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Title: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2009, 05:31:38 AM
I have heard only a little of the violin works, but I like them a lot more than the works for cello. And those suites are probably the only works in Bach's catalogue which do not get me as excited as any of his keyboard, orchestral or choral output do. They're only near the bottom of my favourite Bach works, not of all music. :)

You may also mention the recordings that you'd like to have at The Island.*  





Standard Desert IslandTM rules apply.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: springrite on August 12, 2009, 05:36:03 AM
The cello for me, by a wide margin. My favorite recording is the Fournier -- not the DG which is great but another recording I have. I also have a soft spot for the Starker.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Bulldog on August 12, 2009, 05:40:05 AM
I have to go with the Suites for Cello.  My favorite is Paolo Beschi on Winter & Winter.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Franco on August 12, 2009, 05:44:04 AM
Rachel Podger

Rostropovich.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2009, 05:54:30 AM
Rachel Podger

Rostropovich.

And your choice for The Island being... ?
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DFO on August 12, 2009, 06:11:50 AM
To me, the solo sonatas are some of the best works ever written for the violin; but I much prefer the cello suites to the violin partitas, except the chaconne.
On recordings, I take Szering and first Starker, Tortellier and Fournier.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2009, 06:22:17 AM
To me, the solo sonatas are some of the best works ever written for the violin; but I much prefer the cello suites to the violin partitas, except the chaconne.
On recordings, I take Szering and first Starker, Tortellier and Fournier.

Et tu? :(


Oh, and as per the Standard Desert Island Rules, you're allowed to take only one set of recordings. Either all works in the set by performer x; or work 1 by performer x1, work 2 by performer x 2 (x1 and x2 can be the same), and so on. :)

Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Franco on August 12, 2009, 06:23:41 AM
And your choice for The Island being... ?

I can only have one?   ???
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 12, 2009, 06:24:03 AM
The cello suites are beautiful to my ear, while those violin works sound like tedious mechanical exercises.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2009, 06:25:55 AM
I can only have one?   ???

Yes, sir. That's the whole point of the poll. 0:)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Franco on August 12, 2009, 06:31:08 AM
I refuse this poll.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 12, 2009, 06:38:09 AM
I'm pretty sure if I brought a usb stick I could easily accommodate all of these works.  Just saying. :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2009, 06:42:49 AM
I refuse this poll.

Thanks for being so polite. My Desert Island polls are usually known to result in people cursing me. ;D

I'm pretty sure if I brought a usb stick I could easily accommodate all of these works.  Just saying. :)

Yeah, why not bring your music collection on that 160 GB iPod along with a solar-powered+wind-powered iPod charger. :P
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 12, 2009, 06:44:29 AM
Yeah, why not bring your music collection on that 160 GB iPod along with a solar-powered+wind-powered iPod charger. :P

Good idea, it would easily hold the complete works of Bach! :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 12, 2009, 06:52:15 AM
Good idea, it would easily hold the complete works of Bach! :)

And more, surely (http://www.bachpod.com/index.php?L=2).
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 12, 2009, 07:02:05 AM
And more, surely (http://www.bachpod.com/index.php?L=2).

Yup we could also squeeze in the complete works of Telemann. :)  Had they been recorded. :'(
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: cliftwood on August 12, 2009, 07:07:57 AM
My desert  island pick is Gregory Fulkerson's recording of the violin suites.

Incomparable..........IMHO ;)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: ChamberNut on August 12, 2009, 08:29:35 AM
And those suites are probably the only works in Bach's catalogue which do not get me as excited as any of his keyboard, orchestral or choral output do.

Complete, complete opposites of the spectrum.  The Cello Suites, by far, are my favorite Bach works, followed by the Solo Violin Suites.  And, I get way, way more excited about these than the rest of Bach.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: ChamberNut on August 12, 2009, 08:49:15 AM
Casals for the Cello Suites (because that's the only set I have).  Just wish the sound was a lot better.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: George on August 12, 2009, 09:02:23 AM
Cello Suites for sure!

To be specific, Wispelwey's recording of the suites on Channel Classics. (the newer of his two recordings)

Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Keemun on August 12, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
Definitely the Cello Suites, and probably Fournier. 8)  The Violin Partitas give me a headache (literally). :P
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo C
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on August 12, 2009, 06:20:25 PM
I have to go with the Suites for Cello.  My favorite is Paolo Beschi on Winter & Winter.

Cello suites.

And, yes, Beschi is such an amazing advocate for these works.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Florestan on August 12, 2009, 11:05:55 PM
Cello 'n' Casals all the way!
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Franco on August 13, 2009, 04:46:55 AM
Okay, after listening to both the Cello Suites (Fournier) and the Solo Violin Sonatas & Partitas (Podger), I can now say that I would prefer the violin pieces to the cello set.

The sound of the violin, at least from Rachel Podger, is enchantingly beuatiful, and lighter, not as dark as the cello - which all adds up to my ear becoming less tired from extended listening, which, on a desert island, would be an issue.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 13, 2009, 04:57:00 AM
The sound of the violin, at least from Rachel Podger, is enchantingly beuatiful, and lighter, not as dark as the cello - which all adds up to my ear becoming less tired from extended listening, which, on a desert island, would be an issue.

I think that in general treble-y music is more exhausting to listen to.  Listening to solo violin music is easily fatiguing while the same can't be said for the cello.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 13, 2009, 05:08:09 AM
In fact I was thinking of it more, and to me I think why I dislike those famous solo violin works is that the violin by itself is simply too bright, listening to only it is simply too exhausting.  I think that's why it's usually coupled with something bassy to give a fuller range.  Violin sonata = violin & piano, string quartet = cello in the mix, piano trio= piano and cello, orchestra=well duh!

Now a piano stands on it's own easily because of it's full range, it doesn't assault the ears with the aggressive forward sound a violin makes, nor is it stuck with a dark sound like the cello.  No it offers the world in one instrument, it's the only I can think of that can really hold it's own. 8)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Franco on August 13, 2009, 05:16:07 AM
I think that in general treble-y music is more exhausting to listen to.  Listening to solo violin music is easily fatiguing while the same can't be said for the cello.

Obviously, we disagree.

 :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: George on August 13, 2009, 05:29:46 AM
In fact I was thinking of it more, and to me I think why I dislike those famous solo violin works is that the violin by itself is simply too bright, listening to only it is simply too exhausting. 

Absolutely.

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Now a piano stands on it's own easily because of it's full range, it doesn't assault the ears with the aggressive forward sound a violin makes, nor is it stuck with a dark sound like the cello.  No it offers the world in one instrument, it's the only I can think of that can really hold it's own. 8)

Piano is king!  $:)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 13, 2009, 05:31:04 AM
Okay, after listening to both the Cello Suites (Fournier) and the Solo Violin Sonatas & Partitas (Podger), I can now say that I would prefer the violin pieces to the cello set.

The sound of the violin, at least from Rachel Podger, is enchantingly beuatiful, and lighter, not as dark as the cello - which all adds up to my ear becoming less tired from extended listening, which, on a desert island, would be an issue.

Interesting exercise: to compare two HIP sets with one another, and then two non-HIP/old-school sets. :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 13, 2009, 05:35:34 AM
No it offers the world in one instrument, it's the only I can think of that can really hold it's own. 8)

The organ!

King Harry already declared it as the Master of all Instruments. 0:)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Florestan on August 13, 2009, 05:43:45 AM
Now a piano stands on it's own easily because of it's full range, it doesn't assault the ears with the aggressive forward sound a violin makes, nor is it stuck with a dark sound like the cello.  No it offers the world in one instrument, it's the only I can think of that can really hold it's own. 8)

Organ and guitar as well.  :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Franco on August 13, 2009, 05:45:35 AM
Snare drum, actually.

Don't believe me - try it yourself.


 ;)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 13, 2009, 06:43:11 AM
Right, yeah I will add the organ to the list, didn't think of that. :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: ChamberNut on August 13, 2009, 07:03:18 AM
David/Franco,

Why don't you compromise and take half of each set of suites, both played by the Viola!  :D
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: DavidW on August 13, 2009, 07:19:19 AM
David/Franco,

Why don't you compromise and take half of each set of suites, both played by the Viola!  :D

That sounds like a good compromise. :)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 13, 2009, 07:33:05 AM
That sounds like a good compromise. :)

The Desert Island Rules are, of course, uncompromising. >:D
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: ChamberNut on August 13, 2009, 08:11:22 AM
The Desert Island Rules are, of course, uncompromising. >:D

Rules are meant to be broken!  Let chaos rule!!!  >:D $:) >:D
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Wanderer on August 13, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Neither!  >:D

I'd rather be stranded in the company of the keyboard music and the cantatas.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Lethevich on August 13, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
I can't pretend to be very knowledgable with Bach, but these two works are my favourites of his. As nice as the violin pieces are, if forced to pick one, the cello suites become a natural choice due to the perfect balance of the six - each one an incredible piece of music, with diverse moods and perfect contrasts.
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: henry on August 13, 2009, 06:59:28 PM
Definitely the violin suites/sonatas!

Violin all the way!!
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Opus106 on August 14, 2009, 04:02:13 AM
Neither!  >:D

I'd rather be stranded in the company of the keyboard music and the cantatas.

Sir, we are talking about an island in the middle of no-where devoid of any sign of civilisation -- not Heaven.

;)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: Wanderer on August 19, 2009, 12:41:50 PM
Sir, we are talking about an island in the middle of no-where devoid of any sign of civilisation...

;)

Hence the options?  >:D  ;)
Title: Re: [Desert Island]Bach: Sonatas & Partitas for Solo Violin vs Suites for Solo Cello
Post by: (: premont :) on August 19, 2009, 02:40:53 PM
If I must choose a set I shall definitely opt for the Cello suites (Sigiswald Kuijkens recording on violoncello da spalla). But I rate the b-minor violin partita higher than any of the cello suites.