Post by: Brian on March 12, 2009, 12:26:29 PM
I'll start. :)
Some releases coming out in April and May, plus one due out this month:
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Stephen Hough plays the Mendelssohn "Serious Variations", Beethoven's op. 111, and a selection of waltzes: Weber's "Invitation to the Dance," two Chopin waltzes, Liszt's Mephisto No 1, and the "Waltzing Matilda."
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Steven Osborne tackles the complete preludes.
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Naxos inaugurates a series of Bax music for piano and orchestra with the Symphonic Variations, featuring pianist Ashley Wass, conductor James Judd, and the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra.
Also possibly anticipating the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra / Gustavo Dudamel recording of Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony and the Francesca da Rimini.
Post by: The new erato on March 12, 2009, 01:49:44 PM
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And of course some EMI Icon boxes available March 23rd, prime of which is the Hans Hotter set.
Post by: George on March 12, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
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SVIATOSLAV RICHTER (1915-1997) - Early Recordings Vol. 1 - 1948-1956 Recordings
Predicted release date: March 30, 2009
Franz SCHUBERT (1797-1828);
Moments musicaux, Op. 94, D. 780 No. 1 in C major Recorded in Moscow, 1952
Impromptu, Op. 90, D. 899: No. 2 in E flat major Recorded in Moscow, 1950
Impromptu, Op. 142, D. 935: No. 2 in A flat major Recorded in Moscow in 1952
Fryderyk CHOPIN (1810-1849):
12 Etudes, Op. 25: No. 5 in E minor Recorded in Moscow in 1952
Robert SCHUMANN (1810-1856):
Fantasiestücke, Op. 12 (excerpts): No. 1. Des Abends
No. 2. Aufschwung; No. 3.Warum?
No. 5. In der Nacht; No. 8. Ende vom Lied Recorded in Moscow in 1948
Humoreske in B flat major, Op. 20 Recorded in Moscow in 1956
Producer and Audio Restoration Engineer: Ward Marston
In these recordings, the earliest of which were made after he had won joint first prize at the All- Union Piano Competition in Moscow, Richter’s dazzling technique, fluency of execution and seamless legato are already to the fore. His 1948 recording of the Fantasiestücke, Op. 12, is here reissued for the first time since the original 78rpm issue.
Naxos Historical 8111352
Post by: Bulldog on March 12, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: ChamberNut on March 13, 2009, 04:10:32 AM
Volume II of Carpe Dieme Quartet's recording of the string quartets on Naxos.
I'm emailing them today! :)
Post by: Lethevich on March 25, 2009, 07:48:11 PM
An exciting release, however I am put off immediately buying it by Edward's warning that the 9th (at the time, this was several years ago) was not worth listening to due to it being in a very poor performing edition (and the work being essentially unfinished anyway). I wonder whether this recording uses updated material?
Post by: Bunny on March 29, 2009, 08:06:16 AM
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I have all of the previous Café Zimmermann recordings of Bach, so this one gets ordered by reflex. I know it won't disappoint. I saw the recent concert in NY of di Donato and Les Talens Lyriques performing the recording, and it was sensational. That one is already in the mail; the samples of Villazon and the Gabrieli Consort are so good that I know that one will also soon be on my shelf. Fischer's Mahler never disappoints, and the critics are all applauding this Jurowski/Russian Nat'l Orch. recording of Hamlet and Romeo & Juliet which comes on the heels of their great Manfred recording so I've got my shopping done for a while. :D
Here is one that I'd love to know more about:
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Post by: DFO on March 29, 2009, 08:21:43 AM
Taneyev
Volume II of Carpe Dieme Quartet's recording of the string quartets on Naxos.
I'm emailing them today! :)
Try to get the original Melodiya set by the old 70s.Taneyev quartet.
It's extraordinary. I know has been published on CD. I've it all of them copied from vinyls.
Post by: George on March 29, 2009, 08:54:45 AM
Here is one that I'd love to know more about:
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Me too!
Question No. 1 - When did Wanderer record these works? ;D
Post by: nut-job on March 29, 2009, 09:21:02 AM
Here is one that I'd love to know more about:
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You can listen to excerpts on the Linn web site. I was unimpressed by Pizarro, who strikes me as mannered. I have to many find recordings of this piece already to be concerned with this one.
Post by: Bulldog on March 29, 2009, 09:47:36 AM
Try to get the original Melodiya set by the old 70s.Taneyev quartet.
It's extraordinary. I know has been published on CD. I've it all of them copied from vinyls.
I agree and got my recordings from Northern Flowers.
Post by: Brian on April 28, 2009, 10:42:15 AM
TaneyevHear any word?
Volume II of Carpe Dieme Quartet's recording of the string quartets on Naxos.
I'm emailing them today! :)
Here are a couple new Naxos albums I'm really looking forward to:
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Also coming out: a live recording of the world premiere performance of Martinu's Three Fragments from the Opera Juliette, a premiere entrusted - lucky for us! - to Sir Charles Mackerras and the Czech Philharmonic:
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And although the performance and sound on BBC Legends is often spotty, I am intrigued by the repertoire on this new album:
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Reznicek's Donna Diana overture, Tchaikovsky's Third Symphony, and Elgar's Enigma Variations, recorded in 1962 and 1967
And for Andreas Staier fans:
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I also see that the 11-CD Rubinstein Chopin box which has long been on Amazon for $20-$30 is being reissued, at full price, with one of the original CDs gone!
Post by: Opus106 on April 28, 2009, 10:55:15 AM
I also see that the 11-CD Rubinstein Chopin box which has long been on Amazon for $20-$30 is being reissued, at full price, with one of the original CDs gone!
Must be the last one which contains mono recordings from '46. The preludes, sonata no. 2, and some other stuff. In fact, I was just listening to that particular CD this afternoon and realised after a minute into it that I need a good, "modern" (even 60's would be fine) recording with the preludes. I just can't take the crackles and pops.
Post by: George on April 28, 2009, 11:01:18 AM
I was just listening to that particular CD this afternoon and realised after a minute into it that I need a good, "modern" (even 60's would be fine) recording with the preludes. I just can't take the crackles and pops.
Plenty of great choices available: Argerich (for white hot intensity), Pogorelich (for a more poetic, more individual), Moravec (for a poetic, more middle of the road approach.)
Post by: Opus106 on April 28, 2009, 11:03:21 AM
Plenty of great choices available: Argerich (for white hot intensity), Pogorelich (for a more poetic, more individual), Moravec (for a poetic, more middle of the road approach.)
Thanks, George. I'll have them in mind when I go shopping. :)
Update: It's the concerto disc that has been culled.
Post by: ChamberNut on April 28, 2009, 11:43:10 AM
Hear any word?
RE: Taneyev Quartets (Volume II) on Naxos (Carpe Diem Quartet)
Yes Brian, I did get a response from Korine Fujiwara, the violist of Carpe Diem, although it was pretty vague as to the release of Volume II. Here is re:
Volume two is in the Naxos pipeline shortly, it will include String Quartets #2 and 4. I think you will also like these pieces. We certainly enjoyed learning, performing, and recording them--they are just beautiful works.
Post by: The new erato on April 28, 2009, 12:04:32 PM
A few things still marked as preorder only at mdt which will be ordered on release:Done. Fine disc.
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(https://secure.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/88697148442.jpg)Listening to it now!
(https://secure.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/DAPHNE1035.jpg)On its way in the mail from mdt.
(https://secure.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/CLM37601.jpg)Still on the backburner.
On its way in the mail from Crotchet.
And of course some EMI Icon boxes available March 23rd, prime of which is the Hans Hotter set.
Overall some mighty fine work by me!
Post by: edward on April 28, 2009, 12:39:28 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vowudm7OL._SS400_.jpg)A very belated response here: this is not the Rozhdestvensky version that caused the family to ban further performances of the work, but a new performing edition with the entire score having been deciphered and re-edited by the composer Alexander Raskatov. I will probably buy it when I see it, though I know critical opinion has not been particularly favourable.
An exciting release, however I am put off immediately buying it by Edward's warning that the 9th (at the time, this was several years ago) was not worth listening to due to it being in a very poor performing edition (and the work being essentially unfinished anyway). I wonder whether this recording uses updated material?
Post by: Que on April 28, 2009, 01:48:25 PM
Here are some recently released recordings that I'm looking forward to:
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And this:
And for Andreas Staier fans:
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Also this, which I even preordered.
It will finally complete the whole Haydn SQ cycle! :)
(ARCANA stopped activity before it could be issued before, due to the decease of its owner, Michel Bernstein.)
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Q
Post by: FideLeo on April 28, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
It will finally complete the whole Haydn SQ cycle! :)
(ARCANA stopped activity before it could be issued before, due to the decease of its owner, Michel Bernstein.)
It looks like someone has decided to take over the label. New website: www.arcana.eu
Post by: Que on April 28, 2009, 09:46:25 PM
It looks like someone has decided to take over the label. New website: www.arcana.eu
AntoineMarchand was ahead on posting that. :) But I guess we agree that it is very good news. I need some more ARCANA issues and can't wait for their reappearance. :D
Q
Post by: FideLeo on April 29, 2009, 01:48:51 AM
I need some more ARCANA issues and can't wait for their reappearance. :D
I personally think Bernstein did better work in his previous Astree-Auvidis period. But who doesn't need more new issues and reissues? ;)
Post by: Que on April 29, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
I personally think Bernstein did better work in his previous Astree-Auvidis period. But who doesn't need more new issues and reissues? ;)
Well, now you mention Astrée-Audivis: they have a notoriously bad track record on reissuing... ::)
So, I'm also looking forward to many reissues by them as well! 8)
Q
Post by: FideLeo on April 29, 2009, 06:51:45 PM
Well, now you mention Astrée-Audivis: they have a notoriously bad track record on reissuing... ::)
Of course because Astrée-Audivis is officially dead - their back catalogue was purchased by Naive, who seems rather naive about its reselling value... ;D
Post by: Que on April 30, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
Of course because Astrée-Audivis is officially dead - their back catalogue was purchased by Naive, who seems rather naive about its reselling value... ;D
Indeed. Naïve does great work with Opus 111 for instance, but in handling the back catalogue they're idiots... ::)
Maybe they should pass it over to Brilliant - they'll know what to do with it. 8) SELL it for example. ::)
Q
Post by: Brian on April 30, 2009, 07:20:11 AM
Unfortunately an error on their webpage prevents the full list from showing.
Post by: Opus106 on April 30, 2009, 07:27:46 AM
Naxos have just released their June CD list, and I am somewhat amazed to see two odd transcriptions featured: Beethoven's Second Symphony arranged by the composer for piano trio, and Vivaldi's Four Seasons arranged for solo piano by the pianist (Jeffrey Biegel). I'm pretty sure the former will sound wonderful, but the latter is not a recording I look forward to.
Unfortunately an error on their webpage prevents the full list from showing.
Indeed, the Beethoven is quite good. (Duh, Duh, Duh, DUUH!)
As for the Vivaldi, I remember Manuel, classical music uploader extraordinaire, once sent me a link a to a live performance of Argerich performing the transcriptions. It beats me why I never downloaded them. I've to thank you for reminding me about it. :)
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2009, 01:44:54 PM
Post by: Brian on August 06, 2009, 07:44:02 AM
I'm also looking forward to the release of Simon Rattle's Brahms symphonies cycle, not because I want to hear it, but because I anticipate David Hurwitz' venomous "1 out of 10" review.
Some September releases that could be awesome:
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Check out this one:
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STOKOWSKI, LEOPOLD The Maverick Conductor. EMI Icon 10cds [preorder MDT: $35]Only thing I don't like is the bizarre "excerpt" quality of CD 8.
CD1
Bach/Stokowski: Orchestral Transcriptions
CD2
Bartók: Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta, Sz106 (1936)
Ibert: Escales
Martin: Petite Symphonie Concertante (1945)
Farberman: Evolution (part 1)
Persichetti: Divertimento for band – March
CD3
Debussy: Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune; Trois Nocturnes
Suite bergamasque – Clair de lune; Images pour orchestre No. 2 – Ibéria
CD4
Shostakovich: Symphony No.11 in G minor, Op. 103 'The Year 1905'
Barber: Adagio for Strings
CD5
Holst: The Planets, Op. 32
Schoenberg: Verklärte Nacht
CD6
Glière/Stokowski: Symphony No. 3 in B minor, Op. 42 'Ilya Murometz'
Stravinsky: Petrushka – Suite
The Firebird – Suite
CD7
Dukas: La Péri – Fanfare
Turina: La Oración del torero, Op. 34
Loeffler: A Pagan Poem, Op. 14
Ravel: Alborada del gracioso; Rapsodie espagnole
Sibelius: Four Legends, Op. 22 – The Swan of Tuonela; Finlandia, Op.2 6
CD8
Orff: Carmina Burana
Strauss: Suite in B flat for Wind Instruments, Op. 4 – Gavotte
Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 8 in D minor – Scherzo
Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4 in F minor, Op. 36 – Scherzo
Mussorgsky/Ravel: Pictures at an Exhibition – The Hut on Fowl's Legs; The Great Gate of Kiev
CD9
Respighi: Pini di Roma
Khachaturian: Symphony No. 2 "The Bell'
Frescobaldi: Gagliarda
Palestrina/Stokowski: Adoramus te Christe, motet for 4 voices
CD10
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1, Op. 10; Prelude & Fugue for piano No.14 in E flat minor, Op. 87
Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District, Op. 29 – Entr' Acte
Bloch: Schelomo (Hebrew rhapsody for Cello & Orchestra)
Cesti/Stokowski: Tu mancavi a tormentarmi – arranged for strings & harp
Gabrielli/Stokowski: Sacrae Symphoniae No. 6 – Sonata pian e forte for 8 parts
Also I see Roger Norrington is going to do a HIP, vibrato-free Bruckner 7. Barf!
Post by: MishaK on August 06, 2009, 07:52:29 AM
Post by: admiralackbar74 on August 11, 2009, 10:48:56 AM
I'm very much looking forward to reading reviews of Pollini's Bach WTC I.
Post by: Bulldog on August 11, 2009, 03:46:56 PM
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I'm very much looking forward to reading reviews of Pollini's Bach WTC I.
Now that's a set I'll have to get regardless of the reviews. Thanks for the heads-up.
Post by: Bulldog on August 11, 2009, 03:53:45 PM
In October (?) pianist Alexandre Tharaud will release his first CD on Virgin, a Chopin recital. :)
I'm also looking forward to the release of Simon Rattle's Brahms symphonies cycle, not because I want to hear it, but because I anticipate David Hurwitz' venomous "1 out of 10" review.
Some September releases that could be awesome:
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The Beethoven set with Faust and Melnikov looks particularly enticing. 8)
Post by: The new erato on August 11, 2009, 10:41:51 PM
Post by: Brian on August 14, 2009, 05:12:20 PM
Post by: George on August 14, 2009, 05:28:03 PM
Naxos have just released some interesting news. They are in the process of recording a CD of rare and world-premiere piano pieces by the composition students of Frederic Chopin. The music is apparently not just carbon-copies of Mr. C: the composers include a Norwegian and a Romanian who brought their own folk dances to the salon, much as Chopin brought the mazurka. Full information here. (http://www.naxos.com/news/default.asp?op=630&displayMenu=In_the_Studio&type=2) Definitely a recording I anticipate quite a bit. :)
VERY cool Brian. Thanks for the heads-up. :)
I do hope he plays in a older, romantic style. If so, I'll be first in line for a copy.
Post by: The new erato on August 14, 2009, 10:35:12 PM
Post by: Brian on October 21, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Yevgeny Sudbin returns with Rach 4, Medtner 2, and ... the North Carolina Symphony Orchestra? Sounds like one for Sonic Dave!
Post by: Brewski on October 21, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
and ... the North Carolina Symphony Orchestra? Sounds like one for Sonic Dave!
How totally cool. This is exactly what Alex Ross was referring to awhile back, in his tour of orchestras in the middle of the country - i.e., outside those in major metropolitan areas. I'll bet the NC group sounds pretty good, and I've heard good things about Grant Llewellyn's work.
--Bruce
Post by: Mandryka on October 22, 2009, 10:20:08 PM
Symphonies 52, 60, 39, 73. Blum with the Esterhazy Orchestra. To be released January 2010. Pre-order from amazon.com
Qaurtets Opus 33, Apponyi-Quartett. Should have been re-released last week but it has been delayed. Pre-order from amazon.de
Post by: Opus106 on January 17, 2010, 03:53:53 AM
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Post by: Brian on January 25, 2010, 09:39:40 AM
This should be great. Reissue of the Golden Spinning Wheel (originally paired with the Sixth Symphony) and all-new recordings of the other three.
Post by: Lethevich on January 27, 2010, 04:39:27 PM
Post by: Brian on January 27, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
That Golden Spinning Wheel was an extremely good performance - even Kubelik doesn't beat it. It should be an amazing release, although the greedy side of me hopes this set includes the Hero's Song - it is technically part of the set, and it could do with a great performance to raise it from the mediocrity it perhaps deserves... Also, without that it's a very underfilled 2 CD set if it overruns a first disc
1CD
I'd love to have a Mackerras CD with the Hero's Song, Czech Suite, and a few overtures (the Hussite, Othello, Vanda, Rusalka...)
Post by: DarkAngel on January 28, 2010, 05:44:22 AM
Very soon we will hear Andreas Staier take on Bach's Goldberg Variations out Feb 2010, includes a 25 minute bonus DVD which I love to have for valuable background info. I am very hopeful this will directly challenge the very top rank harpsicord versions, using an Anthony Sidey replica Hass harpsicord.......it will not be a safe old school traditional performance (I predict)
I expect similar style as his recent Hamburg 1734 CD where he plays other German composers of same time period as JS Bach, also uses same German Hass harpsicord.....also we have some great previous Bach material in small boxset.
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Post by: Brian on February 22, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Brilliant's new Historic Russian Archives box contains a recording of Alexander Gauk leading the USSR State Symphony in a performance of Walter Piston's "Gettysburg" Symphony. That has to be the weirdest thing I've ever heard!
Post by: Antoine Marchand on February 22, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
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Very soon we will hear Andreas Staier take on Bach's Goldberg Variations out Feb 2010, includes a 25 minute bonus DVD which I love to have for valuable background info. I am very hopeful this will directly challenge the very top rank harpsicord versions, using an Anthony Sidey replica Hass harpsicord.......it will not be a safe old school traditional performance (I predict)
I’m curious DA: What names do you have in mind as representative of that “safe old school traditional performance”?
Post by: Lethevich on February 23, 2010, 04:29:12 AM
It may require some necromancy, but I still want it :'(
Post by: (: premont :) on February 23, 2010, 01:44:06 PM
... a safe old school traditional performance (I predict)
I very much second Antoine´s quest above for some elaboration of this concept.
Whom are you thinking of?
Post by: vandermolen on February 24, 2010, 09:11:40 AM
Post by: George on March 09, 2010, 06:06:10 PM
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http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Decca/4782340 (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Decca/4782340)
I am sure to pick that one up. I have his Brahms set and it's outstanding. $:)
Post by: Opus106 on March 09, 2010, 08:55:38 PM
I have heard that Decca will be releasing a box of Radu Lupu's solo recordings on April 12:
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I am sure to pick that one up. I have his Brahms set and it's outstanding. $:)
I have none of those recordings, but the Schubert and Brahms have been on my wish-list for a long time. Thanks for the heads-up, George. :)
Post by: George on March 10, 2010, 04:08:12 AM
I have none of those recordings, but the Schubert and Brahms have been on my wish-list for a long time. Thanks for the heads-up, George. :)
No problem. Hopefully it will be widely available and a nice cheap price.
Post by: techniquest on March 14, 2010, 07:15:02 AM
I'm also looking forward to the raft of new Mahler recordings which should happen over these two anniversary years. :)
Post by: The new erato on March 14, 2010, 08:01:28 AM
Really? I'm rather fearing the flood of superfluous issues displacing worthier projects of music in need of recording the coming years. Which Mahler Symphonies do you lack satisfactory recordings of?
I'm also looking forward to the raft of new Mahler recordings which should happen over these two anniversary years. :)
Post by: techniquest on March 14, 2010, 10:44:41 AM
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Really? I'm rather fearing the flood of superfluous issues displacing worthier projects of music in need of recording the coming years. Which Mahler Symphonies do you lack satisfactory recordings of?OK, so you don't like Mahler. No need to be quite so pompous though, is there? Let's hope that your worthier projects (whatever they may be) get recorded too. :)
Post by: The new erato on March 14, 2010, 10:51:57 AM
OK, so you don't like Mahler. No need to be quite so pompous though, is there? Let's hope that your worthier projects (whatever they may be) get recorded too. :)Quite the contrary. I just cannot see the need for the industry to concentrate their efforts on an area of repertoire that is already so excessively covered. I would much rather see (eg) a major orchestra record the Hans Rott symphony than another Mahler work and cannot see the excitement in the possibility of adding another cycle (or symphony) to the already well filled shelves!
Post by: George on March 14, 2010, 08:45:20 PM
I have none of those recordings, but the Schubert and Brahms have been on my wish-list for a long time. Thanks for the heads-up, George. :)
It's now available for pre-order at MDT at a very nice price: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/4782340.htm
Post by: Opus106 on March 14, 2010, 08:51:10 PM
It's now available for pre-order at MDT at a very nice price: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/4782340.htm
Yes, checked that yesterday. :)
Post by: George on March 14, 2010, 08:53:06 PM
Yes, checked that yesterday. :)
I just pre-ordered it. 0:)
Post by: Opus106 on March 14, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
I just pre-ordered it. 0:)
Noticed that just now. ;D
Post by: The new erato on March 20, 2010, 12:11:39 AM
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/inthestudio (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/inthestudio)
In Particular: "Australian Eloquence - Forthcoming releases for 2010-11
Rare L’Oiseau-Lyre recordings both old and new – The Melos Ensemble of London’s complete Decca recordings; Raymond Leppard’s recording of French Baroque music; and several from Anthony Rooley and The Consort of Music, including two of the most important anthologies of early music to be published: Musick of Sundrie Kindes and Le Chansonnier Condiforme."
also: "Elisabeth Söderström (all the Tchaikovsky recordings with Ashkenazy), Galina Vishnevskaya (Russian songs, including a previously unissued Decca LP of Tchaikovsky songs with Rostropovich), the complete Decca recitals of Sylvia Sass (two LPs of opera arias and a disc of Bartók and Liszt songs with András Schiff),"
And Decca had to lease their tapes to Australia to get this done! How the mighty have indeed fallen!
Also Scarlatti's San Filippo Neri from Brilliant, in an anniversary year where Scarlatti seems all neglected while "the majors" and everybody lse does endless rehashing of older Mahler and Chopin stuff. Hats off to to Brilliant, and lets hope for more Scarlatti!
Post by: Que on March 20, 2010, 01:09:30 AM
Count me in for the Tchaikovsky songs with Söderström. The previous issue on 2 CD's did not cover all the songs that were originally issued on LP. I wonder what they will do this time...And of course no texts... ::) But I'll welcome it anyway. 8)
Q
Post by: Brian on March 20, 2010, 08:37:46 AM
Post by: Brian on May 10, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
(http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/t_200/dg4778775.jpg)
Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra of Venezuela
Gustavo Dudamel
Post by: Brian on June 09, 2010, 07:49:08 AM
Post by: Franco on June 09, 2010, 08:12:10 AM
A few months ago I PM'd Harry not-so-subtly hinting to him that if Brilliant released sets of the Complete Works of Dvorak and Ravel, I'd buy 'em. :) I'd like to hear Ravel's second work, for piano, Variations on a Theme of Grieg (Aase's Death).
Does Harry have something to do with what Brilliant releases? I had no idea.
Post by: edward on June 09, 2010, 12:14:40 PM
Gerhaher in Das Knaben Wunderhorn and Aimard's Ravel concerti both sound interesting, though.
Post by: kishnevi on June 09, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Oddly enough, the two releases I'm most waiting for at present are on Naxos: Gisele Ben-Dor conducting Ginastera's Popol Vuh (not out here till the end of the month), and then Schmidt's 3rd a month later.
Gerhaher in Das Knaben Wunderhorn and Aimard's Ravel concerti both sound interesting, though.
Gerhaher has recorded several of the Wunderhorn songs, as well as the Wayfarer, Kindertotenlieder and Ruckert cycles, in their piano incarnations (and Schoenberg's chamber ensemble arrangement of the Wayfarer songs), spread out over 2 CDs, one issued by RCA last year, the other now found on Arte Nova (ie, RCA's budget reissue label), if you want a preview of the orchestral versions.
Post by: edward on June 09, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
the other now found on Arte Nova (ie, RCA's budget reissue label)Yes, that's one of the reasons I'm interested. :)
Post by: Brewski on June 10, 2010, 11:29:32 AM
Scheduled for release in September (why must they have us wait so long?):
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Now that looks absolutely fascinating. I had no idea Boulez would even consider Szymanowski.
I just found out that Marc-André Hamelin is finally releasing all of his études, also in September. The ones I've heard have been marvelous, many spiked with humor.
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67789
--Bruce
Post by: Opus106 on June 10, 2010, 11:36:53 AM
Now that looks absolutely fascinating. I had no idea Boulez would even consider Szymanowski.
I wonder if it's from a concert. I've seen intert00b-checks of the violinist-orchestra-conductor trio performing the concerto. Or perhaps this is like the M2 recording.
Post by: Brewski on June 10, 2010, 11:43:09 AM
--Bruce
Post by: Opus106 on June 10, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Just checked DG's site, and they were apparently both made from live recordings in Vienna: the Violin Concerto in June 2009, and the Symphony in March 2010. Not sure I'm crazy about the marketing, though: it's a 2-CD set, but the music is only 48 minutes, and the second disc is 45 minutes, but it's the same 15-minute interview--in English, French and German.
--Bruce
What were they thinking!?
Post by: Brewski on June 10, 2010, 11:50:32 AM
What were they thinking!?
"Let's appear to be giving the consumer a good deal, when in reality we're not." ;D
--Bruce
Post by: George on June 10, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
What were they thinking!?
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Post by: Brewski on June 10, 2010, 11:53:45 AM
--Bruce
Post by: George on June 10, 2010, 12:14:23 PM
Or yes, perhaps that was it. ;D
--Bruce
;)
Post by: greg on June 10, 2010, 01:25:47 PM
Quite the contrary. I just cannot see the need for the industry to concentrate their efforts on an area of repertoire that is already so excessively covered. I would much rather see (eg) a major orchestra record the Hans Rott symphony than another Mahler work and cannot see the excitement in the possibility of adding another cycle (or symphony) to the already well filled shelves!Even I agree with this. I bet, in the end, the reason for this is that it's all about about the money. :(
Mahler is already well enough recorded.
Post by: Brian on June 10, 2010, 01:59:43 PM
Even I agree with this. I bet, in the end, the reason for this is that it's all about about the money. :(
Hey, if the Chicago Symphony recorded an Atterberg cycle, I would buy multiple copies.
Post by: Renfield on June 10, 2010, 02:05:57 PM
But Mahler, Beethoven et al. have their place too.
I'd be sad if the views of current exponents of his work were not captured on record simply because there's too many out in the market already.
Post by: greg on June 10, 2010, 05:28:32 PM
If anyone major recorded a Brian cycle, I'd preorder it right now.I would be interested, too, but the problem with him is that that'd be a HUGE task for a single orchestra and conductor. I'm pretty sure a Brian cycle would be a lot of CDs (although i've fit 3 or 4 on one disc, so maybe not as much as I'm thinking). It would take someone who is very passionate about his music and also very much able to do what he wants to be able to pull that one off- and I guess there isn't anyone "major" who is like that.
Post by: Renfield on June 10, 2010, 06:25:54 PM
I would be interested, too, but the problem with him is that that'd be a HUGE task for a single orchestra and conductor. I'm pretty sure a Brian cycle would be a lot of CDs (although i've fit 3 or 4 on one disc, so maybe not as much as I'm thinking). It would take someone who is very passionate about his music and also very much able to do what he wants to be able to pull that one off- and I guess there isn't anyone "major" who is like that.
Arguably, this is one of the drawbacks from moving away from the 'conductor-king' age: it's harder for a conductor, even if they do admire a certain composer, to just have a record company humour them and fund recordings of his/her music.
Post by: Lethevich on June 11, 2010, 08:31:46 AM
I would be happy enough with just single discs of the shorter symphonies but even those are seen as too much of a risk for usually enterprising record labels. It brings home the guts Marco Polo had to record so many of them in the first place.
Post by: Scarpia on June 11, 2010, 08:37:36 AM
Arguably, this is one of the drawbacks from moving away from the 'conductor-king' age: it's harder for a conductor, even if they do admire a certain composer, to just have a record company humour them and fund recordings of his/her music.
I think there are a lot more recording of obscure music now than in the "golden age" when major labels recorded major conductors. How much obscure music is there in the discography of Reiner, Karajan, Solti, Szell, etc? We already have cycles of symphonies that have essentially never been performed except for the recording sessions. (I.e., we have a Parry cycle, a Pettersson cycle, a Rubbra cycle, etc) Brian is just too far down that road, or maybe just hasn't found its motivated producer yet.
Post by: springrite on June 11, 2010, 08:40:12 AM
Post by: Renfield on June 11, 2010, 08:47:03 AM
I think there are a lot more recording of obscure music now than in the "golden age" when major labels recorded major conductors. How much obscure music is there in the discography of Reiner, Karajan, Solti, Szell, etc?
But a question worth asking is, how much of their discography was considered obscure then?
I do agree there is a significant number of 'obscure' composers being recorded at present, more than in any other time.
Yet that might be a top-down tendency, after producers started realising they won't sell their new Ring unless it can compete with the old ones, whereas premiere recordings have no competition. There's hardly a necessity, in that system, for producers to ask conductors (or have the erudition themselves) towards deciding which obscure composer to record with criteria beyond his/her rarity, or, say, her gender.
The above is also largely why I am cautious with acquiring recordings of rarities without knowing beforehand why they are not better known.
Post by: Scarpia on June 11, 2010, 10:13:03 AM
But a question worth asking is, how much of their discography was considered obscure then?
Well, Karajan recorded Sibelius symphonies back when they were considered less essential than today and a few other oddities like some Roussel with Legge. Solti had an early album of Kodaly, Reiner recorded one Hovahannes symphony and Dorati one Pettersson. But it was mostly a steady stream of Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Strauss, Wagner, etc.
Post by: Renfield on June 11, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
Well, Karajan recorded Sibelius symphonies back when they were considered less essential than today and a few other oddities like some Roussel with Legge. Solti had an early album of Kodaly, Reiner recorded one Hovahannes symphony and Dorati one Pettersson. But it was mostly a steady stream of Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Strauss, Wagner, etc.
Add to that the Mahler Reiner pre-60s, the Honegger and possibly the early Bruckner for Jochum... I'm not trying to say they're necessarily of comparable rarity to Rubbra or Parry, but I also doubt they would have happened without the conductors rooting for them.
Post by: Brian on June 11, 2010, 12:22:55 PM
Well, Karajan recorded Sibelius symphonies back when they were considered less essential than today and a few other oddities like some Roussel with Legge. Solti had an early album of Kodaly, Reiner recorded one Hovahannes symphony and Dorati one Pettersson. But it was mostly a steady stream of Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Strauss, Wagner, etc.
To throw in more examples, look what Charles Mackerras has done for Janacek, or what Thomas Beecham did for quite a few composers.
Post by: kishnevi on June 12, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
You can't tell from the poorly designed cover, but this CD contains one piece I'm not too interested in - the Rite of Spring - and one that I am very much interested in - Revueltas' La noche de los Mayas.
(http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/t_200/dg4778775.jpg)
Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra of Venezuela
Gustavo Dudamel
Did you get this one yet? and if so, would you recommend it?
Post by: Brian on June 24, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Post by: Mirror Image on June 24, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
Did you get this one yet? and if so, would you recommend it?
"The Rite of Spring" performance on this Dudamel disc is quite good, but isn't of particular interest to me. Revueltas' "La Noche de los Mayas" was of huge interest to me and is worth the price of purchase. I can only hope that Dudamel continues to record more Latin American music. He did an excellent job with the Revueltas.
Post by: Lethevich on June 24, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
I just loaded my Naxos CD, "Beethoven: String Trios," into iTunes. This is a 2006 CD featuring Beethoven's Op 3 and Op 8. According to iTunes, the official title of the CD is "Beethoven - Complete Works - [Disc 48]." The artist and label information are still accurate. Maybe Naxos are preparing for a gigantic box set...Given the low discount per disc of Naxos' boxed sets, it would probably cost the earth :'(
Post by: cosmicj on June 25, 2010, 06:24:04 AM
I just loaded my Naxos CD, "Beethoven: String Trios," into iTunes. This is a 2006 CD featuring Beethoven's Op 3 and Op 8. According to iTunes, the official title of the CD is "Beethoven - Complete Works - [Disc 48]." The artist and label information are still accurate. Maybe Naxos are preparing for a gigantic box set...
Brian - I've been listening to the Leopold Trio doing the Op. 9 Beethoven trios and am really, really impressed all-around. This is a five-star disc as far as I'm concerned. I was expecting pretty good early Beethoven - Op. 9 is better than that. The Leopold Trio performance is outstanding the sonics are state-of-the-art. Try to check it out.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P58W5ERYL._SS400_.jpg)
Post by: Brian on July 07, 2010, 09:06:30 AM
I'm looking forward to Ronald Brautigam's Beethoven piano sonata cycle (BIS) issued as a box set. I've been trying to be a cheapskate and buy very few CDs this year - I've spent $43 on CDs over the last four months - but that box set is one I've been saving up for.
Post by: Brian on July 09, 2010, 07:09:13 AM
The samples (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67861/3) are absolutely outstanding. They suggest elegant, very delicate, even fragile Mozart. There's basically nothing HIP about them, but it's so appealing to my ears anyhow! Seems to me that the Viennese grace which many inferior ensembles aspire to in boring ways, is achieved here in a lovely way.
Post by: Brahmsian on July 09, 2010, 07:22:07 AM
(http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/jpegs/150dpi/e5d7a8492a40bf3e/034571178615.png)
The samples (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67861/3) are absolutely outstanding. They suggest elegant, very delicate, even fragile Mozart. There's basically nothing HIP about them, but it's so appealing to my ears anyhow! Seems to me that the Viennese grace which many inferior ensembles aspire to in boring ways, is achieved here in a lovely way.
Oooooh! That looks great! :)
Post by: DavidRoss on August 02, 2010, 04:38:16 PM
Post by: Lethevich on September 10, 2010, 11:53:21 AM
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/561/n7bqdu3g.jpg) (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67782)
Post by: Brian on September 25, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
Post by: Henk on November 21, 2010, 03:40:28 AM
Some new recordings which tickle my fancy:
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Post by: kishnevi on November 21, 2010, 12:01:09 PM
Despite this thread being so poorly defined and very much ambiguous, I'll try to use it with lots of reluctance.
Some new recordings which tickle my fancy:
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Resolution is too low for me to read that beyond "Beethoven" and the names for two performers, Guy and Jordan. What works are on this?
And the two other images don't show at all, although the URLS did when I hit quote. Perhaps MDT doesn't allow hotlinking?
Post by: Brahmsian on November 21, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
Despite this thread being so poorly defined and very much ambiguous, I'll try to use it with lots of reluctance.
Thread name seems pretty clear to me, and I'm sure, to majority of the posters.
Post by: DavidW on November 21, 2010, 12:15:19 PM
Resolution is too low for me to read that beyond "Beethoven" and the names for two performers, Guy and Jordan. What works are on this?
And the two other images don't show at all, although the URLS did when I hit quote. Perhaps MDT doesn't allow hotlinking?
Complete piano concertos, it is a low contrast of words in blue on gray background, makes it tricky to read. :)
Post by: George on November 21, 2010, 12:28:23 PM
Thread name seems pretty clear to me, and I'm sure, to majority of the posters.
Yeah, I love tunafish. ;)
Seriously though, yeah I totally agree.
Post by: Henk on November 21, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
Thread name seems pretty clear to me, and I'm sure, to majority of the posters.
I do not owe you further explanation.
Henk
Post by: Henk on November 21, 2010, 12:41:35 PM
And the two other images don't show at all, although the URLS did when I hit quote. Perhaps MDT doesn't allow hotlinking?
Mozart | Piano sonatas / Pienaar
Messiaen - Catalogue d'Oiseaux / Kodama
Post by: kishnevi on November 21, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
Mozart | Piano sonatas / Pienaar
Messiaen - Catalogue d'Oiseaux / Kodama
Thanks. I'd be most interested in the Mozart. Messiaen moves me minimally. And, although I usually like what I hear from Naive, I already have six full cycles of the Piano Concertos, including one PI; I don't think I need another one. But I seem to remember at least one of the individual CDs in this set was reviewed favorably on Ionarts.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on December 16, 2010, 06:13:27 AM
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After a praised discography; Ciacconas of JS BACH diapason découverte in 2005, Préludes, Chorals & Fugues de JS BACH diapason d’or in 2009, several records in romantic music; Schumann in 2007, Chopin in 2010, Edna Stern offers her first concerto recording.
She chose early Mozart concertos which played many times in a quintet format and for which she rediscovered this chamber approach with the soloist of the Orchestre d’Auvergne. As Mozart left Salzbourg’s archibishop to become an independant musician, his new concertos are a true change compared to the baroque form of concertos where the soloist was at the center followed by the orchestra. Mozart chose a passionate dialogue betwen the piano and individual members of the orchestra, where the piano express its feeling and the orchestra comments them, the winds play at the first person. “Both the level and the nature of the dialogue in K.271 were without precedent. So was the promotion of the wind section to the front ranks of musical diplomacy.Jeremy Siepmann
'In my view the modern piano, with its immense possibilities, can evoke at the same time or successively a whole host of characters and feelings, as in an opera. But it also retains sufficient distance to be able to express itself metaphorically. These characters seem to speak to us, but not in specific terms. Only the extreme precision of their phrasing makes them real and close to us. It’s all there in the notes, with incredible skill in the detail! And that’s what I love in these concertos: a skill that is so poetic and touching.' Edna Stern
Oh, foolish girl, you have missed a great opportunity! You and your modern piano... >:(
Post by: Antoine Marchand on December 16, 2010, 06:29:21 AM
Post by: DavidRoss on December 16, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
BTW, my previous post is a demonstration that we need a thread simply titled "New recordings" [or "New releases", a bit broader], merely informative and independently of our own interest or lack of it on a particular new release. But this issue has already been discussed and decided and, apparently, the administrators and several members have another opinion. :PDo you mean someone told you not to start such a thread if you like? How strange!
As mentioned elsewhere, I'm looking forward to Jacobs recording Mozart's Abduction from the Seraglio as well as more Mozart symphonies and some of the late piano concertos. I'd like to hear MTT/SFS record a disc of Mason Bates's music and would love for them to release a recording of Schuman's violin concerto with Gil Shaham. And I'd like Eric Whitacre to complete his opera and record it.
Post by: Que on December 17, 2010, 01:44:11 AM
BTW, my previous post is a demonstration that we need a thread simply titled "New recordings" [or "New releases", a bit broader], merely informative and independently of our own interest or lack of it on a particular new release. But this issue has already been discussed and decided and, apparently, the administrators and several members have another opinion. :P
I think the whole issue with the thread called: "New and exciting recordings - A thread for posting about currently or recently released exciting recordings or recordings which are planned to be released and you think can be interesting." was a bit more complicated than just an initiative for a thread on recent issues... 8)
Personally I think there will be quite some overlap with the considering & purchasing threads, because new issues are regularly discussed there. And this thread, of course. If I myself want to post about an new issues I spotted but haven't heard or decided on yet, I post it in a relevant recordings thread - the Mozart's piano concertos thread in this particular case. :)
Q
Post by: Antoine Marchand on December 17, 2010, 02:07:51 AM
Do you mean someone told you not to start such a thread if you like? How strange!
No, not me, David. It was a discussion on a new thread started some days ago by Henk (and referred by Q in his reply). :)
Post by: Antoine Marchand on December 17, 2010, 02:19:10 AM
Personally I think there will be quite some overlap with the considering & purchasing threads, because new issues are regularly discussed there. And this thread, of course. If I myself want to post about an new issues I spotted but haven't heard or decided on yet, I post it in a relevant recordings thread - the Mozart's piano concertos thread in this particular case. :)
It's just I was a bit surprised by the strong opposition to that apparently innocuous idea. After all we have a lot of thematically similar threads; anyway, it is not my battle. :)
Post by: Brian on December 23, 2010, 04:05:25 PM
- Tchaikovsky symphony cycle by Igor Markevitch, reissued by Newton Classics
- Yevgeny Sudbin and Osmo Vanska tackle Beethoven piano concertos 4 and 5 with the Minnesota Orchestra
Post by: DavidRoss on December 24, 2010, 06:49:25 AM
Post by: The new erato on December 24, 2010, 12:37:34 PM
http://www.classicstoday.com/features/20091229_2010Preview.asp (http://www.classicstoday.com/features/20091229_2010Preview.asp)
Post by: Xenophanes on December 26, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cx-hWtnFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
The Fine Arts Quartet and Reginald Kell doing the Mozart and Brahms Clarinet Quintets:
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/61/e5/91a3c060ada07b6d9b83c110.L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
And the same group doing the Bartok quartets:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51U%2BMWo7H7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
And then I am trying to decide on a box set of the complete Haydn symphonies. Fischer's sounds very good from the snatches on Amazon.com, though there are good reports of the old Dorati and the new Dennis Russell Davies, not to mention the Naxos set which Scott Morrison likes.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51L3NY-n5xL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2010, 09:38:59 AM
Post by: DavidRoss on December 31, 2010, 10:21:31 AM
Coming in January 2011, Leif Segerstam conducts his own Symphonies Nos 81, 162, and 181 (http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=ODE1172-2). I've never heard any Segerstam, so I'm kind of curious how he has managed to write 181 symphonies. And I find it hilarious that the "name" of Symphony No 81 is "After Eighty." Duh?I've never heard one, either. Pure prejudice on my part. I find it hard to believe that anyone could write so many with none being critically acclaimed, if there were any good ones. I find it hard to believe that one could write so many, period, and make them any good. And I find it hard to believe that a guy with a full schedule as a conductor and teacher could find the time necessary to write good ones, let alone 100 of them. (Mahler's the only guy I know who accomplished this and he managed only nine--10 counting DLVDE. Of course, he didn't have the internet!)
Post by: Scarpia on December 31, 2010, 10:27:34 AM
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2010, 10:33:33 AM
He wrote 181 symphonies? That sound deranged. Thirty two was enough to put me off Brian. Maybe he calls every doodle he produces a "symphony."
Actually he has a whole different cycle of twenty-minute pieces he calls Thoughts (http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=BIS-CD-583).
Post by: Mandryka on January 01, 2011, 12:21:35 AM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Alexiel-Lubimov/dp/B004E2WK6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1293869942&sr=8-1
I need another Op 111 like a hole in the head but this guy's interesting and I think he has done some of his best work recenlty (check the live Mozart PC24 on symohonyshare for example. Unbelievable ornamentation in the second movement.)
So I will pre order this one probably.
Post by: Drasko on January 01, 2011, 04:17:37 AM
Lubimov playing late Beethoven sonatas, here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Alexiel-Lubimov/dp/B004E2WK6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1293869942&sr=8-1
I need another Op 111 like a hole in the head but this guy's interesting and I think he has done some of his best work recenlty (check the live Mozart PC24 on symohonyshare for example. Unbelievable ornamentation in the second movement.)
So I will pre order this one probably.
That looks interesting, might buy it myself.
Could you pass the links for Mozart? I'm not a member at sympohnyshare.
Post by: Brian on January 01, 2011, 04:37:39 AM
That looks interesting, might buy it myself.
Could you pass the links for Mozart? I'm not a member at sympohnyshare.
I'm a SymphonyShare member, but when I searched the name "Lubimov," no Mozart came up. However there are FLAC files of the Pathetique (http://rapidshare.com/files/427241091/Pathetique_Lubimov.zip), Moonlight (http://rapidshare.com/files/427240241/Moonlight_Lubimov.zip), and Waldstein (http://rapidshare.com/files/427241872/Waldstein_Lubimov.zip) sonatas, played by Lubimov on an 1806 Broadwood fortepiano. From an oop Erato disc.
Post by: Opus106 on January 01, 2011, 04:57:37 AM
I'm a SymphonyShare member, but when I searched the name "Lubimov," no Mozart came up.
No need to search, it's a very recent post and is on the first page itself. I don't mind posting the link, but I don't know if Mandryka minds my posting it here, so I'll leave it up to him. :)
Post by: Mandryka on January 01, 2011, 06:23:51 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?5m8bc8uo871bp
It's from a concert in Brussels last year with Concerto Koln (dir. Frank Agsteribbe)
Also from symphonyshare -- Lubimov in Beethoven PC3, (part of a live performance given May 2010 at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, London.) I put it on there last year when Vereena was asking about this concerto.
http://www.mediafire.com/?cc9s3kgxsqe1d
Enjoy -- both of them have given me a lot of fun :)
Post by: Drasko on January 02, 2011, 07:51:09 AM
Here's the PC 24Thanks! I love c-minor concerto, so any potentially interesting new reading is more than welcome.
http://www.mediafire.com/?5m8bc8uo871bp
It's from a concert in Brussels last year with Concerto Koln (dir. Frank Agsteribbe)
I'm a SymphonyShare member, but when I searched the name "Lubimov," no Mozart came up. However there are FLAC files of the Pathetique (http://rapidshare.com/files/427241091/Pathetique_Lubimov.zip), Moonlight (http://rapidshare.com/files/427240241/Moonlight_Lubimov.zip), and Waldstein (http://rapidshare.com/files/427241872/Waldstein_Lubimov.zip) sonatas, played by Lubimov on an 1806 Broadwood fortepiano. From an oop Erato disc.
Thanks for these as well!
Post by: Lethevich on January 18, 2011, 11:48:01 AM
This looks like it will be super good.
Also I posted this in the you're listening thread by accident - I wish I was :(
Post by: Henk on January 28, 2011, 03:46:39 PM
Post by: Brian on January 28, 2011, 03:52:18 PM
(https://secure.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/8570831-32.jpg)
I found that one "rather pretty" but not much more (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2010/Sept10/Bizet_piano_857083132.htm).
Post by: Brian on February 02, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
Post by: mc ukrneal on August 02, 2011, 02:48:16 AM
1. The Complete Solo music of Gottschalk (an excellent series)
2. Beethoven, Complete Piano Trios by the Florestan Trio
Post by: Que on August 03, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
at jpc (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Girolamo-Frescobaldi-1583-1643-Frescobaldi-Edition/hnum/4919975)
Just out in Europe. I believe that the recordings stem from the Italian Tactus label.
Performers: Roberto Loreggian (Cembalo & Orgel), Ensemble ConSerto Musico, La Stagione Armonica, Modo Antiquo, Bettina Hoffmann.
Q
Post by: kishnevi on August 04, 2011, 09:35:23 AM
Not being adept at exchange rates, I don't know if that's more expensive, less expensive, or about the same as jcp.
AmazonUS lists some of the original individual issues (not all of them), but does not yet mention the box.
Post by: Que on August 04, 2011, 11:25:50 AM
Not being adept at exchange rates, I don't know if that's more expensive, less expensive, or about the same as jcp.
jpc's 30 euros would amount to some 42 dollars, a lot less than Amazon.UK's 38 pounds = 62 dollars.
Q
Post by: Lethevich on August 04, 2011, 11:31:44 AM
Beethoven, Complete Piano Trios by the Florestan Trio
I found the piano to be rather overpowering in these - not that it wasn't sufficiently restrained to aid balance, but in it being held back still produced an uncomfortably wide sound. Strange, as Schubert with a piano sounds fine to me.
The Gottschalk box looks cool indeedie.
Post by: Brian on August 04, 2011, 11:37:13 PM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/dacapo8206002.jpg)
"Carl Nielsen: The Masterworks" from Dacapo
Featuring Thomas Dausgaard's recordings of the overtures and miscellaneous orchestral works (no concertos, but hey, this is "Volume 1"), plus Michael Schonwandt's complete symphony cycle on CD and on bonus DVD video. Victor Carr of ClassicsToday criticizes (http://classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=10605) the DVDs for poor camera decisions, but still finds the DVDs (which come with bonus documentary) "immensely valuable." And of course the original CDs are still a highly regarded cycle.
Post by: Papy Oli on August 06, 2011, 07:05:19 AM
Post by: Antoine Marchand on September 24, 2011, 05:22:01 AM
Both of them are top notch options and are currently available at NML.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on September 24, 2011, 05:28:18 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/4015023242517.jpg)
JPC (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Johannes-Passion-BWV-245/hnum/3000815)
Post by: Mirror Image on September 24, 2011, 06:01:10 AM
Release on 24th oct.
Major eye roll. Yeah, that's all we need another Beethoven set. ::) I wish Chailly would realize that his best repertoire is in Modern music. I respect conductors like Antoni Wit and Yan Pascal Tortelier more than I do Chailly these days.
Post by: DavidW on September 24, 2011, 06:54:53 AM
Major eye roll. Yeah, that's all we need another Beethoven set. ::) I wish Chailly would realize that his best repertoire is in Modern music. I respect conductors like Antoni Wit and Yan Pascal Tortelier more than I do Chailly these days.
Chailly's Bach and Mahler recordings are very well received. I don't think that he has a best repertoire he is a pretty versatile conductor. It's a shame that you don't respect him, he has conducted some of the finest orchestras in Europe imparting a personal stamp to all of the music he commits to record.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 24, 2011, 07:00:57 AM
Chailly's Bach and Mahler recordings are very well received. I don't think that he has a best repertoire he is a pretty versatile conductor. It's a shame that you don't respect him, he has conducted some of the finest orchestras in Europe imparting a personal stamp to all of the music he commits to record.
I do like his Mahler, and Bruckner actually, but he seems to have lost that adventurous spirit he had early on in his career. But it doesn't matter, there are a lot more conductors doing more worthwhile things than Chailly right now.
Post by: DavidW on September 24, 2011, 07:04:50 AM
I do like his Mahler, and Bruckner actually, but he seems to have lost that adventurous spirit he had early on in his career. But it doesn't matter, there are a lot more conductors doing more worthwhile things than Chailly right now.
It's a shame that you think that Beethoven is not worthwhile. Someday I hope that you come to appreciate his music, he is one of the greatest composers that ever lived.
Post by: Robert on September 24, 2011, 07:27:43 AM
It's a shame that you think that Beethoven is not worthwhile. Someday I hope that you come to appreciate his music, he is one of the greatest composers that ever lived.David
Speaking for myself, I love Beethoven, I just haven't listened to him in many years. My tastes have changed. If I would listen, it would probably be his quartets....I would rather listen to Shostakovich than Beethoven. Now maybe 15 years ago it might have been different.
Post by: DavidW on September 24, 2011, 07:35:32 AM
Post by: Robert on September 24, 2011, 08:14:22 AM
Someday Robert I bet Beethoven will sound fresh to you again and you'll be listening all over. I go through that kind of thing with various composers. Like Tchaikovsky, I was burned out on him but not anymore! :)
David your probably correct.. I agree with you. I can only speak for the present and the way my tastes have evolved. When I go into my music room looking for a particular cd or album I always notice the Beethoven. Just do not have the desire. I think you know how much I like the quartets by Tokyo S.Q. I think we discussed this years ago.
Robert
Post by: DavidW on September 24, 2011, 08:43:40 AM
David your probably correct.. I agree with you. I can only speak for the present and the way my tastes have evolved. When I go into my music room looking for a particular cd or album I always notice the Beethoven. Just do not have the desire. I think you know how much I like the quartets by Tokyo S.Q. I think we discussed this years ago.
Robert
I thought you were a newish poster! :-[ Did you have a different handle before?
Post by: Robert on September 24, 2011, 08:52:53 AM
I thought you were a newish poster! :-[ Did you have a different handle before?
NO....leave of absence.....(3 or 4 yrs)
Post by: Brian on September 24, 2011, 09:03:30 AM
It's a shame that you think that Beethoven is not worthwhile. Someday I hope that you come to appreciate his music, he is the greatest composer who ever lived.
fixed ;)
I think this is more than anything about MI not liking Beethoven. If toucan posted something saying -
"Major eye roll. Yeah, that's all we need another Shostakovich set. ::) I wish Rattle would realize that we have enough of those already. I respect conductors like Antoni Wit and Yan Pascal Tortelier more than I do Rattle these days."
- then MI would have been on that like me on Nutella.
To be fair, there have been a LOT of really, really good, even great, Beethoven cycles since 2000. The vividness, diversity, originality, and universally high quality of execution of the cycles by, e.g., Barenboim, Abbado, Haitink, P. Jarvi, Dausgaard, and Mackerras is an absolute joy for Beethoven collectors. Lots of duplication? Yes. Lots of reward? Yes. Hard to earn entry into such a comprehensively strong company? Also yes.
Post by: Jay F on September 24, 2011, 09:08:40 AM
Someday Robert I bet Beethoven will sound fresh to you again and you'll be listening all over. I go through that kind of thing with various composers. Like Tchaikovsky, I was burned out on him but not anymore! :)
I was burned out on Beethoven's symphonies for years, or so I thought. I tried listening to Bernstein's CBS and DG versions, to Bohm, to Abbado, to Walter, to the new Jarvi SACDs, and I didn't want to hear any of it more than once. Then I got inspired to listen to the 1970s HVK set again, and that's what did it for me. These are my imprint versions and, apparently, the only versions I want to listen to. Lately, I can't get enough of them, esp. 7, 5, and 9.
Was I burned out, or are these the only interpretations that make sense to my brain, my memory?
Post by: DavidW on September 24, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: DavidRoss on September 24, 2011, 11:28:45 AM
I think I want to listen to some Beethoven now!! 8)Yes. I think this is the time to unpack Ivan Fischer's LvB 4 & 6. I've feared either disappointment or yet another new enthusiasm, but sooner or later the time would be right for first hearing, and after reading a few comments to the effect that some are tired of Beethoven I'm all charged up to hear him. I never tire of Beethoven. True, I might "wear out" one or another of his works temporarily, but there is so much that is so great and rarely if ever fails to deliver that I never stay away for long.
Bach is like that for me, as well. And Mozart. Sibelius and Mahler. Prokofiev and Stravinsky and maybe Dvořák, too. Guess I'm just one of the lucky ones.
I still have many of Karajan's LvB symphony recordings, including a CD boxset of the early '60s cycle, but I haven't listened to any of them in years. Whenever I try, I seldom get very far without wondering why the hell I'm listening to this when I could be hearing any of a dozen or more recordings with far more vitality, and then hardly any more time passes before I put on Harnoncourt or Brüggen or Abbado's latest from Rome or Zinman or van Immerseel or even Karl Böhm!
fixed ;)You got that right, Brian...or Bronto, as the case may be!
Now for this:
(Sure, it's been out for nearly a year--but that's pretty darned recent to me! ;D )
Post by: Brian on September 24, 2011, 11:49:31 AM
Yes. I think this is the time to unpack Ivan Fischer's LvB 4 & 6. I've feared either disappointment or yet another new enthusiasm, but sooner or later the time would be right for first hearing, and after reading a few comments to the effect that some are tired of Beethoven I'm all charged up to hear him. I never tire of Beethoven. True, I might "wear out" one or another of his works temporarily, but there is so much that is so great and rarely if ever fails to deliver that I never stay away for long.
Bach is like that for me, as well. And Mozart. Sibelius and Mahler. Prokofiev and Stravinsky and maybe Dvořák, too. Guess I'm just one of the lucky ones.
That "never tiring" is true for me of Beethoven, Mozart, Dvořák, and perhaps Shostakovich, and my Sibelius listening is reliable in its come-and-go tide. I really hope I never tire of Beethoven; this year I've turned to the string quartets and have practically been living inside them; what a joy it's been.
Do report back on Fischer - that CD is on my wish list, though I'm a little perplexed by something he evidently does in the finale of the Sixth...
Post by: vandermolen on September 24, 2011, 12:44:29 PM
Post by: MishaK on September 24, 2011, 01:16:15 PM
(http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m465/Phil1_05/ConcertgebouwAnthology.jpg)
Yum! Me want! Track listing anywhere?
EDIT: answered my own question: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Anthology-of-the-Concertgebouw-Orchestra-Amsterdam-Vol-6/hnum/1155852
Highlights: Mahler 5 with Tennstedt, Shosty 1 with Solti. Verklärte Nacht with Boulez, Messiaen Trois petites liturguies with Dutoit.
Post by: MishaK on September 24, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
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This is not really a new release, but a re-release. It's been around forever.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 24, 2011, 06:30:08 PM
fixed ;)
I think this is more than anything about MI not liking Beethoven. If toucan posted something saying -
"Major eye roll. Yeah, that's all we need another Shostakovich set. ::) I wish Rattle would realize that we have enough of those already. I respect conductors like Antoni Wit and Yan Pascal Tortelier more than I do Rattle these days."
- then MI would have been on that like me on Nutella.
To be fair, there have been a LOT of really, really good, even great, Beethoven cycles since 2000. The vividness, diversity, originality, and universally high quality of execution of the cycles by, e.g., Barenboim, Abbado, Haitink, P. Jarvi, Dausgaard, and Mackerras is an absolute joy for Beethoven collectors. Lots of duplication? Yes. Lots of reward? Yes. Hard to earn entry into such a comprehensively strong company? Also yes.
I was never attracted to Beethoven's sound-world. If Toucan was to make that comment, I'd just let it go. Toucan has every right to dislike whomever he/she wants as do I. But I'm not here to bash Beethoven, just merely expressing how I don't like what Chailly has been doing with the Leipzig Gewandhaus and that I can think of other conductors who are doing more interesting, or interesting for me, music.
Post by: Toccata&Fugue on September 24, 2011, 06:58:27 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61RSw-90NCL._SS400_.jpg)
Post by: Mirror Image on September 24, 2011, 07:02:49 PM
This looks good:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61RSw-90NCL._SS400_.jpg)
I liked the Rihm violin/orchestra work, but found the rest of the recording disappointing. Currier's Time Machines, which sounded cool in the audio samples, ended up being a complete and utter failure. Nothing remotely memorable about it. I expected much better from Mutter, but I applaud her, as I always do, for taking risks like this recording.
Post by: petrarch on September 24, 2011, 07:39:13 PM
I liked the Rihm violin/orchestra work, but found the rest of the recording disappointing. Currier's Time Machines, which sounded cool in the audio samples, ended up being a complete and utter failure. Nothing remotely memorable about it.
Got this CD a week or two ago but only listened to Rihm's Lichtes Spiel and haven't gone through the rest yet. If you liked it, you'll probably like his Verwandlung IV.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 24, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Got this CD a week or two ago but only listened to Rihm's Lichtes Spiel and haven't gone through the rest yet. If you liked it, you'll probably like his Verwandlung IV.
Yeah, I liked the Rihm work a lot. I'll probably end up buying all of the Hanssler recordings at some point. 8) Thanks for the recommendation.
Post by: petrarch on September 24, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
Yeah, I liked the Rihm work a lot. I'll probably end up buying all of the Hanssler recordings at some point. 8) Thanks for the recommendation.
They are all good. But I find this latest stylistic move on Rihm's part less interesting than his earlier works.
Post by: The new erato on September 25, 2011, 12:10:16 AM
I was never attracted to Beethoven's sound-world. If Toucan was to make that comment, I'd just let it go. Toucan has every right to dislike whomever he/she wants as do I. But I'm not here to bash Beethoven, just merely expressing how I don't like what Chailly has been doing with the Leipzig Gewandhaus and that I can think of other conductors who are doing more interesting, or interesting for me, music.I do agree that there are lots of repertoire more deserving of recording than yet another Beethoven (or Schumann) cycle, and given Chaillys superb track record in 20th century repertoire, his recording schedule the last couple of years, given that, seems like so much waste of plastic. While I have most of his Zemlinsky, Varese, Stravinsky....his recent discs are a waste of time for me.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on September 25, 2011, 04:00:17 AM
Major eye roll. Yeah, that's all we need another Beethoven set. ::) I wish Chailly would realize that his best repertoire is in Modern music
I don't agree with that at all. His Bach is superb (and what better orchestra to record Bach than the Gewandhaus with its Bach tradition?). His Bruckner is superb. His Schumann is superb. His Brahms superb. His Mahler superb.
I do agree that there are lots of repertoire more deserving of recording than yet another Beethoven (or Schumann) cycle
Every major conductor has to do a Beethoven cycle. It's what major conductors do. I'm not going to fault Chailly for finally giving us his. And give him credit for doing it now, rather than when he was 30.
As someone who has a keen interest in both Schumann and Mahler, I really appreciate his unique Schumann cycle which gives us the Mahler orchestrations. His Mendelssohn too gives us something different, allowing us to hear the original, unrevised versions of key works and a piano concerto we've never heard before.
Sarge
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 05:42:41 AM
I don't agree with that at all. His Bach is superb (and what better orchestra to record Bach than the Gewandhaus with its Bach tradition?). His Bruckner is superb. His Schumann is superb. His Brahms superb. His Mahler superb.
Sarge
That's your opinion, Sarge and I respect it as such, but I don't agree with your assessment that all of these cycles are superb. His Brahms cycle was only average and terribly workaday. Nothing superb about it. The Schumann, which I've heard the first two symphonies, didn't do anything for me. I do like his Bruckner and Mahler though. His Bruckner especially. Great recordings of 4-8, but didn't care for his 9th, but it's hard to top Giulini/VPO in my opinion anyway.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 05:47:33 AM
I do agree that there are lots of repertoire more deserving of recording than yet another Beethoven (or Schumann) cycle, and given Chaillys superb track record in 20th century repertoire, his recording schedule the last couple of years, given that, seems like so much waste of plastic. While I have most of his Zemlinsky, Varese, Stravinsky....his recent discs are a waste of time for me.
Hell even Rattle is doing more interesting things than Chailly. :D Yeah, Chailly used to be somebody I was very excited about, and I do like his older recordings of the more Modern repertoire, but it just seems that he's falling into repertoire that's been done to death. I'd seriously like to hear him do some Schreker and more Berg. He does well in 20th Century Viennese music, so maybe some more Schoenberg and a complete survey of Webern would be in order? :D
Post by: Toccata&Fugue on September 25, 2011, 07:52:37 AM
I liked the Rihm violin/orchestra work, but found the rest of the recording disappointing. Currier's Time Machines, which sounded cool in the audio samples, ended up being a complete and utter failure. Nothing remotely memorable about it. I expected much better from Mutter, but I applaud her, as I always do, for taking risks like this recording.I just ordered it, so I'll judge for myself soon enough!
Post by: DavidRoss on September 25, 2011, 08:45:39 AM
Do report back on Fischer - that CD is on my wish list, though I'm a little perplexed by something he evidently does in the finale of the Sixth...I liked it, Brian, but wasn't wowed. Beautifully judged tempos (swifter than old school but hardly extreme) and smooth dynamic shifts with the seamless orchestral play we’ve come to expect from Fischer’s hand-picked partners in the BFO. Super big band Beethoven—listen to the storm section of the sixth to hear just how good this orchestra is and how well they play with both passion and precision.
Compared with my favorites, however, it’s a bit more like Gardiner than Brüggen, just a bit too well-mannered, without the raucous brashness I think best represents Beethoven’s in-your-face envelope-stretching. It reminds me of the Fischer/BFO Mahler second: damned near irreproachable in every respect, but lacking the edginess of the very best performances. Not that it’s so well groomed that it’s lifeless, just that it’s all safely contained.
So far as the solo violin at the start of the sixth’s last movement, it seemed perfectly appropriate and not at all out of place musically. In other words, it doesn’t call attention to itself. Were it not for the minor fuss some have made over these few bars I’m not sure I would have noticed anything “amiss.”
I look forward to other installments of this cycle in progress, which so far I like better than Vänskä's recent one.
Every major conductor has to do a Beethoven cycle. It's what major conductors do. I'm not going to fault Chailly for finally giving us his.Far from being "played out," LvB's symphonies remain a staggering achievement likely to prove timeless, still setting the standard against which all other symphonists are measured. In recent years we've seen at least a dozen new cycles informed by the HIPsters and post-modern values, with many receiving critical acclaim and appealing to a significant yet varied audience: Harnoncourt (20 years ago is recent for some of us ;) ), Gardiner, Zinman, Barenboim, Immerseel, Dausgaard, Abbado, Vänskä, Järvi, Haitink, the new Fischer underway, and doubtless others. Why shouldn't Chailly give us one, too? Who's to say he has nothing of interest to bring to the project?
Some might be interested in his comments about these works:
http://www.youtube.com/v/mnPIShWxWtU&feature=relmfu
Post by: Renfield on September 25, 2011, 01:29:27 PM
Hell even Rattle is doing more interesting things than Chailly. :D
Permit me a raised eyebrow, here.
Rattle may not be to everyone's taste, but saying that even he conducts interesting (i.e. non-warhorse) repertory is disingenuous.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 05:27:39 PM
Permit me a raised eyebrow, here.
Rattle may not be to everyone's taste, but saying that even he conducts interesting (i.e. non-warhorse) repertory is disingenuous.
I didn't say he was free of not conducting warhorses. I said he's been conducting more interesting music. Go look at some of Berlin Philharmonic's concert schedules or go visit their YouTube page and take a look at what they've been playing with Rattle at the helm.
Post by: kishnevi on September 25, 2011, 06:22:40 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
I think Chailly is pursuing a deliberate goal here, trying to burnish the stature of the Gewandhaus and draw on its tradition as a part of German music history. And given public taste and commercial reality (meaning what Decca will put into its catalogue), that means traditional choices in what to record and at best transient flings into contemporary, or even post WWII, composers. Right now he seems to be focusing on Bach; I would suspect that the next few projects will be drawn from Mendelssohn, Schubert, and Bruckner, perhaps Shostakovich. The only reason I don't include Mahler is the obvious fact that he's done a Mahler cycle already. But while he might program some modern works in his concerts, I doubt any would make it into Decca's catalogue.
All valid points, which, in turn, I think reflects poorly on Decca. I know, I know, they're trying to make money, but I'm so thankful for labels like Naxos, Ondine, BIS, Chandos, etc. that continue to record rare repertoire and want to put it out. I guess I'm just tired of the usual suspects in classical music, but I'm a 20th Century fan, so I may be a little biased. :D
Post by: kishnevi on September 25, 2011, 06:52:07 PM
All valid points, which, in turn, I think reflects poorly on Decca. I know, I know, they're trying to make money, but I'm so thankful for labels like Naxos, Ondine, BIS, Chandos, etc. that continue to record rare repertoire and want to put it out. I guess I'm just tired of the usual suspects in classical music, but I'm a 20th Century fan, so I may be a little biased. :D
Of course the devil's advocate side of me has already popped up with a counterargument--namely, that to make the Gewandhaus a truly world class orchestra (again), it is necessary to include recent modern/contemporary works, and that not doing so represents a failure on Chailly's part to persuade Decca to support such efforts. Heck, both Gilbert in NY and Dudamel in LA felt it appropriate or necessary to start off their new conducting positions with a brand new work (even if the composers are not very obscure).
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 07:07:54 PM
Of course the devil's advocate side of me has already popped up with a counterargument--namely, that to make the Gewandhaus a truly world class orchestra (again), it is necessary to include recent modern/contemporary works, and that not doing so represents a failure on Chailly's part to persuade Decca to support such efforts. Heck, both Gilbert in NY and Dudamel in LA felt it appropriate or necessary to start off their new conducting positions with a brand new work (even if the composers are not very obscure).
This is very true.
Post by: Bulldog on September 25, 2011, 07:09:14 PM
All valid points, which, in turn, I think reflects poorly on Decca. I know, I know, they're trying to make money, but I'm so thankful for labels like Naxos, Ondine, BIS, Chandos, etc. that continue to record rare repertoire and want to put it out. I guess I'm just tired of the usual suspects in classical music, but I'm a 20th Century fan, so I may be a little biased. :D
Although not rare, I don't think that Chailly conducting at least 3 Bach recordings is an ordinary or expected event. I feel it's fairly gutsy for him, at this stage of his life, to dig into Bach.
I don't know why some of our members seem to consider it obligatory for Chailly or any other conductor to record new and/or obscure works. My expectation is that he would record whatever he wants, subject to reasonable market realities.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
I don't know why some of our members seem to consider it obligatory for Chailly or any other conductor to record new and/or obscure works. My expectation is that he would record whatever he wants, subject to reasonable market realities.
He can perform, and record, whatever he wants, but my objection is merely that he is treading on an uninteresting path (i. e. Bach, Mendelssohn, Beethoven). Of course, I don't have to listen to music that does nothing for me and that is certainly my right, but it is also my right to criticize any conductor I want. None of them are hands off to me. Chailly hasn't done anything remotely noteworthy in years.
Post by: Renfield on September 25, 2011, 07:24:17 PM
I didn't say he was free of not conducting warhorses. I said he's been conducting more interesting music. Go look at some of Berlin Philharmonic's concert schedules or go visit their YouTube page and take a look at what they've been playing with Rattle at the helm.
No, you misunderstand me. :) What I was saying was that the way you said it made it seem as if Rattle rarely conducts 'interesting' music, and so if even he conducts more interesting repertory than Chailly... Which, as you yourself just said, isn't quite true.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 07:25:32 PM
No, you misunderstand me. :) What I was saying was that the way you said it made it seem as if Rattle rarely conducts 'interesting' music, and so if even he conducts more interesting repertory than Chailly... Which, as you yourself just said, isn't quite true.
Oh...whoops.... :P
Anyway, yes, Rattle has been doing much more interesting things than boring ol' Chailly.
Post by: kishnevi on September 25, 2011, 07:35:22 PM
Although not rare, I don't think that Chailly conducting at least 3 Bach recordings is an ordinary or expected event. I feel it's fairly gutsy for him, at this stage of his life, to dig into Bach.
I don't know why some of our members seem to consider it obligatory for Chailly or any other conductor to record new and/or obscure works. My expectation is that he would record whatever he wants, subject to reasonable market realities.
I'm fine with Chailly recording what he wants--but given his apparent goals with the Gewandhaus, I think ignoring modern works is a mistake. He certainly didn't ignore 20th century stuff earlier in his career. Of course, since I'm much less a fan of 20th century music, I'm more interested in hearing what he does with, f.i., Beethoven than MI is. I'm interested in the "mainstream" unlike MI--but I think if I was in charge of an orchestra trying to raise its profile and reputation, I'd consider some modern music to be a necessary part of the program. Not necessarily a large part, but something that would need to be included in at least some degree. But apparently his most substantial recent foray into the 20th century for Decca is music by an unusually obscure composer named George Gershwin.
BTW, the Bach series is now up to four, with apparently more on the way--Brandenburgs, SMP, Christmas Oratorio, and now the keyboard concertos (on modern piano). Given how HIP now rules the roost in Baroque era music, it is somewhat daring nowadays to a conductor to record Bach this extensively with a modern orchestra.
Post by: Bulldog on September 25, 2011, 07:39:27 PM
He can perform, and record, whatever he wants, but my objection is merely that he is treading on an uninteresting path (i. e. Bach, Mendelssohn, Beethoven). Of course, I don't have to listen to music that does nothing for me and that is certainly my right, but it is also my right to criticize any conductor I want. None of them are hands off to me. Chailly hasn't done anything remotely noteworthy in years.
Sounds like your criticism of Chailly has a lot to do with the music you are currently smitten with.
Post by: Renfield on September 25, 2011, 07:42:38 PM
And I'm certainly very intrigued by the Beethoven cycle, mainly due to my always being quite happy to have more Beethoven, Brahms, Mahler and Bruckner around for comparative listening. (Or I wouldn't collect such cycles in the dozens.)
So I don't know whether the cycle itself is a good or a bad thing: but since it's within my primary interests, I'll welcome the results.
Post by: Bulldog on September 25, 2011, 07:43:50 PM
BTW, the Bach series is now up to four, with apparently more on the way--Brandenburgs, SMP, Christmas Oratorio, and now the keyboard concertos (on modern piano). Given how HIP now rules the roost in Baroque era music, it is somewhat daring nowadays to a conductor to record Bach this extensively with a modern orchestra.
That's very true. There aren't many famous modern-instrument conductors who have recorded Bach in the past couple of decades, so my hat's off to Chailly for making the effort. From the many reviews I have read, it appears that he's been quite successful at it also.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
Sounds like your criticism of Chailly has a lot to do with the music you are currently smitten with.
No, my criticism of Chailly has to do with his lack of risk-taking by not performing Modern repertoire. As I said, he can conduct whatever he wants, but if his idea of ignoring what has gone on in classical for the past 100 years is somehow more fruitful and compelling than he's sadly mistaken. My problem is he's starting to get a bit too comfortable with the idea preserving tradition when most of his early career has been about going beyond tradition.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 08:02:44 PM
He/She doesn't listen TO music. He/She listens AT music.
::)
Right and you don't listen to music you judge it from a 0 to 5 scale. Really juvenile.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 08:06:26 PM
So you don't make artistic assessments about the music you listen AT?
How old are you again? Does your Mommy know you're on the computer little boy?
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 08:11:03 PM
My mother's dead. Thanks for the class.
It was joke...
Is this what you do when you're bored? By the way, I thought you were "ignoring me"? Good to see that I still irritate the living hell out of you. :D
Post by: springrite on September 25, 2011, 08:15:07 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
We are still technically "on topic" but we are giving a whole new definition of "new releases".
Getting back on topic...
I wish Chailly would record more Berg! Man, he would could get such a gorgeous sound from the Leipzig Gewandhaus.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 08:26:47 PM
To "legally" get back "on topic":
This is a disc that I'm pretty excited about:
John Corigliano is probably one of the least interesting Contemporary composers on the scene right now.
"What's that you're playing, Eddie?"
"Oh this is Corigliano's Mr. Tambourine Man."
"The Byrds's version is better."
"Yeah, that's true, why the hell am I listening to this garbage?"
"Beats me."
[Man takes CD out of player and smashes it with a bat.]
Post by: Mirror Image on September 25, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
In general, that may be true, but when it comes to Ursuala Oppens, I tend to side with her. She makes fairly bold pianistic choices, and I'm always interested to hear what she has to offer.
Good luck with that.
Post by: Renfield on September 25, 2011, 09:15:41 PM
Your tastes speak for themselves, without either of you having to declare anything further.
Post by: Renfield on September 25, 2011, 09:36:48 PM
It's almost as if no one has ever been part of an Internet forum.
It's almost as if one has been part of too many.
You can just live and let live.
Post by: (: premont :) on September 26, 2011, 01:27:40 AM
That's very true. There aren't many famous modern-instrument conductors who have recorded Bach in the past couple of decades, so my hat's off to Chailly for making the effort. From the many reviews I have read, it appears that he's been quite successful at it also.
I have not heard but his Brandenburgs. Well, they are good, but nothing special - bordering the superfluous, considering the enormous competition.
His Beethoven will probably be more relevant - even considering the competition.
Post by: Brahmsian on September 26, 2011, 04:56:48 AM
He can perform, and record, whatever he wants, but my objection is merely that he is treading on an uninteresting path (i. e. Bach, Mendelssohn, Beethoven).
John, I don't think this is a fair statement. I'm just being honest with you here.
I can understand and see that Bach, Mendelssohn and Beethoven are an uninteresting path for you and other listeners too, but that is certainly not the case for many other listeners of classical music.
Post by: DavidRoss on September 26, 2011, 05:02:49 AM
John, I don't think this is a fair statement. I'm just being honest with you here.The man who is tired of London is tired of life.
I can understand and see that Bach, Mendelssohn and Beethoven are an uninteresting path for you and other listeners too, but that is certainly not the case for many other listeners of classical music.
Novelty in and of itself is worth little or less.
Post by: Opus106 on September 26, 2011, 05:11:50 AM
I might argue that it displays more courage (risk-taking) to record a Beethoven symphony than something from the modern repertory. After all, the competition is so stiff in the territiry of Beethoven, one must have a firm idea of what they wish to accomplish and put it out there knowing that they will compared to the best of the last 50 years, and it is a risk that their effort will join the many also-rans.
Of course YMMV.
:)
Is that a risk taken by Chailly or Decca? I'm sure a lot of conductors would be willing to announce to the wider world what the feel about those symphonies, but eventually isn't it up to the label to decide whether it will be a risk worth taking?
Post by: Opus106 on September 26, 2011, 05:18:46 AM
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2011, 06:58:12 AM
John, I don't think this is a fair statement. I'm just being honest with you here.
I can understand and see that Bach, Mendelssohn and Beethoven are an uninteresting path for you and other listeners too, but that is certainly not the case for many other listeners of classical music.
Ray, it's no problem that you disagree with me. We have to disagree on something once in awhile, right? ;) But seriously, as I followed Chailly's career, I've noticed he's not performing much Modern repertoire with the Leipzig like he has with the RCO. I understand the tradition of the Leipzig, but with somebody like Chailly I was expecting more variety in his recordings.
Post by: Brian on September 26, 2011, 07:27:47 AM
I've noticed he's not performing much Modern repertoire with the Leipzig like he has with the RCO. I understand the tradition of the Leipzig, but with somebody like Chailly I was expected more variety in his recordings.
Opus106's link discusses this - the Leipzig orchestra's reputation as the sort of guiding spirit of German romanticism, from the premieres of three Schumann symphonies and the directorship of Mendelssohn to the present. His contract in Leipzig runs through 2015...
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 26, 2011, 07:33:40 AM
Daniel
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2011, 08:31:19 AM
I'll looking forward to this one as well, Daniel. Should be good.
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 26, 2011, 08:35:47 AM
I'll looking forward to this one as well, Daniel. Should be good.
Yes, certainly! I have been looking forward to this for a very long time after really admiring the excellence of Petrenko's other Shostakovich recordings, his recording of no.10 remains my favourite! :)
Daniel
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2011, 08:44:20 AM
Yes, certainly! I have been looking forward to this for a very long time after really admiring the excellence of Petrenko's other Shostakovich recordings, his recording of no.10 remains my favourite! :)
Daniel
His performance of Symphony No. 10 is excellent. Our fellow GMGer, Brian, did a side-by-side comparison of various performances of the 10th and I think he said Petrenko's was the best he had heard.
Post by: DavidW on September 26, 2011, 08:47:06 AM
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
I noticed that the mp3 download is already out. I'll have to buy it just to say firsties! :D Nah seriously isn't this conductor awesome? I need grab up all of his Shosty, Rach and Tchaikovsky.
Petrenko is a very gifted conductor. All of the recordings I've heard so far have been uniformly excellent. His Rachmaninov was really something else. Man, he did he a great job.
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 26, 2011, 09:37:43 AM
I noticed that the mp3 download is already out. I'll have to buy it just to say firsties! :D Nah seriously isn't this conductor awesome? I need grab up all of his Shosty, Rach and Tchaikovsky.
He certainly is!!! And he really is bringing out the best from the RLPO, what thrilling performances they give together! I still have some of his Rachmaninov to grab! I really hope he records some Prokofiev some day, it seems like an obvious move after Shostakovich but I am sure it would be so excellent! :)
Daniel
Post by: Lisztianwagner on September 26, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
I noticed that the mp3 download is already out. I'll have to buy it just to say firsties! :D Nah seriously isn't this conductor awesome? I need grab up all of his Shosty, Rach and Tchaikovsky.
I personally prefer Ashkenazy in Rach's music, but I admit Petrenko is really outstanding in Shostakovich, superb!! :D
Ilaria
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 26, 2011, 10:10:38 AM
I personally prefer Ashkenazy in Rach's music, but I admit Petrenko is really outstanding in Shostakovich, superb!! :D
Ilaria
Yes, I would probably agree that Ashkenazy is the absolute best for Rach! Such great performances both as pianist and conductor!
Daniel
Post by: The new erato on September 26, 2011, 10:22:40 AM
John, I don't think this is a fair statement. I'm just being honest with you here.You mentioned two of my three favorite composers there, yet I still think that any new Beethoven cycle brings a more than 99% chance of saying nothing more than already has been well documented countless times......and I can easily think of other music more in need of the attention.
I can understand and see that Bach, Mendelssohn and Beethoven are an uninteresting path for you and other listeners too, but that is certainly not the case for many other listeners of classical music.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 26, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
I personally prefer Ashkenazy in Rach's music, but I admit Petrenko is really outstanding in Shostakovich, superb!! :D
Ilaria
Well Ashkenazy performing/conducting Rachmaninov is like the gold standard which all others are measured against. You can't listen to Rachmaninov without having at least heard one of Ashkenazy's recordings.
Post by: Renfield on September 26, 2011, 12:47:03 PM
(What I've heard at least - the Manfred and IIRC the Shostakovich 5th & 9th.)
It may be my inherent skepticism speaking, but I just don't expect a guy like Petrenko to suddenly knock the Mravinskys, Kondrashins, Svetlanovs and Rhozdestvensky's of this world out of the ring, for this kind of music. And I've heard nothing to suggest otherwise :(
Which brings me to something else... Ashkenazy in Rachmaninov? Yeah, I guess. But really guys, no Svetlanov? No Pletnev? :o
Post by: Brian on September 26, 2011, 01:00:13 PM
(What I've heard at least - the Manfred and IIRC the Shostakovich 5th & 9th.)
The Shostakovich 5th is the only time I've been actively disappointed by him and his band. Try the Avie CD of Rach's Symphonic Dances and the Shosty 8 or 10. :) During a month-long comparathon listening session in 2010 I did, as MI says, rank Petrenko's Shosty 10 alongside Jansons and Sanderling as my top picks and ahead of (in no order) Kitajenko, Barshai, Karajan ("Gold"), Skrowaczewski, Haitink, and Wigglesworth.
Oh yeah, and: Svetlanov!!!!! Also Rozh/LSO for Rach 2, what a great one that is. :)
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 27, 2011, 07:17:56 AM
Am I the only one who's not enthused by Vasily Petrenko, then? I mean, I like his work, but it doesn't exactly bowl me over.
(What I've heard at least - the Manfred and IIRC the Shostakovich 5th & 9th.)
It may be my inherent skepticism speaking, but I just don't expect a guy like Petrenko to suddenly knock the Mravinskys, Kondrashins, Svetlanovs and Rhozdestvensky's of this world out of the ring, for this kind of music. And I've heard nothing to suggest otherwise :(
Which brings me to something else... Ashkenazy in Rachmaninov? Yeah, I guess. But really guys, no Svetlanov? No Pletnev? :o
Yes, I don't think his recording of Shostakovich 5 is one of his best... it is still excellent though. You really need to listen to his recordings of Shostakovich 1 and 10.
Svetlanov and Pletnev are amazing in Rachmaninov as well. Ashkenazy is my favourite for this composer though!
Daniel
Post by: Renfield on September 27, 2011, 08:07:07 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 27, 2011, 08:30:16 AM
Oh, fine! I'll get that 10th. If I'm not impressed, you two owe me five quid. >:D
:)
If you are impressed, you owe us five quid for persuading you to buy it! ;)
Trust me, you will be very impressed! :)
Daniel
Post by: Renfield on September 27, 2011, 09:21:55 AM
:)
If you are impressed, you owe us five quid for persuading you to buy it! ;)
Trust me, you will be very impressed! :)
Daniel
Sadly, I already 'donated' that five quid in order to facilitate the purchase. ;)
But I am nonetheless looking forward to hearing this.
Post by: Brian on September 27, 2011, 09:24:11 AM
Oh, fine! I'll get that 10th. If I'm not impressed, you two owe me five quid. >:D
Two and a half each, actually. ;)
Post by: Brian on September 27, 2011, 10:22:06 AM
Two and a half each, actually. ;)
I've just listened again, and I'd say the salient qualities which make this recording one of my top three choices are (1) the superior sound quality, the clearest DSCH 10 I have; (2) the violin portamentos in mvt. ii; (3) the rather spastic, paranoid clarinet playing at the beginning of mvt. iii; and (4) the amazing clarity of the final coda, especially that savagely celebratory DSCH timpani, the signatory pitches ringing brilliantly clear.
:)
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 27, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
I've just listened again, and I'd say the salient qualities which make this recording one of my top three choices are (1) the superior sound quality, the clearest DSCH 10 I have; (2) the violin portamentos in mvt. ii; (3) the rather spastic, paranoid clarinet playing at the beginning of mvt. iii; and (4) the amazing clarity of the final coda, especially that savagely celebratory DSCH timpani, the signatory pitches ringing brilliantly clear.
:)
:)
I completely agree with these comments. I also think that this is the most thrilling performance available, what exciting climaxes!
Post by: Renfield on September 27, 2011, 12:31:12 PM
And what tempts me even more about doing it is that I have never conducted a proper inventory of my Shostakovich 10ths. I know I've got around 15-20 versions lying around, each of which I've listened to over the years (and have clear favourites among)...
But that's it. :P
So maybe it'll be quite instructive to go on a Shostakovich 10 binge, at some point in the near future.
Edit: Obviously, I can just look them up on iTunes and have the inventory ready (sans the Rostropovich one, that got left behind after a move). What I mean is a mental inventory, a recount, a refreshment of my memory. That sort of thing.
Post by: Brian on October 04, 2011, 03:20:46 PM
Fantaisie in F minor
Ballades Nos 3 and 4
Several mazurkas and nocturnes
"À la minute" by Yevgeny Sudbin, virtuoso pastiche on the "Minute Waltz"
The recital is overwhelmingly dark - there are only three works in major keys - and although there is a tendency to rush at times I found this excellent, spontaneous, deeply felt but not overwrought Chopin playing. The witty encore makes up for much of the darkness.
CD release this month from BIS.
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November on Naxos
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Three major artists make their Naxos debuts: Jean-Yves Thibaudet in Debussy's 'Fantaisie,' Paul Meyer in the 'Premiere rapsodie,' and Aldo Ciccolini in the piano quintet of his early teacher, Achille Longo.
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The Warsaw Philharmonic and Antoni Wit join choral forces for the Glagolitic Mass and throw in Janacek's Sinfonietta as well. CD and Blu-Ray release.
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The complete Schubert lieder on 38 CDs. There is a German box set and a box in both English and German.
Also out: Hans Graf's Das Lied von der Erde (http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.572498) with the Houston Symphony and Stenhammar's Piano Concertos (http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.572259).
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 05, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
My favourite piece ever (along with Mahler 9), one of my favourite living conductors, and one of my favourite orchestras! :)
Definitely added to the basket!
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 05, 2011, 09:45:11 AM
Was extremely excited to see this new recording planned for release this month!
Wow, did Salonen record Mahler No.6? Absolutely amazing!! I'm looking forward to listening to it!! :D
Ilaria
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 05, 2011, 11:04:52 AM
Wow, did Salonen record Mahler No.6? Absolutely amazing!! I'm looking forward to listening to it!! :D
Ilaria
It appears so! I only found out today and was instantly very excited!
He has also made a recent recording of no.9 which I am still yet to hear, I will have to purchase that soon! :)
Hope you are well Ilaria! :)
Post by: Holden on October 05, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
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Recorded a few months after his Chopin comp win and when he was only 18 years old. Apparently it is totally different from the recording he made of the same works for DG.
CHOPIN Etudes Opp. 10 & 25
Maurizio Pollini
This outstanding recording of the complete Chopin Études by Maurizio Pollini is being published for the first time by Testament.
It was made by EMI at Abbey Road a few months after Pollini had won the Chopin Competition in Warsaw. Pollini had already recorded for EMI the Chopin Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor with the Phiharmonia Orchestra conducted by Paul Kletzki, a recording universally acclaimed as a classic.
Peter Andry, who produced the recording of the Études, later recalled Pollini’s play-through of the first set as a spine-tingling experience: “This was pianism of the very finest kind” he said. “Rarely had I heard such perfection. He seemed to play these demanding works effortlessly. I remember the occasion even now as one of my greatest musical experiences.”
The recording reproduces with striking immediacy and clarity a performance that captures the 18-year-old pianist’s sensitive and sympathetic emotional response to these works. It is very different to the large-scale and grandiose DG recording made a decade or so later by Pollini as a more mature artist in a venue with a more reverberant acoustic.
Critics and pianists who have already heard this recording by the young Pollini have all been astonished by its musicality and spontaneity, qualitities that go right to the heart of Chopin’s genius in writing these challenging but musically inspired compositions. It is a unique addition to Pollini’s extensive recorded catalogue and shows this great artist at the very beginning of his professional career as a musician of the highest calibre.
Testament SBT1473
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 05, 2011, 12:52:10 PM
It appears so! I only found out today and was instantly very excited!
He has also made a recent recording of no.9 which I am still yet to hear, I will have to purchase that soon! :)
Hope you are well Ilaria! :)
Of course, I can imagine; I listened to the Mahler No.9 you mentioned, it's really gorgeous, a magnificent recording! Glad to hear you want to purchase it, the Salonen is certainly worth listening :)
I'm looking forward to finding No.6 by Salonen as well!
I'm quite fine, thanks Daniel; hope you're well too! ;)
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 06, 2011, 10:22:14 AM
Of course, I can imagine; I listened to the Mahler No.9 you mentioned, it's really gorgeous, a magnificent recording! Glad to hear you want to purchase it, the Salonen is certainly worth listening :)
I'm looking forward to finding No.6 by Salonen as well!
I'm quite fine, thanks Daniel; hope you're well too! ;)
Ah, well with your recommmendation, I shall definitely purchase the Salonen Mahler 9. :) I might start begging my father to take me to see Salonen conduct Mahler 2 live with the Philharmonia next year! ;) That would be so amazing!
So, does the Salonen compare with the classic Karajan recording? ;)
Glad to hear you are well Ilaria! I feel wonderful at the moment, Mhairi has improved my life a lot!
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 06, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
Ah, well with your recommmendation, I shall definitely purchase the Salonen Mahler 9. :) I might start begging my father to take me to see Salonen conduct Mahler 2 live with the Philharmonia next year! ;) That would be so amazing!
So, does the Salonen compare with the classic Karajan recording? ;)
Glad to hear you are well Ilaria! I feel wonderful at the moment, Mhairi has improved my life a lot!
Excellent choice, his Mahler No.9 is certainly beautiful :) Wow, that's absolutely great!! Of course it would be amazing to see Salonen conducting Mahler No.2, I'm so jealous!!
I'm going to see a Salonen's concert next year too, the program includes Bartok's The Miraculous Mandarin op. 19 suite, Debussy's Prélude à l’après-midi d’un faune and Scriabin's Le poème de l’extase op. 54.
Hahaha, yes, why not, the Salonen could certainly compare with the Karajan ;)
I'm pleased to hear you're so fine, I wish both you and Mhairi all the best :)
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 07, 2011, 09:22:11 AM
Excellent choice, his Mahler No.9 is certainly beautiful :) Wow, that's absolutely great!! Of course it would be amazing to see Salonen conducting Mahler No.2, I'm so jealous!!
I'm going to see a Salonen's concert next year too, the program includes Bartok's The Miraculous Mandarin op. 19 suite, Debussy's Prélude à l’après-midi d’un faune and Scriabin's Le poème de l’extase op. 54.
Hahaha, yes, why not, the Salonen could certainly compare with the Karajan ;)
I'm pleased to hear you're so fine, I wish both you and Mhairi all the best :)
Great! :) I am also thinking of buying the recording Jonathan Nott made, do you know this one?
That Salonen concert sounds amazing! Which orchestra?
Wow, it certainly must be very good!
Thank you Ilaria! :)
Post by: Que on October 07, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
CD Description
These albums were recorded in 1976 and 1992 (the latter right after the tremendous success of the movie Tous les Matins du Monde). Nevertheless*, they are astonishingly consistent in their interpretative flair and enable us to discover 10 of the 67 'Concerts' composed by Mr. de Sainte Colombe. Each `Concert´ consists in an average of 4 pieces and last around 10 minutes. The most famous is the Concert Le Tombeau des Regrets and especially Les Pleurs (The Tears), a masterpiece of emotion in which every note is essential. Jordi Savall plays alongside with Wieland Kuijken, another great name of Baroque music and viola.
* ??? Something artistically disqualifying about that? ::) Anyway, we now know these recordings were originally issued on Astrée (Naïve).
Q
Post by: Antoine Marchand on October 08, 2011, 12:16:06 AM
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CD Description
These albums were recorded in 1976 and 1992 (the latter right after the tremendous success of the movie Tous les Matins du Monde). Nevertheless*, they are astonishingly consistent in their interpretative flair and enable us to discover 10 of the 67 'Concerts' composed by Mr. de Sainte Colombe. Each `Concert´ consists in an average of 4 pieces and last around 10 minutes. The most famous is the Concert Le Tombeau des Regrets and especially Les Pleurs (The Tears), a masterpiece of emotion in which every note is essential. Jordi Savall plays alongside with Wieland Kuijken, another great name of Baroque music and viola.
* ??? Something artistically disqualifying about that? ::) Anyway, we now know these recordings were originally issued on Astrée (Naïve).
Q
It's excellent to see these two formidable discs re-released. The first volume has been hard to find for a long time and usually Savall's label does great remasterings. BTW, the label ATMA offers the complete collection of works for two violas performed by the duo the Voix Humaines which has frequently played with Wieland Kuijken too.
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 08, 2011, 01:26:18 AM
Great! :) I am also thinking of buying the recording Jonathan Nott made, do you know this one?
That Salonen concert sounds amazing! Which orchestra?
I'm afraid I've never heard about a Nott's recording for Mahler; tell me what it is like when you buy it, I'm rather curious :)
The orchestra is the Filarmonica della Scala.
Post by: petrarch on October 08, 2011, 02:57:34 AM
It's excellent to see these two formidable discs re-released. The first volume has been hard to find for a long time and usually Savall's label does great remasterings.
Glad this is finally out. I do have the original two volumes, but will be getting this one precisely for the outstanding Alia Vox remasterings, for the extensive notes, and for the SACD sound.
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 08, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
I'm afraid I've never heard about a Nott's recording for Mahler; tell me what it is like when you buy it, I'm rather curious :)
The orchestra is the Filarmonica della Scala.
Ok, no problem! :) It appears to be highly recommended in whichever review I look at, so it must be good!
Excellent! Enjoy! :)
Post by: Antoine Marchand on October 10, 2011, 04:39:44 AM
JS Bach: Trauer-Music. Music to Mourn Prince Leopold
I. Burial Service - At the Arrival of the Coffin
1-5. Laß, Leopold, Dich nicht begraben / Wird auch gleich nach tausend Zähren / Und, Herr, das ist die Specerey / Geh, Leopold, zu Deiner Ruh
II. Memorial Service - Following the Arrival of the Principal Mourners
6-12. Klagt, Kinder / O Land! Bestürtztes Land! / Weh und Ach / Wie, wenn der Blitze Grausamkeit / Zage nur, du treues Land / Ach ja! Dein Scheiden geht uns nah / Komm wieder, Theurer Fürsten-Geist
III. Following the Sermon
13-19. Wie haben einen Gott, der da hilfft / Betrübter Anblick, voll Erschrecken / Erhalte mich Gott / Jedoch der schwache Mensche zittert nur / Mit Freuden sey die Welt verlassen / Wohl also Dir, Du aller Fürsten Zier / Wie haben einen Gott, der da hilfft
IV. Following the Curriculum Vitæ and the Prayers
20-24. Bleibet nun in eurer Ruh / Und Du betrübtes Fürsten-Hauß / Hemme Dein gequältes Kräncken / Nun scheiden wir, Hochseelger Leopold, von Dir / Die Augen sehn nach Deiner Leiche
Emily Van Evera (soprano), Clare Wilkinson (mezzo), Charles Daniels (tenor) & Tom Meglioranza (baritone)
Taverner Consort and Players, Andrew Parrott
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Bach, Trauer Music – Parrott / Tavener Consort & Players (Avie)
Reviewed by Anna Picard
Sunday, 9 October 2011
If the title provokes a double-take, the content will provoke many more.
This is not the Trauer Ode but a reconstruction of the lost Trauer Music that was prepared for the Burial and Memorial Services of Prince Leopold in 1728. Using Picander's surviving libretto, Andrew Parrott has identified sympathetic material from the St Matthew Passion and the Trauer Ode to form four cantatas of mourning. The blend of familiar music and unfamiliar poetry is fascinating.
--The Independent
Post by: Opus106 on October 10, 2011, 06:39:02 AM
Post by: Antoine Marchand on October 10, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Re: Trauer Music, why would the title provoke a double-take? ???
Probably she was expecting -as usual- to find the Trauer Ode or the Actus Tragicus and not a reconstruction by Parrott. :)
Post by: jlaurson on October 11, 2011, 08:22:49 AM
SUPRAPHON BG 4051
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Beethoven
Symphonies 1-9
Paul Kletzki, Czech Philharmonic Orchestra (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004NWHVSA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=goodmusicguide-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B004NWHVSA)
Post by: Opus106 on October 11, 2011, 08:34:23 AM
Supraphon is re-issuing the Paul Kletzki / Czech Philharmonic Orchestra Beethoven Symphony Set...
SUPRAPHON BG 4051
It's been out for months!
Post by: Brian on October 11, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on October 11, 2011, 08:42:15 PM
Update: Artists making their Naxos debuts in November: Jean-Yves Thibaudet (Debussy), Paul Meyer (Debussy), Aldo Ciccolini (Achille Longo), Eliahu Inbal (Thierry Lancino).
Naxos just keeps bigger and bigger...
Post by: Antoine Marchand on October 15, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
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Post by: Daverz on October 15, 2011, 10:31:44 PM
It's been out for months!
Hey, for some of us new means "this millennium".
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JilpBRrTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Interestingly, this is Naxos's second recording of the Weinberg. The first was with Ilya Grubert
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uRsO5dX%2BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Did their A&R man get confused by the Weinberg/Vainberg thing?
A nice development is the return of United Archives.
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/NUA02.jpg)
(From MDT). I think I'll grab this before it disappears again.
Post by: The new erato on October 16, 2011, 12:48:49 AM
Naxos just keeps bigger and bigger...I think it's the other way round; the majors cannot sustain their business model and are getting smaller and smaller.
Post by: Brian on October 17, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
Interestingly, this is Naxos's second recording of the Weinberg. The first was with Ilya Grubert
Actually the new Naxos CD is a world premiere recording of the 20-minute-long Concertino.
Post by: Mirror Image on October 20, 2011, 08:33:31 PM
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 21, 2011, 06:22:55 AM
Was extremely excited to see this new recording planned for release this month!
My favourite piece ever (along with Mahler 9), one of my favourite living conductors, and one of my favourite orchestras! :)
Definitely added to the basket!
Not only do I have this Salonen Mahler 6 release to look forward to, but now also this new one from Antonio Pappano!
Very excited! :)
Post by: jlaurson on October 21, 2011, 06:48:57 AM
Was extremely excited to see this new recording planned for release this month!
My favourite piece ever (along with Mahler 9), one of my favourite living conductors, and one of my favourite orchestras! :)
Definitely added to the basket!
A bit ho-humm, very notably live... and altogether a slight disappointment. (Partly because of high hopes. Then again, it's a grittier account than I 'feared' Salonen would deliver... so that's good.
And it's S-A, which is the 'proper' order of the inner movements. :-)
Shall give it another spin tonight, but would be surprised if this cracks into my Top 10 Mahler 6ths.
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 21, 2011, 07:55:48 AM
A bit ho-humm, very notably live... and altogether a slight disappointment. (Partly because of high hopes. Then again, it's a grittier account than I 'feared' Salonen would deliver... so that's good.
And it's S-A, which is the 'proper' order of the inner movements. :-)
Shall give it another spin tonight, but would be surprised if this cracks into my Top 10 Mahler 6ths.
Oh dear, disapointed to hear this! Thank you for your opinion/warning! Yes, S-A is definitely the correct ordering of movements! :)
So which are your top 10 Mahler 6ths? My favourites are Solti, Bernstein (DG), Abbado etc...
Post by: jlaurson on October 21, 2011, 08:02:53 AM
Oh dear, disapointed to hear this! Thank you for your opinion/warning! Yes, S-A is definitely the correct ordering of movements! :)
So which are your top 10 Mahler 6ths? My favourites are Solti, Bernstein (DG), Abbado etc...
Without revising much (or filtering out obscure ones, like the Duisburg performance):
"Rough"
Benjamin Zander, Philharmonia Orchestra, Telarc
Pierre Boulez, Wiener Philharmoniker, DG
Jonathan Darlington, Duisburger Philharmoinker, Acousence
John Barbirolli, New Philharmonia Orchestra, EMI
Mitropoulos, WDRSO, Greatest Conductors of the 20th Century / Urania
Michael Gielen, SWRSO, Hänssler
Christoph Eschenbach, Philadelphia Orchestra, Ondine
“Beauty”
Iván Fischer, Budapest Festival Orchestra, Channel Classics
Herbert von Karajan, Berliner Philharmoniker, DG
Simon Rattle, City of Birmingham Orchestra, EMI
Rafael Kubelik, BRSO, Audite
-
I shouldn't forget Solti, of all people, to whose Sixth Sarge has opened my ears and gotten me beyond my admitted anti-Solti bias in Mahler.
I'm a little surprised to find Rattle in this list, but I was sober when I compiled it and deeply immersed, so it must be true. :-)
http://www.weta.org/oldfmblog/?p=1307 (http://www.weta.org/oldfmblog/?p=1307)
Post by: karlhenning on October 21, 2011, 08:04:45 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 21, 2011, 08:19:45 AM
Without revising much (or filtering out obscure ones, like the Duisburg performance):
"Rough"
Benjamin Zander, Philharmonia Orchestra, Telarc
Pierre Boulez, Wiener Philharmoniker, DG
Jonathan Darlington, Duisburger Philharmoinker, Acousence
John Barbirolli, New Philharmonia Orchestra, EMI
Mitropoulos, WDRSO, Greatest Conductors of the 20th Century / Urania
Michael Gielen, SWRSO, Hänssler
Christoph Eschenbach, Philadelphia Orchestra, Ondine
“Beauty”
Iván Fischer, Budapest Festival Orchestra, Channel Classics
Herbert von Karajan, Berliner Philharmoniker, DG
Simon Rattle, City of Birmingham Orchestra, EMI
Rafael Kubelik, BRSO, Audite
-
I shouldn't forget Solti, of all people, to whose Sixth Sarge has opened my ears and gotten me beyond my admitted anti-Solti bias in Mahler.
I'm a little surprised to find Rattle in this list, but I was sober when I compiled it and deeply immersed, so it must be true. :-)
http://www.weta.org/oldfmblog/?p=1307 (http://www.weta.org/oldfmblog/?p=1307)
Great choices - all the ones in the "beauty" choices would be in mine as well, plus the Barbirolli. No Bernstein for you?!
Post by: jlaurson on October 25, 2011, 06:42:42 AM
Furtwangler Collection on Vinyl!
http://www.audite.de/en/news/251-vinyl_production_wilhelm_furtwaengler.html (http://www.audite.de/en/news/251-vinyl_production_wilhelm_furtwaengler.html)
Quote
With the great demand for the LP version of our internationally successful Furtwängler 12 CD boxed set (aud. 21.403), audite now presents a selection of recordings in LP format for audiophile vinyl enthusiasts. Containing compositions by Beethoven, Bruckner, Schubert, Brahms and Wagner, the LP boxed set (comprising 14 LPs on 180g vinyl) presents principal works of the CD boxed set.
These RIAS recordings are documents of historical value: The majority of the concerts given by Wilhelm Furtwängler and the Berlin Philharmonic between 1947 and 1954 were recorded by the RIAS Berlin. The original tapes from the RIAS archives have been made available for the first time for this edition so these recordings also offer unsurpassed technical quality. The recordings document a major part of Furtwängler’s late oeuvre as a conductor.
Release date in Germany is November 18.
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 27, 2011, 05:09:44 AM
Post by: Lethevich on October 27, 2011, 05:51:48 AM
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 27, 2011, 11:33:04 AM
Two nice looking Chandos releases ;)
The Svendsen looks beautiful, his orchestral works are really stunning; I might purchase it too :)
One of the images is not visible, what is it?
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 27, 2011, 12:33:56 PM
The Svendsen looks beautiful, his orchestral works are really stunning; I might purchase it too :)
One of the images is not visible, what is it?
Yes, I love many of Svendsen's orchestral works as well! :)
Sigh, this image posting system on GMG really needs to be sorted! >:( It is the new recording from Noseda and the BBC Philharmonic of Rachmaninov's Choral Symphony etc. :)
Have a nice evening Ilaria!
Post by: mc ukrneal on October 27, 2011, 01:08:54 PM
Yes, I love many of Svendsen's orchestral works as well! :)This one?
Sigh, this image posting system on GMG really needs to be sorted! >:( It is the new recording from Noseda and the BBC Philharmonic of Rachmaninov's Choral Symphony etc. :)
Have a nice evening Ilaria!
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 27, 2011, 01:18:13 PM
This one?
Yes, that's it! :) Thank you for reposting!
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 27, 2011, 01:39:08 PM
Yes, I love many of Svendsen's orchestral works as well! :)
Sigh, this image posting system on GMG really needs to be sorted! >:( It is the new recording from Noseda and the BBC Philharmonic of Rachmaninov's Choral Symphony etc. :)
Have a nice evening Ilaria!
Yes, it's rather annoying that many images can't be visible :( Hmmm, I took a look at the pieces included, that recording seems to be excellent, I hope you'll enjoy it :)
Have a nice evening as well Daniel!
Post by: Opus106 on October 27, 2011, 10:35:59 PM
Sigh, this image posting system on GMG really needs to be sorted! >:(
Yes, it's rather annoying that many images can't be visible :(
Don't use the MP3's ASIN -- it doesn't work; instead, use the physical CD's ID.
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 28, 2011, 04:29:04 AM
Don't use the MP3's ASIN -- it doesn't work; instead, use the physical CD's ID.
Ok, thank you for that information. Couldn't find the ASIN for the physical cd as only the MP3 is available on amazon at the moment I believe... Will bear that in mind for the future though, thank you!
Post by: Antoine Marchand on November 20, 2011, 07:12:20 AM
Post by: Antoine Marchand on November 20, 2011, 07:17:06 AM
Post by: The new erato on November 20, 2011, 08:48:08 AM
Ok, thank you for that information. Couldn't find the ASIN for the physical cd as only the MP3 is available on amazon at the moment I believe...In which case use the image URL and the image tag!
Post by: Brian on November 20, 2011, 09:46:04 AM
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That's an exciting release, though the playing time might be pretty skimpy.
Post by: jlaurson on November 20, 2011, 01:12:44 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VFTBy9KHoBQ/TsZXoCf6jUI/AAAAAAAABu4/33McozDn2NY/s1600/matsuev_pletnev_liszt.png)
F. Liszt,
Piano Concertos & Totentanz
Denis Matsuev / RNO / Pletnev
RCA
Excited more because of Pletnev than Matsuev... but "excited" and Liszt-release in one sentence is an achievement any-which way it comes.
Post by: kishnevi on November 20, 2011, 07:55:45 PM
That's an exciting release, though the playing time might be pretty skimpy.
93 minutes 42 seconds, to be precise. I have three other recordings (Pinnock, Marriner, and Linde) and all run several minutes shorter; the Linde in fact fits on a single CD. I didn't check the timings in the Hanssler Bach box.
I am listening to it now btw: good quality and quite recommendable for someone looking for a PI performance, though I'm not in a position to say if someone with several recordings of the Overtures needs to run out and get a copy.
Arkivmusic, btw, has it on sale at the moment for $17.99 US, as part of their sale on Harmonia Mundi, although I got mine from Prestoclassical while they had HM on sale.
Post by: jlaurson on November 21, 2011, 02:08:21 AM
That's an exciting release, though the playing time might be pretty skimpy.
What does that even mean, in an age where the arbitrary CD "length" is evaporating and the importance of the physical medium waning?
Would you be happy if they played it a lot slower? Would that be a better bang for you buck? After we first convert music-length into CD-units, is it notes-per-CD or minutes-per-CD that satisfy the consumer? Is it all made up for if/when the price is that of a single CD, anyway?
There were a few old cases of 'milking' the customer (DG Gold, notoriously, where 5 minutes on a second CD cost the additional price of an extra CD), but that's before your time, I think. I'm very curious that one of the younger GMG-people still has such old fashioned ideas about CD-length and 'skimpiness'.
Post by: The new erato on November 21, 2011, 03:17:47 AM
And in a wold where CD prices is tumbling, the filling of dics is not the issue, but whatb you get for your money, either measured in minutes pr dollar or any other alternative quality measure one may want to use.
Post by: Opus106 on November 21, 2011, 06:36:10 AM
And in a wold where CD prices is tumbling
Are they? Perhaps the prices of CDs more than a decade old are coming down in the form of re-releases and boxes, but newer releases don't quite cost the same; especially if it's a speciality label, the difference is quite a bit.
Post by: The new erato on November 21, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Post by: Opus106 on November 21, 2011, 08:00:37 AM
HM has been consistently offered at midprice levels even for pretty new fullprice discs for those who know where to look.
That indicates that the price drop is not quite widespread. :)
Post by: The new erato on November 21, 2011, 08:20:07 AM
Post by: Brian on November 21, 2011, 06:44:29 PM
What does that even mean, in an age where the arbitrary CD "length" is evaporating and the importance of the physical medium waning?
Would you be happy if they played it a lot slower? Would that be a better bang for you buck? After we first convert music-length into CD-units, is it notes-per-CD or minutes-per-CD that satisfy the consumer? Is it all made up for if/when the price is that of a single CD, anyway?
There are about 60 minutes left over - it seems logical to me that something else would be on the CD too. Jeffrey reports it's being sold for roughly the price of one disc, so that is fair, but if I were paying the typical HM two disc price (about $32 I think) I would be uninterested except maybe in mp3s.
I may be young (and therefore, of course, extremely cool) but I am also underemployed and poor, and simply don't have the disposable income to spend on CDs right now. I've placed one order since April if memory serves. Speaking of things which were in that order...
I am listening to it now btw: good quality and quite recommendable for someone looking for a PI performance, though I'm not in a position to say if someone with several recordings of the Overtures needs to run out and get a copy.
I have Kuijken/Petite Bande, and although I'm a really big fan of the sound of the Freiburgers (that Mozart!), I'm not discontent with the Kuijken set at all...
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 04, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
Post by: The new erato on December 04, 2011, 03:07:41 PM
"Good news from Other Minds: early next year they're reissuing Michael Tilson Thomas's survey of the works of Carl Ruggles, a classic two-LP set that never appeared on CD.... "
Post by: Lethevich on December 05, 2011, 01:07:42 AM
Post by: jlaurson on December 05, 2011, 05:58:41 AM
Am looking forward to this:
mehta IPO M7
w.h.y.?
Post by: The new erato on December 05, 2011, 06:03:36 AM
w.h.y.?Probably because it is something by Mahler.
Post by: Lethevich on December 05, 2011, 06:05:18 AM
w.h.y.?
;D I was tempted to ask. I can't recall anything enjoyable by Mehta in the past few decades. The Israel PO currently seems to be where good musicians go to die.
Still, he has life left in him to launch a comeback.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 05, 2011, 06:32:07 AM
Post by: jlaurson on December 05, 2011, 08:26:55 AM
;D I was tempted to ask. I can't recall anything enjoyable by Mehta in the past few decades. The Israel PO currently seems to be where good musicians go to die.
Still, he has life left in him to launch a comeback.
;)
I hear him often enough live. Still waiting for that comeback. Blandblandblandbland...
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 05, 2011, 09:10:02 AM
Probably because it is something by Mahler.
Precisely! ;D
;)
I hear him often enough live. Still waiting for that comeback. Blandblandblandbland...
Well, maybe this will be his comeback! I have enjoyed some of Mehta's more recent Mahler performances!
And the chap's ID is irrationalaboutmahler, after all! : )
:)
Post by: Brian on December 10, 2011, 03:05:15 PM
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/6790192.jpg)
Post by: Lethevich on December 10, 2011, 03:08:25 PM
Post by: kishnevi on December 10, 2011, 05:44:14 PM
Nice to see the RLPO on a "major" - although this is the nostalgic part of me. EMI goes for sub Naxos prices nowadays ;)
Not quite so in this neck of the woods. But Naxos puts out far more new recordings than EMI seems to do (especially when you leave out Libera, etc.) so maybe we should call Naxos the "major" label.
BTW, will this have any impact on Petrenko's Shostakovich cycle?
Post by: Brian on December 10, 2011, 06:50:32 PM
BTW, will this have any impact on Petrenko's Shostakovich cycle?
That's unclear. When I talked to a Naxos source about this in July after the Gothic Prom, he said that EMI wanted an exclusive recording contract but Petrenko still had to record a handful of the Shostakovich symphonies (if my memory's right, 4, 15, and one other remained) so the Naxos project was in some measure of jeopardy.
Post by: kishnevi on December 10, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
That's unclear. When I talked to a Naxos source about this in July after the Gothic Prom, he said that EMI wanted an exclusive recording contract but Petrenko still had to record a handful of the Shostakovich symphonies (if my memory's right, 4, 15, and one other remained) so the Naxos project was in some measure of jeopardy.
Going by what I have--2, 4,7,8, and 13-15 have not yet been released, although I assume some of those might already have been recorded but still in the production stages.
BTW, I posted this in the Purchases Thread, but I suppose it really goes here
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PcLMHz2GL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
US release date will be May 2012 (according to AmazonUS)
Post by: Brian on December 10, 2011, 07:15:48 PM
Going by what I have--2, 4,7,8, and 13-15 have not yet been released, although I assume some of those might already have been recorded but still in the production stages.
8 has been released. I'd heard at a RLPO concert in June that they were about to begin recording 2 and another choral symphony (must be 13); one of the people next to me in the stalls was a chorus member.
Post by: kishnevi on December 10, 2011, 08:04:42 PM
8 has been released.
I knew that. In fact, I have it!
Post by: Mirror Image on December 10, 2011, 10:02:50 PM
Looks like Vasily Petrenko really has signed with EMI.
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/6790192.jpg)
This is disappointing to see. :( I hate EMI with a passion. It's such a shame Petrenko went with them. I think he would have been better served had he remained with Naxos. Hell, I'd even take him on Decca over EMI any day.
Post by: jlaurson on December 11, 2011, 02:40:40 AM
This is disappointing to see. :( I hate EMI with a passion. It's such a shame Petrenko went with them. I think he would have been better served had he remained with Naxos. Hell, I'd even take him on Decca over EMI any day.
On the other hand it's nice to see EMI sign young conductors (first YNS, now Petrenko III) that are actually the bees' knees and musical. Now they won't have to rely on Sir Simon to do all the heavy lifting and we can ignore that baffling contract they have with Pappano. And "better served" is a complex concept. No doubt Naxos was very good for Petrenko, but it's not the kind of contract that is particularly attractive ad infinitum for an artist with greater ambitions... It's a stepping stone. I haven't been a fan of EMI for many years... but intelligent signing-policy is the surest way back into my heart. :-)
Post by: Drasko on December 11, 2011, 03:11:15 AM
HIP Berg?
Post by: jlaurson on December 11, 2011, 03:22:33 AM
(http://cdn.tower.jp/za/o/29/3149020210529.jpg)
HIP Berg?
No. Why? 3 non-HIP ingredients... = HIP ? ???
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 11, 2011, 03:30:50 AM
On the other hand it's nice to see EMI sign young conductors (first YNS, now Petrenko III) that are actually the bees' knees and musical. Now they won't have to rely on Sir Simon to do all the heavy lifting and we can ignore that baffling contract they have with Pappano. And "better served" is a complex concept. No doubt Naxos was very good for Petrenko, but it's not the kind of contract that is particularly attractive ad infinitum for an artist with greater ambitions... It's a stepping stone. I haven't been a fan of EMI for many years... but intelligent signing-policy is the surest way back into my heart. :-)Baffling in what sense? I know nothing about the contract, so just not sure I understand without the context.
Post by: Drasko on December 11, 2011, 04:26:18 AM
No. Why? 3 non-HIP ingredients... = HIP ? ???
For some reason I thought that Orchestra Mozart was Abbado's HIP project. Probably on account of repertoire: Mozart, Pergolesi, Bach, as I never heard any of their discs. My mistake.
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 11, 2011, 04:57:39 AM
Looks like Vasily Petrenko really has signed with EMI.:o
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/6790192.jpg)
Well, that looks great.... but, does anyone know why Petrenko felt the need to leave Naxos? It's a shame that Naxos now seem to be loosing one of their most consistently excellent artists....
I am looking forward to what Petrenko records with EMI, but share the hope of everyone here (it seems) that the Shostakovich Naxos cycle will not be abandoned....
Post by: jlaurson on December 11, 2011, 06:21:29 AM
:o
Well, that looks great.... but, does anyone know why Petrenko felt the need to leave Naxos? It's a shame that Naxos now seem to be loosing one of their most consistently excellent artists....
I am looking forward to what Petrenko records with EMI, but share the hope of everyone here (it seems) that the Shostakovich Naxos cycle will not be abandoned....
It's not a matter of losing, it's a matter of moving on. The two companies have completely different business models... and EMI can do so much more for an artist, beyond issuing CDs. And, not to be underestimated, the artist makes some money recording for EMI. Not so, for Naxos.
Baffling in what sense? I know nothing about the contract, so just not sure I understand without the context.
Oh, just because I think he is a barely-above-average conducting mediocrity... and he is feted all the same.
Post by: Lethevich on December 11, 2011, 06:50:13 AM
For some reason I thought that Orchestra Mozart was Abbado's HIP project.
Claudio also probably thinks what he is doing is HIP, but M's description of him just "waving his arms" in front of a chamber ensemble is quite a good description of what I've heard so far from this group. The Brandenburgs are less interesting than, say, Chailly's non-concessionary approach.
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2011, 07:51:48 AM
On the other hand it's nice to see EMI sign young conductors (first YNS, now Petrenko III) that are actually the bees' knees and musical. Now they won't have to rely on Sir Simon to do all the heavy lifting and we can ignore that baffling contract they have with Pappano. And "better served" is a complex concept. No doubt Naxos was very good for Petrenko, but it's not the kind of contract that is particularly attractive ad infinitum for an artist with greater ambitions... It's a stepping stone. I haven't been a fan of EMI for many years... but intelligent signing-policy is the surest way back into my heart. :-)
This still doesn't change the fact that I hate EMI now does it? ;) I could careless what Petrenko's ambitions are. He could drop off the face of the earth and it wouldn't matter to me. What does matter to me, as a listener, however, is that he continues making good recordings of repertoire I enjoy. Now, that he signed with EMI. I seriously don't see this happening, especially given the current turbulent reputation of this label.
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2011, 07:57:35 AM
(http://cdn.tower.jp/za/o/29/3149020210529.jpg)
HIP Berg?
Do you have any idea when this is supposed to be released? It looks intriguing.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2011, 08:04:43 AM
He could drop off the face of the earth and it wouldn't matter to me. What does matter to me is that he continues making good recordings of repertoire I enjoy.
Does not compute. Those sentences are contradictory.
Sarge
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2011, 08:10:30 AM
Does not compute. Those sentences are contradictory.
Sarge
Well it pays to read the whole post. :D You're taking two sentences that have no relation to each other out-of-context. The fall off the face of the earth comment was in relation to Petrenko's ambitions.
By the way, you can take many posts out-of-context and make them sound contradictory.
Post by: Lethevich on December 11, 2011, 08:17:35 AM
Edit: *for me. Can't believe I forgot that ;D
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2011, 08:31:56 AM
Does anyone else wish that the coupling on that disc was anything other than the Beethoven VC? :-X As interesting as the Berg looks, the bulk of that disc makes it an unneccessary buy* (especially as there was already at least one good recording of this coupling released recently - Steinbacher iirc).
Edit: *for me. Can't believe I forgot that ;D
Yeah, I wish it was something else too, Sara. Since Abbado is the conductor, why not couple it with Schoenberg's VC or pair it with another Berg work like Three Pieces For Orchestra, Lulu Suite, or Seven Early Songs?
This might be a recording that I, and I can't believe I'm saying this, download just for the Berg.
Post by: Brian on December 11, 2011, 08:37:18 AM
On the other hand it's nice to see EMI sign young conductors (first YNS, now Petrenko III) that are actually the bees' knees and musical. Now they won't have to rely on Sir Simon to do all the heavy lifting and we can ignore that baffling contract they have with Pappano. And "better served" is a complex concept. No doubt Naxos was very good for Petrenko, but it's not the kind of contract that is particularly attractive ad infinitum for an artist with greater ambitions... It's a stepping stone. I haven't been a fan of EMI for many years... but intelligent signing-policy is the surest way back into my heart. :-)
This is the first time I've seen YNS cited as "the bees' knees." He's undoubtedly musical, but on the two occasions I've seen him live (and on the disc or two I've heard) he conducted as if he liked the music but didn't have any ideas about how it should sound. The Franck D minor I saw him commit with the LPO was heavy, saggy, dull.
And yes, mahlermad, the pay Naxos gives its artists is near-minimal. For many Naxos artists, having CDs to promote yourself and add to your c.v. are the most valuable element in the process; the Shostakovich cycle (and the prize-winning Manfred) have enormously raised the profile of Petrenko and the RLPO, but these discs won't have paid for any holidays. What Jens said.
Oh, just because I think [Pappano] is a barely-above-average conducting mediocrity... and he is feted all the same.
Oh, so like YNS ;D
Edit: in the current climate of the recording industry, one would hope given how close the project is to a close, that Petrenko would've used his star power to argue a single exception-clause to the EMI contract to enable Naxos to finish the series with him - even if it involved several discs being recorded in quick succession (which I am sure the label would be willing to do to enable to them to finish the cycle).
Yeah, I can't imagine Naxos would go down quietly. They have a Shosty Seventh by Yablonsky, but going with a hybrid cycle of other conductors and orchestras picking up the leftovers would be a huge letdown for them.
Post by: Mirror Image on December 11, 2011, 08:46:23 AM
And yes, mahlermad, the pay Naxos gives its artists is near-minimal. For many Naxos artists, having CDs to promote yourself and add to your c.v. are the most valuable element in the process; the Shostakovich cycle (and the prize-winning Manfred) have enormously raised the profile of Petrenko and the RLPO, but these discs won't have paid for any holidays. What Jens said.
But what does he get paid as music director of the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic? That is the question. If he's making recordings for artistic reasons then the return profit of those recordings would not be of much importance. A true musician doesn't make music for profit. If they're doing it for money, then there are other avenues to go for selling out. 8)
Post by: Brian on December 11, 2011, 08:50:34 AM
A true musician doesn't make music for profit.
"No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money."
- Samuel Johnson
I see your point, but I don't think it's fair to define a "true musician" by profitability. And anybody takes any kind of occupation "for profit"; after all, just like I would, Petrenko wants a decent retirement savings and money to raise his son and a holiday in Spain and maybe some extra cash to put toward loss-making educational or charitable ventures.
I prefer several other labels to EMI, but for a high international profile they're hard to beat.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 11, 2011, 09:05:42 AM
You're taking two sentences that have no relation to each other out-of-context.
Then you should have started a second paragraph with the second sentence I quoted $:) Get thee to Cato's Grammar Grumble and confess your sin ;D
Sarge
Post by: Antoine Marchand on December 11, 2011, 09:10:38 AM
For some reason I thought that Orchestra Mozart was Abbado's HIP project. Probably on account of repertoire: Mozart, Pergolesi, Bach, as I never heard any of their discs. My mistake.
I'm not sure if you make a mistake at all, Drasko. That Orchestra Mozart is, indeed, Abbado's HIP project, at least during the last years (I think the Orchestra was founded in the middle of the last decade). I even think they play on period instruments in their recordings of Mozart (violin concertos and some symphonies) and Bach. That said, I will make clear that I don't have any of their recordings.
Post by: Bulldog on December 11, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Whether Petrenko will complete his Shostakovich series is evidently unknown at this time. If he doesn't, that's okay; there are many great Shostakovich symphony recordings already.
Post by: (: premont :) on December 11, 2011, 12:41:48 PM
That Orchestra Mozart is, indeed, Abbado's HIP project, at least during the last years (I think the Orchestra was founded in the middle of the last decade). I even think they play on period instruments in their recordings of Bach. That said, I will make clear that I don't have any of their recordings.
The wind instruments in their Brandenburgs (except the recorders) are modern instruments. I do not know about the strings and admit that concertos 3 and 6 sound as if period instruments are used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7ImLrEqDE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNzCx1ots&feature=related
Post by: Drasko on December 11, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
Do you have any idea when this is supposed to be released? It looks intriguing.
Should come out January.
Does anyone else wish that the coupling on that disc was anything other than the Beethoven VC? :-X As interesting as the Berg looks, the bulk of that disc makes it an unneccessary buy* (especially as there was already at least one good recording of this coupling released recently - Steinbacher iirc).
Edit: *for me. Can't believe I forgot that ;D
Especially since Isabelle Faust already recorded Beethoven concerto with Belohlavek for Harmonia Mundi few years ago.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on December 11, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
The wind instruments in their Brandenburgs (except the recorders) are modern instruments. I do not know about the strings and admit that concertos 3 and 6 sound as if period instruments are used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7ImLrEqDE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNzCx1ots&feature=related
It's apparently a mix:
Quote
“Here Claudio Abbado is gambolling among the Brandenburg Concertos in this straightforward TV-style concert film, recorded in the classic 19th-century opera house at Reggio Emilia during an Italian tour in spring 2007. The orchestra is at first glance a curious gathering, mixing 'Baroque' players such as violinist Giuliano Carmignola and harpsichordist Ottavio Dantone with 'modern' names such as trumpeter Reinhold Friedrich and 'un-Baroque' recorder-player Michala Petri. Furthermore, a look round the instruments reveals mostly modern models, some hybrids (for instance Jacques Zoon's wooden, multi-keyed flute) and a sprinkling of Baroque bows. Mind you, most younger players these days are well versed in Baroque style whatever they play on, and the tenor of these performances is firmly consistent with current ideas of what Baroque music ought to sound like.” Gramophone Classical Music Guide, 2010
Additionally, the Deutsche Gramophon webpage quotes at least two reviews saying that the Orchestra Mozart play period instruments:
http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/artist/product-quotes?PRODUCT_NR=4777371&ART_ID=ABBCL
The mixing is confirmed by this review of the recording of the symphonies:
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Claudio Abbado's ever greater immersion in Mozart has been one of the musical glories of recent years. If everything Abbado conducts seems to aspire to the naturalness and intimacy of chamber music, that quality is nowhere more obvious than in his approach to Mozart. This pair of releases features the conductor with an ensemble that was founded four years ago in Bologna almost, it seems, as an attempt to create an Italian counterpart to the Mahler Chamber Orchestra, with which Abbado has worked so regularly over the past decade. There's one significant difference between the two groups, though; where the Mahler CO plays exclusively on modern instruments, the Orchestra Mozart appears to use either modern or period instruments as required. These two sets illustrate that flexibility. The symphonies, taken from concerts in Italy in 2005 and 2006, appear to be played on modern instruments at standard concert pitch (A = 440Hz), while the recordings of the violin concertos with Giuliano Carmignola, on the other hand, sound as if they use period instruments tuned at the slightly lower A = 430Hz.
What remains constant between the two collections, though, is the almost miraculous conducting, with its exuberant, lively tempi, perfectly balanced lighter-than-air textures, and exquisite attention to the smallest details of phrasing and articulation. The sense of the players listening as intently to each other as they do to following Abbado's directions is obvious in every bar. The symphonies are an unalloyed joy - with gloriously natural phrasing and a palpable delight in the music's deftness and the fertility of its invention. Here the brisk tempi are no problem at all - quite the opposite when that energy and joie de vivre can be channelled to such exhilarating effect, in the Jupiter Symphony above all. But there are a few moments in the violin concertos, and especially in the Sinfonia Concertante (in which Carmignola is joined by viola player Danusha Waskiewicz), when the music could benefit from a little more room to breathe, though Abbado and his soloists do show that the slow movement of the Sinfonia doesn't need to be taken as an indulgent adagio to weave its magical spell.
Post by: (: premont :) on December 11, 2011, 01:50:24 PM
It's apparently a mix:
Intense study of the videos - most of them available at youtube tells me, that the musicians use modern bows and certainly modern string instruments in Brandenburg concertos 1 and 2, whereas they use baroque bows and most certainly period instruments in Brandenburg concertos 3,4,5 & 6. This seems logical and consequential, the only weak point being the multikeyed traverse flute.
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 12, 2011, 09:12:12 AM
And yes, mahlermad, the pay Naxos gives its artists is near-minimal. For many Naxos artists, having CDs to promote yourself and add to your c.v. are the most valuable element in the process; the Shostakovich cycle (and the prize-winning Manfred) have enormously raised the profile of Petrenko and the RLPO, but these discs won't have paid for any holidays. What Jens said.
Ah, I see.... well, it's a bit of a shame, especially for Naxos, who have now lost who had seemed to be their greatest artist. Naxos served him well I think! I certainly do look forward to seeing what Petrenko records on EMI.... a Prokofiev R+J would be good, Stravinsky ballets, Ravel Daphnis et Chloe perhaps...
Post by: Brian on December 12, 2011, 04:04:04 PM
who had seemed to be their greatest artist.
Careful now, that's a very hard call to make about a label as huge as Naxos, especially with artists like Cho-Liang Lin, Marin Alsop, Leonard Slatkin, Konstantin Scherbakov, Tianwa Yang, the Kodaly Quartet, the Maggini Quartet, the Kungsbacka Trio, the Warsaw Philharmonic, and recently appearances by Paul Meyer and Jean-Yves Thibaudet...
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 13, 2011, 10:50:21 AM
Careful now, that's a very hard call to make about a label as huge as Naxos, especially with artists like Cho-Liang Lin, Marin Alsop, Leonard Slatkin, Konstantin Scherbakov, Tianwa Yang, the Kodaly Quartet, the Maggini Quartet, the Kungsbacka Trio, the Warsaw Philharmonic, and recently appearances by Paul Meyer and Jean-Yves Thibaudet...
I'll change it to:
who had seemed to be one of their greatest artists.
:D
Maybe you agree though, that Petrenko must be at least in their top 3 most exciting artists? ;D
Post by: Opus106 on December 13, 2011, 08:50:21 PM
Maybe you agree though, that Petrenko must be at least in their top 3 most exiting artists? ;D
Corrected. 0:)
Post by: kishnevi on December 15, 2011, 08:38:11 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Boulez-Conducts-Mahler-Pierre/dp/B004NO5HLG/ref=zg_bsnr_697386_4
(not a GMG link!)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Mk6%2BR0hBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
As usual with Amazon, there's no track listing because it's not yet released, neither Presto nor MDT seem to list it yet, and the DG website is refusing to co-operate with me.
Post by: Mirror Image on December 15, 2011, 08:43:03 PM
Anyone know what's actually included in this?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Boulez-Conducts-Mahler-Pierre/dp/B004NO5HLG/ref=zg_bsnr_697386_4
(not a GMG link!)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Mk6%2BR0hBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
As usual with Amazon, there's no track listing because it's not yet released, neither Presto nor MDT seem to list it yet, and the DG website is refusing to co-operate with me.
Just type in Mahler Boulez Deutsche Grammophon into the Amazon search engine under music. Boulez has done the lieders, the symphonies, the adagio from the 10th, and Das Lied von der Erde.
Post by: Opus106 on December 15, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
Just type in Mahler Boulez Deutsche Grammophon into the Amazon search engine under music. Boulez has done the lieders, the symphonies, the adagio from the 10th, and Das Lied von der Erde.
It's being listed for 22 Pounds for a single disc. Either of it could be a typo, but so far I've been assuming that this was a recently released disc containing Mahlerian bits and bobs, whatever that was remaining to complete Boulez's Mahler recordings for DG. If it's going to be the whole shebang, I think it would be prudent to pre-order it now.
Post by: Mirror Image on December 15, 2011, 10:01:38 PM
It's being listed for 22 Pounds for a single disc. Either of it could be a typo, but so far I've been assuming that this was a recently released disc containing Mahlerian bits and bobs, whatever that was remaining to complete Boulez's Mahler recordings for DG. If it's going to be the whole shebang, I think it would be prudent to pre-order it now.
I'm pretty sure it's a typo, but I would wait and make sure it is before purchasing. I don't need the set as my Dad (he's the Mahler man in the family) owns all the single releases when they came out.
Post by: kishnevi on December 16, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
http://deutschegrammophon.com/artist/whatscoming?ART_ID=BOUPI
Wagner: the Prelude to Tristan und Isolde
Schoenberg: Pelleas und Melisande
the total playing time for the CD is 51:03. You think they could have at least plugged on the Liebstod with that amount of time left over.
The orchestra is the Gustav Mahler Jugendorchester.
Post by: PaulSC on December 21, 2011, 12:23:21 PM
The Staier box may turn out to be too good to be true. It appears to be a ten-disc set priced at $24.18 — fingers crossed! I have almost-but-not-quite bought several of the individual discs, so it would be great to get such a good deal on the whole set.
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 21, 2011, 12:33:53 PM
Just placed my first-ever pre-order at Amazon, for the following two items:If you scroll down to the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" section, you will see a number of other sets at the same price (same company), so seems likely everything will be fine.
The Staier box may turn out to be too good to be true. It appears to be a ten-disc set priced at $24.18 — fingers crossed! I have almost-but-not-quite bought several of the individual discs, so it would be great to get such a good deal on the whole set.
Post by: PaulSC on December 21, 2011, 01:02:31 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on December 22, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
Could my eyes be deceiving me? Is this true? Yes, it is. Jan Wagner, for those that don't know, has been an advocate of Latin American music for quite some time releasing, on the Bridge label, two excellent recordings of Ginastera and Villa-Lobos (the only stereo performance of VL's last ballet Emperor Jones). I really hope this begins a series of Latin American works. Being a huge fan of this music, my mouth just waters at all the possibilities of what could happen if this becomes a series. There's still so much early-mid 20th Century Latin music that has yet to be recorded. Can't wait for this release.
This recording already been mentioned earlier by Brian, but I'll mention it again. This has turned out to be an outstanding series and I look forward to this recording.
Post by: Brian on December 26, 2011, 10:18:02 AM
(http://www.channelclassics.com/media/futrel/CCS_SA_32112.jpg)
Post by: PaulSC on December 26, 2011, 11:16:24 AM
February 2012:A+ typography. (Seriously, the content is enticing too, but the intersecting “Festival/Iván" is mighty ingenious — although perhaps it's been done before?)
(http://www.channelclassics.com/media/futrel/CCS_SA_32112.jpg)
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 26, 2011, 12:16:58 PM
February 2012:
(http://www.channelclassics.com/media/futrel/CCS_SA_32112.jpg)
That should be interesting... never thought of Fischer in terms of Stravinsky...
Post by: Mirror Image on December 26, 2011, 01:03:07 PM
February 2012:
(http://www.channelclassics.com/media/futrel/CCS_SA_32112.jpg)
This looks pretty interesting. This will be another one I pick up next year. :)
Post by: KeithW on December 30, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
It's not a matter of losing, it's a matter of moving on. The two companies have completely different business models... and EMI can do so much more for an artist, beyond issuing CDs. And, not to be underestimated, the artist makes some money recording for EMI. Not so, for Naxos.
Oh, just because I think he is a barely-above-average conducting mediocrity... and he is feted all the same.
And he has just been awarded a knighthood - Sir Antonio Pappano
Post by: Lethevich on December 30, 2011, 07:45:47 PM
Post by: Lisztianwagner on January 02, 2012, 09:47:59 AM
Watching the Neujahrskonzert on TV was definitely wonderful, I'm looking forward to buying the CD :)
Post by: Lethevich on January 07, 2012, 07:04:08 AM
This got an almost embarasingly enthusiastic review in IRR, but it did much to attract my attention.
Most curiously, though: I thought that Warner stopped recording classical? Their Serebrier Glazunov series continued just so it could be finished, but this series looks new ???
Post by: jlaurson on January 07, 2012, 07:11:28 AM
Most curiously, though: I thought that Warner stopped recording classical? Their Serebrier Glazunov series continued just so it could be finished, but this series looks new ???
So they did... and yet continue to make exceptions for Serebrier. Unfortunately I don't know what the machinations of that deal are... i.e. which direction the money (if any) flows... but it is certainly a most notable exception to a policy change that is now nearly four or five (?) years old.
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 08, 2012, 04:31:16 AM
It includes:
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_December_Classical/233424.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_December_Classical/233424.htm).
Post by: Brian on January 08, 2012, 07:40:09 AM
Two recordings going to be released next year that I'm eagerly anticipating:
Could my eyes be deceiving me? Is this true? Yes, it is. Jan Wagner, for those that don't know, has been an advocate of Latin American music for quite some time releasing, on the Bridge label, two excellent recordings of Ginastera and Villa-Lobos (the only stereo performance of VL's last ballet Emperor Jones). I really hope this begins a series of Latin American works. Being a huge fan of this music, my mouth just waters at all the possibilities of what could happen if this becomes a series. There's still so much early-mid 20th Century Latin music that has yet to be recorded. Can't wait for this release.
John, Klaus Heymann says that this is the first in a three-volume series dedicated to Venezuelan composers and performed by Jan Wagner and the Orquesta Sinfonica de Venezuela.
He adds (this is in an email to ClassicsOnline subscribers) that Wit/Warsaw are doing the complete choir/orchestra works of Brahms. This is a bit amusing to me, because in an interview a year or two ago, Wit griped that he really wanted to record the German Requiem but Naxos wouldn't let him!
Post by: Mirror Image on January 08, 2012, 08:14:23 AM
John, Klaus Heymann says that this is the first in a three-volume series dedicated to Venezuelan composers and performed by Jan Wagner and the Orquesta Sinfonica de Venezuela.
Awesome! Thanks for the info, Brian.
Post by: Papy Oli on January 10, 2012, 03:10:33 PM
10 CD - just released
Post by: Opus106 on January 10, 2012, 08:03:01 PM
10 CD - just released
FYI: That bargain-hunting French blogger reports that there are faulty packaging with the Fiorentino box -- wrong slip cases, discs and things like that.
Post by: Lethevich on January 14, 2012, 12:48:20 PM
So they did... and yet continue to make exceptions for Serebrier. Unfortunately I don't know what the machinations of that deal are... i.e. which direction the money (if any) flows... but it is certainly a most notable exception to a policy change that is now nearly four or five (?) years old.
Hmm I just noticed they relelase Charlie Siem, who also has the whiff of self-funding. It's strange how Warner have become a vanity label ::)
Anyway, speaking of label stars, Alison Balsom has finally recorded something that looks to be worth buying, yay! Knowing EMI's weird over-supply problems, it will no doubt become available at under half-price on Amazon marketplace in short measure.
Post by: Brian on January 14, 2012, 10:11:27 PM
Hmm I just noticed they relelase Charlie Siem, who also has the whiff of self-funding.
Ah, yes, Charlie Siem, victim of my scathingest review (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Feb11/Siem_2564678047.htm). >:D
Post by: jlaurson on January 15, 2012, 05:17:17 AM
Hmm I just noticed they relelase Charlie Siem, who also has the whiff of self-funding. It's strange how Warner have become a vanity label ::)
At least Serebrier is quite good.
Re: Bilson: MacMillan is always a worthy cause, indeed!
Post by: Henk on January 15, 2012, 05:24:13 AM
I'm waiting for this release eagerly!
Watching the Neujahrskonzert on TV was definitely wonderful, I'm looking forward to buying the CD :)
Indeed, I watched it too. Was great, with the dancers and the public being part of the performance. Greatly conducted by Jansons. I liked the music as well. All these things came together in a wonderful real happening, not just a show.
Henk
Post by: Holden on January 15, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
10 CD - just released
Any idea how much of this is covered in the APR series?
Is there somewhere with a track listing?
Post by: Lisztianwagner on January 15, 2012, 01:01:03 PM
Indeed, I watched it too. Was great, with the dancers and the public being part of the performance. Greatly conducted by Jansons. I liked the music as well. All these things came together in a wonderful real happening, not just a show.
Henk
Really glad you enjoyed the Neujarhskonzert too Henk! I certainly agree, the performance was superb, very beautiful, vibrant and full of orchestral brilliance; but I expected nothing less from Jansosn & Wiener Philharmoniker :)
I saw amazon was going to release the CD on 17th January, can't wait to buy it!
Ilaria
Post by: Papy Oli on January 15, 2012, 03:09:04 PM
Any idea how much of this is covered in the APR series?
Is there somewhere with a track listing?
There you go : http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//PCLM0033.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//PCLM0033.htm)
Post by: ibanezmonster on January 15, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
Coming in January 2011, Leif Segerstam conducts his own Symphonies Nos 81, 162, and 181 (http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=ODE1172-2). I've never heard any Segerstam, so I'm kind of curious how he has managed to write 181 symphonies. And I find it hilarious that the "name" of Symphony No 81 is "After Eighty." Duh?Just saw this from over a year ago and the discussion on that page.
His symphony 212 is pretty good (it's on youtube)... I also wonder how he even manages to write so many. I read somewhere years ago that he uses an aleatoric technique, but it doesn't sound one bit aleatoric to me. Quite close to Saariaho's sound- beautiful and dark.
Post by: Lethevich on January 19, 2012, 02:38:12 PM
Looks like this is going to be a full cycle. I wonder how many have slipped through since Lebrecht's increasingly hilarious proclamation of the death of the Beethoven integral.
Post by: Henk on January 19, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Inbound:
Looks like this is going to be a full cycle. I wonder how many have slipped through since Lebrecht's increasingly hilarious proclamation of the death of the Beethoven integral.
When did Lebrecht say that?
Since 2000 I count full Beethoven cycles from Barenboim, Abbado, Mackerras, Vanska, Dausgaard, Immerseel, Jarvi, Pletnev, Norrington, Kuhn, Rattle, Haitink, Nelson, Tremblay, Van Zweden (in progress?), Skrowaczewski, Chailly, and Thielemann. I might have missed one.
Post by: Lethevich on January 19, 2012, 04:46:55 PM
When did Lebrecht say that?
It was tied into his old "the major labels will collapse within a matter of years" fantasy (the truth of an infinitely more gradual decline I guess wouldn't make him as much money). I tried to Google up a quote, but it became depressing reading his writings, and even worse, the reactions to them.
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2012, 05:34:54 PM
Since 2000 I count full Beethoven cycles from Barenboim, Abbado, Mackerras, Vanska, Dausgaard, Immerseel, Jarvi, Pletnev, Norrington, Kuhn, Rattle, Haitink, Nelson, Tremblay, Van Zweden (in progress?), Skrowaczewski, Chailly, and Thielemann. I might have missed one.
...I count one cycle for Warner, two for DG, one for RCA, one for EMI, one for Decca, one for Sony, and eleven for "the minor labels".
Post by: Mirror Image on January 19, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
(http://www.mdt.co.uk/public/pictures/products/standard/CHAN10694.jpg)
Oh, I'm getting this...
Post by: kishnevi on January 19, 2012, 09:43:41 PM
Oh, I'm getting this...
I thought the name was familiar, and went to look, and found out why--it's the same conductor (and pianist and orchestra) as the Pierne Piano Concerto recording on Chandos.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 19, 2012, 10:18:28 PM
I thought the name was familiar, and went to look, and found out why--it's the same conductor (and pianist and orchestra) as the Pierne Piano Concerto recording on Chandos.
That's right. Hopefully, this will be a good one. I'm such a sucker for Falla's music.
Post by: Brian on January 26, 2012, 05:44:23 PM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/UP0135-2.jpg)
Post by: DavidW on January 26, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
Post by: Lethevich on January 27, 2012, 06:20:15 AM
That cover screams desperate studio tries anything to get people to buy the music! That is demeaning more than it is artistic, sensual or even interesting. But maybe I just need to go to bed now, getting cranky. :)
Sucks, because I like the repertoire - but I'm not having that thing on my shelf. (But I'd credit the artist as much as the label for the idea - it's not likely that the subject matter would have been suggested by the latter before the former - odds on that such a suggestion would chill the professional relationship with most artists ;D "Hey, wanna go nude? :-* It'd be doing us a big favour!")
Edit: Ohlsson is always worth a listen, though I'll be waiting for reviews:
Post by: kishnevi on January 27, 2012, 12:48:38 PM
Sucks, because I like the repertoire - but I'm not having that thing on my shelf. (But I'd credit the artist as much as the label for the idea - it's not likely that the subject matter would have been suggested by the latter before the former - odds on that such a suggestion would chill the professional relationship with most artists ;D "Hey, wanna go nude? :-* It'd be doing us a big favour!")
I'm totally unfamiliar with her--not even if she's a violinist, singer, pianist, or some other variety of -ist. What music is on the recording?
Second question: when will Sarge (pre)order it?
That cover screams desperate studio tries anything to get people to buy the music! That is demeaning more than it is artistic, sensual or even interesting. But maybe I just need to go to bed now, getting cranky. :)
It's at least useful evidence to use when someone complains that classical music is stale and old fashioned. Even a hip hop artist might consider this pushing the envelope. (Well, maybe not a hip hop artist. Let's use "pop" or "rock" there instead.)
Post by: Lethevich on January 27, 2012, 12:52:40 PM
I'm totally unfamiliar with her--not even if she's a violinist, singer, pianist, or some other variety of -ist. What music is on the recording?
Songs:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RhWwnYMtL._SS400_.jpg)
Post by: (: premont :) on January 27, 2012, 02:52:32 PM
Ahem.
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/UP0135-2.jpg)
What the Sarge!! :o :o :o
Is it Andrea on the cover (something of a contradictio in adjecto as it is a cover without much cover) or is it just an anonymous model?
Post by: Bulldog on January 27, 2012, 03:12:22 PM
Ahem.
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/UP0135-2.jpg)
That's a nice cover - tasteful, dignified and attractive. Lang-Lang should give it a try (or Brendel). ;D
Post by: Brian on January 27, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
(a) Yes, it's really Andrea on the CD cover,
(b) She's a mezzosoprano,
(c) I am perfectly willing to bet it was either her idea or something she was enthusiastic about, because
(d) She appears to be a minor sex symbol in CzRep already, with a whole gallery (SFW) on iHOT.cz (http://www.ihot.cz/celebrity/andrea-kalivodova)
Oh and
(e) I requested this from MusicWeb ;D
Post by: Bulldog on January 28, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
The only disturbing thing about this cover for me: the shitty hair.
And yes, a quick google-image-search reveals: She really is that tacky, and worse!
I didn't notice anything tacky about those images, and her hair looks fine for bedroom activities.
Post by: Holden on January 28, 2012, 02:24:54 PM
There you go : http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//PCLM0033.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//PCLM0033.htm)
Looks like virtually all of it. The only stuff I can't find is the Debussy, and the Bach P&F disc. This means that I have eight of the 10 CDs already. Now, if this is well recorded, it will definitely be worth getting as I consider Fiorentino to be one of the best pianists I have ever heard.
About the Kempff - if it had the mono LVB sonata set I'd jump for it but it looks like it's the stereo.
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Well, well, well! Alexander Melnikov plays the Piano Concertos with the Mahler Chamber Orchestra, and joins Isabelle Faust for the Violin Sonata.
Post by: Mandryka on February 13, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
That's a nice cover - tasteful, dignified and attractive. Lang-Lang should give it a try (or Brendel). ;D
It's not a good cover artistically. The best sexy covers were on Westminster Gold LPs, and by comparison that one is poor. My favourite is Monteux's Romeo and Juiliet (Berlioz)
(http://www.westminstergold.com/WGS-8127-2a.jpg)
Post by: Bulldog on February 13, 2012, 11:52:52 PM
It's not a good cover artistically. The best sexy covers were on Westminster Gold LPs, and by comparison that one is poor. My favourite is Monteux's Romeo and Juiliet (Berlioz)
(http://www.westminstergold.com/WGS-8127-2a.jpg)
You find that sexy? I don't, especially those ridiculous stockings the guy is wearing.
Post by: Mandryka on February 14, 2012, 01:35:15 AM
It reminds me of the sex scene in Nick Roeg's film Don't Look Now, the one with Julie Christie and Donald Sutherland, which I also think is very sexy. Somehow there's a similar ambiance. I recommend the film enthusiastically if you don't know it.
Here's the sex scene
http://en.vidivodo.com/video/julie-christie/279275#videoalt
Not on youtube: maybe because it's so hot, in a subtle sort of way.
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on February 14, 2012, 01:44:41 AM
Ahem.
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/UP0135-2.jpg)
I would say things are definitively getting better for us guys. She is a gem.
Post by: Bulldog on February 14, 2012, 04:23:09 PM
I think it's very evocative of a certain era and yes I think is sexy. I don't look at the socks. I like her ass and her hair and his mustache.
It reminds me of the sex scene in Nick Roeg's film Don't Look Now, the one with Julie Christie and Donald Sutherland, which I also think is very sexy. Somehow there's a similar ambiance. I recommend the film enthusiastically if you don't know it.
Here's the sex scene
http://en.vidivodo.com/video/julie-christie/279275#videoalt
Not on youtube: maybe because it's so hot, in a subtle sort of way.
That was 3 minutes of boredom with about the worst music applied. You and I are on very different wavelengths. I don't see sex as a subtle activity; it's primitive and messy. 8)
Post by: DavidW on February 14, 2012, 04:30:01 PM
Post by: DavidW on February 14, 2012, 04:31:14 PM
That was 3 minutes of boredom with about the worst music applied. You and I are on very different wavelengths. I don't see sex as a subtle activity; it's primitive and messy. 8)
Don, this must be you and the Mrs. ;D ;D
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mistranslations.png)
Post by: Brian on February 14, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
I don't see sex as a subtle activity; it's primitive and messy. 8)
Eh, it can be both. :)
Post by: Mandryka on February 15, 2012, 02:26:17 AM
The ending is what sticks in my mind most about that movie. It's a pretty good sex scene though but forgettable, not risque for it's time but probably risque for now... we're such puritans! ;D
It depends what you mean by risque'. I get very bored very quickly by explicit sex scenes, by images of dicks pounding inside cunts and assholes and mouths. S and M is more interesting, but it's a different genre and it's unfair to compare it with what Roeg was trying to do.
I think the music in the scene is extremely evocative. In fact it's some of my favourite film music (another example would be some of the music in Rocco and his Brothers)
By the way I wasn't saying that sex is subtle. That's not what I think. I was saying that the film, the scene, subtly displays sex. The way clothes are used, that marvelous image of Donald Sutherland casting a glance at Julie Christie while she is in the bathroom. Or Donald Sutherland drinking the whiskey. All thse things are marvelous touches IMO and add to the eroticism of the whole, for me. But they're subtle -- not just a dick in a cunt.
But most importantly, you can see that they're really turned on. And really affectionate.
Post by: DavidW on February 15, 2012, 05:52:00 AM
By the way I wasn't saying that sex is subtle. That's not what I think. I was saying that the film, the scene, subtly displays sex. The way clothes are used, that marvelous image of Donald Sutherland casting a glance at Julie Christie while she is in the bathroom. Or Donald Sutherland drinking the whiskey. All thse things are marvelous touches IMO and add to the eroticism of the whole, for me. But they're subtle -- not just a dick in a cunt.
But most importantly, you can see that they're really turned on. And really affectionate.
That's probably why many people thought it was the real deal. Just superior cinematography and acting. :)
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 16, 2012, 02:41:06 AM
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on February 16, 2012, 02:46:31 AM
I have long been interested in this one, and now it is going to be dirt cheap once there are sales and such! I must hold firm! I must be resolute! I must be disciplined! I must...(sweating)....I must...(sweating more)...I must...oh no...
O, common Neal this is easy to resist, for God sake, who wants Wagner in their collection, no one right? :P :o ;D
Post by: jlaurson on February 16, 2012, 04:49:29 AM
I have long been interested in this one, and now it is going to be dirt cheap once there are sales and such! I must hold firm! I must be resolute! I must be disciplined! I must...(sweating)....I must...(sweating more)...I must...oh no...
It's a modern "singer's cycle", with the microphones giving clear precedence to the voices over the orchestra. Good singers, too... a last prestige-hooray of the GDR's "People-Owned" record industry.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 16, 2012, 06:20:56 AM
I have long been interested in this one, and now it is going to be dirt cheap once there are sales and such! I must hold firm! I must be resolute! I must be disciplined! I must...(sweating)....I must...(sweating more)...I must...oh no...
Son of a bitch...I'd hoped they wouldn't re-release that one cheap so I could avoid the temptation. I really don't need another Ring....but for 25 Euro? How can I say no? :(
Sarge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 16, 2012, 06:26:37 AM
Post by: Opus106 on February 16, 2012, 06:52:35 AM
* POW *
Prisoner of Wagner?
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 16, 2012, 07:00:12 AM
* POW *
Prisoner of Wagner?
;D :D ;D
Post by: The new erato on February 16, 2012, 07:06:48 AM
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 16, 2012, 07:10:49 AM
25 Eiuros where?
Amazon DE (http://www.amazon.de/Ring-Nibelungen-Marek-Janowski/dp/B006XOBFJC/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1329404984&sr=1-1)
Edit: JPC too
Sarge
Post by: Wanderer on February 16, 2012, 07:11:28 AM
Prisoner of Wagner?
They're reworking the Geneva Conventions as we speak.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 16, 2012, 07:13:04 AM
They're reworking the Geneva Conventions as we speak.
I fear it won't be soon enough to save me.
Sarge
Post by: Opus106 on February 16, 2012, 07:13:36 AM
They're reworking the Geneva Conventions as we speak.
Amendment No. 1: Change name to Bayreuth Conventions.
Post by: The new erato on February 16, 2012, 09:30:10 AM
Amazon DE (http://www.amazon.de/Ring-Nibelungen-Marek-Janowski/dp/B006XOBFJC/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1329404984&sr=1-1)Thanks. I ordered the Stokowski set.
Edit: JPC too
Sarge
Post by: madaboutmahler on February 16, 2012, 10:51:52 AM
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 16, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
Post by: Sergeant Rock on February 16, 2012, 11:44:38 AM
Thanks. I ordered the Stokowski set.
Stokowski?
Sarge
Post by: The new erato on February 16, 2012, 11:47:28 AM
Stokowski?
Sarge
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xma4H8NWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
I thought you were the supreme CD buyer?
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 16, 2012, 11:54:52 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on February 16, 2012, 01:31:40 PM
Really?
YES!!!! 8)
Can't wait!
I gather you are not, Karl?
Post by: North Star on February 16, 2012, 02:08:51 PM
YES!!!! 8)Well, perhaps he's only just really really excited, therefore really really less excited than you.
Can't wait!
I gather you are not, Karl?
Post by: madaboutmahler on February 16, 2012, 02:09:53 PM
Well, perhaps he's only just really really excited, therefore really really less excited than you.
Possibly. 8)
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 16, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
Post by: Lethevich on February 16, 2012, 02:39:59 PM
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
Heymann also said that in coming years Naxos will reduce its monthly releases to only 10-12, and that he's trying to lure more and more famous artists to the label to increase profitability. 2011 saw the Naxos debuts of Jean-Yves Thibaudet, Paul Meyer, Eliahu Inbal, and Pepe Romero, so he's making a good start there. Heymann did concede that this meant they'd be re-recording standard repertoire to appease the more famous artists he wants on the label's roster - so, even though he loves Jeno Jando's Beethoven, he'll give someone the opportunity to re-record the 32 sonatas if it brings a major international pianist on board.
There's a lot more - I just skimmed. (http://www.classicalarchives.com/feature/heymann_interview.html)
Post by: Mirror Image on February 22, 2012, 05:39:38 PM
Today while at work I read an interview with Klaus Heymann where he said that Naxos will be celebrating its 25th anniversary this year with releases of the Ravel orchestral music (Orchestre de Lyon, Leonard Slatkin) and the complete Mieczyslaw Weinberg symphonies (Warsaw/Wit? he didn't say, but Wit has mentioned it in the past). I'm a little bummed about Slatkin - I was hoping they had Stephane Deneve and the Scottish National Orchestra on hand to do Ravel. The Weinberg news is exciting.
Heymann also said that in coming years Naxos will reduce its monthly releases to only 10-12, and that he's trying to lure more and more famous artists to the label to increase profitability. 2011 saw the Naxos debuts of Jean-Yves Thibaudet, Paul Meyer, Eliahu Inbal, and Pepe Romero, so he's making a good start there. Heymann did concede that this meant they'd be re-recording standard repertoire to appease the more famous artists he wants on the label's roster - so, even though he loves Jeno Jando's Beethoven, he'll give someone the opportunity to re-record the 32 sonatas if it brings a major international pianist on board.
There's a lot more - I just skimmed. (http://www.classicalarchives.com/feature/heymann_interview.html)
Ravel and Slatkin = major ::) from me. They should have got Markl to do it. He's much better suited to the music than boring old Slatkin.
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2012, 06:50:40 PM
They should have got Markl to do it. He's much better suited to the music than boring old Slatkin.
That's why I suggested Deneve. I've seen Deneve do La valse. I felt like I'd been hit by lightning. (In a good way, that is!)
I do have the slightest of suspicions that Deneve's recording Ravel for someone else, but that's mere conjecture.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 22, 2012, 07:52:43 PM
(http://www.thomasmusic.net.au/images/products/4802316.jpg)
Post by: eyeresist on February 22, 2012, 08:31:40 PM
Today while at work I read an interview with Klaus Heymann where he said that Naxos will be celebrating its 25th anniversary this year with releases of the Ravel orchestral music (Orchestre de Lyon, Leonard Slatkin) and the complete Mieczyslaw Weinberg symphonies (Warsaw/Wit? he didn't say, but Wit has mentioned it in the past). I'm a little bummed about Slatkin - I was hoping they had Stephane Deneve and the Scottish National Orchestra on hand to do Ravel. The Weinberg news is exciting.Exciting news indeed! Hopefully most of the Weinberg releases will stretch over the hour mark ;)
I agree that Deneve conducting Ravel would be more enticing. After his excellent Roussel cycle, he should be considered a major name in French music.
Post by: Mirror Image on February 22, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
I agree that Deneve conducting Ravel would be more enticing. After his excellent Roussel cycle, he should be considered a major name in French music.
Yes, I wish Deneve would do all of Ravel's orchestral works.
Post by: The new erato on February 22, 2012, 11:00:20 PM
Besides the Debussy/Markl set coming out in a few days, I'm looking forward to this one next month:Yes indeed. It's been preannounced on the Australian Buywell site for some time, high time we saw it in the shops now!
(http://www.thomasmusic.net.au/images/products/4802316.jpg)
Post by: edward on February 23, 2012, 06:41:55 AM
Yes indeed. It's been preannounced on the Australian Buywell site for some time, high time we saw it in the shops now!Does look very nice, even to someone like me who has about half the material already. The Honegger Cantate de Noel and the Martin In terra pax are particularly fine.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on February 23, 2012, 07:02:35 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0608917254525.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Johannes-Passion-BWV-245/hnum/4901606
8)
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2012, 07:26:53 AM
Yes indeed. It's been preannounced on the Australian Buywell site for some time, high time we saw it in the shops now!
It comes out in March. Thank goodness...
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2012, 07:28:04 AM
Does look very nice, even to someone like me who has about half the material already. The Honegger Cantate de Noel and the Martin In terra pax are particularly fine.
I have all the works presented on this 2-CD set in other performances, but I really would like to hear what Ansermet does with Honegger. Should be excellent.
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 23, 2012, 07:55:31 AM
A new Johannes-Passion by Sigiswald Kuijken and La Petite Bande, under this gorgeous cover: ;DWhat were they thinking!?!? That cover does not make me want to run out and buy it (but does make me want to run - far away).
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0608917254525.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Johannes-Passion-BWV-245/hnum/4901606
8)
Post by: The new erato on February 23, 2012, 08:15:35 AM
What were they thinking!?!? That cover does not make me want to run out and buy it (but does make me want to run - far away).It certainly makes a contrast to ......babes. Whether for better or worse I'm not quite sure.
Post by: MishaK on February 23, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
Yes, I wish Deneve would do all of Ravel's orchestral works.
Whatever recording projects Denève does next will probably not be with RSNO, but with his new band, the SWR Stuttgart SO.
Post by: jlaurson on February 23, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
Whatever recording projects Denève does next will probably not be with RSNO, but with his new band, the SWR Stuttgart SO.
And therefore -- possibly if not necessarily -- Haenssler, since the SWRadio cooperates with them and not Naxos.
Post by: Lethevich on February 23, 2012, 03:35:13 PM
A new Johannes-Passion by Sigiswald Kuijken and La Petite Bande, under this gorgeous cover: ;D
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0608917254525.jpg)
I wonder whether any other UK people notice a slight resemblance between Kuijken and John Prescott (a former politician). It always makes his photos look slightly off for me.
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
And therefore -- possibly if not necessarily -- Haenssler, since the SWRadio cooperates with them and not Naxos.
Is this up to the individual radio outfits? I know for instance NDR is cozy with cpo and MDR has recently begun recording on Naxos.
Post by: eyeresist on February 23, 2012, 06:59:50 PM
A new Johannes-Passion by Sigiswald Kuijken and La Petite Bande, under this gorgeous cover: ;D
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0608917254525.jpg)
It's a great face, but not one I'd want to meet in a dark alley.
Post by: Lethevich on February 29, 2012, 07:19:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LVaJ2.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/GLqLo.jpg)
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/s.asp?s=S_1
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 29, 2012, 11:05:12 PM
Not out yet, but coming in the next few months:Yippee! I've had the Kalkbrenner on my wishlist for a month now (just waiting for it to be released), but the Wiklund is new to me (both the name and this release). This is perhaps the best series ever (considering the quality, how long it has gone on, and the wide range of (new) names included)!
(http://i.imgur.com/LVaJ2.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/GLqLo.jpg)
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/s.asp?s=S_1
Post by: Lethevich on March 01, 2012, 04:01:32 PM
Post by: kishnevi on March 01, 2012, 05:47:40 PM
Indeedie, I love it - shame that the other two series haven't caught light yet. Especially curious given how many VCs there are out there.
I think you underestimate the ubiquity of the piano versus the violin. The American West had honky tonk pianos, not honky tonk violins; and the supposed nightmare of every 20th century boy was parently enforced piano lessons, not violin lessons.
(Speaking as someone whose parents chose the violin for him because 1)pianos were too expensive 2)horns were too loud and 3)cellos were too big for a nine year old kid to handle comfortable, even in the kid size versions. (And clarinets were not even considered--apologies to Karl!)
Post by: Lethevich on March 01, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eupyw.jpg) (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67923&vw=dc)
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 01, 2012, 10:27:07 PM
Indeedie, I love it - shame that the other two series haven't caught light yet. Especially curious given how many VCs there are out there.Well, No. 12 in the series is coming out in May (Vieuxtemps), and this has picked up after a three year hiatus (from 2006-09) between #6 and #7. We'll just hope it keeps coming.
Post by: Leo K. on March 03, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
I'm presuming I'm not the only one interested in this one, which was released this week (at least, in the US. This may be one of those recordings that are released in Europe weeks ahead of the US.)
Wow...I gotta hear this one. Thanks for the heads up!
Post by: Cascade on March 05, 2012, 11:33:10 AM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/harmoniamundihmc902104.jpg)
Well, well, well! Alexander Melnikov plays the Piano Concertos with the Mahler Chamber Orchestra, and joins Isabelle Faust for the Violin Sonata.
Anyone heard this yet? I ordered it after reading a glowing review of it in the papers.
Post by: kishnevi on March 05, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
Anyone heard this yet? I ordered it after reading a glowing review of it in the papers.
I have it, and liked it on first hearing, but since I've only played it once (I have a huge listen to pile at the moment, and for some time to come), I don't feel right about giving it a raving thumbs up. At least a couple more listens would be required before I get to that point.
Post by: jlaurson on March 06, 2012, 11:34:23 AM
Is this up to the individual radio outfits? I know for instance NDR is cozy with cpo and MDR has recently begun recording on Naxos.
That depends. NDR is not as such cozy with cpo... but some of the NDR Outlets are. (I.e. the Hannover Band, but not the main Orchestra.)
BR has its own label now, but they had cooperated with anyone who was game. The MRSO with RCA, the BRSO with EMI and most recently, Sony and for re-issues with audite.
Esp. with big labels, it usually depends on the contracts with the artists... but with such contracts either expiring or diminishing, it becomes easier to create or form 'house-labels'.
The SWR seems to be unique in that the entire fleet of orchestras has Haenssler as the go-to address... but then they're the local label and have a history that goes back several years and their connections are very much entangled. Mutually beneficial so far, I'd say.
Post by: Lethevich on March 08, 2012, 10:05:37 AM
Hans Gál: Music for Cello
Ernst Krenek: Music for Chamber Orchestra
Riccardo Malipiero: Complete Music for Solo Piano
Nikolai Peyko: Complete Piano Music, Volume One
Percy Sherwood: Complete Works for Cello and Piano
Myroslav Skoryk: Music for Violin and Piano
Brahms by Arrangement, Volume One
I want to hug them ;___;
Post by: The new erato on March 08, 2012, 10:23:01 AM
Toccata Classics are surpassing themselves of late. Out now or soon are the following (http://www.toccataclassics.com/inpreparation.php):My wife OTOH wants a serious talk to Martin Anderson.
Hans Gál: Music for Cello
Ernst Krenek: Music for Chamber Orchestra
Riccardo Malipiero: Complete Music for Solo Piano
Nikolai Peyko: Complete Piano Music, Volume One
Percy Sherwood: Complete Works for Cello and Piano
Myroslav Skoryk: Music for Violin and Piano
Brahms by Arrangement, Volume One
I want to hug them ;___;
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 11, 2012, 02:46:22 PM
Here for a good listing of what is on it: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/4783640.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/4783640.htm)
Post by: kishnevi on March 11, 2012, 06:08:19 PM
Here's one that could be interesting...
Here for a good listing of what is on it: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/4783640.htm (http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/4783640.htm)
Well, I already have at least 15 CDs out of the 50. The listings don't make it clear, but the Verdi is the Solti recording. Of the ones I have, they're all at least good, and some of them excellent enough to be my preferred performances. I do have a different recording of Spem in alium by the King's College Choir--the worst by several miles of that work I have ever heard--hopefully they did a better job for DG/Decca than they did for EMI.
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 13, 2012, 12:30:08 PM
Includes:
Symphony No. 1 in B flat minor New Philharmonia Orchestra/Sir Malcolm Sargent
Symphony No. 2 London Symphony Orchestra/André Previn
Viola Concerto (revised version) Nigel Kennedy/Royal Philharmonic Orchestra/André Previn
Violin Concerto (revised version) - Nigel Kennedy/Royal Philharmonic Orchestra/André Previn
Façade - Two suites for orchestra (1987 Digital Remaster) City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra/Louis Frémaux
Belshazzar's Feast John Shirley-Quirk/London Symphony Chorus/London Symphony Orchestra/André Previn
Troilus and Cressida (1992 Digital Remaster) Elisabeth Schwarzkopf/Monica Sinclair/Richard Lewis/Lewis Thomas/John Hauxwell
Post by: Lethevich on March 13, 2012, 12:40:03 PM
Surely EMI has more works in their vaults, though, although I guess it's still a decent set.
Post by: Rinaldo on March 14, 2012, 08:13:20 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/x0p7qr.jpg) (http://www.collegium1704.com/en/multimedia/cd/207-cd-zelenka-responsoria.html)
Post by: marvinbrown on March 21, 2012, 01:17:37 PM
I don't believe this!! It seems that the Bach 2000 on Teldec is set to be repackaged and released in this new incarnation at around £300. The original set retailed at close to a £1000. I own the complete organ works ( Koopman) from this set and of course the illustrious sacred cantatas Leonhardt/Harnoncourt.
marvin
Post by: Ataraxia on March 21, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 21, 2012, 01:30:13 PM
255 Pounds at MDT (w/o shipping). $320/325 at Amazon US and Deep Discount (w/o shipping, if any). I imagine it will get cheaper once it is released everywhere.
I don't believe this!! It seems that the Bach 2000 on Teldec is set to be repackaged and released in this new incarnation at around £300. The original set retailed at close to a £1000. I own the complete organ works ( Koopman) from this set and of course the illustrious sacred cantatas Leonhardt/Harnoncourt.
marvin
Post by: marvinbrown on March 21, 2012, 02:00:09 PM
255 Pounds at MDT (w/o shipping). $320/325 at Amazon US and Deep Discount (w/o shipping, if any). I imagine it will get cheaper once it is released everywhere.
I hope so.
marvin
Post by: jlaurson on March 21, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
I don't believe this!! It seems that the Bach 2000 on Teldec is set to be repackaged and released in this new incarnation at around £300. The original set retailed at close to a £1000. I own the complete organ works ( Koopman) from this set and of course the illustrious sacred cantatas Leonhardt/Harnoncourt.
marvin
Are you sure all the cantatas are Leonhardt/Harnoncourt? It would make sense... but I think I noticed a couple Koopman Cantatas in there, as well. (At least the secular ones.)
Post by: The new erato on March 21, 2012, 02:38:40 PM
Are you sure all the cantatas are Leonhardt/Harnoncourt? It would make sense... but I think I noticed a couple Koopman Cantatas in there, as well. (At least the secular ones.)The Leonhardt/Harnoncourt series didn'tinclude the secular stuff I think.
Post by: kishnevi on March 21, 2012, 08:00:03 PM
255 Pounds at MDT (w/o shipping). $320/325 at Amazon US and Deep Discount (w/o shipping, if any). I imagine it will get cheaper once it is released everywhere.
$299.99 USD at Arkivmusic, plus shipping, and if like me, you live in a state in which Arkiv must charge it, sales tax. For me, because of the sales tax, that brings it up to just under Amazon's price, but if you live in a state where you don't need to pay the tax, that might make a difference.
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 22, 2012, 11:12:30 AM
$299.99 USD at Arkivmusic, plus shipping, and if like me, you live in a state in which Arkiv must charge it, sales tax. For me, because of the sales tax, that brings it up to just under Amazon's price, but if you live in a state where you don't need to pay the tax, that might make a difference.Just found it for $259 at Importcds. Says that sale ends 30th of March. And it looks like they screwed up the shipping - not marked heavy, so shipping in US is just $1.49. Total of $260.78.
Post by: kishnevi on March 22, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Just found it for $259 at Importcds. Says that sale ends 30th of March. And it looks like they screwed up the shipping - not marked heavy, so shipping in US is just $1.49. Total of $260.78.
Thank your for the tip. Although my checkbook is not so grateful :)
BTW, they also tacked on a handling charge of $1.50 so the actual total I'm paying is $262.28
Ironically, I have Alan Curtis playing the English and French Suites tonight for my listening, which is one of the performances in the box.
Post by: Que on March 22, 2012, 11:25:27 PM
Its a marvelous bargain! :) Much better than that Haenssler thingy... ::) 8)
If only, if only. It's too late for me I'm afraid... :-\ Twenty years when I was just starting out on Bach this would heave been a Godsend. Now I already have on the shelves the Sacred cantatas by Leonhardt/Harnoncourt (bought in its 1st CD appearance at mid-price! :o), Koopman's organ cycle, Wilson's WTC, and yes, also Curtis' Suites.... :-\
Q
Post by: Opus106 on March 22, 2012, 11:35:26 PM
Post by: marvinbrown on March 23, 2012, 07:02:13 AM
Are you sure all the cantatas are Leonhardt/Harnoncourt? It would make sense... but I think I noticed a couple Koopman Cantatas in there, as well. (At least the secular ones.)
In my post I said the SACRED cantatas. I do not know who features on the secular ones.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 23, 2012, 07:11:41 AM
Post by: Opus106 on March 23, 2012, 07:36:56 AM
Aye, and since Jens said At least the secular ones, I took him as asking whether all the [sacred] cantatas are Leonhardt/Harnoncourt.
Or on the reasonable assumption that Jens missed the S-word in marvin's post, it could just as easily be interpreted as his asking whether all the cantatas (as he did ask about "all the cantatas") are by L&H. He doubts that this is the case, since he read Koopman's name listed as the conductor of some ("at least the secular ones") of the cantatas.
[Aside: I'm sure Renfield would have made a better post of that had he some minutes to spare in between attending to more productive things. ;D]
Post by: kishnevi on March 23, 2012, 08:52:08 AM
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Its a marvelous bargain! :) Much better than that Haenssler thingy... ::) 8)
Q
As I dip into the the "Haenssler thing" I'm finding plenty of good music making.
WARNING! ANDRE RIEU ALERT!
I did notice in the press packet writeups that among the musicians listed is Andre Rieu (he's among the performers of one of the earliest recordings, c. 1960). So now I will be able to say with a very straight face that I do indeed have an Andre Rieu recordings.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 23, 2012, 08:54:06 AM
Post by: marvinbrown on March 23, 2012, 02:38:34 PM
Or on the reasonable assumption that Jens missed the S-word in marvin's post, it could just as easily be interpreted as his asking whether all the cantatas (as he did ask about "all the cantatas") are by L&H. He doubts that this is the case, since he read Koopman's name listed as the conductor of some ("at least the secular ones") of the cantatas.
[Aside: I'm sure Renfield would have made a better post of that had he some minutes to spare in between attending to more productive things. ;D]
Aye, and since Jens said At least the secular ones, I took him as asking whether all the [sacred] cantatas are Leonhardt/Harnoncourt.
Ok just to clarify ALL OF THE SACRED CANTATAS ARE LEONHARDT/HARNONCOURT. More importantly they are brilliant performances. HIP, all boys choir, with a few exceptions where women were brought in to fill some of the soprano roles. On the whole these sacred cantatas recordings are deliciously raw and earnest.
marvin
Post by: Que on March 23, 2012, 03:26:40 PM
As I dip into the the "Haenssler thing" I'm finding plenty of good music making.
WARNING! ANDRE RIEU ALERT!
I did notice in the press packet writeups that among the musicians listed is Andre Rieu (he's among the performers of one of the earliest recordings, c. 1960). So now I will be able to say with a very straight face that I do indeed have an Andre Rieu recordings.
That might be the father of the now-(in)famous André Rieu.... André Rieu sr. (1917-1992) was conductor of a provincial orchestra, the Maastrichts Stedelijk Orkest (Maastricht City Orchestra), later transformed into the Limburgs Symphonie Orkest (Limburg Symphony Orchestra).
Q
Post by: jlaurson on March 23, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
That might be the father of the now-(in)famous André Rieu.... André Rieu sr. (1917-1992) was conductor of a provincial orchestra, the Maastrichts Stedelijk Orkest (Maastricht City Orchestra), later transformed into the Limburgs Symphonie Orkest (Limburg Symphony Orchestra).
Q
He also conducted a nice Haydn Trumpet Concerto. On Sony, methinks.
Post by: kishnevi on March 23, 2012, 05:33:24 PM
That might be the father of the now-(in)famous André Rieu.... André Rieu sr. (1917-1992) was conductor of a provincial orchestra, the Maastrichts Stedelijk Orkest (Maastricht City Orchestra), later transformed into the Limburgs Symphonie Orkest (Limburg Symphony Orchestra).
Q
From Prestoclassical's description, which I think is mostly cut and paste of Teldec's own PR:
Quote
From Schleicht, spielende Wellen, BWV 206, recorded by the Monteverdi Choir Hamburg, Amsterdam Chamber Orchestra, Jürgen Jürgens and André Rieu in 1963 to the Trio in A major, BWV 1025 with Werner Ehrhardt and Gerald Hambitzer recorded in April 1999, COMPLETE BACH chronicles nearly four decades of Bach performance on period instruments.
Since I didn't know about the father, and am not in the least familiar with Jurgen Jurgens. I assumed it was the PBS Rieu--that Rieu was simply a then unknown member of the violin section whom Teldec highlighted now because of his celebrity. In fact, Andre Jr. was born (now that I'm digging into Wikipedia) 1 October 1949, which would make him a tad young to actually be in a recording in 1963. So I guess it's really Andre Sr. conducting--and Jurgens being a vocal soloist?
In that case, this state of emergency is hereby terminated.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 24, 2012, 04:51:09 AM
Post by: Drasko on March 24, 2012, 05:04:46 AM
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Jules-Massenet-1842-1912-Massenet-Edition/hnum/3014587
I'm very little familiar with Massenet, so this could be interesting. Probably no chance for printed libretti, but even .pdf wouldn't be bad.
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 24, 2012, 05:34:52 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0028947839637.jpg)Assuming they are taking the right performances, which judging from the performers they are, then this is a very interesting one stop shop for Massenet. So many excellent performances if they take them: Fleming in Thais, the Werther with Carreras and co, Esclarmonde with Sutherland, Therese conducted by Bonynge - long out of print I think, Le Roi De Lahore also out of print (with Sutherland and Milnes, et al), etc. It could be a really high quality box.
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Jules-Massenet-1842-1912-Massenet-Edition/hnum/3014587
I'm very little familiar with Massenet, so this could be interesting. Probably no chance for printed libretti, but even .pdf wouldn't be bad.
EDIT: And presumably they will have the Don Quichotte with Kord conducting, which is outstanding, and was only available in a French edition for the most part. Ghiaurov is in that one, and he is listed.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 24, 2012, 08:23:54 AM
From Prestoclassical's description, which I think is mostly cut and paste of Teldec's own PR:
Since I didn't know about the father, and am not in the least familiar with Jurgen Jurgens. I assumed it was the PBS Rieu--that Rieu was simply a then unknown member of the violin section whom Teldec highlighted now because of his celebrity. In fact, Andre Jr. was born (now that I'm digging into Wikipedia) 1 October 1949, which would make him a tad young to actually be in a recording in 1963. So I guess it's really Andre Sr. conducting--and Jurgens being a vocal soloist?
In that case, this state of emergency is hereby terminated.WARNING: ANDRE RIEU ALERT
Yes, that Rieu is André Rieu Sr. who conducts The Amsterdam Chamber Orchestra in this famous historic version of the cantata BWV 206, quite enjoyable even today, both in terms of performance (among the soloists just the alto uses too much vibrato) and sound quality. I recall that Gustav Leonhardt sometimes played with Rieu, but I don't know if he plays the weak harpsichord continuo here.
Jürgen Jürgens was the Chorus master of the Monteverdi-Chor Hamburg, himself also an important pioneer of the early HIP movement.
Post by: madaboutmahler on March 24, 2012, 09:50:29 AM
Post by: Lisztianwagner on March 24, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Should be good:
Oh, I haven't listened to it yet, but if this one is as good as his other Shostakovich recordings, it's really brilliant! ;D
Post by: kishnevi on March 24, 2012, 06:01:23 PM
Assuming they are taking the right performances, which judging from the performers they are, then this is a very interesting one stop shop for Massenet. So many excellent performances if they take them: Fleming in Thais, the Werther with Carreras and co, Esclarmonde with Sutherland, Therese conducted by Bonynge - long out of print I think, Le Roi De Lahore also out of print (with Sutherland and Milnes, et al), etc. It could be a really high quality box.
EDIT: And presumably they will have the Don Quichotte with Kord conducting, which is outstanding, and was only available in a French edition for the most part. Ghiaurov is in that one, and he is listed.
Actually, Decca has just issued Esclarmonde as part of its new budget re-issue series of operas (I think the rubric is Decca Opera)--but not Roi de Lahore.
I had that Esclarmonde recording when it was first issued, and ended up giving it away. I simply wasn't taken with it. It was more in the line of a novelty (that's the one which Massenet wrote for the American soprano who could sing up to F above Mount Everest, or however high it actually was--Sutherland seemed to handle it with ease, of course). At that point Massenet's style wasn't really for me. I'm not sure if it is now, twenty five years or so later. The only Massenet opera I have now is Don Quichotte (the EMI recording with van Dam).
But one thing I'm sure of--for Esclarmonde at least you'll need either to be very fluent in French or have the libretto in hand as you listen to it.
And going by the JPC description, it only has orchestral music/ballet music from Le Cid and Cendrillon, not the full operas.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 24, 2012, 06:23:02 PM
Should be good:
Yes! It will be good! Especially considering how consistent this cycle has become. Symphony No. 2 is an amusing work that's full of experimentation and aggression. The twist of the work is when a chorus is used in the second movement. It's not a symphony that isn't discussed much but the more I listen to it, the more I like it. That first movement is absolutely furious. It reminds me of a charging bull --- that kind of anger. The 15th needs no introduction. It's an interesting symphony but it doesn't move me like Shostakovich's other ones. It's still a good symphony though and I do enjoy it.
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 24, 2012, 11:39:50 PM
Actually, Decca has just issued Esclarmonde as part of its new budget re-issue series of operas (I think the rubric is Decca Opera)--but not Roi de Lahore.Massenet has been growing on me in recent years, which is why this box interests me (that, and I had been considering some of these separately). So I will wait a few months to see what is really in it. Some of the librettos can be found online. Esclarmonde, for example, can be found at operamanager (which you can find via a wiki link).
I had that Esclarmonde recording when it was first issued, and ended up giving it away. I simply wasn't taken with it. It was more in the line of a novelty (that's the one which Massenet wrote for the American soprano who could sing up to F above Mount Everest, or however high it actually was--Sutherland seemed to handle it with ease, of course). At that point Massenet's style wasn't really for me. I'm not sure if it is now, twenty five years or so later. The only Massenet opera I have now is Don Quichotte (the EMI recording with van Dam).
But one thing I'm sure of--for Esclarmonde at least you'll need either to be very fluent in French or have the libretto in hand as you listen to it.
And going by the JPC description, it only has orchestral music/ballet music from Le Cid and Cendrillon, not the full operas.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on March 26, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
The Hobbit returns with The Might Oxford!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 26, 2012, 08:25:24 AM
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The Hobbit returns with The Might Oxford!
Excellent. I can't wait to tell Mrs. Rock. She'll be thrilled :D
Sarge
Post by: TheGSMoeller on March 26, 2012, 08:48:30 AM
Excellent. I can't wait to tell Mrs. Rock. She'll be thrilled :D
Sarge
Should be a good one. I thought I was pleased with my recordings of 92, but this one might need to join them.
Post by: Bulldog on March 26, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
Not a new release, but a reissue on the Helios label. I can't begin to tell you how uplifting I've found this disc for the many years I've owned it. Definitely one of the top ten recordings in my music library.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on March 26, 2012, 06:03:29 PM
James Bowman Sings Handel Heroic Arias/King's Consort/Robert King:
Not a new release, but a reissue on the Helios label. I can't begin to tell you how uplifting I've found this disc for the many years I've owned it. Definitely one of the top ten recordings in my music library.
I am not a big Handel fan, but your description sounds irresistible, Don. Additionally, Bowman is one of my favorite counter-tenors. Sold.
Post by: madaboutmahler on March 27, 2012, 08:17:39 AM
Will you be getting this, John?
Post by: The new erato on March 27, 2012, 10:10:42 AM
hmmmm....Is the pope catholic? Of course he will. Why delude ourselves?
Will you be getting this, John?
Post by: Mirror Image on March 28, 2012, 08:25:25 PM
hmmmm....
Will you be getting this, John?
Yes, I need 27 complete recordings of Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe. :D But seriously, it should be good. I'm not sure of the recording date, but this will be Haitink's third complete recording of this ballet. His first was with the BSO and his second was with the CSO.
Edit: Okay so I believe this is Haitink's first recording of this work as it was recorded in 1979. The BSO (on Philips) was released around 1990 or so. The newer CSO recording wasn't released too many years ago.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 28, 2012, 08:27:02 PM
Is the pope catholic? Of course he will. Why delude ourselves?
:P
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 29, 2012, 03:19:55 AM
. . . Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe. :D But seriously, it should be good. I'm not sure of the recording date, but this will be Haitink's third complete recording of this ballet. His first was with the BSO. . . .
Have you heard Levine's (relatively) recent Boston recording, John?
Post by: Mirror Image on March 29, 2012, 09:07:05 AM
Have you heard Levine's (relatively) recent Boston recording, John?
I own both of Levine's Daphnis performances (BPO, BSO). I wasn't too impressed with either one of them. In the newer BSO recording, I think he misses the climax of the famous "sunrise scene," which this is such an important part of the ballet that anything that isn't over-the-top just sounds wrong to my ears. This is where emotional excess is a must. This said, the sound of the BSO and recording itself is first-rate, but sound alone cannot save a performance for me. I'm glad I do own it though.
Post by: Brian on March 29, 2012, 03:51:50 PM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/chandoschsa5107.jpg)
At long last: a new recording of Mieczyslaw Weinberg's masterful cello concerto, one of my two favorite cello concertos of all time (alongside Dvorak). So far as I know there hasn't been one since Rostropovich, live and in mono. (http://www.amazon.com/Historic-Russian-Archives-Mstislav-Rostropovich/dp/B000B8WEKU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333065092&sr=8-2)
Post by: hemmesjo on March 29, 2012, 09:58:58 PM
Post by: Que on March 30, 2012, 11:41:28 PM
A 3CDset. The combination of Belder and CPE could work out well IMO.
Q
Post by: Que on March 30, 2012, 11:55:20 PM
Q
Post by: edward on March 31, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
Another I came across - presumably (hopefully) 1st part of a new series?It is, see: http://www.supraphon.com/en/about-us/hot-news/?item=764
Q
Also coming out next months: Sejna in Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert and Mahler; Turnovsky in Martinu's 4th (the only repertoire duplication in the initial issues) and a variety of others.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 31, 2012, 06:58:13 AM
http://www.amazon.de/Sinfonische-Werke-V-Neumann/dp/B0077DDWEE/ref=sr_1_11?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1333205254&sr=1-11
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AP5Ksa6xL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Sarge
Post by: Brian on March 31, 2012, 11:37:29 AM
Not part of that series but something to look forward to: Supraphon has bundled together much of Neumann's Dvorak. To be released in Germany on 20 April:
http://www.amazon.de/Sinfonische-Werke-V-Neumann/dp/B0077DDWEE/ref=sr_1_11?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1333205254&sr=1-11
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AP5Ksa6xL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Sarge
It's my understanding that the symphonies cycle contained therein is not the cycle that Supraphon previously issued in another box set. Apparently it's an earlier set which has never before appeared on CD, just vinyl. I wonder if any Dvorakians around these parts can testify to differences between the sets, and the qualities of this version?
EDIT: From the official description:
"Alongside the Symphonic Poems and Concert Overtures, Supraphon is releasing for the first time on CD Václav Neumanns sensitively remastered 1972-74 analogue recordings of the complete symphonies (until now, only the digital recordings from the 1980s had been released on CD)."
Post by: Drasko on March 31, 2012, 12:45:43 PM
It's my understanding that the symphonies cycle contained therein is not the cycle that Supraphon previously issued in another box set. Apparently it's an earlier set which has never before appeared on CD, just vinyl. I wonder if any Dvorakians around these parts can testify to differences between the sets, and the qualities of this version?
EDIT: From the official description:
"Alongside the Symphonic Poems and Concert Overtures, Supraphon is releasing for the first time on CD Václav Neumanns sensitively remastered 1972-74 analogue recordings of the complete symphonies (until now, only the digital recordings from the 1980s had been released on CD)."
Neumann's analogue cycle has been out on CD before, in Japan, both as a box and some as singles. I have the single disc with 7th and 8th and can testify to their excellence, but not to the differences as I don't have digital ones.
you could try clips (for the analogue set)
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/1940615
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3853789
Post by: Brian on March 31, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on March 31, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
but two discs of orchestral Debussy from the Royal Scottish National Orchestra and Stéphane Denève
This should be good. :) Deneve is a good conductor as proven by his Roussel on Naxos.
Post by: Brian on March 31, 2012, 07:42:50 PM
This should be good. :) Deneve is a good conductor as proven by his Roussel on Naxos.
I saw him do La mer live (also Ravel's La valse). Let's just say it was a religious experience. 0:)
(Although that might be the wrong descriptor; he tends more to the thrilling than the solemn!)
Post by: Mirror Image on March 31, 2012, 07:49:23 PM
I saw him do La mer live (also Ravel's La valse). Let's just say it was a religious experience. 0:)
(Although that might be the wrong descriptor; he tends more to the thrilling than the solemn!)
I'm sure it was a wonderful experience. I wish he'd come conduct Debussy and Ravel in Atlanta. :(
Post by: jlaurson on April 01, 2012, 02:03:55 AM
I'm sure it was a wonderful experience. I wish he'd come conduct Debussy and Ravel in Atlanta. :(
He's thought of rather highly by some I will listen to... like Tim Page who liked his first concert in DC, a Verdi Requiem (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2005/03/verdis-requiem-at-kennedy-center.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2005/03/verdis-requiem-at-kennedy-center.html)), much better than I. I've heard him in concert a couple times since, and he's not done it for me yet. Not in Berlioz at least (http://ionarts.blogspot.de/2012/03/ionarts-at-large-berlioz-damnation.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.de/2012/03/ionarts-at-large-berlioz-damnation.html)), whom he seemed to know and love too much. Though the time before that, n Szymanowski et al., he was active part of a superb concert. (http://ionarts.blogspot.de/2011/03/ionarts-at-large-zimmermann-brso-do.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.de/2011/03/ionarts-at-large-zimmermann-brso-do.html)). Christian Merlin (Figaro) considered him "the most brilliant [French] conductor under 40 years old", back when he was actually under 40. (2005)
I'm much looking forward to what he'll make in his capacity of successor to Roger Norrington at the Stuttgart SWRO, though... and I enjoy some of his Naxos recordings.
Post by: Mirror Image on April 01, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
I'm much looking forward to what he'll make in his capacity of successor to Roger Norrington at the Stuttgart SWRO, though... and I enjoy some of his Naxos recordings.
I really dislike Norrington and I'm glad he's leaving. I really hope Deneve conducts some Koechlin since Stuttgart Radio Symphony have performed so much of his music under Holliger. Now, they'll have a French conductor. I'm drooling at the very thought of another complete Jungle Book recording. That would be something else.
Post by: eyeresist on April 01, 2012, 07:51:59 PM
EDIT: I looked at the DHM site and could find no mention.
Post by: jlaurson on April 02, 2012, 03:14:54 AM
I really dislike Norrington and I'm glad he's leaving. I really hope Deneve conducts some Koechlin since Stuttgart Radio Symphony have performed so much of his music under Holliger. Now, they'll have a French conductor. I'm drooling at the very thought of another complete Jungle Book recording. That would be something else.
What do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon. Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 03:21:00 AM
. . . I really hope Deneve conducts some Koechlin . . . .
TWU!
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 02, 2012, 03:24:03 AM
What do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon. Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.
One of the best Mahler 9th I've heard, but then, of course I'm not Madaboutmahler, more like Okwithmahler. ;D
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 03:34:38 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 03:41:13 AM
okwithmahler! I like it!
::)
Concerning Norrington's Mahler recordings... I haven't heard any of them yet. Although I am rather interested to, even if I am rather shocked by the fact that Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording! :o
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 02, 2012, 03:58:35 AM
Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording! :o
Almost ten minutes shorter? It must be one of the fastest 4th movements ever recorded! :o I wonder what it is like.....
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 04:07:10 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 04:10:28 AM
Almost ten minutes shorter? It must be one of the fastest 4th movements ever recorded! :o I wonder what it is like.....
Certainly is hard to believe! I looked on amazon at the timings, and it said the last movement came to just over 19 minutes... was quite a shock! I do wonder also what it is like though....
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 02, 2012, 04:17:33 AM
Post by: The new erato on April 02, 2012, 04:20:22 AM
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.A friend of mine to whom I played this movement in a Karajan version, referred to it as "please kill me" music.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 04:28:55 AM
Post by: Lethevich on April 02, 2012, 04:29:20 AM
What do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon. Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 04:30:27 AM
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.
I've not heard his Mendelssohn, but I can certainly see this.
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 04:38:36 AM
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.
Well, I am certainly curious to hear it!
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 02, 2012, 04:47:13 AM
His Mendelssohn is super too, although a lot don't seem to agree with this view.
Also, Norrington's Berlioz Requiem SACD with SWR is phenomenal, was recorded live from a single performance, the Angus Dei from this disc is heavenly.
Post by: Opus106 on April 02, 2012, 04:47:36 AM
Well, I am certainly curious to hear it!
You can watch and listen to the whole Proms performance on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JMGZYI-9DA). Not the best recording to consider, though, if you're audiophilic.
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 04:54:46 AM
You can watch and listen to the whole Proms performance on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JMGZYI-9DA). Not the best recording to consider, though, if you're audiophilic.
Thank you for this Navneeth. I did watch the Rondo from this performance, which was excellent. Shall make sure to take a listen to the other movements soon.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 04:57:32 AM
A friend of mine to whom I played this movement in a Karajan version, referred to it as "please kill me" music.
Ah, the classic Von Karajan Effect
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for ;D
Seriously, it's my favorite version.
Sarge
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:02:16 AM
I really dislike Norrington and I'm glad he's leaving.
I'm sorry to see him go. His Stuttgart recordings of Bruckner, Mahler, Haydn, Beethoven, Mendelssohn are some of the most thrilling music making I've heard this century.
Sarge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:03:36 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 05:06:05 AM
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for ;D
Seriously, it's my favorite version.
Sarge
+1!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:08:02 AM
Yeah, but he doesn't do Koechlin or Tippett, so what use is he, Sarge? ; )
Those're just MI's flavor of the month (and last month). Give me the true classics ;)
Sarge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:08:43 AM
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for ;D
Seriously, it's my favorite version.
Sarge
Is that the live version I've got in the box, Sarge? September 1982.
Still need to cue that baby up . . . .
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:09:59 AM
Aw, those're just MI's flavor of the month (and last month). Give me the true classics ;)
Sarge
I really like the samples of the Norrington Haydn set (the Salonika symphonies) . . . .
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 02, 2012, 05:10:18 AM
Well, Karajan's M9 is to die for ;D
Seriously, it's my favorite version.
Sarge
+1!
+2!! ;D
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:10:45 AM
Is that the live version I've got in the box, Sarge? September 1982.
Still need to cue that baby up . . . .
Affirmative.
Sarge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:11:12 AM
+2!! ;D
TWU! : )
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:15:27 AM
I really like the samples of the Norrington Haydn set (the Salonika symphonies) . . . .
Norrington's Stuttgart Londons are the only performances I've ever heard that make me question my 40-year-long allegiance to Szell's Londons. Not that everyone will have the same reaction, but I think his Haydn is stunning.
Sarge
Post by: mc ukrneal on April 02, 2012, 05:16:47 AM
I'm sorry to see him go. His Stuttgart recordings of Bruckner, Mahler, Haydn, Beethoven, Mendelssohn are some of the most thrilling music making I've heard this century.Me too. With Norrington, you have to expect he'll have a flame out or two. But on the flip side, he will do something that has never been heard in our lifetime. Not everyone wants something that unique, but it's part of what makes him special
Sarge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:20:18 AM
Affirmative.
Sarge
That is absolutely an actionable piece of intelligence . . . but I could not possibly do Gustav to-day. To-morrow, for certain. (I'm adding it to my smart-phone calendar . . . .)
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:22:07 AM
Me too. With Norrington, you have to expect he'll have a flame out or two. But on the flip side, he will do something that has never been heard in our lifetime....it's part of what makes him special
Exactly. But I realize not every is looking for, or appreciates, something completely different. But for me, artists like Norrington make the classical music world so much more interesting.
sarge
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 02, 2012, 05:24:21 AM
That is absolutely an actionable piece of intelligence . . . but I could not possibly do Gustav to-day. To-morrow, for certain. (I'm adding it to my smart-phone calendar . . . .)
If it's possible, Karl, try to hear it without distractions. M9 needs concentration. I know finding a free hour and half is difficult. But if you can...
Sarge
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:32:40 AM
If it's possible, Karl, try to hear it without distractions. M9 needs concentration. I know finding a free hour and half is difficult. But if you can...
Sarge
Oh, exactly. I'm already sold on the piece, one of many benefits of having had Jimmy here in Boston . . . agreed that the piece merits its own space . . . .
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 05:42:26 AM
If it's possible, Karl, try to hear it without distractions. M9 needs concentration. I know finding a free hour and half is difficult. But if you can...
Sarge
Yes.... one of the reasons I don't get to listen to M9 in full often....
I'm glad I don't though - as I only get to listen to it in full once every few months, maybe 3 or 4 times a year, it makes that listening session all the more special. :)
Oh, exactly. I'm already sold on the piece, one of many benefits of having had Jimmy here in Boston . . . agreed that the piece merits its own space . . . .
Glad to hear this, Karl!
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 02, 2012, 05:44:19 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 02, 2012, 05:48:44 AM
Soon you'll be retiring that hammer permanently, Daniel! ; )
For punishment purposes at least! ;) (see listening thread)
Post by: kishnevi on April 02, 2012, 03:47:02 PM
I've mentioned this before here, but I prefer a swifter fourth movement from the 9th, to me it creates a feeling of hope rather than brooding despair, I find some lines getting lost in slower paced performances, Boulez and Norrington offer the swiftest I've heard an those are two I listen to the most.
Zinman achieves the hope and serenity effect, and keeps it up for 28'46. Which is probably why it's currently my favorite recording of the 9th.
OTOH, Bruno Walter in 1938 outdoes Norrington: 18'20
The total time for that performance was 70'13.
Barshai with Moscow Radio SO--20'52 (it's on BIS, and I'm pretty sure it's OOP. Sadko was the one who originally posted it.) Maderna with BBC SO--21'28. I like them, but not enough that they're my favorites.
I do like Norrington's Mahler, with the exception of the 2nd, and I'll have to give that a rehearing sometime or other, since the 2nd is either my most favorite or second favorite Mahler (it alternates with the Ninth depending on which one I've listened to most recently), and for me not to like a performance of the 2nd is very odd indeed.
Post by: eyeresist on April 02, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
Concerning Norrington's Mahler recordings... I haven't heard any of them yet. Although I am rather interested to, even if I am rather shocked by the fact that Norrington's M9 adagio appears to be nearly 10 minutes shorter than another other recording! :oHis timings slightly exceed those of Walter's 1938 recording.
Norrington: I 26.02 II 14.06 III 12.37 IV 19.24
Walter 1938: I 24.43 II 15.34 III 11.12 IV 18.07
Post by: kishnevi on April 02, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
His timings slightly exceed those of Walter's 1938 recording.
Walter 1938: I 24.43 II 15.34 III 11.12 IV 18.07
I have it in the remastering issued by Dutton; their timings are minimally longer--a total of 25 seconds:
I 24.47 II 15.41 III 11.13 IV. 18.20
Post by: Mirror Image on April 02, 2012, 05:23:40 PM
What do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon. Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.
I've just never heard anything from Norrington that has impressed me. I also don't care for his approach to music. I'm sorry if Mahler or Bruckner didn't want vibrato in their music then they would have notated it in their scores, otherwise, it's just tampering with the music IMHO. I'm not opposed different approaches to playing the music but no vibrato in Romantic music should be a sin. :)
Post by: jlaurson on April 03, 2012, 12:50:38 AM
QuoteWhat do you so dislike about Norrington? That he has a shtick (non vibrato) and that he rides that home, ad nauseam?I've just never heard anything from Norrington that has impressed me. I also don't care for his approach to music. I'm sorry if Mahler or Bruckner didn't want vibrato in their music then they would have notated it in their scores, otherwise, it's just tampering with the music IMHO. I'm not opposed different approaches to playing the music but no vibrato in Romantic music should be a sin. :)
I've heard terrible concerts with him, where he tried to bring that approach to an orchestra that simply didn't know what to do with it, or how. (Bruckner 4th with the NSO, like I'd never want to hear again.) But with his orchestra, he achieved some really memorable things. They figured it out eventually and pulled along most admirably. And their playing is all the better for it, I'd reckon. Especially some of his last recordings, Bruckner 6th, Mahler 9th, are simply superb.
I'm particularly interested if the orchestra can or will keep some of its now unique abilities under Deneve or if he just flips the perma-sumptuousness on again.
I don't believe in sins, when it feels good. :D
Well, let's amend that to music. I'm not a complete hedonist, after all. I like Norrington's flat-out Taruskinesque admission that he's not doing this primarily for historicist sake, but because he wants to make music for contemporary tastes. (Albeit informed--misinformed as others might claim--by HPP.) Norrington's kernel of an argument is of course that M & B didn't expect perma-rubato, so chastising them for for not indicating that they didn't want it is like blaming Bach for not explicitly stating that he did not want amplification used for his soloists.
Post by: eyeresist on April 04, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
I prefer Norrington's argument that he just likes the sound of "pure tone" strings. I do too (though not exclusively!).
Post by: chasmaniac on April 05, 2012, 03:09:52 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before... DHM are apparently bringing out a "Sigiswald Kuijken Edition (http://www.amazon.com/Sigiswald-Kuijken-Edition/dp/B007AR7QZI/ref=sr_1_sc_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1333340453&sr=1-4-spell)". There are placeholder entries at various online sellers, but NO details of the contents. Amazon release date is given as 15 May 2012. As a great admirer of Kuijken's Haydn symphonies on Virgin, I'm hoping this will mean a lot of good recordings available for cheap!
EDIT: I looked at the DHM site and could find no mention.
We have cover art now, and if you squint you can read a list of composers on it.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 05, 2012, 03:17:42 AM
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 07, 2012, 03:14:44 AM
Very enticing, indeed.
Post by: (: premont :) on April 07, 2012, 08:15:18 AM
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Very enticing, indeed.
Hopefully it will be available through Abeille.
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 08, 2012, 05:21:55 AM
(http://www.naive.fr/public/img/front/pho/works/450x450/005608.jpg)
Post by: kishnevi on April 08, 2012, 07:07:20 AM
A recent addition to the Vivaldi Edition (Naïve):
(http://www.naive.fr/public/img/front/pho/works/450x450/005608.jpg)
While looking for that on Amazon US (and at the moment finding it only as an MP3 download,.although I'm still doing a search) I found this one
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515ml7eCzPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
US release date 24 April.
Post by: Brian on April 08, 2012, 07:17:00 AM
Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra; Music for Str, Pc, Celesta. Baltimore/Alsop
Castelnuovo-Tedesco, Piano Concertos 1 and 2. Alessandro Marangoni, piano; Malmo SO/Mogrelia
Górecki, Concerto-Cantata for piano and flute; Harpsichord Concerto (piano version). Anna Górecka, piano; Warsaw/Wit
Lopes-Graça, orchestral music. Fernando Lopes-Graça was one of the most prolific Portuguese composers of the 20th century. His use of Portuguese folk-music to forge a personal style is represented in the Suite Rústica No 1. More sombre moods are expressed in the dark atmosphere of December Poem, which contrasts with the extrovert Festival March. Neo-classical in its extended structures and thematic development, Lopes-Graça’s award-winning Symphony maintains an unmistakable connection with the colours and textures of his nation to create music of great expressive and dramatic depth.
Shostakovich, Symphonies 2 and 15. Liverpool/Petrenko
Also look for Britten songs, Delius' "A Mass of Life," concertos by Beethoven contemporary Simon Mayr, and Beethoven's "Choral Fantasy."
And an interesting note from Naxos CEO Klaus Heymann:
"We agreed with Chandos to split the project of recording the complete symphonies of Weinberg between us and this is the first installment of the Naxos part of the project. Naxos will record symphonies Nos. 2, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 22 and Chandos has recorded or will record the remaining 11. All 11 symphonies will be recorded by the St. Peterburg State Symphony, conducted by Vladimir Lande except symphonies Nos. 8 and 9 which will be recorded by the Warsaw Philharmonic, conducted by Antoni Wit."
Post by: Lethevich on April 08, 2012, 10:55:18 PM
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 09, 2012, 02:14:34 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 18, 2012, 09:45:33 AM
Anyone heard it yet?
Post by: Brian on April 19, 2012, 05:02:45 PM
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 19, 2012, 05:08:48 PM
Pretty exciting: Andreas Staier is coming out with a new recording of the Diabelli Variations (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Harmonia%2BMundi/HMC902091), which includes as filler the variations composed by Czerny, Hummel, Schubert, an 11-year-old Liszt, Mozart's son, Kalkbrenner, Moscheles - and one Andreas Staier. Fortepiano after Conrad Graf.
Nice cover! :)
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 21, 2012, 05:10:26 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5028421943312.jpg)
Post by: Mirror Image on April 25, 2012, 07:19:17 AM
It's been a LONG wait on this Koechlin recording. Glad to see it's finally seeing the light of day.
Another 20th Century Portuguese composer. That's all I need to know. :)
I've been wanting to explore Krenek's symphonies for quite some time and this CPO set looks like a good introduction.
This needs no explanation.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 25, 2012, 07:54:22 AM
I've been wanting to explore Krenek's symphonies for quite some time and this CPO set looks like a good introduction.
Interesting. My curiosity is poised to be piqued.
Post by: Mirror Image on April 25, 2012, 07:55:52 AM
Interesting. My curiosity is poised to be piqued.
Have you heard any of Krenek's music, Karl?
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 25, 2012, 08:22:28 AM
Post by: The new erato on April 25, 2012, 08:53:33 AM
Not (or, hardly) a note, John. I've know of Jonny spielt auf! forever . . . and, since that did not sound at all my thing, I probably categorized Krenek as Not For Me at an early stage. I see that the later symphonies were written in the '40s, though . . . would be interested in giving them a listen.Krenek is a very versatile composer, and I don't regard the Johnny spielt auf as typical at all. There's a wonderful disc of choral works on Harmonia Mundi Gold under Marcus Creed that you really should try.
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on April 25, 2012, 08:59:56 AM
Interesting. My curiosity is poised to be piqued.
I have the complete set of Krenek Symphonies Karl, and I think they are worth your attention!
Post by: Mirror Image on April 25, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
Not (or, hardly) a note, John. I've know of Jonny spielt auf! forever . . . and, since that did not sound at all my thing, I probably categorized Krenek as Not For Me at an early stage. I see that the later symphonies were written in the '40s, though . . . would be interested in giving them a listen.
You can go to YouTube and sample some of his symphonies. The user WelleszCompany has a bunch of Krenek's music uploaded.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on April 25, 2012, 01:45:52 PM
This needs no explanation.
Ooo, a 19-minute final movement for DSCH 15th, sold!
(gosh I'm a sucker for this piece)
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 27, 2012, 04:53:49 PM
(http://www.aeolus-music.com/var/shop_site/storage/images/all-discs/ae10057-bach-johann-sebastian-concerti-a-cembalo-concertato-vol.1/25283-1-eng-GB/AE10057-Bach-Johann-Sebastian-Concerti-a-Cembalo-concertato-Vol.1_medium.jpg)
Quote
Introduction:
In 2012, too, there are prominent treasures to be found: Aapo Häkkinen plays Bach’s Concertos for solo harpsichord and strings – the crown jewels of the harpsichord and piano literature – on a 16’ harpsichord, that is to say, an instrument with an additional, very low sounding register. Although Bach probably used a similar harpsichord himself, this is the first recording of this cycle of works on an instrument of this kind built in a historical manner!
Vol. 2 will contain: BWV 1054, 1055, and 1057. The Helsinki Baroque Orchestra plays one on a part, and is obliged to the best Baroque traditions. As an “encore,” so to speak, the CD also contains Bach’s famous Italian Concerto for harpsichord solo – on the 16’ instrument, it is an amazing sonic experience!
http://www.aeolus-music.com/ae_en/All-Discs/AE10057-Bach-Johann-Sebastian-Concerti-a-Cembalo-concertato-Vol.1
Post by: Antoine Marchand on April 29, 2012, 01:56:46 PM
(http://www.abeillemusique.com/images/references/dhr79856.jpg)
(http://www.abeillemusique.com/images/references/dhr79856dos.jpg)
UE: Abeille Musique
USA: Allegro Music
:)
Post by: Brian on April 30, 2012, 08:27:23 AM
Coming in August 2012: Turangalila Symphony with the Bergen PO, Juan Jose Mena (cond.), Steven Osborne (piano), Cynthia Millar (ondes martenot) (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67816&vw=dc)
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 30, 2012, 08:29:07 AM
Post by: jlaurson on April 30, 2012, 08:54:48 AM
Logging in from work for an alert: Hyperion has once again scored a recording of a Gigantic Orchestral Behemoth.
Coming in August 2012: Turangalila Symphony with the Bergen PO, Juan Jose Mena (cond.), Steven Osborne (piano), Cynthia Millar (ondes martenot) (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67816&vw=dc)
Not quite as special (and not half the size) as the Gothic, though... given that there are more than a dozen of (largely) excellent recordings of it already available. (Chailly (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000004214/goodmusicguide-20), Chung (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001GF6/goodmusicguide-20), Previn (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0018OAP5C/goodmusicguide-20), Ozawa (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001TSWM8/goodmusicguide-20), Rattle (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007RA7BS/goodmusicguide-20), Nagano (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056NA1/goodmusicguide-20), Janowski (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000003FEO/goodmusicguide-20), Wit (!) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004WJVS/goodmusicguide-20), Tortelier (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000AFTQ/goodmusicguide-20), Salonen (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000026FH/goodmusicguide-20), Cambreling (!) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001E4S0X0/goodmusicguide-20), and whoever else I'm overlooking (like T.Fischer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000NNCNKO/goodmusicguide-20) or H.Vonk (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000W1V3SK/goodmusicguide-20) or De Froment (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000038A5/goodmusicguide-20) or Le Roux (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004VTK3/goodmusicguide-20)).
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 30, 2012, 08:59:36 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on May 02, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
I wonder what Alsop is like in Mahler. Any ideas?
Coming out around September in England... ;)
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
hmmmmm....
I wonder what Alsop is like in Mahler. Any ideas?
Coming out around September in England... ;)
Considering what I've heard from her, it's probably rhythmically slack and uninspired. I'd definitely pass on that disc, Daniel.
Post by: madaboutmahler on May 02, 2012, 12:52:02 PM
Considering what I've heard from her, it's probably rhythmically slack and uninspired. I'd definitely pass on that disc, Daniel.
Thank you for your advice, John. :)
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
Thank you for your advice, John. :)
Not only that but you're lacking a lot of Mahler classic recordings and you want to get something by Alsop? Don't worry, I'm here to set you straight. :D
Post by: madaboutmahler on May 02, 2012, 01:08:51 PM
Not only that but you're lacking a lot of Mahler classic recordings and you want to get something by Alsop? Don't worry, I'm here to set you straight. :D
haha, I can always trust you to do that, John! :)
Yes - and I really want the MTT cycle!!!!! :)
Post by: Brian on May 02, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
hmmmmm....
I wonder what Alsop is like in Mahler. Any ideas?
Coming out around September in England... ;)
Glorious cover. I saw her Mahler One live with the Houston Symphony; it was a few years ago, when I was less enthused about Mahler, but her way with the finale had a clarity, shape, and energy about it that, along with Kubelik/audite, finally sold me on that movement. In fact her energy was what I remembered most about it, besides the feeling of "ah! I finally get it."
That said, I don't know that she+Baltimore are the most inspired pairing for new recordings... having seen Wit/Warsaw do 3 last year, I can tell you that if they had Wit re-record a couple of the symphonies to go with his newish 8th the results would be spellbinding.
P.S. A September release? How'd you find out about it? I only know the Naxos releases through June. Speaking of Naxos in June...
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8572482.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos857274546.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8572748.jpg)
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos857286162.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8572914.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8573029.jpg)
Oh, now looking at Amazon UK I see these:
RAVEL: Orchestral Music Vol. 1 (Naxos: 8572887)
1. Alborada del gracioso
2. Pavane pour une infante défunte
3. Boléro
4. Rapsodie espagnole
5. Piece en forme de Habanera
6. Shéhérazade
7. Menuet antique
Orchestre National de Lyon, Leonard Slatkin
November 2012
BERLIOZ: Symphonie fantastique (includes alternative version of Un bal with Cornet Obbligato) (Naxos: 8572886)
Orchestre National de Lyon, Leonard Slatkin
September 2012
...neither of which I am at all excited about :-X
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 02:12:28 PM
Glorious cover. I saw her Mahler One live with the Houston Symphony; it was a few years ago, when I was less enthused about Mahler, but her way with the finale had a clarity, shape, and energy about it that, along with Kubelik/audite, finally sold me on that movement. In fact her energy was what I remembered most about it, besides the feeling of "ah! I finally get it."
That said, I don't know that she+Baltimore are the most inspired pairing for new recordings... having seen Wit/Warsaw do 3 last year, I can tell you that if they had Wit re-record a couple of the symphonies to go with his newish 8th the results would be spellbinding.
P.S. A September release? How'd you find out about it? I only know the Naxos releases through June. Speaking of Naxos in June...
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8572482.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos857274546.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8572748.jpg)
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos857286162.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8572914.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8573029.jpg)
Perhaps live she's a different story, her recordings, on the other hand, would cure insomnia! I actually laughed at her performance of Bartok's The Miraculous Mandarin. Not a nice thing to do, but I just couldn't help myself.
Post by: Brian on May 02, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
Perhaps live she's a different story, her recordings, on the other hand, would cure insomnia! I actually laughed at her performance of Bartok's The Miraculous Mandarin. Not a nice thing to do, but I just couldn't help myself.
That may well be the case. I saw her 'Planets' live in London (coupled with Adams' Doctor Atomic Symphony) and it was on the fast and furious side of things, very exciting and showy. The Adams stole the show, though - a riveting experience. I hope they get her recording that.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 02, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Berg is largely covered elsewhere. Naxos should do a Mennin series!
No, they should finish their Diamond cycle first!!!!
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 03:19:01 PM
Berg is largely covered elsewhere. Naxos should do a Mennin series!
No, they should finish their Diamond cycle first!!!!
Wrong, both of you! A Henning cycle!!!
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 02, 2012, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 03:35:26 PM
Post by: Cato on May 02, 2012, 03:40:08 PM
Wrong, both of you! A Henning cycle!!!
What should be on the first NAXOS Henning offering?
I will vote for: Out In The Sun. Nuhro, Sonata for Viola and Piano, Song of Simeon, and two future works, one in progress, the Dostoyevsky ballet White Nights, and then a work that even Karl does not know that he is composing yet, but he will, namely Variations on Achy Breaky Heart :o for Krummhorn, Kazoo, and Prepared Kitchen Sink.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 02, 2012, 03:46:15 PM
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
What should be on the first NAXOS Henning offering?
one in progress, the Dostoyevsky ballet White Nights
YES!!! This is one work by Henning that I have been really wanting to hear.
Post by: Brian on May 02, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
Henning! The People Demand!
I know the American Classics producers used to take proposals or sample tapes from ready-to-go composer-performer combinations, but Klaus Heymann has said they have a backlog of recordings that's enough to keep releasing CDs for 2-3 years if they stop recording new projects tomorrow. Maybe Henning on Albany? Or Henning on Sono Luminus? Those guys are nice, I've been in touch with Sono Luminus over the past couple weeks about their ongoing Kernis string quartet project.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on May 02, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
What should be on the first NAXOS Henning offering?
I will vote for: Out In The Sun. Nuhro, Sonata for Viola and Piano, Song of Simeon, and two future works, one in progress, the Dostoyevsky ballet White Nights, and then a work that even Karl does not know that he is composing yet, but he will, namely Variations on Achy Breaky Heart :o for Krummhorn, Kazoo, and Prepared Kitchen Sink.
Out in the Sun for sure, my favorite from the Henningmusik collection.
Post by: edward on May 02, 2012, 04:56:50 PM
Out in the Sun for sure, my favorite from the Henningmusik collection.I'd certainly spend my hard-earned dollar on a commercial issue.
One good development with Naxos is that Heynmann has sort-of-promised Antoni Wit conducting Bacewicz and further Gorecki.
Agreed that completing the Diamond series would be nice, not to mention clearing up the sundry unrecorded Schuman orchestral works.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 05:07:42 PM
not to mention clearing up the sundry unrecorded Schuman orchestral works.
YES!!! :)
Post by: Brian on May 02, 2012, 06:30:23 PM
One good development with Naxos is that Heynmann has sort-of-promised Antoni Wit conducting Bacewicz and further Gorecki.
He doubled down on that in another interview last month. “Yes. We work well with Antoni Wit and the Polish Radio Symphony and Warsaw Philharmonic. We have Szymanowski and Lutosławski complete, and we are working on Penderecki, who keeps composing new works. Naxos’s exposure has made those three mainstream already. I am now looking ahead to the lesser known Karłowicz, Górecki and Bacewicz.”
Wit will also do one of the Weinberg symphony discs and (unrelated) the complete choral works of Dvorak. Wit himself has hinted there is Moniuszko and Panufnik in the pipeline.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 02, 2012, 06:58:16 PM
He doubled down on that in another interview last month. “Yes. We work well with Antoni Wit and the Polish Radio Symphony and Warsaw Philharmonic. We have Szymanowski and Lutosławski complete, and we are working on Penderecki, who keeps composing new works. Naxos’s exposure has made those three mainstream already. I am now looking ahead to the lesser known Karłowicz, Górecki and Bacewicz.”
Wit will also do one of the Weinberg symphony discs and (unrelated) the complete choral works of Dvorak. Wit himself has hinted there is Moniuszko and Panufnik in the pipeline.
I'd be anxious to hear more of Bacewicz's music. I disliked the Hyperion recording with Corp immensely. The Chandos recordings of the VCs were quite good though.
Post by: edward on May 03, 2012, 07:18:05 AM
I'd be anxious to hear more of Bacewicz's music. I disliked the Hyperion recording with Corp immensely. The Chandos recordings of the VCs were quite good though.Yeah, by comparison to the Polish recordings I've heard the Hyperion was a bit of a turkey. Even Penderecki (no Antoni Wit, he) was able to get infinitely more out of Music for Strings, Trumpets and Percussion than Corp. Not to mention the orchestral works of hers that I've never even heard of a commercial recording of: from the last 10 years of her life alone (my favourite period in her output) there's the 2nd cello concerto, Musica sinfonica, Contradizione, In Una Parte, Acropolis and a couple of ballets.
Post by: madaboutmahler on May 03, 2012, 07:22:32 AM
Glorious cover. I saw her Mahler One live with the Houston Symphony; it was a few years ago, when I was less enthused about Mahler, but her way with the finale had a clarity, shape, and energy about it that, along with Kubelik/audite, finally sold me on that movement. In fact her energy was what I remembered most about it, besides the feeling of "ah! I finally get it."
That said, I don't know that she+Baltimore are the most inspired pairing for new recordings... having seen Wit/Warsaw do 3 last year, I can tell you that if they had Wit re-record a couple of the symphonies to go with his newish 8th the results would be spellbinding.
P.S. A September release? How'd you find out about it? I only know the Naxos releases through June. Speaking of Naxos in June...
Thanks for sharing that with us, Brian. :) Oh yes, certainly a beautiful cover...
I just found it on Amazon. I was searching recordings of Mahler 1 to start thinking about the Blind Comparison I will be setting up for that symphony (after the current one for Mahler 6) and this new release came up as one of the listed recordings!
Wrong, both of you! A Henning cycle!!!
Yes! :)
Post by: jlaurson on May 03, 2012, 11:54:55 AM
hmmmmm....
I wonder what Alsop is like in Mahler. Any ideas?
Coming out around September in England... ;)
Annoying to watch, boring to listen to?
From reviews I tend to trust, in that they reflect my experience with Alsop, esp. in such repertoire:
M9
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As a conductor, Alsop has a fairly limited vocabulary of gestures, with a default setting of bouncy and agitated and a left hand that is constantly moving, often only in a mirror pattern of her beat hand. In her reading of the ninth symphony the transitions between sections and tempi often seemed awkward, more forced than organic and therefore not always unified. The first movement, thought to be on the theme of farewell because of the constant reference to a motif from Beethoven's "Les Adieux" sonata (as noted in fine program notes by Janet E. Bedell), was contained and gentle in Alsop's reading, only to be pushed ahead a little too nervously. An odd overemphasis of offbeats unbalanced the second movement, and a similar Bernsteinesque electricity was evident in the rough-and-tumble third movement, making the Burleske overly grotesque.
The fourth movement did not feel rushed as much as soupy, with emoted gestures from Alsop, who laid it on pretty thick. It suggested a conclusion that was superficially sad, rather than a deep tragedy welling up from within. La Grange notes that the principal theme sounds like a hymn, and others have suggested that it could have been modeled on Nearer My God to Thee or another hymn that Mahler may have heard in New York. The best interpretation, like Sinopoli's, lets the thread of grief pull itself from the spool at its own pace, until the almost voiceless quotation or allusion to Kindertotenlieder near the end. In spite of these shortcomings, the playing of the BSO continues to improve, with spartan brass throughout, especially in the horn section, and fine winds, especially the double reeds.
M2
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Alsop’s tempo choices were often distorted, such as overly slow funeral march sections in the first movement and an overly fast third movement. This mannered approach helped neither ensemble unity nor the sense of overall line through the symphony. Most successful was the delicate second movement, an unruffled, nostalgic Landler that bordered on the shmaltzy in its evocation of a memory of the world left behind.
Post by: madaboutmahler on May 03, 2012, 12:32:24 PM
Annoying to watch, boring to listen to?
From reviews I tend to trust, in that they reflect my experience with Alsop, esp. in such repertoire:
M9
M2
Thank you for sharing those reviews, Jens! :)
I'll probably pass on this recording. I'll just save up for the MTT cycle instead. :D
Post by: edward on May 03, 2012, 02:15:13 PM
I'm sure she's done better since, but I certainly don't associate her with compelling interpretations of the mainstream repertoire.
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
I don't recall nuance being on the menu at all.
This may be why the best conducting I've seen from her live was in the Planets.
I'm not a total Alsop-hater; I love her Barber live and on CD, I thought her Bernstein Mass was terrific, I'd like to hear more Adams CDs, and there was one Brahms symphony recording that wasn't a waste of time. But the rest of the Brahms, and the Dvorak, suggest no particular affinity for core repertoire...
Post by: knight66 on May 04, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
The resounding reaction at the end emphasises the delight at what was a historic run of performances for the piece, bringing it out in to the light. I cannot recommend the discs enough.
Mike
Post by: The new erato on May 04, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
The Glyndbourne production of Handel's oratorio 'Theodora' won a huge number of friends for the piece, mainly through the issue of DVDs of the production. I waited long for the CDs and gave up a long time ago. However, this month a sound only issue has been made from the DVD performance. The sound has been worked on I gather, certainly, although it is clear that it is live, there is little to distract from the intense drama and the superb musical performance. This is possibly the most treasured performance by Lorraine Hunt Lieberson. Together with the counter tenor David Daniels and Dawn Upshaw, we are given by far the most intense experience I can imagine of this wonderful piece. Everyone is working at the top of thir form. I have listened through three times and it still leaves me stunned at the close. One critic at the first night wrote something along the lines of.....this little known piece unearthed a string of jaw dropping lay beautiful arias that left the audience in rapture.I have the DVD set, as well as Christies CD set on Erato, and have even seen it semistaged here in Bergen. It is a stunning work that demonstrates for all doubters why Handel deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Bach, and why he is a composer of dramatic works on the level of Mozart and Wagner.
The resounding reaction at the end emphasises the delight at what was a historic run of performances for the piece, bringing it out in to the light. I cannot recommend the discs enough.
Mike
Post by: Lethevich on May 05, 2012, 09:21:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Ufwrx.jpg)
It's out in August and looks neato. (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67910&vw=dc)
Post by: Que on May 05, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
This would go in the "recordings you are looking forward to" thread, but, etc...:
So, you're looking forward to this new release? ;D
(For those out of the loop: that used the be the name of this very thread)
Q
Post by: chasmaniac on May 07, 2012, 03:22:11 AM
We have cover art now, and if you squint you can read a list of composers on it.
Arkiv now lists the contents: http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=733915 (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=733915)
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 07, 2012, 03:31:37 AM
Arkiv now lists the contents: http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=733915 (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=733915)
Groovy, thanks!
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 07, 2012, 03:32:16 AM
Out in the Sun for sure, my favorite from the Henningmusik collection.
Thank you!
Post by: Mirror Image on May 07, 2012, 05:58:55 AM
This would go in the "recordings you are looking forward to" thread, but, etc...:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ufwrx.jpg)
It's out in August and looks neato. (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67910&vw=dc)
Awesome, Lethe! I'm definitely buying this! Bloch is a favorite of mine.
Post by: Mirror Image on May 07, 2012, 10:47:06 AM
Comes out June 12th in the US.
Post by: The new erato on May 07, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
Post by: Brian on May 07, 2012, 01:50:31 PM
Arkiv now lists the contents: http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=733915 (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=733915)
10 CDs for $23? I have interest in only 3-4 of the works but at that price and with performers I love as much as those...
Post by: Lethevich on May 07, 2012, 09:24:18 PM
Awesome, Lethe! I'm definitely buying this! Bloch is a favorite of mine.
I am especially interested because these are all warhorse pieces, but especially the Bloch are no longer recorded very often. So there are tons of recordings from the 50s-80s, but one in modern sound would be great.
Post by: North Star on May 07, 2012, 10:14:46 PM
Russian pianist Alexei Lubimov, recognised as an outstanding advocate of post-Soviet composition – performing Schnittke, Part, and Silvestrov amongst his acclaimed ECM New Series recordings – now turns his talents to Debussy in the year of the 150th anniversary of his birth. On this 2-CD set Lubimov plays both books of Préludes and, with his young student Alexei Zuev, the Trois Nocturnes in Ravel's two-piano transcription as well as a two-piano arrangement of Debussy's seminal orchestral masterpiece, Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune. Debussy decried the concept of musical impressionism because he feared, rightly, that superficial refinement would degenerate into musical mist, concealing the subtleties of a new musical idiom and its structural logic. So, for example, instead of heading his 24 Préludes with programmatic titles, he appended them at the bottom of the individual pieces. Even though their popularity makes it almost impossible, perhaps listeners ought simply to forget about the titles and recall something else that Debussy once said: "Music is a free art gushing forth, an open-air art boundless as the elements, the wind, the sky, the sea." It is in this manner – sans rigeur, as Debussy repeatedly marked his music – that Lubimov performs the Préludes. Searching for an inspiring special sound – he wanted to hear Debussy in a different timbral guise, cloaked in early 20th-century colours – Lubimov "stumbled on two excellent pianos that truly seduced me and breathed fresh life into the music. The stunning beauty and nobility of their sound and their highly distinctive voices prompted me to find new solutions and gave me new levels of pleasure. I decided to record the two volumes of Préludes on two different pianos: a 1925 Bechstein clear, sharply etched, translucent and light, even in complex textures) and a Steinway from 1913 (divinely soft in pianissimo, resonant and marvellously suitable for unexpected colours). It is said that the great Polish pianist Paderewski chose this Steinway and played it in his recitals."
And this, too:
Dennis Russell Davies has had a long-running and highly productive association with the Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra – documented on exceptional ECM recordings of repertoire from Mozart via Stravinsky and Part to Kancheli – and is currently the orchestra's Conductor Laureate. Here he leads them through spirited performances of Bartok's Divertimento, the ever popular Romanian Folk Dances, and Seven Songs (for which the orchestra is joined by the Hungarian Radio Children's Choir). This selection of lively Bartok pieces is viewed through the prism of Witold Lutoslawski's Musique funebre, written in memory of the great Hungarian composer, and first performed on the 10th anniversary of Bartok's death. It's an important, and moving, piece - and one which also led to international recognition for Lutoslawski, Bartok's Polish kindred spirit. The Divertimento for strings was Bartok's last composition in Europe before emigrating to the US. It adapts Hungarian local colour in a manner that documents his despondency and can still cause shivers in listeners today. He was probably aware that with this work in 1939 he was not only taking leave of Europe and his traditions. He must also have sensed that Europe as he knew it was about to disappear into the darkness of history. The least known works here are undoubtedly the Seven Songs, taken from a collection of 27 by Bartok. These choruses on folk texts were created for Kodaly's educational programme. Like the Romanian Folk Dances of 1915 (which were orchestrated a couple of years later), they are not folksong arrangements but rather original compositions "in the style of folk music". Wolfgang Sandner comments in his booklet notes: "They reveal a personality trait that one rarely comes across to such an extent in his other compositions: serenity; one is tempted to call it a sunny disposition, not clouded by social adversity. "Hey, life, glorious life, / This is the life, the glorious life!" are the last lines of the wooing song Csujogató, and that is how Bartok's original music sounds: joyous, beautiful and pure." Personnel: Hungarian Radio Children's Choir (tracks 6-12), Stuttgart Chamber Orchestra, Dennis Russell Davies (conductor)
Post by: Opus106 on May 08, 2012, 05:53:53 AM
This original program brings together composers from 4 centuries: from Kerll, Couperin, Buxtehude and the monumental Passacaglia in C minor by J.S. Bach, far into the 20-th century with Reger, Shostakovich and Jan Welmers.
Recorded on the magnificent Martti Pothan organ Kotka Church in Sweden, by young virtuoso Matthias Havinga, whose earlier recording on this organ (Brilliant Classics 94203) with Italian Concertos by J.S. Bach received enthusiastic reviews in the press.
Bach, J S: Passacaglia & Fugue in C minor, BWV582
Buxtehude: Passacaglia in D minor, BuxWV161
Couperin, F: Pièces de clavecin II: Ordre 8ème in B minor: Passacaille
Kerll: Passacaglia in D minor -- Edited by C. David Harris
Mendelssohn: Passacaglia in C minor
Reger: Introduction and Passacaglia
Shostakovich: Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk: Passacaglia
Welmers: Passacaglia
Matthias Havinga (Martti Porthan organ in Kotka Church, Sweden)
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on May 08, 2012, 05:56:36 AM
A programme that interests me very much.
This original program brings together composers from 4 centuries: from Kerll, Couperin, Buxtehude and the monumental Passacaglia in C minor by J.S. Bach, far into the 20-th century with Reger, Shostakovich and Jan Welmers.
Recorded on the magnificent Martti Pothan organ Kotka Church in Sweden, by young virtuoso Matthias Havinga, whose earlier recording on this organ (Brilliant Classics 94203) with Italian Concertos by J.S. Bach received enthusiastic reviews in the press.
Bach, J S: Passacaglia & Fugue in C minor, BWV582
Buxtehude: Passacaglia in D minor, BuxWV161
Couperin, F: Pièces de clavecin II: Ordre 8ème in B minor: Passacaille
Kerll: Passacaglia in D minor -- Edited by C. David Harris
Mendelssohn: Passacaglia in C minor
Reger: Introduction and Passacaglia
Shostakovich: Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk: Passacaglia
Welmers: Passacaglia
Matthias Havinga (Martti Porthan organ in Kotka Church, Sweden)
He is a very good organ player, but this mix of composers is not my thing at all. And certainly no Reger, his works for organ do not appeal to me.
Post by: Opus106 on May 08, 2012, 06:04:08 AM
He is a very good organ player, but this mix of composers is not my thing at all. And certainly no Reger, his works for organ do not appeal to me.
And I, as someone who doesn't mind listening to a fugue every other minute, haven't even heard Reger's organ music -- something that must be corrected ASAP. As for the disc, the attraction to me obviously is the musical form, and the mix of composers adds some variety to it, to show how it was used at different periods in time, which I find interesting, perhaps even potentially educational(!).
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on May 08, 2012, 06:07:00 AM
And I, as someone who doesn't mind listening to a fugue every other minute, haven't even heard Reger's organ music -- something that must be corrected ASAP. As for the disc, the attraction to me obviously is the musical form, and the mix of composers adds some variety to it, to show how it was used at different periods in time, which I find interesting, perhaps even potentially educational(!).
Sure my friend, this I well understand. :)
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 08, 2012, 06:16:24 AM
Couperin, F: Pièces de clavecin II: Ordre 8ème in B minor: Passacaille
Ah, and to think that there is a marvelous Passacaille in C by Louis which would fit such a program very nicely . . . !
Post by: jlaurson on May 08, 2012, 06:38:54 AM
That's especially true if there are two (or more) versions of a work by the same performers.
That rule is being put to the test when Regis re(re)leases the mono set of Wilhelm Kempff's Beethoven Sonatas. (Which I actually do think is superior to his stereo re-make, as I find it more playful and easy-going.) (Out May 21st.)
(http://www.seenandheard-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/regis_beethoven_kempff_mono.png)
Also:
(http://www.seenandheard-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Haitink_Mahler_9_BRSO_ionarts.png)
G.Mahler,
Symphony No.9
Bernard Haitink / BRSO
BR Klassik 900113 (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0081QU2Q2/goodmusicguidede-21)
Post by: Mirror Image on May 08, 2012, 07:15:40 AM
I am especially interested because these are all warhorse pieces, but especially the Bloch are no longer recorded very often. So there are tons of recordings from the 50s-80s, but one in modern sound would be great.
I don't recall A Voice In The Wilderness being a workhorse piece at all. I know Schelomo was one of Bloch's most popular works. Anyway, yes, the recording should be good especially since Ilan Volkov is conducting who has really impressed me with several of his past recordings.
Post by: Que on May 12, 2012, 09:17:27 PM
Q
Post by: Lethevich on May 13, 2012, 06:20:30 PM
Post by: Que on May 13, 2012, 08:58:56 PM
I hope there will be a vol.2 - if I recall correctly the original series combined chamber works with solo piano?
Yes, I read that an issue with the solo piano works would follow. :)
Q
Post by: North Star on May 14, 2012, 04:50:00 AM
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007CMTNSO/?tag=goodmusicguideco
Both this and the solo work box are very interesting indeed
Post by: Opus106 on May 14, 2012, 04:55:17 AM
€ 33.32 at Amazon.fr that Le Sage (chamber works)
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007CMTNSO/?tag=goodmusicguideco
Both this and the solo work box are very interesting indeed
The appropriate tag for the French website is 'goodmusicgu0a-21'.
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007CMTNSO/?tag=goodmusicgu0a-21
:)
Post by: Brian on May 14, 2012, 01:43:23 PM
Post by: Antoine Marchand on May 14, 2012, 07:45:23 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5425008378305.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-Partiten-f%FCr-Violine-BWV-1001-1003/hnum/2703929
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5425008378312.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-Partiten-f%FCr-Violine-BWV-100410051006/hnum/2703909
Post by: Que on May 14, 2012, 08:05:14 PM
I know many people (well, probably two or three ;D) have searched the Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin performed by F. Fernandez on Flora. Now those 2 discs are, apparently, being re-released:
Good news, they were on my wishlist too. :)
But why are they still so freaking expensive! :o :'(
Q
Post by: Antoine Marchand on May 14, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
Good news, they were on my wishlist too. :)
But why are they still so freaking expensive! :o :'(
Q
Because it's Flora! They practically work only to satisfy five or six members of this board. ;D
Post by: Que on May 15, 2012, 08:03:56 AM
Because it's Flora! They practically work only to satisfy five or six members of this board. ;D
How are the accompanied sonatas BTW? :) The samples sound good.
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5425008377643.jpg)
Q
Post by: Antoine Marchand on May 15, 2012, 12:07:36 PM
How are the accompanied sonatas BTW? :) The samples sound good.
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5425008377643.jpg)
Q
Excellent no-nonsense interpretations; IMO, a typical performance from "the Kuijken Circle".
Post by: Que on May 15, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
They keep coming! :o
Q
Post by: Que on May 15, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
And more! :o
Though rather annoying that the Leonhardt box only contains one Bach organ disc... :P
Q
Post by: The new erato on May 15, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
.I've been eyeing thos for some weeks, but as I have 5 of the 8 discs as single discs I'm hesitating.....
They keep coming! :o
Q
Post by: Holden on May 15, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
It's a truism of record collecting, that the rarer and harder to get a disc or a set, the more esteemed it is among the self-declared cognoscenti.
That's especially true if there are two (or more) versions of a work by the same performers.
That rule is being put to the test when Regis re(re)leases the mono set of Wilhelm Kempff's Beethoven Sonatas. (Which I actually do think is superior to his stereo re-make, as I find it more playful and easy-going.) (Out May 21st.)
(http://www.seenandheard-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/regis_beethoven_kempff_mono.png)
This is already available and I've been waiting for this set of the PS to come down in price for a long time now. My first ever classical music recording was the LP from this set with the ubiquitous 8/14/23.
I could not find the Regis on Amazon anywhere so MDT got the nod for $OZ 24.26. Add in about 8 bucks postage and this is a bargain. I hope it will be waiting for me when I finally get back home on the 26th
Post by: Brian on May 17, 2012, 11:20:58 AM
Post by: madaboutmahler on May 17, 2012, 11:27:09 AM
Fischer/Budapest Mahler 1 due next month.
GREAT!!!!! I saw them do M1 at the BBC Proms last year, their performance of the finale was the most thrilling I have ever heard. Hope it's at least nearly as great on disc...! :)
Post by: Brian on May 17, 2012, 12:15:32 PM
GREAT!!!!! I saw them do M1 at the BBC Proms last year, their performance of the finale was the most thrilling I have ever heard. Hope it's at least nearly as great on disc...! :)
I just got their Mahler 4 and Dvorak 7 in the mail; apart from the interpretive quality, the culture/sound of the orchestra and their rapport with Fischer make everything they do distinctive and well worth hearing.
Post by: Brian on June 11, 2012, 02:50:50 PM
Albert Roussel's complete piano music.
Post by: Lethevich on June 13, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: jlaurson on June 22, 2012, 02:37:05 AM
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B007JYQT4Q.01.L.jpg)
Schoenberg, Beethoven, Berg, Haydn
An die Ferne Geliebte, Hanging Gardens, Altenberg Songs et al.,
Christian Gerhaher, Gerold Huber
Sony (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007JYQT4Q/nectarandambr-20)
On the occasion of Christian Gerhaher's release of Schoenberg's "The Book of the Hanging Gardens" (Sony, June 26 2012), here's a rescued and republished article from the WETA column:
Christian Gerhaher, Othmar Schoeck, and Stefan George – A Love Story
http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2012/06/christian-gerhaher-othmar-schoeck-love.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2012/06/christian-gerhaher-othmar-schoeck-love.html)
Post by: Papy Oli on June 22, 2012, 10:51:15 AM
Schoenberg's phenomenal "Hanging Gardens" are hiding behind this Beethoven-insinuating cover:
Full streaming of the album is available here (http://www.radio4.nl/plaatpaal-player/268/1/ferne-geliebte-christian-gerhaher.html)
Post by: Opus106 on June 22, 2012, 10:57:41 AM
Full streaming of the album is available here (http://www.radio4.nl/plaatpaal-player/268/1/ferne-geliebte-christian-gerhaher.html)
Thank you, Olivier. :) It's an interesting programme on the disc.
Post by: jlaurson on June 22, 2012, 01:49:07 PM
Full streaming of the album is available here (http://www.radio4.nl/plaatpaal-player/268/1/ferne-geliebte-christian-gerhaher.html)
WTF?!? How is the album already streamed, before it's even on the market in hard copy? Drats.
Hopefully it will stimulate purchases... to issue the "Hanging Gardens" -- esp. on a major label -- is a gorgeous risk and highly unusual for today's release-policies. May it be rewarded. :-)
Post by: Opus106 on June 23, 2012, 06:06:28 AM
List of Contents (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kIeykvLiL._SS550_.jpg)
List of Contents (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518mZMItz3L._SS550_.jpg)
Post by: Papy Oli on June 24, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
A remaster :
23/07
Post by: madaboutmahler on June 24, 2012, 12:02:10 PM
20/08
EXCELLENT!!!! Can't wait for this! :)
Post by: nico1616 on June 24, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
EXCELLENT!!!! Can't wait for this! :)
And I can't wait to know if Fischer 6th was included your comparison thread!
We may now be sure Fischer is the next great conductor we will have a full Mahler symphony cycle of in a few years. What great times these are for Mahler fans ;D
Post by: DavidRoss on June 24, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
Fischer/Budapest Mahler 1 due next month.Good news!
And I can't wait to know if Fischer 6th was included your comparison thread!Not in comparison, Fischer already a great conductor. His M1 will be a must-buy if it matches the quality of the other three.
We may now be sure Fischer is the next great conductor we will have a full Mahler symphony cycle of in a few years. What great times these are for Mahler fans ;D
Post by: kishnevi on June 24, 2012, 03:03:43 PM
And I can't wait to know if Fischer 6th was included your comparison thread!
We may now be sure Fischer is the next great conductor we will have a full Mahler symphony cycle of in a few years. What great times these are for Mahler fans ;D
IIRC, Fischer has been reported as saying he's not interested in doing a complete cycle. The Eighth and I forget which other one he's doesn't plan on doing, for sure.
BTW, it's apparently not yet listed by AmazonUS, since the link comes up as 404 Document Not Found.
Post by: jlaurson on June 25, 2012, 12:05:46 AM
IIRC, Fischer has been reported as saying he's not interested in doing a complete cycle. ...
Indeed, he has been reported as saying that. :) http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-ivan-fischer.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-ivan-fischer.html)
Post by: TheGSMoeller on June 25, 2012, 01:55:56 AM
Indeed, he has been reported as saying that. :) http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-ivan-fischer.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-ivan-fischer.html)
Reporting at its finest. Bam! 8)
Post by: Opus106 on July 04, 2012, 08:33:22 AM
(Spotted at IT.)
Post by: Brian on July 04, 2012, 08:36:19 AM
Again, into which thread do (re-)releases like this one go? :-\
(Spotted at IT.)
Pre-order at Amazon UK is £18.35 for 8 CDs. I might have to buy that.
Also due in August: Mahler 1 from Fischer/Budapest, and Brilliant is reissuing their Kuchar/Nielsen cycle.
Post by: Opus106 on July 04, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
Brilliant is reissuing their Kuchar/Nielsen cycle.
There's also a Rimsky Edition on the way.
Post by: kishnevi on July 04, 2012, 04:35:16 PM
Pre-order at Amazon UK is £18.35 for 8 CDs. I might have to buy that.
Also due in August: Mahler 1 from Fischer/Budapest, and Brilliant is reissuing their Kuchar/Nielsen cycle.
Since I wanted the Martinon Debussy box from Brilliant, I probably will buy this one instead.
That Kuchar/Nielsen set is part of the 100 CD Brilliant Symphonies box that's been sitting on my shelf for several months now. One of these days I really will start going through it....
Post by: Wanderer on July 08, 2012, 12:52:09 AM
(finally to be re-issued!)
Post by: Mirror Image on July 14, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
Edit: Found out what was in it:
Romeo and Juliet, Op. 64
Cinderella, Op. 87
Symphony No. 1 in D major, Op. 25 'Classical'
Alexander Nevsky, Op. 78
Lieutenant Kijé Suite, Op. 60
Ivan the Terrible, Op. 116 - concert oratorio (ed. Stassevich)
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2012, 07:04:27 PM
Romeo and Juliet, Op. 64
Cinderella, Op. 87
Symphony No. 1 in D major, Op. 25 'Classical'
Alexander Nevsky, Op. 78
Lieutenant Kijé Suite, Op. 60
Ivan the Terrible, Op. 116 - concert oratorio (ed. Stassevich)
Where'd you find this info? I'm interested to find content listings for the various other reissues in the series...
(Thanks, by the way, that looks like a handy "hits collection", but the conductors' names really pique my interest.)
Post by: Mirror Image on July 14, 2012, 07:16:19 PM
Where'd you find this info? I'm interested to find content listings for the various other reissues in the series...
(Thanks, by the way, that looks like a handy "hits collection", but the conductors' names really pique my interest.)
No problem, Brian. I went to the Prestoclassical website. Luckily, I'll probably be picking this one up as I don't own much Prokofiev on EMI and it'll be good to have Previn's first Nevsky.
Post by: edward on July 15, 2012, 03:05:55 AM
Post by: Papy Oli on July 15, 2012, 03:42:48 AM
Also the full Gould Beethoven sonatas in September (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0085MK2O4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE)
plus :
Post by: Lisztianwagner on July 15, 2012, 05:15:31 AM
Again, into which thread do (re-)releases like this one go? :-\
(Spotted at IT.)
Wonderful, it definitely looks an excellent set box.
Post by: North Star on July 15, 2012, 02:23:57 PM
Post by: Brian on July 15, 2012, 02:33:37 PM
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2012, 06:42:15 AM
(http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/jpegs/150dpi/d49cd096ee28595d/034571154169.png)
Josef Suk's piano quartet and piano quintet, starring the Nash Ensemble
Post by: Papy Oli on July 23, 2012, 11:13:09 AM
Post by: The new erato on July 23, 2012, 11:24:05 AM
Post by: jlaurson on July 23, 2012, 11:26:41 AM
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B008BOWG7C.01.L.jpg)
L.v.Beethoven
Complete String Quartets
Tokyo String Quartet
(First Cycle)
RCA (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0042ZH8RC/nectarandambr-20)
That was my first LvB Quartet cycle... and I think it got lost in one of the moves. Probably in a transatlantic M-Bag.
If I ever feel the need to replace it, it's good to know it won't cost an arm and a leg.
Post by: Brian on July 23, 2012, 12:08:39 PM
Isabelle Faust is completing her solo Bach:
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/harmoniamundihmc902124.jpg)
Post by: North Star on July 23, 2012, 12:14:22 PM
How's that Tokyo Beethoven? Comp/contrast with the harmonia mundi Tokyo Beethoven, anyone?
Isabelle Faust is completing her solo Bach:
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/harmoniamundihmc902124.jpg)
That's great news, what I've heard from the first volume is superb.
Post by: jlaurson on July 24, 2012, 01:02:29 AM
How's that Tokyo Beethoven? Comp/contrast with the harmonia mundi Tokyo Beethoven, anyone?
I like some of the early quartets in the HM Tokyo Cycle, but the late ones I wasn't happy with it at all. Memory doesn't serve me well enough to remember the finer interpretative points of the first cycle, but the technical aspects were better handled. But of course part of the reason for the second cycle was that they now play on one of the two Stradivari SQ4t sets that the Nippon Foundation bought for them when the Corcoran Gallery had a bake-sale of all their musical instruments.
Post by: mc ukrneal on July 29, 2012, 11:10:13 PM
Post by: The new erato on July 29, 2012, 11:47:47 PM
Post by: mc ukrneal on July 30, 2012, 12:04:12 AM
I've just been playing this. Disc 1 (in the listening thread) and Saturday disc 3 (Cramer; new to me) and a reasonably lightweight Schubert Trout (compared to more traditional, romantic versions). Great value this set (I have disc 2 as a single issue from before, so it's not a priority to play that again, but it is very fine).I missed that! Although, the release comes out in another month in the US, so I still feel I was in the right thread at the time. But now I am stuck somewhere in between. :)
Post by: The new erato on July 30, 2012, 12:09:32 AM
I missed that! Although, the release comes out in another month in the US, so I still feel I was in the right thread at the time. But now I am stuck somewhere in between. :)Play this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q)
Post by: The new erato on August 01, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/7/4783725.jpg)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/ravel-the-complete-edition-decca-14cds.html (http://www.mdt.co.uk/ravel-the-complete-edition-decca-14cds.html)
Post by: Brian on August 01, 2012, 02:03:28 PM
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This September, Naxos begins a series of the Villa-Lobos symphonies!
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8573043.jpg)
These also look intriguing.
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8572661.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/H/CHSA5109.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/H/CHAN10736.jpg)
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/C/H/CHAN10711.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/B/I/BISCD1899.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/S/U/SU40932.jpg)
Post by: eyeresist on August 01, 2012, 05:43:49 PM
This September, Naxos begins a series of the Villa-Lobos symphonies!
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8573043.jpg)
They were just waiting for Mirror Image to leave first ;)
Post by: kishnevi on August 01, 2012, 06:01:50 PM
This September, Naxos begins a series of the Villa-Lobos symphonies!
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8573043.jpg)
So CPO will no longer be the only game in town. And Sao Paulo, too.... have they moved to Naxos from BIS?
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These also look intriguing.
[ (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/B/I/BISCD1899.jpg)
I like his complete Dowland very much (now issued on Brilliant). This should be rewarding.
Post by: Brian on August 01, 2012, 07:24:23 PM
So CPO will no longer be the only game in town. And Sao Paulo, too.... have they moved to Naxos from BIS?
I like his complete Dowland very much (now issued on Brilliant). This should be rewarding.
Sao Paulo moved from BIS to Naxos I think because of the conductor situation - the departure of John Neschling and the arrival of Marin Alsop.
And I actually listened to the Lindberg disc already! Click (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg648780.html#msg648780)
Post by: kishnevi on August 01, 2012, 07:31:17 PM
Sao Paulo moved from BIS to Naxos I think because of the conductor situation - the departure of John Neschling and the arrival of Marin Alsop.
And I actually listened to the Lindberg disc already! Click (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg648780.html#msg648780)
So I saw. I had the same reaction to the cover photo, btw.
Post by: jlaurson on August 02, 2012, 02:45:17 AM
So CPO will no longer be the only game in town [for Villa-Lobos]. And Sao Paulo, too.... have they moved to Naxos from BIS?
A.) Finally. I've long maintained that, uneven as the music is, the CPO performances don't do the music justice -- and are played based on scores that -- so I've been told -- are not particularly accurate or good. Now we can
The Sao Paulo Orchestra Association (OSESP), which is much more than just an orchestra, has collected, edited, and issued the new (as for now definitive) scores of these symphonies and they long had plans to make recordings of them. Glad to see that come to fruition, at last.
B.) "Moved to NAXOS" -- it's all a matter of who is willing to release the music for them... and Brian is right: As Alsop moved down there (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2011/02/side-notes-marin-alsop-nova-regente-em.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2011/02/side-notes-marin-alsop-nova-regente-em.html)) it made it Naxos an obvious choice. Good as far as distribution is concerned -- they'll reach more people. Perhaps a minor step down as far as label-reputation is concerned.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 02, 2012, 02:54:54 AM
A.) Finally. I've long maintained that, uneven as the music is, the CPO performances don't do the music justice -- and are played based on scores that -- so I've been told -- are not particularly accurate or good. Now we canseehear if that was indeed the case.
The Sao Paulo Orchestra Association (OESP), which is much more than just an orchestra, has collected, edited, and issued the new (as for now definitive) scores of these symphonies and they long had plans to make recordings of them. Glad to see that come to fruition, at last.
B.) "Moved to NAXOS" -- it's all a matter of who is willing to release the music for them... and Brian is right: As Alsop moved down there (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2011/02/side-notes-marin-alsop-nova-regente-em.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2011/02/side-notes-marin-alsop-nova-regente-em.html)) it made it Naxos an obvious choice. Good as far as distribution is concerned -- they'll reach more people. Perhaps a minor step down as far as label-reputation is concerned.
That's all good.
Post by: edward on August 05, 2012, 06:37:45 PM
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67948
(Liszt, Janacek, Faure, Kurtag, Ades.)
Post by: kishnevi on August 10, 2012, 04:39:42 PM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/decca4783704.jpg)(http://i.prs.to/t_200/decca4783706.jpg)
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/decca4783703.jpg)
(not just operas--includes a piano concerto and two chamber works for all three of which Solti was the pianist)
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/decca4783705.jpg)
If you want complete listings, go to Prestoclassical and input "Solti Edition" for the search
Post by: The new erato on August 10, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
Post by: Gordo on August 11, 2012, 11:07:19 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0608917256024.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-f%FCr-Violine-Cembalo-BWV-1014-1019/hnum/2883757
Post by: Gordo on August 11, 2012, 11:12:43 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/4015023242722.jpg)
Post by: Opus106 on August 11, 2012, 11:26:04 PM
Considering that Koopman's first try on this collection is largely OOP
It recently turned out to be my introduction to these works. A kind SymphonyShare member uploaded it, album cover and all. :)
Post by: Gordo on August 11, 2012, 11:28:22 PM
It recently turned out to be my introduction to these works. A kind SymphonyShare member uploaded it, album cover and all. :)
Do you mean this new Koopman recording, Navneeth?
Post by: Que on August 11, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Considering that Koopman's first try on this collection is largely OOP, this new recording results interesting:
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0608917256024.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-f%FCr-Violine-Cembalo-BWV-1014-1019/hnum/2883757
OMG, another recording of these works? :o
I can't keep up anymore - though I did a survey over a year ago or so and ended up adding Malgoire/Rannou (Zig-Zag) to my Kuyken/Leonhardt set. Since then I have seen some notable new recordings, specifically Fernandez/Allard (Flora) and another that you or premont recently posted of which I forgot the details...(please remind me)
But how many can one have? :o ;D
Q
Post by: Gordo on August 11, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
OMG, another recording of these works? :o
I can't keep up anymore - though I did a survey over a year ago or so and ended up adding Malgoire/Rannou (Zig-Zag) to my Kuyken/Leonhardt set. Since then I have seen some notable new recordings, specifically Fernandez/Allard (Flora) and another that you or premont recently posted of which I forgot the details...(please remind me)
But how many can one have? :o ;D
Q
c'mon, Q, we're not the right people to respond that crazy question! ;D
Maybe this one?
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760107400314.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-f%FCr-Violine-Cembalo-BWV-1014-101910211023/hnum/1596687
Post by: Que on August 11, 2012, 11:38:31 PM
c'mon, Q, we're not the right people to respond that crazy question! ;D
Maybe this one?
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760107400314.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-f%FCr-Violine-Cembalo-BWV-1014-101910211023/hnum/1596687
Yes, and maybe this one as well...very tempting... ::)
Maybe I "need" one more? ;D
(https://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760009293021.jpg)
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-f%FCr-Violine-Cembalo-BWV-1014-1019/hnum/4916415
Q
Post by: Gordo on August 11, 2012, 11:46:16 PM
Yes, and maybe this one as well...very tempting... ::)
Maybe I "need" one more? ;D
(https://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760009293021.jpg)
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Sonaten-f%FCr-Violine-Cembalo-BWV-1014-1019/hnum/4916415
Q
I listened to Banchini one time via NML and I think I'll pass this time, at least until a new listening. I was not very impressed.
Post by: Opus106 on August 11, 2012, 11:59:55 PM
Do you mean this new Koopman recording, Navneeth?
No, I meant his first try on this collection, with Ms. Wallfisch.
Post by: Gordo on August 12, 2012, 12:13:48 AM
No, I meant his first try on this collection, with Ms. Wallfisch.
Huggett, I guess. Unfortunately, I don't have that set.
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
Huggett, I guess. Unfortunately, I don't have that set.
Oops. I had a feeling that I ought to have checked the name before typing. :-[
Link to FLAC files available here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/Symphonyshare/7XRRJ3cdnQU/KN66s1Er00EJ
Post by: Que on August 12, 2012, 02:00:17 AM
I listened to Banchini one time via NML and I think I'll pass this time, at least until a new listening. I was not very impressed.
OK Thanks! :)
For now the Fernandez/Allard is on the shopping list, though Fernandez' solo recordings will take priority.
And what do you think of the Deuter/Grisvard? I'm listing to samples right now. I like his tone, and he embellishes, which is nice. Seems like quite a swift and spirited performance.
Q
Post by: Gordo on August 12, 2012, 02:06:34 AM
Oops. I had a feeling that I ought to have checked the name before typing. :-[
It was unnecessary, Nav. You know, there is always a kind member of this board avidly waiting for and enjoying the opportunity of correcting another illustrious members. ;) ;D :P
Link to FLAC files available here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/Symphonyshare/7XRRJ3cdnQU/KN66s1Er00EJ
I found this set on YouTube; I have heard a half of its content so far and I can say Koopman will have a very hard work, if he pretend to surpass his first attempt. It's a beautiful and unexpectedly (for koopman's usual proceedings) contemplative, calm and autumnal version.
http://www.youtube.com/v/r26H7jDRsCQ?hd=1
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2012, 02:27:24 AM
It was unnecessary, Nav. You know, there is always a kind member of this board avidly waiting for and enjoying the opportunity of correcting another illustrious members. ;) ;D :P
And that should be only me! >:D
To each his own obsession: some like piling up discs on the shelf; I like to see everyone get even the tiniest detail correct.
Post by: Gordo on August 12, 2012, 03:48:34 AM
To each his own obsession: some like piling up discs on the shelf...
Are you teasing me, Nav? ;)
Post by: Gordo on August 12, 2012, 04:22:02 AM
For now the Fernandez/Allard is on the shopping list, though Fernandez' solo recordings will take priority.Yes, his sonatas & partitas are mandatory.
And what do you think of the Deuter/Grisvard? I'm listing to samples right now. I like his tone, and he embellishes, which is nice. Seems like quite a swift and spirited performance.I'm still waiting for that set, ordered from Italy. When it arrives I will comment my opinion.
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on August 19, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
They were just waiting for Mirror Image to leave first ;)
Mirror Image left? Well, well I am behind with knowing what goes on of GMG already. Why did he leave, anyone knows?
Post by: Opus106 on August 19, 2012, 03:07:06 AM
Mirror Image left? Well, well I am behind with knowing what goes on of GMG already. Why did he leave, anyone knows?
To be precise, he has only taken a break from GMG to economically empower the merchants of some other genre of music.
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on August 19, 2012, 03:12:16 AM
To be precise, he has only taken a break from GMG to economically empower the merchants of some other genre of music.
Right, so he is temporarily of classical music. That does explain a little, but since he bought more CD'S as I ever did, he will have enough to write about the rest of his life.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 02, 2012, 05:58:31 PM
This September, Naxos begins a series of the Villa-Lobos symphonies!
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8573043.jpg)
I'm seriously looking forward to this series. I hope they include some extras as well. I've been dying to hear another performance of Genesis and Erosao too. My fingers are crossed that it's not just the symphonies getting recorded but some other orchestral works as well.
Post by: Opus106 on September 05, 2012, 08:35:23 AM
Post by: Opus106 on September 06, 2012, 10:29:43 AM
[images hyper-linked to Amazon UK]
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BSo7NWbyL._SL300_AA350_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008XRQS7Q/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
Simone Stella plays Buxtehude's Organ Music
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G4lO33PqL._SL350_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008XRQSYO/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
Schornsheim and Belder is Bach's harpsichord concerti. (I don't whether these are licensed, newly produced, or a mix of both.)
And finally, out of OOP-dom comes the Shostakovich Edition, with a worried-looking Dmitri on the cover.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511vaPgtaIL._SL350_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008GAXUYE/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
Oh, and they've also boxed up all the Clementi mini-boxes. ;D
Post by: Que on September 06, 2012, 11:03:26 AM
Three new releases from Brilliant to which I look forward (well, at least one is a re-release):
[images hyper-linked to Amazon UK]
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BSo7NWbyL.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008XRQS7Q/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
Simone Stella plays Buxtehude's Organ Music
If his performance of the harpsichord works is anything to go by, it's going to be good. But of course, there will be the issue of the organ(s) used.
Well this comment sheds more light on the matter: the new set, recorded on a bright and authentically tuned modern Italian instrument which nonetheless can aspire to the colours of the Danish organs on which Buxtehude plied his trade.
Yeah, suuurrrre..... I think I'll pass... ::) I'm quite happy with Ablitzer and plan to get Koopman some day.
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Oh, and they've also boxed up all the Clementi mini-boxes. ;D
I know, and it's damn cheap too! :o
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5028421943794.jpg)
Q
Post by: Gordo on September 06, 2012, 11:46:41 AM
Three new releases from Brilliant to which I look forward (well, at least one is a re-release):
... and what about this, Navneeth? IMO, one of the most exciting re-releases of the last time.
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5028421943466.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Antonio-de-Cabezon-1500-1566-S%E4mtliche-Werke-Obras-de-musica-para-tecla-arpa-y-vihuela/hnum/3048455
:)
Post by: North Star on September 06, 2012, 11:57:05 AM
Nicer cover art compared to the usual fare.Reminds me of historical recordings, e.g. Ysaÿe.
Here's a 10 min video:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/mpd/permalink/m27W1HLE44BESD/ref=flash_player_2_preplay
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
And finally, out of OOP-dom comes the Shostakovich Edition, with a worried-looking Dmitri on the cover.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511vaPgtaIL._SL350_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008GAXUYE/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
It's about time they reissued this box. I bought the original set (with the red cover) when it came out and before I could blink my eyes it became out-of-print. This will be a good opportunity for Shosty fans who missed the original box the first time around to buy it.
Edit: Wait a minute here, the Brilliant Classics set called The Shostakovich Edition (the red box -- the one I own) has 27 CDs. This new set coming out has 51 CDs. ??? WTF?
Post by: kishnevi on September 06, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
It's about time they reissued this box. I bought the original set (with the red cover) when it came out and before I could blink my eyes it became out-of-print. This will be a good opportunity for Shosty fans who missed the original box the first time around to buy it.
Edit: Wait a minute here, the Brilliant Classics set called The Shostakovich Edition had 27 CDs. This new set coming out has 51 CDs. ??? WTF?
24 extra CDs? That's interesting.
The Amazon write up is, as usual with not yet released sets, very uninformative. They mention Barshai doing the symphonies, which I have; Galina and Slava doing Lady Macbeth, which I presume is the EMI recording I have; Oistrakh and Slava doing the violin and cello concertos--well I have them both, but possibly different recordings. Who does the string quartets, the other chamber works, and the song cycles?
Post by: Mirror Image on September 06, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
24 extra CDs? That's interesting.
The Amazon write up is, as usual with not yet released sets, very uninformative. They mention Barshai doing the symphonies, which I have; Galina and Slava doing Lady Macbeth, which I presume is the EMI recording I have; Oistrakh and Slava doing the violin and cello concertos--well I have them both, but possibly different recordings. Who does the string quartets, the other chamber works, and the song cycles?
The Rubio Quartet performs the SQs in my box, Jeffrey. I'm not sure about the chamber works and song cycles. I'll have to dig my set out.
Post by: Brian on September 06, 2012, 05:17:23 PM
It's about time they reissued this box. I bought the original set (with the red cover) when it came out and before I could blink my eyes it became out-of-print. This will be a good opportunity for Shosty fans who missed the original box the first time around to buy it.Complete but rather disorganized CD listing (http://www.brilliantclassics.com/release.aspx?id=FM00424463)
Edit: Wait a minute here, the Brilliant Classics set called The Shostakovich Edition (the red box -- the one I own) has 27 CDs. This new set coming out has 51 CDs. ??? WTF?
Post by: Gordo on September 06, 2012, 05:39:00 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G4lO33PqL._SL350_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008XRQSYO/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
Schornsheim and Belder is Bach's harpsichord concerti. (I don't whether these are licensed, newly produced, or a mix of both.)
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008GAXUYE/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
A third option, I think: a part is licensed from Berlin Classics (2 CDs):
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BWV 1052–58, 1060, 1065
Recordings made 1990 (CD1) & 1992 (CD2), Paul-Gerhardt-Kirche, Leipzig
The third CD is a re-release from this set of BC own production:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nCQchOibL._SS300_.jpg)
BWV 1061–64
Recordings made May & June 2006, Schiedam/Leiden (CD3).
Post by: kishnevi on September 06, 2012, 05:42:34 PM
Complete but rather disorganized CD listing (http://www.brilliantclassics.com/release.aspx?id=FM00424463)
For it's silent on the most important points--who actually plays what. I suspect I have a goodly chunk of the performances in that box, which means it may turn out to be a waste of time for me. Unless there's a bunch of Melodiya recordings in there, and not the EMI/Philips-Decca recordings of Russian artists in the West.
And no Song of the Forests!
Post by: North Star on September 06, 2012, 09:06:29 PM
And finally, out of OOP-dom comes the Shostakovich Edition, with a worried-looking Dmitri on the cover.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511vaPgtaIL._SL350_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008GAXUYE/?tag=goodmusicguideco-21)
That looks very interesting, especially for the songs.
Post by: Madiel on September 07, 2012, 06:22:32 PM
Just discovered the next Da Capo disk of Vagn Holmboe will be his works for guitar.
http://www.dacapo-records.dk/en/recording-vagn-holmboe-solo-and-chamber-works-for-guitar.aspx
Post by: Mirror Image on September 07, 2012, 07:22:26 PM
Steinbacher and Petrenko performing Prokofiev? Looks mighty tasty.
Post by: The new erato on September 07, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
That looks very interesting, especially for the songs.At least yesterday that was listed under new releases at mdt.co.uk at £ 0.00.
Anybody like to take a shot? ;D
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 08, 2012, 03:52:17 AM
This looks promising...
Steinbacher and Petrenko performing Prokofiev? Looks mighty tasty.
Certainly... sounds as if it would be a really wonderful recording! :) Do you know when it is being released, John?
Post by: DavidRoss on September 08, 2012, 04:13:32 AM
*squeals*Way cool! Next stop, Naxos!
Just discovered the next Da Capo disk of Vagn Holmboe will be his works for guitar.
http://www.dacapo-records.dk/en/recording-vagn-holmboe-solo-and-chamber-works-for-guitar.aspx
Post by: Mirror Image on September 08, 2012, 06:30:49 AM
Certainly... sounds as if it would be a really wonderful recording! :) Do you know when it is being released, John?
Yeah Daniel, it comes out Sept. 25th. I do think she'll do well in these concerti. Have you heard here Shostakovich VC recording? The only thing that I didn't like about the recording was the slow tempi Nelsons used in the last movement of Violin Concerto No. 1. It just didn't feel right. Everything else, though, sounded great to these ears.
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 08, 2012, 07:48:28 AM
Yeah Daniel, it comes out Sept. 25th. I do think she'll do well in these concerti. Have you heard here Shostakovich VC recording? The only thing that I didn't like about the recording was the slow tempi Nelsons used in the last movement of Violin Concerto No. 1. It just didn't feel right. Everything else, though, sounded great to these ears.
Thanks for the response, John. I shall certainly keep my eye out for this! :)
No, I have not heard that recording yet but am certainly interested in it. I do need some more recordings of the Shosty concerti, so have been watching Karlo's recent posts and your responses on the 'considering thread'. :)
Post by: Lisztianwagner on September 08, 2012, 08:53:11 AM
This looks promising...
Steinbacher and Petrenko performing Prokofiev? Looks mighty tasty.
it comes out Sept. 25th.
I agree, it certainly looks very tempting!
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on September 08, 2012, 09:00:23 AM
Three new releases from Brilliant to which I look forward (well, at least one is a re-release):
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Simone Stella plays Buxtehude's Organ Music
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I already have a few sets of Buxtehude, so I'll think I will pass this one by, although Stella is a excellent musician.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 08, 2012, 01:26:13 PM
And no Song of the Forests!
+1
I've only heard it once, but I remember it sounding lovely.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 08, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
Complete but rather disorganized CD listing (http://www.brilliantclassics.com/release.aspx?id=FM00424463)
Thanks, Brian! Depending on the price point, this might pose some temptation ....
Post by: Mirror Image on September 08, 2012, 05:50:09 PM
Thanks for the response, John. I shall certainly keep my eye out for this! :)
No, I have not heard that recording yet but am certainly interested in it. I do need some more recordings of the Shosty concerti, so have been watching Karlo's recent posts and your responses on the 'considering thread'. :)
Well, in Shostakovich's Violin Concerto No. 1 I've narrowed my recommendations down to three: Batiashvili/Salonen, Khachatryan/Masur, and Steinbacher/Nelsons. For the Violin Concerto No. 2, Khachatryan is the best I've heard, although Steinbacher is good, but I think Khachatryan gets inside of this concerto a bit more.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 08, 2012, 05:51:25 PM
I agree, it certainly looks very tempting!
Absolutely.
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 09, 2012, 04:12:58 AM
Well, in Shostakovich's Violin Concerto No. 1 I've narrowed my recommendations down to three: Batiashvili/Salonen, Khachatryan/Masur, and Steinbacher/Nelsons. For the Violin Concerto No. 2, Khachatryan is the best I've heard, although Steinbacher is good, but I think Khachatryan gets inside of this concerto a bit more.
Thank you for the feedback, John. As you say that his VC2 is also your favourite, the Khachatryan will probably be the one I get eventually. Hopefully as soon as possible! :)
Post by: Daverz on September 09, 2012, 04:15:05 AM
Out in in October :
Feh. What a lazy selection. So many great Ormandy recordings of 20th Century music in the Sony/BMG catalog are just rotting away in the vaults.
Here's an Ormandy discography (http://www.geocities.jp/ormandy/ormandy_disk_e.html).
Post by: The new erato on September 09, 2012, 04:22:06 AM
Post by: Daverz on September 09, 2012, 04:52:36 AM
The Hurwitzer in classicstoday panned the selection as well. Let's hope for more boxes.
Shows up if I search on Ormandy:
http://www.classicstoday.com/?s=ormandy&submit.x=10&submit.y=10
His description of it sounds even worse than it looks.
Post by: eyeresist on September 09, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
Shows up if I search on Ormandy:
http://www.classicstoday.com/?s=ormandy&submit.x=10&submit.y=10
His description of it sounds even worse than it looks.
Das Hurvitz says: "Strauss’ waltzes from Der Rosenkavalier are added to the disc to fill out the timing – generous, but aesthetically horrifying."
Does he mean the performance or the music itself?
Post by: Mirror Image on September 09, 2012, 07:40:50 PM
Post by: jlaurson on September 09, 2012, 10:53:50 PM
Oh my goodness...oh my goodness...oh my goodness....YES!!! Finally! Salonen's Violin Concerto on CD! Coming Oct. 16th!
And NYX! http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2012/06/ionarts-at-large-magic-salonen-also.html (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2012/06/ionarts-at-large-magic-salonen-also.html)
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 10, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
Oh my goodness...oh my goodness...oh my goodness....YES!!! Finally! Salonen's Violin Concerto on CD! Coming Oct. 16th!
Excellent!!!!!! :D
Post by: Que on September 10, 2012, 08:40:06 AM
But I'm sure there will be takers around? :D
Detailed information on the Brilliant site. (http://www.brilliantclassics.com/release.aspx?id=FM00417753)
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Post by: kishnevi on September 10, 2012, 04:37:13 PM
I've learned my lesson with Boccherini to pick & choose, so I think I'll pass on this rather daunting box set... :o
But I'm sure there will be takers around? :D
Detailed information on the Brilliant site. (http://www.brilliantclassics.com/release.aspx?id=FM00417753)
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Was it you, Harry, or someone else who was not very satisfied with Pixeddu's performance of the cello sonatas that's part of this set?
A sizeable chunk of it consists of the Magnifica Comunita recordings of the quintets, which I have already--but they may make the set worthwhile for someone else who doesn't have them. But by my count I have 21 CDs out of the 37 included here, so I will definitely pass on this one.
Post by: DavidRoss on September 10, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/mbBw03Q_3zw
Post by: Mirror Image on September 10, 2012, 05:45:02 PM
Seems to me I posted this some time ago, but there seems to be interest enough to make it worth posting again:
http://www.youtube.com/v/mbBw03Q_3zw
I've seen this video, but I'm not happy with the quality of it whatsoever. I can't wait to own the CD.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 10, 2012, 08:28:39 PM
Could this be the start of a Honegger symphony cycle? I really hope so. Davies is a good conductor, so it will be interesting to get his take on this music.
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on September 10, 2012, 11:10:27 PM
Was it you, Harry, or someone else who was not very satisfied with Pixeddu's performance of the cello sonatas that's part of this set?
A sizeable chunk of it consists of the Magnifica Comunita recordings of the quintets, which I have already--but they may make the set worthwhile for someone else who doesn't have them. But by my count I have 21 CDs out of the 37 included here, so I will definitely pass on this one.
Yes true I was dissatisfied with the performances you mentioned. Slow tempi, almost lethargic. The rest of the box however is topnotch.
Post by: Brian on September 13, 2012, 10:23:31 AM
Contents:
Mozart Concerto, Quintet, Bassoon Concerto (arr.), Flute Andante (arr.), Trio
Weber Concerto 1, Quintet, Duo
Brahms Trio, Quintet
Concertos by Nielsen, Copland, Finzi, Stravinsky, McKinley, Englund, Foss
Sonatas by Brahms, Schubert (arr.), Poulenc, Saint-Saens, Prokofiev (arr.)
Pieces by Rossini and Schumann
Post by: Que on September 14, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
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Post by: Que on September 14, 2012, 10:58:02 AM
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Post by: Opus106 on September 14, 2012, 11:06:07 AM
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You can watch and listen to the performances of Nos. 5 to 8, No. 7 being the 'Unfinished', at this website (http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/tag/mark_minkowski/). :) (With thanks to DavidRoss for the link.)
Post by: DavidW on September 14, 2012, 03:21:41 PM
Post by: TheGSMoeller on September 14, 2012, 07:24:57 PM
Watching the video of this here No.8(9), absolutely in love. But with how close I keep my already owned Minkowski discs to my player (Berlioz, Haydn, Rameau) I'm not surprised. And nothing can beat a live performance. On the second movement Andante now, so animated and playful yet so romantic, this movement not only represents the best of Schubert, but the best of the genre.
Thanks for the post (who ever first posted it) this is making my week!
Post by: Mirror Image on September 14, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
Post by: Opus106 on September 14, 2012, 10:21:57 PM
Great! More Schubert. ::)
Correction: PI Schubert. With Minkowski waving the baton. :P
Post by: TheGSMoeller on September 15, 2012, 02:44:59 AM
Correction: PI Schubert. With Minkowsi waving the baton. :P
He almost breaks that baton during the final minutes of the finale.
Post by: DavidW on September 15, 2012, 03:55:41 AM
Great! More Schubert. ::)
Please don't troll, you're better than that. I know you are.
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 15, 2012, 04:26:09 AM
(http://en.naive.fr/public/img/front/pho/works/450x450/005655.jpg)
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Sounds like it would be an excellent set. I only have Harnoncourt's Schubert at the moment and am keen to own another set, maybe this will be one I will invest in at some point in the future. :)
Post by: ChamberNut on September 15, 2012, 04:40:04 AM
Sounds like it would be an excellent set. I only have Harnoncourt's Schubert at the moment and am keen to own another set, maybe this will be one I will invest in at some point in the future. :)
Daniel, I'm gung-ho on the Kertesz/WP for the Schubert symphonies. Just another recommendation. :)
Post by: DavidW on September 15, 2012, 05:00:33 AM
Post by: North Star on September 15, 2012, 05:03:53 AM
Sounds like it would be an excellent set. I only have Harnoncourt's Schubert at the moment and am keen to own another set, maybe this will be one I will invest in at some point in the future. :)There's also this Mackerras & OAE 2-fer with 5, 8 & 9, and quite cheap. Excellent performances, too.
Post by: mc ukrneal on September 15, 2012, 05:08:31 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GlraZfTFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)Hmmmm. I like Minkowski, but he sounds a bit underpowered in the clips I could find (both audio and video). For exmple:
Watching the video of this here No.8(9), absolutely in love. But with how close I keep my already owned Minkowski discs to my player (Berlioz, Haydn, Rameau) I'm not surprised. And nothing can beat a live performance. On the second movement Andante now, so animated and playful yet so romantic, this movement not only represents the best of Schubert, but the best of the genre.
Thanks for the post (who ever first posted it) this is making my week!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qHisZ8Z5Mw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qHisZ8Z5Mw)
Post by: DavidRoss on September 15, 2012, 05:16:08 AM
Hmmmm. I like Minkowski, but he sounds a bit underpowered....I thought so, too, lacking a bit of the verve and zest that make his Mozart and Haydn so smashing!
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 15, 2012, 05:17:07 AM
Daniel, I'm gung-ho on the Kertesz/WP for the Schubert symphonies. Just another recommendation. :)
If still in print the Bruggen set is great. I want to pick up another set soon, I was going to go with Marriner but I guess now I can go with Minkowski instead! :)Thanks for the recommendations, Ray and Dave! :)
There's also this Mackerras & OAE 2-fer with 5, 8 & 9, and quite cheap. Excellent performances, too.Thanks for this, Karlo. My dad owns this 2-fer, certainly excellent performances! :)
Post by: Brian on September 15, 2012, 05:24:35 AM
Sounds like it would be an excellent set. I only have Harnoncourt's Schubert at the moment and am keen to own another set, maybe this will be one I will invest in at some point in the future. :)Daniel, my inclination from watching the videos is Harnoncourt and Minkowski will be fairly similar... Harnoncourt's my only set too, so now Ray's post has me very much wanting to buy the Kertesz cycle! And the Minkowski cycle!
W/r/t Minkowski's 8(9), the opening introduction had me rather worried, but the main allegro is simply riveting - perfectly paced, vibrantly played, maybe a tiny bit underpowered but I hope that's due to the recording quality.
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 15, 2012, 05:32:37 AM
Daniel, my inclination from watching the videos is Harnoncourt and Minkowski will be fairly similar... Harnoncourt's my only set too, so now Ray's post has me very much wanting to buy the Kertesz cycle! And the Minkowski cycle!Yes, Ray's post has me very much wanting the Kertesz cycle too, it sounds great! And the Minkowski cycle too of course! ;) I really do love Schubert's symphonies. :)
W/r/t Minkowski's 8(9), the opening introduction had me rather worried, but the main allegro is simply riveting - perfectly paced, vibrantly played, maybe a tiny bit underpowered but I hope that's due to the recording quality.
Edit: just listened to some excerpts from the Kertesz on amazon, sounds very good indeed!
Post by: ChamberNut on September 15, 2012, 05:45:04 AM
, so now Ray's post has me very much wanting to buy the Kertesz cycle!
I've been blabbing about the Schubert (Kertesz/WP) set for SO long, I'll probably be banned from the site, out of people being sick and tired of me mentioning it. ;D :D 8)
Post by: Opus106 on September 15, 2012, 05:49:41 AM
I've been blabbing about the Schubert (Kertesz/WP) set for SO long, I'll probably be banned from the site, out of people being sick and tired of me mentioning it. ;D :D 8)
Or made to listen to Bolero on repeat, for two days in succession. Choose one. >:D
Post by: Mirror Image on September 15, 2012, 06:37:38 AM
Please don't troll, you're better than that. I know you are.
It's a joke, Dave. I'm not a troll. I do like some Schubert.
Post by: Brian on September 15, 2012, 11:54:45 AM
Oh, and
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/1/9154732.jpg)
Post by: The new erato on September 15, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
Post by: madaboutmahler on September 15, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/1/9154732.jpg)Excellent! :D
Post by: DavidW on September 15, 2012, 01:47:28 PM
Post by: North Star on September 15, 2012, 02:09:44 PM
I see he has moved up from Naxos to EMI! :)That's happened a while ago:
Post by: Mirror Image on September 15, 2012, 06:54:42 PM
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8572752.jpg)
This is good news! I'll definitely be getting this one after being satisfied with the last installment. Thumbs up!
Post by: kishnevi on September 16, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
Alpha's about to release Faure's piano quintets with the Quatuor Ebene and Eric Le Sage. Forgive the lack of accent marks. Sounds like a very exciting release.Does that mean Ebene is leaving EMI? Or is this just a one time fling?
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Oh, and
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/1/9154732.jpg)
Sergei is well and good, but he needs to get DSCH finished!
Post by: Brian on September 16, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
Does that mean Ebene is leaving EMI? Or is this just a one time fling?My understanding from meeting a gossipy Naxos employee in a pub July '11 was that Petrenko's contract with EMI (then still being negotiated, I think) would be an exclusive deal, meaning that Naxos would need to scramble in order to record the remaining DSCH, or plead for some kind of one-off exception by EMI allowing Petrenko to finish his work. I never did find out what happened; we the CD-buying public should know soon, I guess.
Sergei is well and good, but he needs to get DSCH finished!
Post by: Lisztianwagner on September 16, 2012, 01:28:11 PM
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/1/9154732.jpg)
They look great! I hope Petrenko is as brilliant as he is in Shostakovich's symphonies, in those Rachmaninov's recordings.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 17, 2012, 07:17:43 AM
They look great! I hope Petrenko is as brilliant as he is in Shostakovich's symphonies, in those Rachmaninov's recordings.
Petrenko was already a noted Rachmaninov conductor before he recorded these for EMI. You should check this CD out:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mZOOWTWSvXk/Tzavs2ALrdI/AAAAAAAAJrw/9LZUdA9Ff-4/s1600/front.jpg)
To put it simply: you need this album, Ilaria.
Post by: North Star on September 17, 2012, 07:24:53 AM
Petrenko was already a noted Rachmaninov conductor before he recorded these for EMI. You should check this CD out:That's a great disc, although I've only heard it from Spotify. Ilaria should be all over it.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mZOOWTWSvXk/Tzavs2ALrdI/AAAAAAAAJrw/9LZUdA9Ff-4/s1600/front.jpg)
To put it simply: you need this album, Ilaria.
Post by: Mirror Image on September 17, 2012, 07:25:24 AM
That's a great disc, although I've only heard it from Spotify. Ilaria should be all over it.
Yes, she should. :)
Post by: DavidRoss on September 17, 2012, 07:36:36 AM
That's a great disc, although I've only heard it from Spotify. Ilaria should be all over it.Aye, not a new disc, but a great one, indeed. Nice alternative to Ashkenazy!
Post by: Mirror Image on September 17, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
Post by: Lisztianwagner on September 18, 2012, 07:20:00 AM
Petrenko was already a noted Rachmaninov conductor before he recorded these for EMI. You should check this CD out:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mZOOWTWSvXk/Tzavs2ALrdI/AAAAAAAAJrw/9LZUdA9Ff-4/s1600/front.jpg)
To put it simply: you need this album, Ilaria.
That's a great disc, although I've only heard it from Spotify. Ilaria should be all over it.
Yes, she should. :)
Aye, not a new disc, but a great one, indeed. Nice alternative to Ashkenazy!
Thank you for the feedback, I'm really keen to listen to them! :) I must definitely start saving some money......
Post by: Gordo on September 19, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zFRreJxXDFw
Post by: Gordo on September 19, 2012, 12:06:36 PM
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All of these new releases and more, are available to be heard on line (in quite nice quality, I'd add), here:
http://classicalmusicrecordings.com/album/passo-di-pena-in-pena-cantate-italiane
Post by: Mirror Image on September 19, 2012, 12:58:49 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5099931930925.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/v/zFRreJxXDFw
Don't care anything about this CD, but just wanted to mention how lucky a guy Edward Gardner was for getting his groove on with this woman. I mean damn!
Post by: Que on September 20, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Content:
E8604 Baldassar Castiglione - Il libro del Cortegiano, Venezia, 1528
E8626 Lorenzo il Magnifico - Trionfo di Bacco
E8878 Cristobal de Morales - ca. 1500 - 1553 Office des Ténèbres
E8847 Le Siècle du Titien
E8648 Viva Napoli
E8883 Léonard de Vinci - L’harmonie du monde
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Post by: Madiel on September 22, 2012, 02:20:26 AM
http://www.dacapo-records.dk/en/recording-vagn-holmboe-chamber-music-ii--ensemble-midtvest.aspx
They provided me the link, but the information isn't quite complete yet. Still, lists all the compositions to be included.
Post by: ChamberNut on September 23, 2012, 04:11:15 AM
Post by: Todd on September 25, 2012, 07:35:31 AM
Looks like a new release where the PR folks were concerned strictly with the merits of the playing. If it sells well, more power to everyone involved. I think I'll pass unless I read that it's one of the great recordings of the concerto. (Buniatishvili's Liszt was technically impressive, but not up there with my faves.)
Post by: Gordo on September 25, 2012, 07:51:57 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/4015023242708.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Joseph-Haydn-1732-1809-Die-Sch%F6pfung/hnum/2796081
Post by: Que on September 26, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5400439000070.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Ludwig-van-Beethoven-1770-1827-Missa-Solemnis-op-123/hnum/3169901
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Post by: Que on September 26, 2012, 12:37:31 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760009293083.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Franz-Schubert-1797-1828-Symphonien-Nr-1-9/hnum/3169903
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Post by: DavidRoss on September 26, 2012, 12:41:13 PM
This seems to be a reissue of the Sony recordings - strongly recommended. :)Just in time to compete with:
Post by: Brian on September 26, 2012, 12:49:34 PM
This seems to be a reissue of the Sony recordings - strongly recommended. :)Wow! I didn't know this existed. Guess I will spend some quality time on Naxos Music Library comparing Immerseel and Minkowski. By the way, what a beautiful cover.
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760009293083.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Franz-Schubert-1797-1828-Symphonien-Nr-1-9/hnum/3169903
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Post by: The new erato on September 26, 2012, 01:11:26 PM
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Herbert-von-Karajan-1938-1960-Collection/hnum/4916664 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Herbert-von-Karajan-1938-1960-Collection/hnum/4916664)
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w220/front/0/4053796000019.jpg)
Post by: DavidRoss on September 26, 2012, 01:48:01 PM
(http://www.bridgerecords.com/images/covers/9358.jpg)
Post by: TheGSMoeller on September 26, 2012, 02:51:26 PM
From Bridge:
(http://www.bridgerecords.com/images/covers/9358.jpg)
Marcia Clark?
(http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Animations/A&E%20Marcia.jpg)
Post by: Brian on September 26, 2012, 03:33:20 PM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/naxos8111393.jpg)
Next month, the first in a three-CD series.
Post by: DavidRoss on September 26, 2012, 04:15:11 PM
Marcia Clark?;D
A dead ringer.
Doesn't look the same now, however. See:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/23/marcia-clark-after-simpson-trial (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/23/marcia-clark-after-simpson-trial)
Post by: TheGSMoeller on September 26, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
;D
A dead ringer.
Doesn't look the same now, however. See:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/23/marcia-clark-after-simpson-trial (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/23/marcia-clark-after-simpson-trial)
I know, had to search for the OJ trial Marcia.
Post by: CriticalI on September 26, 2012, 04:51:06 PM
This seems to be a reissue of the Sony recordings - strongly recommended. :)
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/3760009293083.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Franz-Schubert-1797-1828-Symphonien-Nr-1-9/hnum/3169903
Speaking of, I only realised recently that Barenboim's Schubert cycle had been quietly rereleased. Has anyone heard it?
Post by: DavidRoss on September 26, 2012, 07:02:51 PM
Speaking of, I only realised recently that Barenboim's Schubert cycle had been quietly rereleased. Has anyone heard it?His mother, probably.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on September 26, 2012, 07:07:02 PM
His mother, probably.
More than likely her first choice when it comes to a Schubert set.
Post by: CriticalI on September 26, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
Post by: Todd on September 30, 2012, 12:08:37 PM
Speaking of, I only realised recently that Barenboim's Schubert cycle had been quietly rereleased. Has anyone heard it?
Yes. Better Schubert is available, let me put it that way.
Post by: Brian on October 01, 2012, 05:52:12 AM
EDIT: Cover
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Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 01, 2012, 06:42:47 AM
Thomas Fey Haydn update: 89, 102, and Sinfonia concertante in B flat.
Me like. Thanks, Brian.
Post by: Brian on October 01, 2012, 06:54:37 AM
Presto presents listings alphabetically, rather than in the order works are presented on the CD itself, but here are the contents:
Liszt:
Funérailles (Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 173 No. 7)
Transcendental Study, S139 No. 11 'Harmonies du soir'
Sonetti di Petrarca (3) for piano, S. 158
Ravel:
Gaspard de la Nuit
Saint-Saëns:
Danse macabre, Op. 40 (based on the transcription by Franz Liszt)
Post by: Que on October 01, 2012, 09:00:38 PM
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johannes-Brahms-1833-1897-Serenaden-Nr-1-2/hnum/2966853
Interesting! :)
Post by: Brian on October 02, 2012, 07:18:44 AM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-1947.jpg)
Post by: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 08:06:59 AM
Is it just me or is this a spectacular cover?It's a spectacular photo. Great light and depth of field and perfectly suited to the title.
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-1947.jpg)
Post by: DavidRoss on October 02, 2012, 08:08:20 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0852188003072.jpg)! Must hear! Could well best Mackerras, my current reference.
Interesting! :)
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 02, 2012, 02:46:27 PM
Is it just me or is this a spectacular cover?
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-1947.jpg)
Ha! Smaller!
Post by: DavidRoss on October 03, 2012, 03:37:42 AM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-1947.jpg)Ha ha! Even smaller! (Not so spectacular now, is it?) :D
Ha! Smaller!
Seriously, BIS is hit and miss but this one is a bulls eye. We have an awful covers thread. Where's the great covers one?
Post by: Gordo on October 06, 2012, 04:28:26 PM
Historically informed performances on period instruments.
This series will include around 17 CDs (chamber music, complete violin concertos & all orchestral works).
This is the second volume, the first one was this:
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Post by: Mirror Image on October 06, 2012, 07:45:58 PM
(https://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5028421944234.jpg)
Historically informed performances on period instruments.
This series will include around 17 CDs (chamber music, complete violin concertos & all orchestral works).
This is the second volume, the first one was this:
(https://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/5028421943763.jpg)
This should be interesting. I like Locatelli a lot. Unfortunately, the only recording I own is with Fabio Biondi on the Opus 111 label. A great recording though.
Post by: Opus106 on October 07, 2012, 12:51:56 AM
Unfortunately, the only recording I own is with Fabio Biondi on the Opus 111 label. A great recording though.
So why is it an unfortunate situation?
[That should do nicely for this Sunday's Pick on MI segment.]
Post by: kishnevi on October 07, 2012, 03:49:08 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nbES2APVL._SS400_.jpg)
Speaking of Locatelli, there's a single CD of selected concertos from Op. 2 (I think, don't have the CD handy) on Harmonia Mundi, performed by the Freiburgers.
Post by: The new erato on October 07, 2012, 03:51:14 AM
Speaking of Locatelli, there's a single CD of selected concertos from Op. 2 (I think, don't have the CD handy) on Harmonia Mundi, performed by the Freiburgers.I've waited a very long time for a follow up to that disc. I don't feel the urge to sit with half of the op 2, however much I love the Freiburgers. Sometimes I don't understand record companies.
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 07, 2012, 06:11:07 AM
And here are the details on Yevgeny Sudbin's newest BIS recital (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/BIS/BIS1828).
Presto presents listings alphabetically, rather than in the order works are presented on the CD itself, but here are the contents:
Liszt:
Funérailles (Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 173 No. 7)
Transcendental Study, S139 No. 11 'Harmonies du soir'
Sonetti di Petrarca (3) for piano, S. 158
Ravel:
Gaspard de la Nuit
Saint-Saëns:
Danse macabre, Op. 40 (based on the transcription by Franz Liszt)
Wow, very alluring!
Post by: North Star on October 07, 2012, 08:03:54 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rb1gzssML._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Strauss-Alpensinfonie-Symphonische-Fantasie-Orchestra/dp/B008S87SYW/)
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/BIS/BIS1950
Post by: trung224 on October 07, 2012, 08:35:01 AM
This title will be released on October 29, 2012.Thank you, North Star. As a Shipway's admirer, I will buy it though I am very pleased with Kempe's,Haitink's and Karajan's.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rb1gzssML._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Strauss-Alpensinfonie-Symphonische-Fantasie-Orchestra/dp/B008S87SYW/)
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/BIS/BIS1950
Post by: Gordo on October 07, 2012, 09:12:49 AM
Ha ha! Even smaller! (Not so spectacular now, is it?) :D.
Seriously, BIS is hit and miss but this one is a bulls eye. We have an awful covers thread. Where's the great covers one?
... what about this? ;D
Post by: CriticalI on October 10, 2012, 05:05:25 PM
(http://www.buywell.com/images/thumb/m16075t.jpg) (http://www.buywell.com/cgi-bin/buywellic2/efly.html?id=V25eVmJK&mv_arg=16075)
Abbado / LSO - 2 discs
LEOS JANACEK (1854-1928)
Sinfonietta
PAUL HINDEMITH (1895-1963)
Symphonic Metamorphoses on Themes of Weber
SERGEI PROKOFIEV (1891-1953)
Symphony No. 3, Op. 44
Symphony No. 1 in D major, Op. 25 'Classical'
Romeo and Juliet, Op. 64 (excerpts)
Chout (The Buffoon): ballet suite, Op. 21b (excerpts)
Post by: Daverz on October 10, 2012, 05:21:05 PM
I just found out that Australian Eloquence are rereleasing Abbado's famous recording of Prokofiev's 3rd!
Also a bunch of Kertesz reissues that has been hard to find outside of Japan. I already have the Dvorak 9 with the VPO (which preceded the LSO Dvorak set by a few years) and the Wind Serenade on a Japanese issue, and recommend it highly.
Post by: Gordo on October 12, 2012, 02:57:57 AM
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/lang/en/currency/EUR/hnum/1286320/art/Joseph-Haydn-1732-1809-Symphonien-Nr-1-759496100107108
Post by: Scarpia on October 12, 2012, 07:29:21 AM
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Post by: Opus106 on October 12, 2012, 07:37:36 AM
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/lang/en/currency/EUR/hnum/1286320/art/Joseph-Haydn-1732-1809-Symphonien-Nr-1-759496100107108
Thanks, Eric, for the alert. Of course, Harry's insider info saved us all from going :o! ;D It's such a bitter-sweet release, especially for ardent fans: it's all in a box -- yet still incomplete.
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on October 12, 2012, 08:03:13 AM
Thanks, Eric, for the alert. Of course, Harry's insider info saved us all from going :o! ;D It's such a bitter-sweet release, especially for ardent fans: it's all in a box -- yet still incomplete.
I do not understand, I was told it would be complete when I told of this release several months ago :o
Post by: Opus106 on October 12, 2012, 08:12:50 AM
I do not understand, I was told it would be complete when I told of this release several months ago :o
???
From what I remember, you told us the extant recordings were all going to be boxed up. Had you actually mentioned that they were planning to complete it, wouldn't we have see Gurn jump up in joy? ;D ;)
Post by: kishnevi on October 12, 2012, 11:31:59 AM
Beethoven: Complete String Quartets, Vol. 1
Belcea Quartet
So it looks like we have another cycle on the way....
Post by: DavidRoss on October 12, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
Sarge, let us know what you think of this one when your copy arrives.
;D
Post by: Que on October 12, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0028948069002.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/lang/en/currency/EUR/hnum/1286320/art/Joseph-Haydn-1732-1809-Symphonien-Nr-1-759496100107108
Ooooohhhhhh :o :o Wonderful!!! :D :D :D And 70 euros for 33 CDs is damn cheap too. 8)
Q
Post by: Gordo on October 12, 2012, 04:01:18 PM
Thanks, Eric, for the alert. Of course, Harry's insider info saved us all from going :o! ;D It's such a bitter-sweet release, especially for ardent fans: it's all in a box -- yet still incomplete.
You're welcome, Navneeth. Actually, Harry announced this re-release several months ago. :)
Post by: Gordo on October 12, 2012, 04:07:51 PM
I do not understand, I was told it would be complete when I told of this release several months ago :o
Well, these are all the Haydn symphonies recorded by Hogwood, who has not recorded all the symphonies composed by Haydn. Hopefully, he will do it some day. :)
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 12, 2012, 05:11:48 PM
???
From what I remember, you told us the extant recordings were all going to be boxed up. Had you actually mentioned that they were planning to complete it, wouldn't we have see Gurn jump up in joy? ;D ;)
As I see from the advert in Amazon France, it shows just 32 disks, which would mean that they still haven't put in the disk (now on BBC) with #76 & 77. Yes, Navneeth, you would see me jump for joy. Might rattle a tectonic fault or two, but what's an earthquake vs that :D
Right now, Brüggen & Co. working out on Schubert's Bb (2nd) Symphony. Nice little box here. :)
8)
Post by: Gordo on October 13, 2012, 06:52:42 AM
As I see from the advert in Amazon France, it shows just 32 disks, which would mean that they still haven't put in the disk (now on BBC) with #76 & 77. Yes, Navneeth, you would see me jump for joy. Might rattle a tectonic fault or two, but what's an earthquake vs that :D
Right now, Brüggen & Co. working out on Schubert's Bb (2nd) Symphony. Nice little box here. :)
8)
33 CDs according JPC: Symphonies Nos.1-75, 94, 96, 100, 107, 108. I think these are his complete recordings on Decca.
Post by: Scarpia on October 13, 2012, 06:54:47 AM
33 CDs according JPC: Symphonies Nos.1-75, 94, 96, 100, 107, 108. I think these are his complete recordings on Decca.
Astonishing that they would come so close to finishing the cycle, and stop (especially after most of the least-popular symphonies were already in the can). I can only assume the Decca was teetering so close to insolvency that the extra sessions would have sent them to the liquidators.
Post by: Gordo on October 14, 2012, 07:14:44 AM
Clarinet Quintet in A K581
Quintet fragments K581a, K580b, K516c
in completions by Robert Levin and Franz Beyer
Colin Lawson - Clarinet
The Revolutionary Drawing Room
Quote
Mozart created the medium of the Clarinet Quintet K581 by means of a process that involved a number of preliminary experimental fragments, all of which can also be heard on this disc. Like the Clarinet Concerto, the Quintet K581 was intended for Stadler’s basset clarinet in A, which was furnished with an additional four semitones at the bottom of the compass. Colin Lawson’s boxwood basset clarinet (modelled on Viennese instruments of the period) was especially created for him in 1988 by the Cambridge maker Daniel Bangham. For the Allegro in F K580b he plays the more brilliant clarinet in C and is joined by Michael Harris (basset horn). The Allegro K516c features the extremely rare Bb basset clarinet used elsewhere by Mozart only in the virtuoso obbligato to ‘Parto, parto’ from La Clemenza di Tito. Colin Lawson, described by BBC Music Magazine as ‘the doyen of period clarinettists’ explores Mozart’s original sound world in partnership with his colleagues from The Revolutionary Drawing Room.
http://www.clarinetclassics.com/shop/mozart-2/
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Clarinet%2BClassics/CC0068
Post by: madaboutmahler on October 14, 2012, 08:12:41 AM
Looks very exciting indeed! Weilerstein's performance with Barenboim and the Berlin Phil of the Elgar I remember as being one of my favourite performances of the concerto, so I really look forward to hearing a recording of her performance!
Post by: nico1616 on October 14, 2012, 01:07:34 PM
As I see from the advert in Amazon France, it shows just 32 disks, which would mean that they still haven't put in the disk (now on BBC) with #76 & 77.
Hogwood has the best #76 & 77, such a pity they did not include these!
Post by: Lisztianwagner on October 14, 2012, 01:30:26 PM
Saw this one on the GMG 'Releases this Week' banner:
Looks very exciting indeed! Weilerstein's performance with Barenboim and the Berlin Phil of the Elgar I remember as being one of my favourite performances of the concerto, so I really look forward to hearing a recording of her performance!
I agree, it seems to be an excellent recording, Barenboim is a fine elgarian interpreter. I remember that performance you mentioned very well, Alisa Weilerstein is spectacular there indeed.
Post by: DavidRoss on October 14, 2012, 02:37:02 PM
Weilerstein's performance with Barenboim and the Berlin Phil of the Elgar I remember as being one of my favourite performances of the concerto, so I really look forward to hearing a recording of her performance!It was one of the ideals deals I considered for about 5 seconds. Memories of Barenboim's horrendous Elgar recording with his wife on the big fiddle gave me the willies!
Post by: Brian on October 31, 2012, 01:31:39 PM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.572488.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.573005.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.572164.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.572730.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.572752.jpg)
The booklet of the Rihm CD includes an interview with the composer.
And on friends of Naxos!
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/6.220544.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/DSL-92163.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/DSL-92161.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/GP634.jpg) (http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/GP632.jpg)
The Mozart is 31, 33, 34 plus an early sketch of 31's andante. The Dorian CD is Weill's Violin Concerto, Ibert's Cello Concerto, and Berg's Chamber Concerto.
Post by: Mirror Image on October 31, 2012, 02:52:16 PM
Post by: trung224 on November 01, 2012, 01:08:22 AM
Gustav Leonhardt and Tafelmusik performed Bach's Brandenburg Concerto and Violin Concertos
http://tower.jp/item/3164155/J-S-Bach%EF%BC%9A-Brandenburg-Concertos,-Violin-Concertos,-Harpsichord-Concerto,-etc%EF%BC%9C%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E
Bylsma and Asperen performed Bach's Cello Suites and Sonatas for Viola da Gamba
http://tower.jp/item/3164158/J-S-Bach%EF%BC%9A-Suites-for-Violoncello-Solo-BWV-1007-BWV-1012,-etc%EF%BC%9C%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E
Post by: Willoughby earl of Itacarius on November 01, 2012, 01:31:51 AM
Some of classic recordings coming back soon :D
Gustav Leonhardt and Tafelmusik performed Bach's Brandenburg Concerto and Violin Concertos
http://tower.jp/item/3164155/J-S-Bach%EF%BC%9A-Brandenburg-Concertos,-Violin-Concertos,-Harpsichord-Concerto,-etc%EF%BC%9C%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E
Bylsma and Asperen performed Bach's Cello Suites and Sonatas for Viola da Gamba
http://tower.jp/item/3164158/J-S-Bach%EF%BC%9A-Suites-for-Violoncello-Solo-BWV-1007-BWV-1012,-etc%EF%BC%9C%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E
O, and many more on their way.................
Post by: Daverz on November 01, 2012, 02:00:52 AM
New on Naxos!
I'm sure I'll pick up the Hindemith and Weinberg. Why the Zelenka works aren't more popular is a mystery to me.
Post by: madaboutmahler on November 01, 2012, 06:35:40 AM
:D :D Looks very exciting! Nelsons really is one of the most exciting, incredible conductors around in my opinion. Hoping to see him conduct this work in concert next year. :)
Post by: Wanderer on November 01, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
Also, my eye was caught today by this:
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0761195119129.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Erich-Wolfgang-Korngold-1897-1957-Much-Ado-about-Nothing-op-11-Komplette-B%FChnenmusik/hnum/3195993)
This is a first recording of the complete incidental music to the op.11 Much Ado About Nothing and also, in my book, one can never have too many recordings of the effervescent, marvelous Sinfonietta.
Post by: Mirror Image on November 02, 2012, 06:49:15 AM
A new Nelsons release:
:D :D Looks very exciting! Nelsons really is one of the most exciting, incredible conductors around in my opinion. Hoping to see him conduct this work in concert next year. :)
Yes! Nelsons is a good Shostakovich conductor. I hope he completes the symphony cycle.
Post by: Gordo on November 02, 2012, 08:16:32 AM
Some of classic recordings coming back soon :D
Gustav Leonhardt and Tafelmusik performed Bach's Brandenburg Concerto and Violin Concertos
http://tower.jp/item/3164155/J-S-Bach%EF%BC%9A-Brandenburg-Concertos,-Violin-Concertos,-Harpsichord-Concerto,-etc%EF%BC%9C%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E
Bylsma and Asperen performed Bach's Cello Suites and Sonatas for Viola da Gamba
http://tower.jp/item/3164158/J-S-Bach%EF%BC%9A-Suites-for-Violoncello-Solo-BWV-1007-BWV-1012,-etc%EF%BC%9C%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%9B%A4%EF%BC%9E
Thanks for this info, trung224.
I will order that 3Cd-set with the cello suites and the sonatas for viola da gamba, just to have the sonatas played on cello piccolo and organ.
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0887254638728.jpg)
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Post by: Lisztianwagner on November 02, 2012, 08:56:23 AM
A new Nelsons release:
Looks pretty good. :) I'm very interested in Nelsons' recordings, especially since I listened to his outstanding Lohengrin at the last Bayreuth Festival.
Post by: Que on November 07, 2012, 01:49:33 PM
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Post by: Que on November 07, 2012, 02:16:36 PM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0887254639022.jpg) (http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0887254639626.jpg)
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Post by: Brian on November 07, 2012, 02:24:24 PM
And it gets better...Cannot see this one!
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0887254639022.jpg)
Q
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 07, 2012, 09:22:13 PM
Stumbled upon some interesting new box sets on Naïve! :)
There're some nice voices on that set. Piau is amazing in the Debussy (and so is Immerseel on his period Erard piano), and Lemieux I have in Handel and Brahms, which may or may not translate into good French but I'm betting it will.
Kruysen I don't know a whole lot about but the one Ravel song LP I have of his is quite good.
Post by: The new erato on November 08, 2012, 11:41:44 AM
http://www.channelclassics.com/complete-sonatas-for-violin-and-piano-mozart.html (http://www.channelclassics.com/complete-sonatas-for-violin-and-piano-mozart.html)
(http://www.channelclassics.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/280x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/l/bl_1202_mozart.jpg)
Priced as 4 discs.
Post by: Opus106 on November 08, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
Not as much new as repackaged:
http://www.channelclassics.com/complete-sonatas-for-violin-and-piano-mozart.html (http://www.channelclassics.com/complete-sonatas-for-violin-and-piano-mozart.html)
(http://www.channelclassics.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/280x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/l/bl_1202_mozart.jpg)
Priced as 4 discs.
Finally! (Although Mr. Cooper's pose is rather weird.)
Post by: North Star on November 08, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
Finally! (Although Mr. Cooper's pose is rather weird.)But Podger is well aware of Cooper, and has her martial arts / catfight pose ready if he tries anything ;D
Post by: Opus106 on November 08, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
Post by: PaulSC on November 09, 2012, 11:00:47 AM
But Podger is well aware of Cooper, and has her martial arts / catfight pose ready if he tries anything ;DActually, the image has been edited to conceal the fact that period instruments are being used. Very suspicious…
Post by: Brian on November 09, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
Noticed while browsing the JCP website last night (although I didn't click to find out the details) a listing for release on October 15 (in Germany, obviously)
Beethoven: Complete String Quartets, Vol. 1
Belcea Quartet
So it looks like we have another cycle on the way....
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/zigzagzzt315.jpg)
Listen to the sound samples. (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Zigzag/ZZT315) Op 127 sounds like it's going to be one of my favorite performances (not that I've heard very many, compared to other GMGers).
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on November 09, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
Actually, the image has been edited to conceal the fact that period instruments are being used. Very suspicious…
:D
Post by: Daverz on November 09, 2012, 08:58:44 PM
But Podger is well aware of Cooper, and has her martial arts / catfight pose ready if he tries anything ;D
Cooper: Braaaaainsssss.
Podger: What a tosser.
Post by: Gordo on November 11, 2012, 03:00:07 AM
Stumbled upon some interesting new box sets on Naïve! :)
Less recent:
Q
The discs of that Sacred Music box set are strictly amazing. Just saying. :)
Post by: Gordo on November 17, 2012, 08:11:16 AM
(http://www.warnerclassics.com/ugc-1/releases/6166/6279_large.jpg)
12 CDs
http://www.warnerclassics.com/release,FransBruggenEdition_6166.htm
http://www.grainger.de/dbe/cds/reccds/brueggen14.html
Post by: Que on November 17, 2012, 09:25:50 AM
A new (and great) re-release:
(http://www.warnerclassics.com/ugc-1/releases/6166/6279_large.jpg)
12 CDs
http://www.warnerclassics.com/release,FransBruggenEdition_6166.htm
http://www.grainger.de/dbe/cds/reccds/brueggen14.html
Niiiiccceee!! :) :) Definitely on shopping list!
Pity there is not - apart from the modest Dutch 75th anniversary edition - an edition devoted to Brüggen the conductor. Maybe Universal thinks it is too soon for that? ::) (Though he is 78 now..)
Q
Post by: Opus106 on November 17, 2012, 09:33:19 AM
Maybe Universal thinks it is too soon for that? ::) (Though he is 78 now..)
Q
80 is the golden number.
Post by: Gordo on November 18, 2012, 04:01:29 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61XnkLrBoYL._AA500_.jpg)
Post by: Wanderer on November 19, 2012, 04:55:29 AM
On Blu-ray. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symphonies-Totenfeier-Concertgebouw-Orchestra/dp/B000VXLHWG/ref=zg_bsnr_383380011_65)
Post by: Brian on November 19, 2012, 10:24:51 AM
Analekta new release of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos (Ensemble Caprice), with a twist:
“This is no ordinary recording of J.S. Bach’s six masterpieces of Baroque instrumental music. For starters, the pieces are interwoven with period-instrument transcriptions of piano music written in the early 1950s by Russian composer Dmitri Shostakovich. It seems like a crazy mishmash, unless you happen to know that Shostakovich drew inspiration for his Op. 87 set of 24 preludes and fugues directly from Bach. With clever, colourful instrumentation and judicious transposition into
different keys by Montreal-based Matthias Maute, old and newer compositions coexist as complements, shedding light back and forth on each other."
Post by: Que on November 19, 2012, 10:53:19 AM
Graupner and the chalumeaux look like an interesting offer, isn't it? :)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61XnkLrBoYL._AA500_.jpg)
Indeed! :) I spotted that as well. Will have to make a comparison with the Veilhan recordings.
Q
Post by: kishnevi on November 19, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
Indeed! :) I spotted that as well. Will have to make a comparison with the Veilhan recordings.
Q
Thank you. Letzbor has yet to let me down on the three of his recordings I have, so hopefully this will be four in a row.
Post by: Que on November 19, 2012, 10:51:54 PM
Thank you. Letzbor has yet to let me down on the three of his recordings I have, so hopefully this will be four in a row.
And good to see he found a new home at Challenge Records after the demise of Symphonia (rec. now being reissued on Pan Classics), where he moved after the demise of ARCANA (resurrected and rec. available again).
His recording with Bernarda Fink of Francesco Conti's Cantate con istromenti is for me the jewel in the crown sofar. I always hope there will one day be a sequel to that with the remaining cantatas - maybe Challenge will be up to the challenge! ;D
Q
Post by: North Star on November 19, 2012, 11:15:19 PM
What the!
Analekta new release of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos (Ensemble Caprice), with a twist:
“This is no ordinary recording of J.S. Bach’s six masterpieces of Baroque instrumental music. For starters, the pieces are interwoven with period-instrument transcriptions of piano music written in the early 1950s by Russian composer Dmitri Shostakovich. It seems like a crazy mishmash, unless you happen to know that Shostakovich drew inspiration for his Op. 87 set of 24 preludes and fugues directly from Bach. With clever, colourful instrumentation and judicious transposition into
different keys by Montreal-based Matthias Maute, old and newer compositions coexist as complements, shedding light back and forth on each other."
Interesting. They seem to have omitted the '& Fugues' part of the pieces title, even though the first track on the album is a fugue (but that is the only one). The album is on Spotify, I'll probably listen to it when I have time.
Post by: The new erato on November 20, 2012, 01:05:39 AM
His recording with Bernarda Fink of Francesco Conti's Cantate con istromenti is for me the jewel in the crown sofar. I always hope there will one day be a sequel to that with the remaining cantatas - maybe Challenge will be up to the challenge! ;DI think we exchanged views of that in my time as a juvenile on this forum - and I cannot say how much I am in agreement, though I fear this ship has sailed. Caldara and Conti is two Vienna based baroque composers whose flag need to be flown in a more externsive way by some dedicated label (though not to say that we don't soprely need more Hasse, Bononcini and Porpora.....).
Q
Post by: Brian on November 21, 2012, 10:38:48 AM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/chandoschsa5115.jpg)
Measuring up to the recent Broja/Wit will be a stiff challenge, but Edward Gardner's Polish music series is going very well so far.
Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
In January, Louis Lortie and Edward Gardner team up for Szymanowski's Symphony No 4.
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/chandoschsa5115.jpg)
Measuring up to the recent Broja/Wit will be a stiff challenge, but Edward Gardner's Polish music series is going very well so far.
Excellent! Will definitely be buying it. Thanks for the heads-up, Brian. Szymanowski is a favorite of mine.
Post by: Brian on November 21, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/bisbis1751.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/bisbis1827.jpg)
Bergen/Litton duplicating the program from maybe Vasily Petrenko's best CD yet; Christian Poltera playing Barber's cello music.
Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2012, 01:25:58 PM
Here are two more January releases.
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/bisbis1751.jpg) (http://i.prs.to/t_200/bisbis1827.jpg)
Bergen/Litton duplicating the program from maybe Vasily Petrenko's best CD yet; Christian Poltera playing Barber's cello music.
Yawn.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on November 21, 2012, 02:51:36 PM
Yawn.
(http://operachic.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/22/gustavo.jpg)
Way to go, John. Now Dudamel is pissed.
Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2012, 04:28:19 PM
(http://operachic.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/22/gustavo.jpg)
Way to go, John. Now Dudamel is pissed.
Yeah, but not as pissed as Rattle:
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/SimonRattle021008_450x371.jpg)
Post by: Daverz on November 21, 2012, 05:19:29 PM
(http://operachic.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/22/gustavo.jpg)
The Dudeman must be a follower of Don Martin.
Post by: Gordo on November 24, 2012, 07:21:09 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81PMM0uof3L._AA1500_.jpg)
This disc will apparently be a winner, as usually happens with every recording touched by Mrs. Huggett:
http://www.youtube.com/v/gEeQaYoAAAM
:)
Post by: Gordo on November 25, 2012, 08:54:23 AM
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67795&vw=dc
http://www.youtube.com/v/_JdZm7_17NA
(1:40)
... and here is the third movement of the violin concerto in D minor:
http://www.musicme.com/#/Alina-Ibragimova/titres/Violin-Concerto-In-D:-Iii.-Allegro-t2943074.html
No bad at all, I think. 8)
Post by: Mirror Image on November 25, 2012, 10:34:26 PM
Can't say I'm necessarily looking forward to this recording, but Gergiev has turned in a good 7th on the Philips label. It could be interesting to hear what he has to say with this work now.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on November 26, 2012, 04:14:35 AM
Coming in December:
Can't say I'm necessarily looking forward to this recording, but Gergiev has turned in a good 7th on the Philips label. It could be interesting to hear what he has to say with this work now.
It will all depend on the size of the toothpick he conducts with.
Post by: Mirror Image on November 26, 2012, 08:51:32 AM
It will all depends on the size of the toothpick he conducts with.
:P
Post by: edward on November 30, 2012, 02:07:35 PM
In January, Louis Lortie and Edward Gardner team up for Szymanowski's Symphony No 4.That could be very good, I think: I can see Lortie doing a fine job with the solo part (haven't heard his Lutoslawski concerto also with Gardner, but imagine it would suit him pretty well too).
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/chandoschsa5115.jpg)
Measuring up to the recent Broja/Wit will be a stiff challenge, but Edward Gardner's Polish music series is going very well so far.
Brian, do you know Wit's earlier EMI Szymanowski? I'd probably say I tend to prefer those recordings by a hair--particularly the Symphonie concertante thanks to Piotr Paleczny's incisive reading of the solo part. (I guess it's a work that really suits Paleczny, as there was also once a BBC Radio Classics issue where he's also extremely fine.)
Post by: Lisztianwagner on December 01, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
Wergo's essential reissues from their famous 1960s era Studio Reihe series continue with a recording of music by Karlheinz Stockhausen. The composer's Zyklus fur einen Schlagzeuger is offered in two different versions performed by two different performers, Max Neuhaus and Christoph Caskel. Stockhausen originally wrote the work for the Kranichstein Percussion Competition in 1959. He deliberately did not determine the length of the piece's performance, so as not to be overly specific concerning the work's multiplicity of meanings, the different characters of various performances, or the technical abilities of the players. For Klavierstuck X, performed here by the legendary pianist Frederic Rzewski, Stockhausen combined two extremes. The work is based on the attempt to mediate between relative disorder and order, chaos and balance.
This recording looks very interesting, Zyklus and Klavierstuck X are certainly great works.
Post by: Brian on December 02, 2012, 09:15:21 AM
That could be very good, I think: I can see Lortie doing a fine job with the solo part (haven't heard his Lutoslawski concerto also with Gardner, but imagine it would suit him pretty well too).
Brian, do you know Wit's earlier EMI Szymanowski? I'd probably say I tend to prefer those recordings by a hair--particularly the Symphonie concertante thanks to Piotr Paleczny's incisive reading of the solo part. (I guess it's a work that really suits Paleczny, as there was also once a BBC Radio Classics issue where he's also extremely fine.)
I don't know Wit's earlier Szymanowski, and the EMI catalogue that's been added to NML doesn't include it. :(
I DO see a Paleczny recording on NML with Kazimierz Kord and the Warsaw Philharmonic.
Post by: North Star on December 02, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
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On volume four of his widely acclaimed traversal of Mozart's music for solo keyboard, fortepianist Kristian Bezuidenhout performs on an instrument by Paul McNulty, modeled on a Viennese original by Anton Walter and Sohn (c.1805). The program includes Piano Sonatas in D major K.311 and G major K.283 and the lovely Variations on 'Je suis Lindor' in E flat Major, K.354.
Post by: Lisztianwagner on December 03, 2012, 04:49:21 AM
Of course, I'm absolutely keen to get the CD as well!
Post by: Gordo on December 03, 2012, 07:44:49 AM
Bezuidenhout's Mozart in January!
He has experienced an outstanding transformation in three years.
Post by: kishnevi on December 19, 2012, 07:18:01 PM
Amazon blurb describes the contents thusly
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Felix s Quartet in A Minor, Op 13, was completed in 1832. The quartet contains an allegro vivace, adagio non lento, allegretto con moto, and presto finale. Each movement is unique in its own way and portrays Felix s powerful voice as a composer. In 1834, Fanny composed the string Quartet in E flat Major. This string quartet contains an eloquent opening Adagio, C minor Allegretto, slow, yet intense, intense Romanze in G minor, and a challenging Allegro moderato finale. Lastly, Felix wrote The Quartet in F Minor, Op. 80, months following Fanny s death. The piece contains an anguished Allegro vivace assai, dark Allegro assai, moving Adagio in A flat major, and Finale that expresses extreme grief up to its anguished closing bars. This powerful piece would prove to be Felix s final piece as he died months after its completion.
Post by: Gordo on December 20, 2012, 03:02:50 PM
February 12, 2013
Post by: kishnevi on December 20, 2012, 07:59:17 PM
.
February 12, 2013
Hopefully, this will fall more in the category of his WTC (which I more or less like) than in the category of his Goldbergs (which I decidedly dislike as being much too lethargic).
Meanwhile, I overlooked this one, also from Virgin, and also on 1/22/13
Post by: Gordo on December 25, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/aliavoxavdvd9896.jpg)
Bach, J S - Mass in B minor, BWV232
2 HYBRID SACDs: Audio multichannel version of the concert
DVD1: Captured at Fontfroide Festival in 2011 in the nave of the Abbey Church.
DVD2: documentary 'Bach and Savall in Fontfroide' about the rehearsals of the Mass in B minor (French only)
Céline Scheen (soprano), Marianne Beate Kielland (alto), Pascal Bertin (alto), Makoto Sakurada (tenor), Stephan MacLeod (bass)
La Capella Reial de Catalunya & Le Concert des Nations, Jordi Savall
Scheduled for release on 14 January 2013 (Presto Classical).
Post by: kishnevi on December 25, 2012, 09:02:14 PM
(actually it was released last month)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61zYpf92PzL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
The Amazon write up identifies the soloist as a "fortepianist"[ETA: and now that I enlarged it for this post, and can read it, so does the CD cover], so presumably these are PI performances.
Post by: Gordo on December 25, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
Spotted this on GMG's Amazon new releases banner
(actually it was released last month)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61zYpf92PzL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
The Amazon write up identifies the soloist as a "fortepianist", so presumably these are PI performances.
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Hummel: Piano Concertos Volume 1
Composer Johann Nepomuk Hummel (1778-1837)
Format 1 CD Jewelcase
Cat. Number 94338
EAN Code 5028421943381
Conductor Didier Talpain
Fortepiano Alessandro Commellato
Orchestra Solamente Naturali
About this release
As the vibrant works on this new recording demonstrate, the music of Johann Nepomuk Hummel (1778--1837) deserves to be far better known today than it is. While he was one of the most famous and celebrated composers of the Classical period, his popularity declined rapidly after his death, with the onset of Romanticism, and it is only now that musicians have begun to effect a serious revival of his repertoire.
Hummel's parallel career as a concert pianist is evident from the sparkling virtuosity of the works heard on this disc, all for fortepiano and orchestra: they span his development from a young composer in the thrall of his mentor Mozart (heard in the charming Piano Concertino in G) to the drama and supreme virtuosity of his final period of creativity (Introduction & Rondo brillant in F minor). It is clear that Romanticism was beginning to take root during his lifetime; the Piano Concerto in A minor, for example, prefigures Chopin in its delicacy, and it is unsurprising that Hummel's music proved an inspiration to the younger composer.
Alessandro Commellato, Solamente Naturali and Didier Talpain are specialists in the performance of Hummel's works, having already recorded a number of his compositions for Brilliant Classics -- from chamber music to opera. As their performances demonstrate, Hummel's music is highly deserving of revival, and will particularly delight listeners who enjoy the piano concertos of Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin.
Other information:
- The start of an important and exciting series: the complete piano concertos of Hummel played on period instruments.
- First recordings on period instruments, recorded in 2009 and 2010.
- Includes booklet notes and a biography of Hummel.
- Previous releases of Hummel's music on Brilliant Classics include: Piano Septets (94041), the opera Mathilde (94043) conducted by Didier Talpain, and a disc of music written for the Esterházy family (94115), performed by Didier Talpain, Chorus Alea and Solamente Naturali.
- Fortepianist Alessandro Commellato displayed his great skills in the performance of Hummel's Septet (BC 94041) and Solamente Naturali conducted by Didier Talpain proved their championship of Hummel with the recording of the opera Mathilda (BC 94043) and the Masses (BC 94115).
Post by: kishnevi on December 25, 2012, 09:13:44 PM
Muy rapido, mi amigo! (and Feliz Navidad, what's left of it!)
Post by: Gordo on December 25, 2012, 09:16:01 PM
Muy rapido, mi amigo! (and Feliz Navidad, what's left of it!)
¡Feliz Navidad para ti también, Jeffrey! :)
Post by: Octave on December 26, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
Post by: Opus106 on December 26, 2012, 10:14:21 PM
New Old Release:
[Spotted at DE]
Even with 50 discs, I wonder if it will cover all the solo piano and his conducting, let alone concerti and chamber music.
Post by: Que on December 27, 2012, 01:42:42 AM
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/4026798107611.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Orgelwerke-Gesamtaufnahme-auf-Silbermann-Orgeln-SACD/hnum/3172801
Ewald Kooiman; Ute Gremmel-Geuchen; Gerhard Gnann; Bernhard Klapprott (Organ)
This is the first complete Johann Sebastian Bach Organ Edition on Super Audio CD available in surround sound and played on famous historic organs on a label which is famous for it’s experience with organ recordings. In the same time it is a very precious and detailed documentation of the Silbermann organ tradition in the Alsace and includes the most beautiful and important instruments of this organ builder dynasty.
All the recordings have been realized simultaneously in two channel stereo and in five channel surround sound with state of the art equipment using the famous DPA 4006 microphones all over.
The booklet texts have been written by the German musicologist Peter Wollny (Bach-Archiv Leipzig) and by the Alsatian Silbermann expert Marc Schaefer (on the instruments).
I must admit that so far I have never been so keen on Bach performed on Silbermann organs - it's quite another game altogether...
Q
Post by: The new erato on December 27, 2012, 01:48:53 AM
[Paging Ilaria]Especially as it, as an original jacket collection, mostly will contain 30 CDs worth of music.
New Old Release:
[Spotted at DE]
Even with 50 discs, I wonder if it will cover all the solo piano and his conducting, let alone concerti and chamber music.
Post by: trung224 on December 27, 2012, 02:08:57 AM
I ran across mention of new EMI Icon releases for early 2013: Constantin Silvestri, Brigitte Fassbaender, Arturo Toscanini, Boris Christoff, and John McCormack. I saw these listed as forthcoming releases in an "EMI Icon" search under the "Klassik" shop at Amazon.de. Only front covers when I checked; no track listings or back cover pics. I am especially happy about the Fassbaender and Christoff! Too bad I bought her WINTERREISE just a week ago; it will make a chilly gift to some friend.Yeah. At last, the Silvestri icon' boxset will be release. If you want the interesting (but unconventional) way of Russian and Eastern European music, Silvestri is your man.
Post by: Opus106 on December 27, 2012, 05:28:39 AM
[Paging Ilaria]
New Old Release:
[Spotted at DE]
Even with 50 discs, I wonder if it will cover all the solo piano and his conducting, let alone concerti and chamber music.
Especially as it, as an original jacket collection, mostly will contain 30 CDs worth of music.
Complete track listing available at Decca Classics (http://www.deccaclassics.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4785093). 5 CDs of Shostakovich -- enough said.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 27, 2012, 06:22:31 AM
Complete track listing available at Decca Classics (http://www.deccaclassics.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4785093). 5 CDs of Shostakovich -- enough said.
Generous programming, to be sure.
But, oh, Decca, you oafs:
Quote from: Decca
Violin Concerto No.1 in A minor, Op.99 (formerly Op.77)
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 27, 2012, 07:02:14 AM
Classic example of brain-mush being self-published on Wikipedia. Someone convert "the time-lag between composition and performance is the reason that it was originally listed as Opus 77" into intelligent English.
And we love the especially weaselly passive voice here: "Opus 77 was then allocated to Three Pieces for Orchestra." (God bless Wikipedia: this is the first I ever learnt any such thing. And the most important bit of information here — who did the re-allocating — is conveniently omitted.)
And this was "due to [the] fact" that "Shostakovich shelved the concerto until after Stalin's demise, and then released the concerto under the Opus 99 numeration." The dodgy logical connection aside, while I should revisit the relevant passage in Fay, the composer "releasing the concerto under the Opus 99 numeration" strikes me as mistaking the relation between Shostakovich and publisher for the publication culture of the West.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 27, 2012, 09:01:54 AM
Since my first and primary exposure to the work was the David Oistrakh recording, which uses the Op. 99 I did not find anything dodgy about that numeration.
Ho capito, and I have seen that cover : )
This Sunday I should have more time for a better-documented post. I thought I had posted somewhat, over at the Dacha, but . . . maybe not.
FWIW, there's another Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Dmitri_Shostakovich), where it reads:
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•Op. 77: Violin Concerto No. 1 in A minor (1947–1948, originally published as Op. 99
. . . with a footnote to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music.
Post by: Opus106 on December 27, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
Ho capito, and I have seen that cover : )
This Sunday I should have more time for a better-documented post. I thought I had posted somewhat, over at the Dacha, but . . . maybe not.
FWIW, there's another Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Dmitri_Shostakovich), where it reads:
. . . with a footnote to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music.
As you said, this is mentioned in Laurel Fay's biography (as an end-note on page 329). But Amazon's sneak-peek thingy is not conducive to copying text to the clipboard. The gist, however, is this: initially assigned 99 to chronologically match the date of first performance, then reassigned to 77, to match the date of composition. 99 is currently provided to the music for the film The First Echelon.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on December 27, 2012, 09:13:42 AM
Post by: (: premont :) on December 27, 2012, 10:17:24 AM
Did we already post this? :)
(http://www.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/4026798107611.jpg)
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Johann-Sebastian-Bach-1685-1750-Orgelwerke-Gesamtaufnahme-auf-Silbermann-Orgeln-SACD/hnum/3172801
Ewald Kooiman; Ute Gremmel-Geuchen; Gerhard Gnann; Bernhard Klapprott (Organ)
This is the first complete Johann Sebastian Bach Organ Edition on Super Audio CD available in surround sound and played on famous historic organs on a label which is famous for it’s experience with organ recordings. In the same time it is a very precious and detailed documentation of the Silbermann organ tradition in the Alsace and includes the most beautiful and important instruments of this organ builder dynasty.
All the recordings have been realized simultaneously in two channel stereo and in five channel surround sound with state of the art equipment using the famous DPA 4006 microphones all over.
The booklet texts have been written by the German musicologist Peter Wollny (Bach-Archiv Leipzig) and by the Alsatian Silbermann expert Marc Schaefer (on the instruments).
I must admit that so far I have never been so keen on Bach performed on Silbermann organs - it's quite another game altogether...
Q
This is Bach on Andreas Silbermann organs, more French in concept than Gottfried Silbermann organs. Maybe not that obvious for Bach´s organ music. I am afraid, that this long expected release will disappoint, not the least because the Kooiman-pupils share the lions share of the recordings. Never-the-less I have (of course) ordered it.
Post by: Brian on December 27, 2012, 11:16:59 AM
Post by: Opus106 on December 27, 2012, 11:30:28 AM
Post by: Lisztianwagner on December 27, 2012, 12:11:57 PM
[Paging Ilaria]
New Old Release:
[Spotted at DE]
Even with 50 discs, I wonder if it will cover all the solo piano and his conducting, let alone concerti and chamber music.
:o :o ;D ;D
Post by: edward on December 27, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
the complete Lutoslawski symphonies (Los Angeles Philharmonic, conducted by Esa-Pekka Salonen).Are 2, 3 & 4 new recordings, or reissues of the older ones? (As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a LAPO/Salonen 1st.)
Post by: The new erato on December 27, 2012, 03:13:16 PM
Post by: trung224 on December 27, 2012, 03:15:43 PM
Coming in 2013: the complete Beethoven symphonies (Academy of St. Martin-in-the-Fields, conducted by Joshua Bell) and the complete Lutoslawski symphonies (Los Angeles Philharmonic, conducted by Esa-Pekka Salonen).Well, Lutoslawski symphonies by LAPO and Salonen can be great combo. But I have no hope for Bell and the Academy of St. Martin-in-the-Fields in Beethoven. The Academy of St. Martin-in-the-Fields is the good, provincing orchestra in Baroque and Classical era (but never IMHO suit with Romantic music) plus the faceless interpreter like Joshua Bell, I can imagine the result.
Post by: kishnevi on December 27, 2012, 08:23:35 PM
You left off [citation needed] ; )
Classic example of brain-mush being self-published on Wikipedia. Someone convert "the time-lag between composition and performance is the reason that it was originally listed as Opus 77" into intelligent English.
And we love the especially weaselly passive voice here: "Opus 77 was then allocated to Three Pieces for Orchestra." (God bless Wikipedia: this is the first I ever learnt any such thing. And the most important bit of information here — who did the re-allocating — is conveniently omitted.)
And this was "due to [the] fact" that "Shostakovich shelved the concerto until after Stalin's demise, and then released the concerto under the Opus 99 numeration." The dodgy logical connection aside, while I should revisit the relevant passage in Fay, the composer "releasing the concerto under the Opus 99 numeration" strikes me as mistaking the relation between Shostakovich and publisher for the publication culture of the West.
The Vladimir Davidovich box would probably interest me greatly if I didn't already have half of it on my shelves.
Regarding Op. 99/77--I once read (I don't remember where, but it certainly was not Wikipedia) that DSCH did some minor tinkering with the score so he could tell the apparatchiki it was a new work, with a different opus number, and not some of that old despised Formalist trash he happened to have still lying around the house. But I don't remember what the changes supposedly were, and the "true" opus number was inserted as early as was politically possible.
Post by: Brian on December 27, 2012, 09:47:54 PM
(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/AMG/covers/large/242/2424757.jpg)
Post by: Mirror Image on December 27, 2012, 09:49:33 PM
Ooooh!
(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/AMG/covers/large/242/2424757.jpg)
Nice! Will definitely be getting that one. I'm sure Greg will as well.
Post by: The new erato on December 27, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Aeon/AECD1225 (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Aeon/AECD1225)
Gerhard:
String Quartet No. 2
String Quartet No. 1
Chaconne for Solo Violin
Arditti Quartet
Post by: jlaurson on December 28, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
Ooooh!
(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/AMG/covers/large/242/2424757.jpg)
Take THAT, biches!
(Too bad that in 2016 the orchestra won't exist anymore. Well... not in that form... being merged with the SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg. Presumably neither Stéphane Denève nor François-Xavier Roth will hang around beyond that date, anyway.)
Post by: Gordo on December 28, 2012, 06:50:33 AM
Never-the-less I have (of course) ordered it.
Source, please? :)
Post by: Opus106 on December 28, 2012, 07:13:41 AM
Source, please? :)
Abeille currently has a discount that makes it cheaper than JPC. :)
Post by: Mirror Image on December 28, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
Take THAT, biches!
(Too bad that in 2016 the orchestra won't exist anymore. Well... not in that form... being merged with the SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg. Presumably neither Stéphane Denève nor François-Xavier Roth will hang around beyond that date, anyway.)
Just my opinion but Deneve should've stayed with the RSNO. He was being recorded a lot more than he is right now it seems. Do you know why Deneve left the RSNO, Jens?
Post by: Brian on December 28, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
Just my opinion but Deneve should've stayed with the RSNO. He was being recorded a lot more than he is right now it seems. Do you know why Deneve left the RSNO, Jens?
FYI recording for Naxos is not something artists really do for the money; also relationships aren't necessarily with orchestras. For instance, the Baltimore and Sao Paulo orchestras are on Naxos owing to the presence of Marin Alsop, rather than vice versa. The SWR orchestras have a longstanding relationship with Hanssler.
I am curious to know the answer to your question, though. The RSNO replaced Deneve with Peter Oundjian, who is comparatively young in the conducting world (just 57!) but is sixteen years older than Deneve. I haven't seen Oundjian or heard his work, but he has been quite successful in Toronto for the last eight years.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on December 28, 2012, 12:47:08 PM
(Too bad that in 2016 the orchestra won't exist anymore. Well... not in that form... being merged with the SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg.
>:( :'(
Sarge
Post by: jlaurson on December 28, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
FYI recording for Naxos is not something artists really do for the money; also relationships aren't necessarily with orchestras. For instance, the Baltimore and Sao Paulo orchestras are on Naxos owing to the presence of Marin Alsop, rather than vice versa. The SWR orchestras have a longstanding relationship with Hanssler.
I am curious to know the answer to your question, though. The RSNO replaced Deneve with Peter Oundjian, who is comparatively young in the conducting world (just 57!) but is sixteen years older than Deneve. I haven't seen Oundjian or heard his work, but he has been quite successful in Toronto for the last eight years.
Oundjian: former first violinist of the Tokyo String Quartet until he couldn't play anymore and thought: Hey, conducting -- EVERYONE can do that. Fairly nice chap, as I remember from meeting him maybe eight or so years ago after he conducted the NSO. (This (http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2005/09/ready-set-play.html)concert.) I remember vaguely being impressed because I expected so little. But ultimately it's a tame, and not a future-bound appointment for the RSNO that will lead nowhere in particular, I'm afraid. He's like a better Tortelier.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on December 28, 2012, 04:29:52 PM
Ooooh!
(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/AMG/covers/large/242/2424757.jpg)
Nice! Will definitely be getting that one. I'm sure Greg will as well.
Possibly, I love Poulenc's Stabat Mater. But I may need to flip the booklet around. No offense, Stephane.
Post by: Brian on January 02, 2013, 01:04:33 PM
Post by: Brian on January 02, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
Possibly, I love Poulenc's Stabat Mater. But I may need to flip the booklet around. No offense, Stephane.It is a terrible, terrible cover photo. In fact...
Post by: Papy Oli on January 02, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
(I'm sorry...somebody had to do it :-[ ;D )...
Post by: kishnevi on January 02, 2013, 02:58:03 PM
there's a new Niu Niu... who knew ?
(I'm sorry...somebody had to do it :-[ ;D )...
Or, to translate you post into Yiddish:
Nu! Niu Niu! Nu?
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(Nu!)
(An explanation you want? Nu, here's an explanation: http://forward.com/articles/12736/just-say-nu-/ )
Post by: Mirror Image on January 02, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/ODE1212-2.jpg)
As evidenced on the Madetoja thread, his music has been pretty well served on disc. Volmer's recordings on Alba are probably the most recent. Definitely need to pick those up.
Post by: DavidA on January 06, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
The playing is really first-class - something I cannot say for the packaging which is absolutely terrible. It is supposed to be a limited edition Deluxe set but it looks as though it has been designed by some trendy person who does not collect CDs themselves. Instead of a box we have a 8 x 5 book in a slipcase which is extremely inconvenient as it does not fit onto a CD shelf in any way. The book is beautifully printed but has an absolutely lousy essay which gives no thoughts to the performers or the music. There are also no texts or translations for the vocal numbers which are included in the set. It is all very annoying but I would still recommend these discs wholeheartedly for the music on them. Argerich is fab!
Post by: (: premont :) on January 06, 2013, 12:48:22 PM
Source, please? :)
Sorry I haven´t noticed this post until now.
I ordered the box at JPC along with some other CDs, and finally they are on their way to me.
Post by: knight66 on January 11, 2013, 12:41:33 PM
LSO Live: Faure Requiem and Bach Partita in D minor. The conductor is Nigel Short. This is a live recording which employed the crack choir Tenebrae.
Until now my long favoured version of the Faure is the old EMI Kings/Willcocks disc. This one is a superb alternative. As suggested the pairing is not any of the usual music and the Partita is interspersed and embellished with Bach chorales. The latter are funeral choruses and it is suggested the partita is mainly based on the chorales used here. The disc starts with the Bach, marvellous and a great journey. The instant that the chaconne of the partita with intertwined chorale finishes, the organ thrusts us into the Faure, very dramatic and effective.
The Faure is 1893 chamber version, dark and somehow quite lush without being at all clogged. It is a superb performance with excellent soloists, they are not star spotlit singers, just excellent voices sitting well in the context. Although deliberately avoiding the hell, damnation and gnashing of teeth that are highlights of the Berlioz and Verdi, this is no milksop piece and the comforting tone is balanced with contained drama and muscularity with the gentle lyrical lines.
What a beautiful disc.
Mike
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 11, 2013, 03:13:54 PM
Here is a recording that I think will become an addiction for me.
LSO Live: Faure Requiem and Bach Partita in D minor. The conductor is Nigel Short. This is a live recording which employed the crack choir Tenebrae.
What a beautiful disc.
Mike
I agree - this performance is really very nice, and it is one of my favorite works. The English are superb in this repertory.
Count me as another listener high on this disc. Could easily rival any other.
Post by: OzRadio on January 11, 2013, 05:58:10 PM
Edit: The Youtube ad for the Verdi makes no mention of libretti, just "detailed synopses." Bummer, would have been a no-brainer for someone like me with very few Verdi works.
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 12, 2013, 05:39:24 AM
Two opera sets caught my eye the other day. One, the complete Wagner operas on DG. Two, the complete Verdi works by Decca scheduled for release in a couple months. Does anyone know if libretti are contained with either set? I always assume not with these box sets but since they're bigger labels maybe I shouldn't assume.I don't know the answer, but when it comes to Verdi and Wagner, most of their librettos can be found online. For example - many Wagner libretti can be found at Testament. You will find many libretti at other labels as well, though perhaps only the most well-known. This site has about 3/4 of all Verdi: http://opera.stanford.edu/Verdi/ (http://opera.stanford.edu/Verdi/). Admittedly, translations may be scarce.
Edit: The Youtube ad for the Verdi makes no mention of libretti, just "detailed synopses." Bummer, would have been a no-brainer for someone like me with very few Verdi works.
Post by: OzRadio on January 12, 2013, 06:21:39 AM
Admittedly, translations may be scarce.
Yes, I should have qualified my statement with librettos translated in English. http://www.rwagner.net/e-t-opere.html (http://www.rwagner.net/e-t-opere.html) has most of Wagner's, but not his early ones. I always prefer hard copies so as not to have to have my laptop out while listening. I've used Google translator for a few libretti in the past with less than stellar results.
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 12, 2013, 07:43:12 AM
Yes, I should have qualified my statement with librettos translated in English. http://www.rwagner.net/e-t-opere.html (http://www.rwagner.net/e-t-opere.html) has most of Wagner's, but not his early ones. I always prefer hard copies so as not to have to have my laptop out while listening. I've used Google translator for a few libretti in the past with less than stellar results.You can follow along on Wagner here with a few: http://www.testament.co.uk/default.aspx?PageID=7 (http://www.testament.co.uk/default.aspx?PageID=7). EMI, Brilliant and Decca all have some opera libretti available online. You might have to sign up to get some of them. Maybe someone know if any other labels make librettos available online in some fashion.
Post by: Brian on January 12, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
ELLINGTON • STRAYHORN: Harlem (A Tone Parallel to Harlem) • Black, Brown and Beige (arr. M. Peress) • Three Black Kings (arr. L. Henderson) • The River Suite (arr. R. Collier) (excerpts) • Take the A Train (arr. L. Henderson)
Buffalo PO / JoAnn Falletta
FIBICH: Symphony No. 1 in F major, Op. 17 • Impressions from the Countryside, Op. 54
Czech NSO / Marek Štilec
GURIDI: String Quartets (Complete)
Bertón String Quartet
HANDEL: Concerti Grossi, Op. 6, Nos. 1-12
Aradia Ensemble / Kevin Mallon
HOFFMEISTER: Flute Concertos, Vol. 1
Flute Concertos Nos. 21 & 24
Bruno Meier / Prague CO
LOPES-GRAÇA: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2
Eldar Nebolsin / Porto NO / Matthias Bamert
MENDELSSOHN:
Violin Concerto in E minor • Violin Concerto in D • Violin Sonata in F minor Op. 6
Tianwa Yang / Sinfonia Finlandia / Patrick Gallois
MOERAN: Cello Concerto • Serenade in G major • 2 Pieces
Guy Brook Johnston / Ulster Orchestra / JoAnn Falletta
PENDERECKI: Piano Concerto, "Resurrection" • Flute Concerto
Lukas Dlugosz / Barry Douglas (!) / Warsaw PO / Antoni Wit
VASKS: Flute Concerto • Two Pieces (Melody and Dance) • Sonata for Flute and Alto flute solo • Landschaft mit Voegeln
Michael Faust / Sinfonia Finlandia / Patrick Gallois
WEINBERG: Symphony No. 8, Op. 83, "Tveti Pol'shi" (The Flowers of Poland)
Rafał Bartmiński / Ewa Marciniec / Warsaw PO and Choir / Antoni Wit
YSAYE: 6 Sonatas for Violin Solo, Op. 27
Tianwa Yang
Based on the number of new releases listed in the catalogue, I would anticipate that about half of Naxos' 2013 CDs are not listed therein. For instance, there may be more volumes of their ongoing Weinberg symphonies series, and Klaus Heymann's letter of introduction implies that they are moving on from the Alsop cycle by re-recording the Brahms symphonies (?).
Post by: The new erato on January 12, 2013, 08:00:16 AM
Post by: Daverz on January 12, 2013, 06:05:48 PM
FIBICH: Symphony No. 1 in F major, Op. 17 • Impressions from the Countryside, Op. 54
Czech NSO / Marek Štilec
There seems to be a hacek tradition among Fibich conductors. I hope Naxos will also get to the symphonies of Foerster.
Noted new stuff at MDT:
(http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/5/8503259.jpg) (http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/7/7/7777212.jpg)
I will of course buy just about any new Weinberg issue, and that Ellington disc looks tasty.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 13, 2013, 02:53:20 PM
Daniel Hope does Minimalism. Release date of March in the US. Anyone have a track listing?
Post by: Brian on January 13, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M00vNQyyL._SL550_AA350_.jpg)
Daniel Hope does Minimalism. Release date of March in the US. Anyone have a track listing?
In Presto we trust for full track list and description! (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790571)
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 13, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
Dueling new releases (only months apart) of Philip Glass performed on Harp. Who has the edge? Here's Sacchi in recital....
http://www.youtube.com/v/UQ8rY0TtsYM
...but Meijer created a music video!!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/_54NQciqofU
Make it a clean fight, ladies, no hitting below the belt. ;)
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 13, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Daverz, that Gould is a boxing-up of past Naxos releases.
In Presto we trust for full track list and description! (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790571)
In Brian we trust.
Post by: Opus106 on January 14, 2013, 11:15:51 AM
11 Discs of Schoenberg, conducted by Boulez, from Sony.
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 14, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
11 Discs of Schoenberg, conducted by Boulez, from Sony.
= I + II? . . .
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 14, 2013, 11:22:52 AM
Post by: Opus106 on January 14, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
= I + II? . . .
Most likely.
Some of the smaller Boulez boxes have been unavailable for a while.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2013, 11:28:30 AM
Watch this space:
11 Discs of Schoenberg, conducted by Boulez, from Sony.
I'm getting really tired of Sony's constant take it out of the catalog then reissue it as a huge box set frame of marketing. Leave music in-print and quit blowing your money on useless reissues I say. Also the recordings, like all of the Boulez sets I've seen on Sony, aren't remastered. They simply shove them out to sell as soon as possible without any thought or care given to the composer or the artists.
Post by: Opus106 on January 14, 2013, 11:32:43 AM
I'm getting really tired of Sony's constant take it out of the catalog then reissue it as a huge box set frame of marketing. Leave music in-print and quit blowing your money on useless reissues I say.
Sony isn't the only 'guilty' party here. EMI is worse, if you ask me, to the point of seeming comical and desperate.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2013, 11:33:56 AM
Sony isn't the only 'guilty' party here. EMI is worse, if you ask me, to the point of seeming comical and desperate.
Fully agreed here.
Post by: Opus106 on January 14, 2013, 11:36:58 AM
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2013, 11:42:27 AM
Although I, for one, welcome the recent re-issue of titles from the DHM and Vivarte catalogues (Sony), albeit in cheap boxes.
I welcome releases that have been out-of-print for years or have never been issued before. For a Schoenberg fan, I can understand why this new Boulez set would be great, but for people that already own half the recordings, it's simply a quick money-making trap that many collector's are tired of.
Post by: The new erato on January 14, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
Sony isn't the only 'guilty' party here. EMI is worse, if you ask me, to the point of seeming comical and desperate.EMI is desperate. They went nearly bust, and the new owners lost a bunch of money on them, begore reselling what was viable to Universal. They even tried to renege on their pension obligations, but AFAIK lost that fight. Why shouldn't they be desperate?
Post by: Opus106 on January 14, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
EMI is desperate. They went nearly bust, and the new owners lost a bunch of money on them, begore reselling what was viable to Universal. They even tried to renege on their pension obligations, but AFAIK lost that fight. Why shouldn't they be desperate?
Okay, they can. They're just comical, then. :D Re-releasing the same recording in a different cover every 6 months doesn't seem to be helping their cause.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
Re-releasing the same recording in a different cover every 6 months doesn't seem to be helping their cause.
For a person just getting into classical music, this can be a good thing, but for a person who's already familiar with the most basic of repertoire, sorting through their catalog of recordings can be a headache.
Post by: Octave on January 14, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
That recent Duke Ellington '50s box set from Sony/Columbia also didn't correct a flagrant error in his beautiful, snuffling, snorting, stomping Shakespeare soundtrack SUCH SWEET THUNDER; a small but terrible omission of some wonderful trumpet playing that fans have been bitching about since at least 1999. It's careless and arrogant, and it's almost certainly not a serious issue of $$$$. I think these companies deserve their death.
Post by: Opus106 on January 14, 2013, 09:47:58 PM
For a person just getting into classical music, this can be a good thing...
Why is it a good thing to bring out a new series of recordings, most of which are already available, with nothing but cosmetic changes? ??? Didn't you just say a few posts earlier that you'd rather have them not spend money on re-issues?
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2013, 09:55:24 PM
I think these companies deserve their death.
I wouldn't go that far, I mean in hindsight EMI, Sony, etc. have employed many people. Seeing them go under, for me, means loss of jobs, which in this fragile economy, this would be an unfortunate event. That said, they should start being more wise and considerate with what they release. Releasing the same old thing over and over again will no doubt send them into a black hole, but need to invest in getting more interesting repertoire recorded and getting younger generation conductors on their recording roster. One plus for EMI is them getting Petrenko who's anything but a slouch. He's a good conductor who has a bright future. Also (WARNING ANOTHER RANT :)), I'm sick and tired of seeing this conductor's face or that soloist's face on the front cover of the recording. What happened to good album artwork to draw the listener into the recording? What happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Sorry Sarah Chang as much as I'd like to see you naked, you shouldn't be on the front cover. :P I mean are they selling sex or the music? Anyway, this subject has been touched on many times before on this forum.
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2013, 09:58:51 PM
Why is it a good thing to bring out a new series of recordings, most of which are already available, with nothing but cosmetic changes? ??? Didn't you just say a few posts earlier that you'd rather have them not spend money on re-issues?
Yeah, I did, but I got to thinking that some reissues are good to have, especially if the recording has been long OOP. Now releasing a recording that has already been reissued last year is moronic, that I agree with you about, but reissuing a recording that came out in the 1990 and hasn't been reissued since is a good thing I think just as long as the label keeps it in-print, which will likely not happen, especially knowing how quickly EMI or Decca cuts it from their catalog.
Post by: Fafner on January 15, 2013, 01:55:50 AM
SorrySarah ChangYuja Wang as much as I'd like to see you naked, you shouldn't be on the front cover. :P I mean are they selling sex or the music? Anyway, this subject has been touched on many times before on this forum.
Well, these are the times we live in. Classical music sells badly as it is, and lots of people will rather buy an album with a pretty young lady (or dude - my women friends were slobbering over a cover of a Jonas Kaufmann cd, and they do not really like opera at all) on the cover, instead of one with a cover picture of some unrelated countryside or other.
Post by: jlaurson on January 15, 2013, 02:50:57 AM
I wouldn't go that far, I mean in hindsight EMI, Sony, etc. have employed many people. Seeing them go under, for me, means loss of jobs, which in this fragile economy, this would be an unfortunate event. That said, they should start being more wise and considerate with what they release. Releasing the same old thing over and over again will no doubt send them into a black hole, but need to invest in getting more interesting repertoire recorded and getting younger generation conductors on their recording roster. One plus for EMI is them getting Petrenko who's anything but a slouch. He's a good conductor who has a bright future. Also (WARNING ANOTHER RANT :)), I'm sick and tired of seeing this conductor's face or that soloist's face on the front cover of the recording. What happened to good album artwork to draw the listener into the recording? What happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Sorry Sarah Chang as much as I'd like to see you naked, you shouldn't be on the front cover. :P I mean are they selling sex or the music? Anyway, this subject has been touched on many times before on this forum.
They do what they do, to make money... not to "send them[selves] into a black hole". However incompetent it looks from afar, or however we might dislike what their actions mean to us, I think it's safe to assume that they know better than you or I what will prevent bankruptcy.
And you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for. But who is willing to pay a decent ('living') wage for liner notes and translations, these days? Do you know how much that costs? Would you pay for it? You personally, I can't tell, obviously. But most people wouldn't. And so the consumer gets what he's willing to pay for. That's why you all get Sony re-re-re-re-packaged box sets, and a few people in the niche get this: http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/ (http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/). ;)
Post by: The new erato on January 15, 2013, 03:39:36 AM
And you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for.
Thumbs up for that. I think full price for audio recordings of little known repertoire (for which the notes obviously are most important, and where expected volume probably will be small) are actually rather fair, and buy them all of the time. Box sets to me mainly represents "filling out" the collection, and the combination of low price/no notes are usually fine by me, event though notes on recording sessions, previous releases and so on in many cases ought to be mandatory.
Post by: Wanderer on January 15, 2013, 04:37:49 AM
And you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for.
My sentiments exactly.
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 15, 2013, 05:12:54 AM
And you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for. But who is willing to pay a decent ('living') wage for liner notes and translations, these days? Do you know how much that costs? Would you pay for it? You personally, I can't tell, obviously. But most people wouldn't. And so the consumer gets what he's willing to pay for. That's why you all get Sony re-re-re-re-packaged box sets, and a few people in the niche get this: http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/ (http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/). ;)Frankly, this is utter nonsense. But I've had this argument on this forum before and I am not interested in re-hashing it.
What I would add is that most of the liner notes are crap, so they might as well not have them. Only a few companies produce really good ones. Opera Rara produce excellent notes. Hyperion have some good ones. And that's all I can think of. I have some Sony, Naxos, Dutton, EMI and Decca notes next to me of various discs (Tchaikovsky, Vanhal, Haydn, etc) and the information they contain is mostly rubbish. I'd estimate some 10-20% is actually of interest on each, while some have 0%.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 15, 2013, 06:19:31 AM
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My point? Not sure I have one.. :D
Sarge
Post by: The new erato on January 15, 2013, 06:34:03 AM
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 15, 2013, 06:40:28 AM
And you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for. But who is willing to pay a decent ('living') wage for liner notes and translations, these days? Do you know how much that costs? Would you pay for it? You personally, I can't tell, obviously. But most people wouldn't. And so the consumer gets what he's willing to pay for. That's why you all get Sony re-re-re-re-packaged box sets, and a few people in the niche get this: http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/ (http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/). ;)
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YOU act as if YOU know everyone here. ;D
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 15, 2013, 06:55:59 AM
The de Boeck is superbly documented, just as such unknown music needs and deserves.
And someday I'm actually going to listen to it :D
Sarge
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 15, 2013, 07:01:19 AM
Post by: springrite on January 15, 2013, 07:02:16 AM
And someday I'm actually going to listen to it :DI am already curious enough to put it into my shopping cart.
Sarge
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 15, 2013, 07:06:58 AM
Sarge, have you listened to the Currentzis discs yet? By far my top DSCH 14 and very close to tops for the Purcell.
The Shosty, yeah, and Mrs. Rock has heard the Purcell (and loved it). For me Rostropovich still rules in 14 but Currentzis is close.
Sarge
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 15, 2013, 07:07:43 AM
I am already curious enough to put it into my shopping cart.
Jens and Erato think highly of it.
Sarge
Post by: jlaurson on January 15, 2013, 08:42:14 AM
QuoteAnd you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for...
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YOU act as if YOU know everyone here. ;D
C'mon. You know better than to feel attacked, especially if you're one of the exceptions. Employ your principle of charity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity). I'm making a general point that, pace mc ukrneal, has plenty validity and enough for you to know what I mean. I'm not saying I'm not biased (I obviously am, at the receiving end of the constant cheap-skating from record companies who can't afford to pay for this or that, or don't want to, or think that cheapest-is-best), but the point remains. I'm also not against having cheapo-options. More options are beautiful... and the market works. But complaining about the state of affairs and doing nothing about it (and we both know that there's plenty overlap, here... I certainly know there is with myself)... that reminds me of my days at Tower Records (http://www.forbes.com/sites/laursonpieler/2013/01/13/the-tower-that-fell/), when people came in, sniffed haughtily, complained how there used to be so much more classical music about when they had last been in the store a year ago (my usual response: "You do see the connection...??!?" usually being ignored)... then look at a CD, snidely point out that they can have it for two dollars less across town, and left and probably drove uptown to save two dollars. (BP, Shell, and Lukoil sending their regards, along the way.)
Post by: Mirror Image on January 15, 2013, 09:03:11 AM
They do what they do, to make money... not to "send them[selves] into a black hole". However incompetent it looks from afar, or however we might dislike what their actions mean to us, I think it's safe to assume that they know better than you or I what will prevent bankruptcy.
And you ask what happened to intelligent, thoughtful liner notes? Now I'm getting angry, actually: YOU happened to them. And by you I mean almost everyone in this forum... always vying for new repackaged cheap boxes, always waiting for a release "to be boxed up for cheap", never buying a single disc at full price... or when it's not available in any other way complaining about it and bitching and moaning about having to fork over 18 quid for a properly made audio recording with liner notes and such. These things don't just materialize from thin air, they have to be paid for. But who is willing to pay a decent ('living') wage for liner notes and translations, these days? Do you know how much that costs? Would you pay for it? You personally, I can't tell, obviously. But most people wouldn't. And so the consumer gets what he's willing to pay for. That's why you all get Sony re-re-re-re-packaged box sets, and a few people in the niche get this: http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/ (http://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/). ;)
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to get a good price on a CD and not wanting to pay an arm and leg for it. I've paid for many full priced CDs, but I've also gotten many, many good deals online. I've also paid a chunk of change for OOP recordings on numerous occasions. The liner notes problem is just a general complaint of mine. Like Neal said, these aren't always well-thought anyway.
All of this said, I don't think it's right of you to assume that none of us would pay full price for a CD. I've done it many times, especially if it's a recording I really want.
Post by: TheGSMoeller on January 15, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
I wouldn't take it as a full-on attack unless you said something about my Mama. (plus, written sarcasm is an art-form I sometimes fail in)
It's like the scene from Casablanca...
"I am shocked, shocked to find there is gambling in here."
"Your winnings, sir."
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 15, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: Octave on January 19, 2013, 12:57:07 AM
I wonder if the reissue is remastered? This, surely, is where I'll have to draw the line; unless my income bracket suddenly performs CLASS-SHIFT-UP in the ultra-near future. I'm not a Wagner expert, but I've listened to a huge chunk in the past few years and this Leinsdorf knocked me out when I heard it. Super highly recommended! I listened to it almost on the heels of the famous old B. Walter torso and still it was like hearing the beast for the first time.
Are all/most of the Eloquence editions newly remastered? I'm certain I don't see notes to that effect in all my Eloquence discs.
Post by: Fafner on January 19, 2013, 02:17:31 AM
I see that in March the Eloquence label is reissuing a great Wagner WALKÜRE by Leinsdorf/LSO w/Jon Vickers, George London, Gre Brouwenstijn, Birgit Nilsson, and an anonymous but enthusiastic wind machine. This seems a little odd, because the old Decca edition seems to be both available and cheap:
I wonder if the reissue is remastered? This, surely, is where I'll have to draw the line; unless my income bracket suddenly performs CLASS-SHIFT-UP in the ultra-near future. I'm not a Wagner expert, but I've listened to a huge chunk in the past few years and this Leinsdorf knocked me out when I heard it. Super highly recommended! I listened to it almost on the heels of the famous old B. Walter torso and still it was like hearing the beast for the first time.
Are all/most of the Eloquence editions newly remastered? I'm certain I don't see notes to that effect in all my Eloquence discs.
Can't help with the remastering issue, but this is my favourite Walküre recording. Absolutely recommended. Jon Vickers's Siegmund is just godly. (well, actually demigodly ;) )
EDIT: Although the wind machine can get a bit obnoxious at times.
Post by: Octave on January 19, 2013, 04:16:28 AM
WILLIAM KAPPELL COMPLETE RECORDINGS 1944-1953 (11cd) [mar 5]
BYRON JANIS COMPLETE ALBUM COLLECTION (12cd) [feb 18]
SCHOENBERG CONDUCTS BOULEZ (11cd) [5 march] (already mentioned, but w/o a cover)
COLIN DAVIS CONDUCTS SIBELIUS (w/LSO, 7cd) [5 mar]
ITZHAK PERLMAN - CONCERTOS, SONATAS, AND MORE (9cd) [11 mar]
EMANUEL AX PLAYS HAYDN (4cd) [11 mar]
PINCHAS ZUKERMAN PLAYS BEETHOVEN (4cd) [11 mar]
EVGENY KISSIN PLAYS CHOPIN (5cd) [5 mar]
ISAAC STERN PLAYS MOZART (4cd) [5 mar]
JASCHA HEIFETZ PLAYS GREAT VIOLIN SONATAS (9cd) [5 mar]
YO-YO MA PLAYS GREAT CELLO MASTERWORKS (8cd) [4 mar]
and 10cd "EDITION" boxes for Mozart, Bach, and Telemann from Sony/DHM, though I still haven't run across any details.
Any opinions on the worthiness of these sets would be much appreciated as the contents are made known; though I shouldn't even be looking at more product with austerity measures on the horizon. Hello recession.
Post by: mc ukrneal on January 19, 2013, 10:18:20 AM
I enjoy the Haydn/Ax discs of sonatas I have. Sometimes, Ax can be a bit montone/dull for me, but I think he does a good job with the classical era, where perhaps his style is better fitted.
EMANUEL AX PLAYS HAYDN (4cd) [11 mar]
Any opinions on the worthiness of these sets would be much appreciated as the contents are made known; though I shouldn't even be looking at more product with austerity measures on the horizon. Hello recession.
Post by: kishnevi on January 19, 2013, 11:26:48 AM
I have not seen mention of these Sony collections, which I ran across while Amazontrawling. The ASINs seem to be dead-ending at Amazon US, but I suspect that is because I found these listings at Amazon Spain; I would imagine the ASINs will work once they get a USA listing?Schoenberg the time travel pioneer? ;D
SCHOENBERG CONDUCTS BOULEZ (11cd) [5 march] (already mentioned, but w/o a cover)
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My set of the concertos dates from the 1980s. A definite "get it!" set.
ISAAC STERN PLAYS MOZART (4cd) [5 mar]
I see that in March the Eloquence label is reissuing a great Wagner WALKÜRE by Leinsdorf/LSO w/Jon Vickers, George London, Gre Brouwenstijn, Birgit Nilsson, and an anonymous but enthusiastic wind machine. This seems a little odd, because the old Decca edition seems to be both available and cheap:
I wonder if the reissue is remastered? This, surely, is where I'll have to draw the line; unless my income bracket suddenly performs CLASS-SHIFT-UP in the ultra-near future. I'm not a Wagner expert, but I've listened to a huge chunk in the past few years and this Leinsdorf knocked me out when I heard it. Super highly recommended! I listened to it almost on the heels of the famous old B. Walter torso and still it was like hearing the beast for the first time.
Are all/most of the Eloquence editions newly remastered? I'm certain I don't see notes to that effect in all my Eloquence discs.
Don't know about the remastering (although I doubt any remastering was done) but I have had one experience with that older Decca series you show--the PDF included on CD1 completely bolloxed my CD player, and I could only play it on my computer, which of course being a computer was not thrown into total confusion by the presence of a PDF. This was a recording of La Traviata which I replaced in due course with a normal old fashioned issue of the same performance, but complete with liner notes and libretto in the old fashioned, stick it in the jewel case as a little booklet, format.
Post by: Octave on January 19, 2013, 10:00:47 PM
Post by: Octave on January 20, 2013, 04:23:19 AM
EDIT: Um, so they are at Amazon US, after all. Um, why do I do this?
DHM BACH EDITION [5 Feb]
DHM MOZART EDITION[5 Feb]
DHM TELEMANN EDITION[5 Feb]
Also curious about that Richard Wagner GREAT RECORDINGS 40cd from Sony. (~5 Mar), but I haven't found any contents for that one.
