Given what I want from classical music each day, I don't have any time for other types. No interest either.
I totally get that.
Quote from: Philoctetes on August 23, 2010, 08:29:20 PM
If you look at my posting history, I think it's quite clear that I really don't come here to talk about music.
Then why are you here? This is called GMG Classical Music Forum. If you don't come here to talk about music, then, again, why are you here?
I mean you saying you're not here to talk about music is like me going into an ice cream parlor and asking the guy behind the counter for some baked ziti.
Quote from: Philoctetes on August 23, 2010, 08:29:20 PM
If you look at my posting history, I think it's quite clear that I really don't come here to talk about music.
But you do so now and then, and 45 percent ain't so low. You're in the "classical loop" where anything is possible.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:35:29 PM
Then why are you here? This is called GMG Classical Music Forum. If you don't come here to talk about music, then, again, why are you?
Well for responses like this, for one.
But this forum has some pretty interesting posters, plus insanely funny arguments.
Quote from: Bulldog on August 23, 2010, 08:36:20 PM
But you do so now and then, and 45 percent ain't so low. You're in the "classical loop" where anything is possible.
That's also true, and I go through periods where my classical listening percentage is at 100 percent, but for me, I enjoy music that is just fun, I always feel that I have to listen more intently when it comes to classical music, and honestly, I really don't want to work all that hard for my entertainment, but it really does run through phases for me.
Quote from: Philoctetes on August 23, 2010, 08:38:08 PM
I really don't want to work all that hard for my entertainment.
Then you shouldn't be listening to classical music if you're not going to make the effort to understand it.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
Then you shouldn't be listening to classical music if you're not going to make the effort to understand it.
It's not a good idea to tell others what they should or shouldn't listen to.
Quote from: Bulldog on August 23, 2010, 08:49:23 PM
It's not a good idea to tell others what they should or shouldn't listen to.
Oh, I agree, but the point I was trying to make is how can somebody say they don't want to put any effort into listening to classical music when we all know that this music requires effort and in many cases repeated listening in order to understand it more fully? That's all I'm saying and this member's post just kind of threw me off is all.
Classical is 100% of my listening atm - I did break out some of my old pop/rock Disc a few months back but that has been the only time in the last 3 years when I havent been listening solely to CM.
I dont see myself returning to non-classical that often in future, if at all! :).
These days, about 70%. But you never know, it depends on the day.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
Then you shouldn't be listening to classical music if you're not going to make the effort to understand it.
What an astoudingly bigoted remark.
YOU shouldn't be listening to classical music AT ALL with your patronising attitude. I'd have snobs like you thrown out of my performances. We don't want your sort at all.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:27:19 PM
Then why spend time on a classical forum when I'm sure there are "pop" forums on the Internet?
My guess is that he's also a member of a pop forum where he makes 55% of his posts while he makes 45% of them over here. ;)
Whenever I've discovered a new genre of music it's never booted out my interest for what I already liked at that point. I've always added interests, but never replaced one for the other. Even so, discovering classical music has had such a big impact that about 80% of the music I listen to these days is classical. The remaining 20% is divided between both vocal and instrumental jazz, traditional pop singers (Sinatra, Peggy Lee, etc...), musicals, rock, pop, soul, country, blues and so on.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 22, 2007, 09:02:35 AM
It's not commercial in the way that commercial compromises are not made, at least not much. Enya's music is TAYLORED to appeal to the masses and I hear it in the musical structures. Yanni is another commercial artist. Real new age is not like that!
It's impossible to know that for sure though. I mean, the masses like Enya's music exactly like it is, maybe Enya herself also likes it exactly the way it is. If that's the case she doesn't make any compromises but creates the music she wants to create - irrelevant of whether it's any good in our opinion.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
Then you shouldn't be listening to classical music if you're not going to make the effort to understand it.
With the right classical music this is not even necessary. There are literally thousands of classical compositions enjoyable from the very first listen and still enjoyable five decades later. I have a list of 350 of some of the most accessible ones here: The Basic Power Orchestral Repertoire or Classical music for folks who don't like Classical music (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue35/classical_music.htm)
For me the
HARDER I try to
MAKE myself like something that sounds like
CRAP the worst it is until I absolutely despise it. If I love it on the first listen it will become a lifelong favorite. However for something that I just like or sounds interesting I will listen 4 or 5 more times and I will either like or hate it by the fifth listening. If I hate it on the first listening, I will still hate it on the 50th listening.
In my experience finding classical music one loves requires NO work, it is just being exposed to music that touches you and grabs you and makes you love it. There is classical music out there for every human being living on Planet Earth, they just have to stumble upon the right works for them. :)
70% Classical Orchestral Music, at a minimum a symphonic band with percussion but prefer a large orchestra with strings, winds, brass and percussion. I do not like string-only orchestras however. Also the music has to be mostly tonal however it can use minimal dissonance to increase excitement. Also I have to at least like and preferably love the melody, harmony, progression and movement of the piece.
The other 30% would include
Orchestral Movie Music: My favorites are Bernard Herrmann, Jerry Goldsmith, Miklós Rózsa, Elmer Bernstein, and John Williams.
Jazz Quartets or larger. I like at least Piano, Bass, Drums and one wind instrument as a minimum however prefer Big Bands.
Rock Music: I don't much care for electric guitar and prefer acoustic guitar, however electric bass is fine, I also like a good sounding synthesizer, also organ and wind instruments and of course lots of drums and other percussion instruments.
Country: I like the more traditional styles and of course has to include drums and/or percussion.
World Music, you guessed it drums and/or percussion are required.
With all the above music, the vocalists have to have pleasing voices and I have to like the song itself before it all clicks.
Genres are boring! Genres are about classification, bureaucracy, compartmentalization. Genres are about identity and cultural tastes.
I try not to limit myself to a strict cultural identifiable taste by rather surfing across genres and listening to high quality music wherever I find it. Eclectisism keeps me more on my toes ;)
A typical listening day would involve:
David Crosby
Bon Iver
Faust
Can
Stravinsky
Stockhausen
Bach
A.K.K.
Hemmelig Tempo
Tangerine Dream
Vangelis
Horace Andy
Burning Spear
Miles Davis
Jan Garbarek
Arne Nordheim
KISS
Soundgarden
Nirvana
Kate Bush
Joni Mitchell
George Crumb
Harry Partch
Mikachu
Depeche Mode
Kraftwerk
David Bowie
Johnny Cash
Jimi Hendrix
Karl Henning
Luke Ottevanger
Debussy
Jose Gonzales
Often the most interesting artists are those who express themselves across genres. Take Miles Davis and the way he was inspired by rock music, Stockhausen, Indian music, funk and jazz which he combined to create something completely novel at the time - of course quickly labeled "fusion". I love the way Stravinsky was inspired by both jazz and the early funk/soul of James Brown. Yet his "Ebony Concert" for jazz orchestra does not sound like traditional jazz at all....
Quote from: kishnevi on August 23, 2010, 08:01:14 PM
I play rock/pop on the daily commute back and forth to work, which means about an hour to an hour and a half in total per work day. I find it the best music to drive to.
Yes. Classical music largely does not suit driving. Patches of light classical, sure . . . but then one runs the risk of overload on that stretch of the literature. Pop music is more durable in that context, I think.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 23, 2010, 08:27:19 PM
Then why spend time on a classical forum when I'm sure there are "pop" forums on the Internet?
Because his participation in this forum is most importantly about fulfilling his need to be a pot-stirrer, I'm guessing.
Quote from: jhar26 on August 23, 2010, 10:28:19 PM
Whenever I've discovered a new genre of music it's never booted out my interest for what I already liked at that point. I've always added interests, but never replaced one for the other.
Good!
Quote from: Ugh on August 24, 2010, 12:58:29 AM
Genres are boring! Genres are about classification, bureaucracy, compartmentalization. Genres are about identity and cultural tastes.
I try not to limit myself to a strict cultural identifiable taste by rather surfing across genres and listening to high quality music wherever I find it. Eclectisism keeps me more on my toes ;)
A typical listening day would involve:
[...]
Karl Henning
Luke Ottevanger
[...]
Thank you!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 04:21:18 AM
Thank you!
Anytime, don't forget to transfer the money like we agreed on
200 clams. Shelling them is up to you ; )
Quote from: Teresa on August 23, 2010, 11:35:49 PM
For me the HARDER I try to MAKE myself like something that sounds like CRAP the worst it is until I absolutely despise it. If I love it on the first listen it will become a lifelong favorite. However for something that I just like or sounds interesting I will listen 4 or 5 more times and I will either like or hate it by the fifth listening. If I hate it on the first listening, I will still hate it on the 50th listening.
For me it's completely different. The vast majority of my favorite music is stuff that I either didn't know what to think during the first listening or didn't even like during the first listening.
I can only think of a couple of pieces that I loved during first listening and still love: the Penderecki Threnody and the Webern Passacaglia.
It's 99% so I rounded up to 100%.
I love early Bob Dylan but only listen to an album about twice a year.
Quote from: dtwilbanks on May 20, 2007, 02:10:08 PM
Hey, Mark. I'm actually ready for that question:
Hard Rock
Beatlesque Pop/Rock
New Wave
Synth Pop
Prewar Blues
Prewar Jazz
Hard Bop
Jazz Vocals/Standards
Traditional Country
;D
Wow, three years on, wot?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 09:24:27 AM
Wow, three years on, wot?
Yep. I should add "roots rock" I guess.
Or just say, "I listen to rock, pop and classical." :P ::)
What, no Jazz? ; )
Quote from: rubio on May 20, 2007, 10:22:34 PM
Nowadays, it something like 70 %. But in sunny, warm days I usually prefer to play some world music.
And right now it's probably 50-60% rock, metal, indie, black metal, reggae, electronica, folk, country, world music, punk, americana, soul and the rest 40-50% is classical. Probably because my wife is not so much into classical.
i've listened for many years almost exclusively rock and pop music (progressive, canterbuy, punk, psych, new wave, black/funk/soul, electronica, blues, southern, brazilian pop, grunge, metal, country), then i've listened almoste exclusively to jazz for many years from swing to free (my favorites: sun ra, wayne shorter, andrew hill, albert ayler, booker little, monk). Now the last years i'm going more and more into classical that i've previously snobbed for many reasons. The last year i think i've listened to 70% of classical music, the last months to 90%. In total, i think that classical music is about 10-15% of my listenings at this moment...
I'm guessing I listen to classical about 85% of the time.
Quote from: Greg on August 24, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
For me it's completely different. The vast majority of my favorite music is stuff that I either didn't know what to think during the first listening or didn't even like during the first listening.
I can only think of a couple of pieces that I loved during first listening and still love: the Penderecki Threnody and the Webern Passacaglia.
Interesting, I did mention that if I was indifferent I would give 4 or 5 more listens and then it could go to like or hate. But really all the works I love, I loved on the very first hearing. Nothing ever got better for me on multiple listenings, just more understandable, thus sometimes changing indifference into like.
Penderecki's
Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima is currently the composition I hate the most. It was a very, very unpleasant listening experience, which I should have guessed as having an atonic bomb dropped on one and living through it would be pure agony and this does come through in Penderecki's music. So I guess that would make it a success, it's just that I cannot endure it.
For me it's roughly 75% Classical
15% Rock
5% Jazz
and then everything else makes up the other 5%, i love Classical more than any other genre, and yet i feel my listening is too lopsided, i really need to balance it out more, playing only 50% Classical would really help.
Quote from: Teresa on August 24, 2010, 02:59:12 PMPenderecki's Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima is currently the composition I hate the most. It was a very, very unpleasant listening experience, which I should have guessed as having an atonic bomb dropped on one and living through it would be pure agony and this does come through in Penderecki's music. So I guess that would make it a success, it's just that I cannot endure it.
I'm going to print that out and frame it on my wall. Errr, that's not a
good thing.
Quote from: False_Dmitry on August 24, 2010, 04:05:34 PM
I'm going to print that out and frame it on my wall.
Errr, that's not a good thing.
Do you mind if I ask why it is not a good thing? I think I did an excellent job of describing why it is
SO unpleasant and hard to endure as a piece of music. This really is the ugliest thing I have ever heard in my entire long life. I kid you not, it is
UGLY in the extreme! And because of the subject matter I believe it is supposed to be ugly. So in that case it is a success.
Did you see the film about the survivors of
Hiroshima and how their bodies were deformed from the extensive radiation poisoning and the tremendous amount of daily pain they endure? The music does fit this suffering perfectly IMHO. Perhaps the experience of enduring Penderecki's Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima might be enough to keep any government from ever using an atomic bomb against another.
These days I guess its 40 % classical (mostly baroque and 20th Century), 25 % blues, 15 % jazz, 10 % rock (many periods), 5 % world (mostly Hindustani Classical and afrobeat) and 5% other stuff to diverse to classify.
I do LOVE the way the Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima was used in the Movie "The Shining". For what its worth, the name was added AFTER the work was composed.
EDIT: Ooops. It was Polymorphia for 48 Strings that was in the Shining. My bad.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 24, 2010, 04:18:56 AM
Because his participation in this forum is most importantly about fulfilling his need to be a pot-stirrer, I'm guessing.
Henning is pretty spot on. Although, I wouldn't classify it as a need. It's more from the stomach, like an urge.
Quote from: Greg on August 24, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
For me it's completely different. The vast majority of my favorite music is stuff that I either didn't know what to think during the first listening or didn't even like during the first listening.
I can only think of a couple of pieces that I loved during first listening and still love: the Penderecki Threnody and the Webern Passacaglia.
I'm with Greg here. I tend to have to listen to something multiple times before I really start to enjoy it.
Although, the music of Satie was an instant hit with me.
Quote from: Teresa on August 23, 2010, 11:35:49 PM
With the right classical music this is not even necessary. There are literally thousands of classical compositions enjoyable from the very first listen and still enjoyable five decades later. I have a list of 350 of some of the most accessible ones here: The Basic Power Orchestral Repertoire or Classical music for folks who don't like Classical music (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue35/classical_music.htm)
For me the HARDER I try to MAKE myself like something that sounds like CRAP the worst it is until I absolutely despise it. If I love it on the first listen it will become a lifelong favorite. However for something that I just like or sounds interesting I will listen 4 or 5 more times and I will either like or hate it by the fifth listening. If I hate it on the first listening, I will still hate it on the 50th listening.
In my experience finding classical music one loves requires NO work, it is just being exposed to music that touches you and grabs you and makes you love it. There is classical music out there for every human being living on Planet Earth, they just have to stumble upon the right works for them. :)
Obviously, you're closed off to a lot of classical, which is fine, but I'm thankful I have never operated the way you do. I think there's alot of great music that has to be examined multiple times. Did I like Bruckner on first hearing? Absolutely not. Did I like him on the fifth hearing? Nope. Did I like him on the tenth hearing after taking several months off from his music? Absolutely, because I learned a lot during those months away. If you don't understand the music, it isn't the composer's fault, but merely your inability to comprehend it.
We are all wired differently no doubt about it, but I think a more open-mind will enable you to understand a composer that you didn't connect with right away. Also, researching a composer and their music also helps in your understanding of the music.
My buddy, and fellow GMG member, Sid, has made me realize, in terms of classical music, that an open-mind is a mind that will continue to grow and experience new things, which will increase your knowledge in the process.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 24, 2010, 09:37:38 PM
Obviously, you're closed off to a lot of classical, which is fine, but I'm thankful I have never operated the way you do. I think there's alot of great music that has to be examined multiple times. Did I like Bruckner on first hearing? Absolutely not. Did I like him on the fifth hearing? Nope. Did I like him on the tenth hearing after taking several months off from his music? Absolutely, because I learned a lot during those months away. If you don't understand the music, it isn't the composer's fault, but merely your inability to comprehend it.
We are all wired differently no doubt about it, but I think a more open-mind will enable you to understand a composer that you didn't connect with right away. Also, researching a composer and their music also helps in your understanding of the music.
My buddy, and fellow GMG member, Sid, has made me realize, in terms of classical music, that an open-mind is a mind that will continue to grow and experience new things, which will increase your knowledge in the process.
I am open to
ALL NEW MUSIC, thanks to steaming audio on the internet. However if I don't like something after five listenings it will never happen, not in a few months, not in a few years, not in a few decades. I know as I have tried different performances of works I have hated and they were every bit as bad.
I love what I love and FIRMLY believe in listening to music one loves. There is no shortage as there are literally thousands of classical compositions I love, no need to suffer with works one hates. For one thing we only have a limited time on Earth to enjoy music.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN WASTING IT!Also everyone does not like the same things, torturing oneself trying to like what someone else does makes no sense to me at all!
Quote from: Teresa on August 24, 2010, 09:47:09 PM
I am open to ALL NEW MUSIC, thanks to steaming audio on the internet. However if I don't like something after five listenings it will never happen, not in a few months, not in a few years, not in a few decades. I know as I have tried different performances of works I have hated and they were every bit as bad.
I love what I love and FIRMLY believe in listening to music one loves. There is no shortage as there are literally thousands of classical compositions I love, no need to suffer with works one hates. For one thing we only have a limited time on Earth to enjoy music. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN WASTING IT!
Also everyone does not like the same things, torturing oneself trying to like what someone else does makes no sense to me at all!
Hate is such a strong word to use when describing something you don't enjoy. Everyone does not like the same things this is true, but I think when your mind is closed off to something that you supposedly "dislike," then you'll never find enjoyment in anything.
I take it you don't like Pettersson's music? :D
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 24, 2010, 10:00:23 PM
Hate is such a strong word to use when describing something you don't enjoy. Everyone does not like the same things this is true, but I think when your mind is closed off to something that you supposedly "dislike," then you'll never find enjoyment in anything.
I take it you don't like Pettersson's music? :D
If you looked at that list of 350 recommended classical compositions I posted earlier, I dearly
LOVE every single work, many for decades!! Indeed I purge my harddrive all the time, weeding out the less than wonderful works, currently I have
2,294 compositions by
258 composers. Before my last purging I had works by
319 composers. I dearly love all that are remaining and will of course add new discoveries weekly.
I have only owned one composition by Allan Pettersson, the Symphony No. 14 (http://www.amazon.com/Allan-Pettersson-Symphony-No-14/dp/B001N85QAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1282716798&sr=8-1) which I purchased on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Allan-Pettersson-Symphony-No-14/dp/B001N85QAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1282716798&sr=8-1) as the streaming audio sounded interesting and it was only 89 cents for the whole symphony. Ultimately I deleted it from my harddrive as I really didn't care for it. As I said life is too short to listen to music one does not love. If I could live to be 1,000 or 5,000 I might have kept it around for a few more listens. But with so much wonderful music to listen to, more indeed that years left on my life. I prefer to listen to music I love, including new discoveries. :)
Right now I am listening to an absolutely fantastic piece of music:
Kodály's Háry János Suite.In short with such a large humungous stable of classical works I love I do not believe I have closed my mind off to anything, especially since I give all compositions five listenings before rejecting them. I am way more than fair!
BTW it is the same with Rock and Jazz, I listen to the music I love. This makes the most logical sense to me and I find it much more enjoyable to listen music that I love.
What I usually do when there's music I don't like is put it away for a few months or half a year and then try again, at least when I think the music in question might be worth the effort. I don't play it five times in a row. If I don't like it at least at some level I don't insist but try again later. This is how I for example came to appreciate post-swing jazz. I had bought Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" because it's supposed to be one of the best jazz albums in history. However, my initial reaction when I first listened to it is, "wtf is this???" But I accepted that the problem was not Coltrane but jhar26. If so many people who's opinions I can respect love this music I knew there must be something there that just didn't resonate with me. So some months later I tried again........nothing. I kept on trying every four or five months until after about three years it all of a sudden clicked with me. The previous time I had listened to it it didn't do anything for me (except maybe annoy me), but now there was a breakthrough and I thought it was magnificent. It had been worth the effort because now I not only liked "A Love Supreme", but listening to Coltrane's other albums and the works of Davis, Monk, Mingus and the rest of them became much easier after that. So by investing some time (but never so much time that it became a pain in the you know what) in learning to appreciate "A Love Supreme" I had in fact opened the doors to lots of other music that I now enjoy and that I otherwise wouldn't have.
Everyone is as Mirror-Image says wired differently, so what works for one person might not work for someone else. In my experience it's not a good idea to listen to something you don't like five times in a row. If you already dislike it torturing yourself with it will only make you hate it even more. But putting that cd back on the shelves and trying again at some later point, and keep on repeating the process if necessary can get you some positive results. And in doing it that way you never waste, as Teresa says, too much of your time listening to stuff you don't like. But the limited amount of time YOU DO invest in it may be very rewarding in the end. You've gotta sow before you can reap. You can still have a bad harvest, but you'll never know if you don't try.
jhar26 I don't listen to something I don't like five times in a row, I wouldn't be able to. It is usually over a period of weeks or months, I then make the decision to keep it or sell/delete it.
And some works I have revisited over decades by borrowing a different performance from the library or a free download. Never has something I hated in 1970 magically turned into something I liked in 2010. It may happen some day but I am not holding my breath. :)
I seemed to be blessed with the ability to KNOW what works I love on the first listen, and what works I like within five listenings.
Quote from: Teresa on August 25, 2010, 01:24:36 AM
jhar26 I don't listen to something I don't like five times in a row, I wouldn't be able to. It is usually over a period of weeks or months, I then make the decision to keep it or sell/delete it.
And some works I have revisited over decades by borrowing a different performance from the library or a free download. Never has something I hated in 1970 magically turned into something I liked in 2010. It may happen some day but I am not holding my breath. :)
I seemed to be blessed with the ability to KNOW what works I love on the first listen, and what works I like within five listenings.
Well, as I said these things probably work differently for each person. I was only explaining how it works for me. Most of the time I also know immediately if I will like a piece of music or not. It's mostly when the music in question comes from a genre that I'm not familiar with at that point that my appreciation for it may grow over time.
Quote from: jhar26 on August 25, 2010, 01:04:24 AM
I had bought Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" because it's supposed to be one of the best jazz albums in history. However, my initial reaction when I first listened to it is, "wtf is this???" But I accepted that the problem was not Coltrane but jhar26. If so many people who's opinions I can respect love this music I knew there must be something there that just didn't resonate with me. So some months later I tried again........nothing. I kept on trying every four or five months until after about three years it all of a sudden clicked with me. The previous time I had listened to it it didn't do anything for me (except maybe annoy me), but now there was a breakthrough and I thought it was magnificent. It had been worth the effort because now I not only liked "A Love Supreme", but listening to Coltrane's other albums and the works of Davis, Monk, Mingus and the rest of them became much easier after that. So by investing some time (but never so much time that it became a pain in the you know what) in learning to appreciate "A Love Supreme" I had in fact opened the doors to lots of other music that I now enjoy and that I otherwise wouldn't have.
I had a similar wtf moment with Coltrane's OM, which is probably the wildest album from his late period. I couldn't stand it. Until one night, as I was struck with food poisoning, the music started playing in my head, and it made sense-- on such a completely differently level. I can't say I listen to OM as much as his classic period, but there are times I need that does of pure energy.
Quote from: Teresa on August 24, 2010, 10:27:18 PMI have only owned one composition by Allan Pettersson, the Symphony No. 14 (http://www.amazon.com/Allan-Pettersson-Symphony-No-14/dp/B001N85QAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1282716798&sr=8-1) which I purchased on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Allan-Pettersson-Symphony-No-14/dp/B001N85QAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1282716798&sr=8-1) as the streaming audio sounded interesting and it was only 89 cents for the whole symphony. Ultimately I deleted it from my harddrive as I really didn't care for it. As I said life is too short to listen to music one does not love. If I could live to be 1,000 or 5,000 I might have kept it around for a few more listens. But with so much wonderful music to listen to, more indeed that years left on my life. I prefer to listen to music I love, including new discoveries. :)
How can you make new discoveries when you're not willing to examine a whole composer's output? Pettersson's
Symphony No. 14 isn't a great place to start with this composer. A more approachable symphony would be his
Symphony No. 7 or
Symphony No. 8 in my opinion. Have you heard these symphonies?
Since you claim you're open to new music, you should try these two Pettersson symphonies out and be open-minded when you're listening. He's not like listening to Kodaly or Mussorgsky or any composer you like.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 26, 2010, 01:16:22 PM
How can you make new discoveries when you're not willing to examine a whole composer's output? Pettersson's Symphony No. 14 isn't a great place to start with this composer. A more approachable symphony would be his Symphony No. 7 or Symphony No. 8 in my opinion. Have you heard these symphonies?
Since you claim you're open to new music, you should try these two Pettersson symphonies out and be open-minded when you're listening. He's not like listening to Kodaly or Mussorgsky or any composer you like.
I listen to everything I can and LOVE to try new composers I never heard of. I have put these on my listening list either as checkouts from the library or at the very least streaming audio samples on the internet. I have listened to other Pettersson streaming audio samples and was not impressed but since the 14th is the only one I have heard completely, I will check out the 7th and 8th.
BTW no two composers sound the same. :)
Quote from: Teresa on August 26, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
I listen to everything I can and LOVE to try new composers I never heard of. I have put these on my listening list either as checkouts from the library or at the very least streaming audio samples on the internet. I have listened to other Pettersson streaming audio samples and was not impressed but since the 14th is the only one I have heard completely, I will check out the 7th and 8th.
BTW no two composers sound the same. :)
Yes, check out the 7th and 8th. I would also checkout the 6th, which, along with the 7th and 8th, is regarded as one of his masterpieces.
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 20, 2007, 02:19:55 PM
65%+ for me.
The balance is made up of;
Pre-rock crooners
Lounge
Psych
'70s library/soundtrack etc
'75-'79 AM Gold
Instrumental, conceptual Progressive
Electro-acoustic space music
Yikes, three years on...
These days about 90% classical
the remaining 10% consists of Sinatra, some 70s Pop/Rock and 'bits'. :D
Hey, Chris, welcome back! Nice to see your avatar around these parts. :D
--Bruce
Quote from: bhodges on August 26, 2010, 01:53:50 PM
Hey, Chris, welcome back! Nice to see your avatar around these parts. :D
--Bruce
Thanks for the welcome Bruce :)
The answer should have been 100% and if it were all up to me it would been be 100% Classical all the way. But when you are surrounded by so very few classical music fans and in a relationship with someone who is a non-classical music fan you can not help but be subjected to the type of music that others in your life listen to. My girlfriend likes U2, Queen, Sting & the Police and Bob Marley and I marvinbrown go along for the ride...... so my answer is 95%......
marvin
Quote from: marvinbrown on August 26, 2010, 03:29:02 PM
The answer should have been 100% and if it were all up to me it would been be 100% Classical all the way. But when you are surrounded by so very few classical music fans and in a relationship with someone who is a non-classical music fan you can not help but be subjected to the type of music that others in your life listen to. My girlfriend likes U2, Queen, Sting & the Police and Bob Marley and I marvinbrown go along for the ride...... so my answer is 95%......
marvin
Your girlfriend has very good taste. Be glad that her favorites are not Spears, Gaga, etc. That would be a ride you could well find unacceptable.
90%. I was going to estimate less because of the frequent visits of the 1 year old granddaughter. However, it occurs to me that a lot of the music on her videos is from classical sources and so are some of the lullaby stuff on CDs.
close to 100% ...
Quote from: Bulldog on August 26, 2010, 03:51:49 PM
Your girlfriend has very good taste. Be glad that her favorites are not Spears, Gaga, etc. That would be a ride you could well find unacceptable.
Not to pick, but both Spears and Gaga have some really enjoyable songs.
Quote from: Philoctetes on August 26, 2010, 06:59:45 PM
Not to pick, but both Spears and Gaga have some really enjoyable songs.
I'll take your word for it.
Quote from: Bulldog on August 26, 2010, 07:12:29 PM
I'll take your word for it.
As long as you're taking it and not shining me on.
I would say lately just within the past two weeks it has been 95%, but this week looks like another 100%. Classical music takes most of my listening time, while I sometimes take a break from it and listen to jazz or rock.
Quote from: Mirror Image on August 26, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
I would say lately just within the past two weeks it has been 95%, but this week looks like another 100%. Classical music takes most of my listening time, while I sometimes take a break from it and listen to jazz or rock.
i've read that you listen also to jazz, can i ask you what are your favorite musicians (and jazz composers also)?
Quote from: escher on August 27, 2010, 03:11:52 AM
i've read that you listen also to jazz, can i ask you what are your favorite musicians (and jazz composers also)?
My favorite jazz musicians? I listen to a lot of jazz mainly from the late 40s to early 60s. Basically, I like a lot of bebop and big band: Thelonious Monk, Bill Evans, Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Clark Terry, Oscar Peterson, Art Blakey, Sonny Clark, Duke Ellington, Stan Kenton, Woody Herman, Count Basie, Lee Morgan, Bobby Timmons, Coltrane, Bud Powell, Shelly Manne, Clifford Brown, Bobby Hutchinson, Sonny Rollins, Stan Getz, Dave Brubeck, Paul Desmond, etc., but I also like some modern jazz like Bill Frisell, Pat Metheny, Ben Monder, John Abercrombie, Jan Garbarek, Ralph Towner, Terje Rypdal, Maria Schneider, Eberhard Weber, Paul Motian, Kurt Rosenwinkel, John Zorn, among others.
Quote from: escher on August 27, 2010, 03:11:52 AM
i've read that you listen also to jazz, can i ask you what are your favorite musicians (and jazz composers also)?
Coltrane, Monk, Dolphy, Mingus, Zorn...
Quote from: escher on August 27, 2010, 03:11:52 AM
i've read that you listen also to jazz, can i ask you what are your favorite musicians (and jazz composers also)?
I'll toss out a few albums.
Miles Davis,For Jazz/classical crossover , ketches of Spain is a great place to start. For quintessential cool, Kind of Blue is an important one to check out. It's been hailed as one of the greatest jazz albums of all time-- I don't know about that, but it's in my top 10 or 20.
John Coltrane: The sound of the classic quartet from 60-64 is one of the great achievements of the last century. I'd consider starting with Africa-Brass, My Favorite Things, or Ole. The Live at the Village Vanguard (original, NOT the 66 version) has a song called Spiritual that hooked me on Coltrane.
Mingus: He did a great job of mixing composed and improvised sections My fave is the Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, but Mingus Ah Um and Picanthropus Erectus are great.
Duke Ellington: The man was busy recording for so long, it may be hard to start. I found his late "world influenced" music really enjoyable-- his Far East Suite and Afro Eurasian Eclipse. You can't do wrong by starting with a "best of" -- some really innovative writing and arranging. But it always swings.
There's a LOT more-- most of my suggestions came from the same ten year period.
Quote from: jowcol on September 02, 2010, 01:07:21 PM
I'll toss out a few albums.
Miles Davis,For Jazz/classical crossover , ketches of Spain is a great place to start. For quintessential cool, Kind of Blue is an important one to check out. It's been hailed as one of the greatest jazz albums of all time-- I don't know about that, but it's in my top 10 or 20.
John Coltrane: The sound of the classic quartet from 60-64 is one of the great achievements of the last century. I'd consider starting with Africa-Brass, My Favorite Things, or Ole. The Live at the Village Vanguard (original, NOT the 66 version) has a song called Spiritual that hooked me on Coltrane.
Mingus: He did a great job of mixing composed and improvised sections My fave is the Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, but Mingus Ah Um and Picanthropus Erectus are great.
Duke Ellington: The man was busy recording for so long, it may be hard to start. I found his late "world influenced" music really enjoyable-- his Far East Suite and Afro Eurasian Eclipse. You can't do wrong by starting with a "best of" -- some really innovative writing and arranging. But it always swings.
There's a LOT more-- most of my suggestions came from the same ten year period.
i wasn't looking for suggestions, it was just curiosity. As i have wrote yet, i've listened a lot of jazz but few classical music, at least in comparison, so i was curious to see the point of view of persons that listen mainly classical and their preferences when they listen to jazz. :)
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 02:50:28 PM
I listened to quite a fair bit of Jazz, yesteryear. Never interested me one bit.
The so called 'best', Kind of Blue was 7 or 8 musicians jamming away, and lo and behold its a classic. IMHO it is nothing more than a laborious slugfest, and a cd for Jazz officionados to hold onto as their Grail.
Well some people don't hold it to be their 'Grail'. The problem I suppose for popular music is that there can be quite alot of hype built up around some things while there are lesser known things out there that could actually be much more enjoyed by many than some of these hyped records. Popular music is a much bigger area and takes alot more exploration than some people may have the time for.
At least 99%. My interest in exploring new pop music petered out around 1990, toward the end of my 20s. It just didn't seem worth the effort for so little gain. There wasn't much new under the sun, and what was new then was not appealing to me (grunge, hip hop). Perhaps it wasn't created to appeal to me.
I do occaisonally listen to Jazz, but I still find even after much effort that Jazz does not move me the way other music does.
The last "pop" record I listened to was Captain Beefheart's Ice Cream for Crow because I became interested in his music after he died. A lot of fun, I thought.
Quote from: Daverz on December 27, 2010, 05:34:10 PM
At least 99%. My interest in exploring new pop music petered out around 1990, toward the end of my 20s. It just didn't seem worth the effort for so little gain.
My interest in new pop music petered out around 1985 when I was around 15. For a few years I virtually only listened to classical music. But from around 94 onwards I started to listen to pop music from the past, starting off with classic albums and later songwriters. In the last few months I've even tried to explore more modern popular music from the last 10 years or so, and there is actually some good music beyond some of the hyped stuff (which is normally very boring).
About the only time I don't listen to classic now is traveling in the car with the kids. Can't hear the music well enough to make it worthwhile.
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on May 20, 2007, 02:50:28 PM
I listened to quite a fair bit of Jazz, yesteryear. Never interested me one bit.
The so called 'best', Kind of Blue was 7 or 8 musicians jamming away, and lo and behold its a classic. IMHO it is nothing more than a laborious slugfest, and a cd for Jazz officionados to hold onto as their Grail.
Biggest waste of money ever spent, although I had it on sacd and did double up, when selling to some other gullable mug
This one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read. You think
Kind of Blue is a slugfest or jam session? The first problem is you're not going at jazz from the right perspective. You think jazz is about jamming, which is actually wrong, it's about soulful transcendence. It's about getting beyond yourself for a change and letting go. The second problem you exhibited in your comment is that
Kind of Blue is a jazz fan's "holy grail." This is the wrong attitude to have. While this recording is a milestone recording, it's not the only jazz recording to make waves. According to drummer Jimmy Cobb, he viewed it as just another Miles Davis recording. After these musicians cut this record, its all in the hands of the listeners after this, much like when a classical composer writes a piece of music for musicians to perform, it is very much out of the composer's hands after this and left up to different interpretations, not only from a conductor/orchestra/musicians, but the listener as well.
Anyway, you can debase jazz all you want to, because you certainly seem like you have no intentions of understanding the music. Ignorance is bliss for some listeners I suppose. :)
Gosh, MI, Tony wrote that three years ago ; )
Over the past year, 90%. The other 10% being children's songs that Kimi likes, such as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, Old MacDonald Had a Farm, etc.
1/3 classical
1/3 hard rock/metal
1/3 other shtuff
Shake gently, serve in a highball glass on the rocks.
45% "Classical"
45% Metal, Hard Rock, Rock, whadevah-ya-wanna-call-it
10% Otha stuff
I hit 95%, but only because I took "classical" to be in the broad sense, not just Haydn to Beethoven. How does one categorise AMM music, and the like? Not jazz, not classical, yet it involves performers from both traditions. Then there's Zappa, some is close to classical, some to jazz, some is clearly rock, and some is pretty difficult to categorise.
These days it's more like this:
95% classical
5% everything else
:D
Apparently when this poll was first posted, I voted "85%." In 2010, classical music was 96.2%!
About 70%... not sure what I wrote before, but probably 90% before.
100%. :)
I have never actually sat down and seriously listened to anything other than classical. :) There is only a limited amount of other music I would enjoy, including a small variety of jazz, a bit of Abba maybe, not too heavy rock maybe. But I never spend any spare time actually sitting down to listen to this other stuff, I only save that rather limited amount of time for classical! :)
Daniel
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 01, 2011, 08:25:47 AM
These days it's more like this:
95% classical
5% everything else
:D
Me too, though I mean to listen to other kinds of music, I just end up listening to classical more than anything else!
99% classical
1% unavoidable noise that creeps in off cars on streets blasting music, flipping TV channels and coming upon MTV for a split second, or the Caribbean restaurant/bar next door that has the most horrible live music on Friday and Saturday evenings (plays mainly classic rock from the 70s and 80s, and the singer cannot hold a note).
Varies a lot. There have been months almost without classical music and months dominated by classical music. I don't get as excited about classical music as I used to get back when I had just "found" it all (1996-2000). However, I still do get pretty excited.
Recently I got interested about Carly Simon. A year ago I "found" Rose Royce. In 2008 I "discovered" Tangerine Dream and King Crimson. All these artists are non-classical and different from each other.
I don't think it's healthy to limit yourself to classical or non-classical only. It seems almost any genre of music can offer something interesting if we keep an open mind.
During the last couple of years, intentional listening has been close to 100% classical. Before that I listened to a lot of Jazz and 70s Rock. I remember most of that stuff even though I haven't listened to it for some years, though.
99% :)
Apart from classical music, I sometimes listen to a bit of jazz (especially Oscar Peterson and Miles Davis), Georges Brassens and the Clash.
Ilaria
I am slightly worried about those in the 100% bracket.
I am probably about 85%, but often listen to jazz and bluegrass as it makes me smile and there ain't much classical that does this.
Thal
Quote from: thalbergmad on September 10, 2011, 04:11:13 PM
I am slightly worried about those in the 100% bracket.
I am probably about 85%, but often listen to jazz and bluegrass as it makes me smile and there ain't much classical that does this.
What classical music are you listening to that never makes you smile?
Quote from: Daverz on September 10, 2011, 04:22:48 PM
What classical music are you listening to that never makes you smile?
He must be a big Pettersson fan. ;)
It's dropped down to about 50% for me lately... the other 50% is pretty much mainly progressive metal.
Quote from: 71 dB on September 10, 2011, 12:59:21 PM
I don't think it's healthy to limit yourself to classical or non-classical only.
Now I know why I'm screwed-up. :D
Quote from: thalbergmad on September 10, 2011, 04:11:13 PM
I am slightly worried about those in the 100% bracket.
I am probably about 85%, but often listen to jazz and bluegrass as it makes me smile and there ain't much classical that does this.
Thal
I like so much other music besides classical that it would seriously be hard for me to listen to classical music 100%, but those that can my hats are off to them. I don't think there's anything wrong with somebody who does if that's what they wish to listen to. They could be listening to a lot worse! ;)
I like a healthy balance of classical, jazz, and rock. There's a lot of classical that makes me grin from ear to ear. Like, for example, each time I listen to Chavez's
Sinfonia India I just can't help but laugh and clap along. It just makes me feel good. Stravinsky's
Dumbarton Oaks makes me smile. Bartok's
Hungarian Sketches makes me happy. I mean there's a lot of really fun music out there. Not all classical music is supposed to be serious. I mean listen to Varese's
Ameriques for example. It's so damn crazy and rhythmically exciting that I can't help not to feel good.
I picked 80%, but it's really hard to be precise, because my listening patterns aren't static. But I don't think it ever gets down to zero - I'd probably have withdrawal symptoms if I tried that!
I'll explain why I said it's not a good thing to limit yourself to only one music genre.
We have many different genres of music because musical expression can take infinite forms. Even within one genre multiple vastly different forms of expression are encountered (Grieg and Schnittke sound very different, don't they?). Obviously it would be barbarian to think only one genre is right and all others are wrong. All genres are onto something and all genres can produce enjoyable music. It's only about finding out what you like.
For long I thought rock sucks. Well, most of it really does suck but then there is awesome King Crimson. I was 37 years old when I found KC because I had hated/ignored rock music based on the crappy stuff I heard everywhere. My mistake and educational one. Ignorance is not good. I have also learned that good music tends to hide in the shadows and needs to be found.
For me there is commercial and non-commercial music. The number of sold copies doesn't tell exactly how commercial a piece of music is. Beethoven is not more commercial than Hummel. It's about why the music was produced in the first place, to make money or to express inner feelings.
Most of commercial music is utter crap. Some of it is even good when commerciality hasn't killed creativity. Non-commercial music is bad only when produced by talentless individuals. It's about learning to like something. Nobody has time or energy to appreciate every form of art but there is no reason to limit yourself exploring bits and pieces.
Remember, it is not fair to expect listeners of popular music to get interested about classical music if listeners of classical music keep living in complete ignorance of other kind of music.
Quote from: thalbergmad on September 10, 2011, 04:11:13 PM
I am slightly worried about those in the 100% bracket.
I am probably about 85%, but often listen to jazz and bluegrass as it makes me smile and there ain't much classical that does this.
It's great fun to listen to skilled musicians performing great music.
For instance: I've been to a dozen organ concerts this summer, during which I found myself smiling (sometimes almost laughing) quite a lot. :)
Poll duty: 95%.
Sometimes I like to dive into various pop/other music, from punk to french chansons or whatever else. But in the end, I always long for .... classical.
Most of my listening is classical. But I like jazz, too (thanks to my parents), especially big bands like Count Basie and Duke Ellington, and singers like Sarah Vaughan, Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra. The Beatles, Nick Drake and Motown also get a hearing...
85%. The rest is IDM (Autechre, Plaid, Murcof etc.)
Quote from: Tapio Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on September 11, 2011, 03:05:26 AM
85%. The rest is IDM (Autechre, Plaid, Murcof etc.)
Cool. I am an
Autechre fan too. I bought
Incunabula in 1993 because the cover art looked so interesting and it was a Warp release (everybody knew Warp's LFO and Aphex Twin back then) and
Basscadet especially blew my mind.
Autechre has evolved over the years so much that
Incunabula sounds simple now but also exceedingly pleasant and cool. :)
Aphex Twin has both good and annoying tracks so I have collected his music limitedly.
B12 is a great Warp artist (
Electro-Soma has survived the test of time very well).
LFO's
Frequencies is a classic but after that Mark Bell was obviously more interested about producing music for Björk than creating innovative IDM.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 10, 2011, 08:46:04 PM
I like so much other music besides classical that it would seriously be hard for me to listen to classical music 100%, but those that can my hats are off to them. I don't think there's anything wrong with somebody who does if that's what they wish to listen to. They could be listening to a lot worse! ;)
I like a healthy balance of classical, jazz, and rock. There's a lot of classical that makes me grin from ear to ear. Like, for example, each time I listen to Chavez's Sinfonia India I just can't help but laugh and clap along. It just makes me feel good. Stravinsky's Dumbarton Oaks makes me smile. Bartok's Hungarian Sketches makes me happy. I mean there's a lot of really fun music out there. Not all classical music is supposed to be serious. I mean listen to Varese's Ameriques for example. It's so damn crazy and rhythmically exciting that I can't help not to feel good.
A lot of classical music makes me smile as well. For examples: Strauss' Till Eulenspigel, Also Sprach Zarathusta (dance scene), a variety of Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev, Liszt, Chopin etc, pretty much anything romantic etc! :)
I did put down 100% as my poll answer. On thinking about it, it may be more like 95% as I do occasionally (only rarely) listen to a piece of jazz, or overhear my sisters poor sense of taste in music such as Lady Gaga etc... But for me, nothing can compare to listening to classical music as it transports me away from any troubles and brings me to a land of happiness and emotion. :)
Daniel
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 11, 2011, 04:33:51 AM
But for me, nothing can compare to listening to classical music as it transports me away from any troubles and brings me to a land of happiness and emotion. :)
Daniel
For me Tangerine Dream does the best job at that. :)
As far as modern non-classical goes: I used to follow techno, specifically the more underground genres of pure techno, jungle and gabber, but it's so expensive and time consuming to keep up with the scene that I've long given up. Now I fill in the gaps in my knowledge of rock with bands who grab my ear, or who I always meant to check out but never did. Plus a few long term faves still get played....
As iIn every field, I have what some might regard as contradictory tastes. In rock, I like things like Emperor and Nine Inch Nail at one end, and Lush and Stereolab at the other. But, contra other rockist forum members, no prog. Just not interested.
BTW, Mirror Image, if you're reading this, I wonder if you are aware of dream pop AKA shoegazer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoegazing) music? This was England late 80s-early 90s, archetypal releases being My Bloody Valentine's Isn't Anything & Loveless albums, Slowdive's early EPs, Ride (EPs and first album), and Lush (Spooky album & Mad Love EP). Check them out if you haven't already.
Quote from: eyeresist on September 11, 2011, 05:13:03 AM
As far as modern non-classical goes: I used to follow techno, specifically the more underground genres of pure techno, jungle and gabber, but it's so expensive and time consuming to keep up with the scene that I've long given up. Now I fill in the gaps in my knowledge of rock with bands who grab my ear, or who I always meant to check out but never did. Plus a few long term faves still get played....
The golden years of "modern dance music" were 1988-1993 (from acid house to dark side/early jungle). After this period of extreme creativity and innovation not much of interest has happened. Pure underground techno has sounded the same the last 15 years. You are surely better of with exploring those rock bands...
95-99% area. It's not that I don't like other genres, there's just a lot of music I still have to discover in classical music.
Quote from: 71 dB on September 11, 2011, 06:41:08 AM
The golden years of "modern dance music" were 1988-1993 (from acid house to dark side/early jungle). After this period of extreme creativity and innovation not much of interest has happened. Pure underground techno has sounded the same the last 15 years.
This is how things seem to me overall, but being outside the scene, I may be missing things. For example, there is a little thing called
glitchcore...
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on September 10, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
99% :)
Maybe it's a little exaggerated, it's about 95-96%
Ilaria
Maybe 75%, the rest jazz, rock/metal, folk, whatever catches my interest. Listening to just one genre, style, artist, composer, whatever would seem odd and restrictive to me.
Quote from: 71 dB on September 11, 2011, 03:28:00 AMCool. I am an Autechre fan too. I bought Incunabula in 1993 because the cover art looked so interesting and it was a Warp release (everybody knew Warp's LFO and Aphex Twin back then) and Basscadet especially blew my mind. Autechre has evolved over the years so much that Incunabula sounds simple now but also exceedingly pleasant and cool. :)
Aphex Twin has both good and annoying tracks so I have collected his music limitedly. B12 is a great Warp artist (Electro-Soma has survived the test of time very well). LFO's Frequencies is a classic but after that Mark Bell was obviously more interested about producing music for Björk than creating innovative IDM.
You must be around 40 like me. After the acid house era, Baby Ford etc., WARP came and was almost my religion. Artificial Intelligence, Ae, LFO, RDJ of course, Sweet Excorcist, BOC, you name it. RDJ is pretty dead if you ask me, LFO was dead very soon, but Ae still lives and Plaid - well, we've got Scintilli now, I think it's a bit lazy and unfinished. But their OSTs are very vital albums (Tekkonkinkreet and Heavens Door) - great stuff, some very enjoyable music.
Talking of Björk: Good collabs with Plaid. Lilith back in the days, All is full of love (Plaid mix is much better than the original)... and: Cover me - really really good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hva4f5ReLGU
It goes in waves for me... when I'm in a classical "phase" that's what I listen to 95% of the time, but I switch back and forth as the mood strikes me...
Overall, I'd say 50% classical, with the other 50% spread all over the place.... Beatles, Stones, Byrds, The Band, John Hiatt, Johnny Cash, Nick Lowe, John Lee Hooker, Tom Petty, Louis Armstrong, Dylan, Buddy Guy, David Bowie, Peter Gabriel, Chuck Berry, Sinatra, Led Zeppelin, Kinks, Liz Phair, Neil Young, Pretenders, Ray Charles, The Police, Clapton, Tom Waits, Warren Zevon, White Stripes, Willie Nelson, Muddy Waters... I could go on for a while. I have a huge CD collection, and I'm one of those people who always has music playing. :)
Quote from: 71 dB on September 11, 2011, 01:26:16 AM
Remember, it is not fair to expect listeners of popular music to get interested about classical music if listeners of classical music keep living in complete ignorance of other kind of music.
I guess you haven't thought of the situation where classical music lovers choose it, not out of ignorance, but after deciding that classical is the most rewarding music among all categories.
Quote from: Bulldog on September 12, 2011, 02:04:02 PM
I guess you haven't thought of the situation where classical music lovers choose it, not out of ignorance, but after deciding that classical is the most rewarding music among all categories.
Best post ever on the GMG forum. Thank you, Don. That is exactly how I feel. I want to listen to classical music all the time, out of the simple enjoyment and because I actually want to.
Quote from: Tapio Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on September 12, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
You must be around 40 like me.
Yep, I'm 40.
Quote from: Tapio Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on September 12, 2011, 12:20:08 PMAfter the acid house era, Baby Ford etc., WARP came and was almost my religion. Artificial Intelligence, Ae, LFO, RDJ of course, Sweet Excorcist, BOC, you name it. RDJ is pretty dead if you ask me, LFO was dead very soon, but Ae still lives and Plaid - well, we've got Scintilli now, I think it's a bit lazy and unfinished. But their OSTs are very vital albums (Tekkonkinkreet and Heavens Door) - great stuff, some very enjoyable music.
First it was
S'Express and
The Beatmasters on Rhythm King label for me. Around 1991 onwards XL-Recordings (The Prodigy, Jonny L, Liquid, Nu-matic etc. etc.). Warp had my lesser attention and I never explored IDM deeper than Autechre, Aphex Twin, B12, The Black Dog and LFO. All the Board of Canada's and Plaids just sounded somewhat lame when I sampled them. I have the two Artificial Intelligence compilations that came out and most of the track on them are enjoyable.
Quote from: 71 dB on September 13, 2011, 05:46:05 AMFirst it was S'Express and The Beatmasters
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Shostakovich.
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I see that I voted 95%. In fairness, I should probably emend that to 90%.
Quote from: Brian on May 20, 2007, 03:03:49 PM
Do you own the CDs "Gershwin Plays Gershwin" and "Zez Confrey Rolls", produced by Artis Wodehouse for (I think) Warner? They are mandatory: utterly brilliant playing by the giants of the 1920s, in modern DDD sound. :)
Picked up the Gershwin not all that long ago, sheer delight.
Quote from: Brian on May 20, 2007, 02:40:43 PM
85%
There's plenty of fun stuff in my collection besides classical, despite Harry:
- Traditional music from China, Lebanon, Turkey, Hungary, and ;D Kentucky
- Klezmer (Finjan!)
- Latin jazz (Tito Puente!)
- Simon Shaheen's brilliant Arab jazz album
- Brazilian guitar
- Great singer/songwriters: Jim Croce, Paul Simon, Randy Newman, John Denver
- Old-style jazz
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 14, 2011, 09:15:37 AM
I see that I voted 95%. In fairness, I should probably emend that to 90%.
Or, possibly, to 85%.
I voted 85% — it's probably a bit higher these days, but in any given year I have short phases of renewed interest in the experimental end of electronic dance music, or synthpop (the 80's were my teenage years), or some elements of indie rock (Deerhoof, most recently). I also listen very occasionally to other "classical" traditions such as Indian and Thai music but am not including this in my 85% estimate.