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Title: Most expensive disc
Post by: G. String on May 11, 2014, 01:58:13 AM
What is your most expensive disc? One in monetary value, the highest you've spent per disc, and one with intangible value, most loved, meaningful, irreplaceable for any personal reason, etc, your greatest single disc?
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: EigenUser on May 11, 2014, 03:45:24 AM
The large Stockhausen-Verlag (http://www.stockhausencds.com/) section (ca. spanning 4 feet of shelf space) of my library was pretty pricey, and it is something that I cherish and return to regularly, especially within the last 6 years or so (LOTS of repeat listening value).

And I plan on getting a Bach Complete Cantatas box soon as well, it will be pricey, but so worth it and valued.

Stockhausen is expensive! That's why we have YouTube :) (of course, not the same quality).

I don't really have any expensive disks. My most cherished musical item is the enormous conductor's score to Ligeti's "Clocks and Clouds". Not an answer to the question, I know, but that is something that is irreplaceable for me.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: ritter on May 11, 2014, 07:00:18 AM
The most expensive disc I've ever bought is this:

(http://www.music.lt/images/albums/43/42099/rss53815d19a8f88.jpg)

I missed it when it first came out (I actually recall seeing it at Chicago's Rose Records in the late 80s, and skipped it, silly me  :( ), and saw a new copy here in Madrid a year ago. Paid a little fortune for it...and it really wasn't worth it, IMHO.  ::)

CDs I cherish: the Boulez Bayreuth Ring on Philips (as a memento of performances I was lucky enough to attend as a very young man during the 1979 festival  :)), the Boulez Les Noces on Adès (scarcity value there  8)), the Böhm Marriage of Figaro on DG (nostalgia?  :-\ ), Abbado's Mahler Fourth with the WP and Frederica von Stade (probably my single favourite Mahler performance), and..and...and... ;)

And yes, the Stockhausen Verlag CDs are pricey  >:(...in my case, every order to them has to be pondered, as there have been some releases that, with the benefit of hindsight, I wouldn't have paid 23 € for.. ::)  (others, of course, are definiety worth every cent)...
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Jay F on May 11, 2014, 07:04:15 AM
I'm not sure I have any. I would if I'd kept every CD I'd ever owned, but I didn't.

I've sold copies of HvK's original CD release of Mahler's Fourth for ~$70. Its price fluctuates, so I'll occasionally buy a cheap "Like New" copy and sell it when the price goes up. It's my favorite M4, btw.

I sold Mengelberg's M4 a couple of weeks ago for $75, the one Philips released in the '80s that had the red tray. I don't think I played it more than once, so when I saw what it was going for on eBay or Amazon, I listed it. It sold in a couple of days.

Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: The new erato on May 11, 2014, 07:23:22 AM
For most of us the most expensive disc probably was the first one, the one that got us started on this pursuit. For me it was a LP with Bruckners 4th under Jochum on DG.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: ritter on May 11, 2014, 07:46:12 AM
For most of us the most expensive disc probably was the first one, the one that got us started on this pursuit....
Very true!!!!  :D :D Mine was Karajan's Rheingold on DG (LP as well)...Boy, I didn't have a clue of what I was getting in to  ::)

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Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Jay F on May 11, 2014, 08:10:29 AM
For most of us the most expensive disc probably was the first one, the one that got us started on this pursuit. For me it was a LP with Bruckners 4th under Jochum on DG.

Very true!!!!  :D :D Mine was Karajan's Rheingold on DG (LP as well...Boy, I didn't have a clue of what I was getting in to  ::)

If you want to start a thread called "My First Classical Disc," go ahead. That's not what this thread is about.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: North Star on May 11, 2014, 08:32:10 AM
This is probably the most expensive one, at 19 €
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Impossible to narrow it down to one in other categories.

If you want to start a thread called "My First Classical Disc," go ahead. That's not what this thread is about.
That one exists already, I think.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: mc ukrneal on May 11, 2014, 08:48:53 AM
This one for $21 in 2007. This was before I instituted my rule limiting disc purchases to $20 max for an individual disc.. I am not sure why I paid so much, but it is a good disc. Since then, I have reduced my per disc expense (all in) from $9.5 or so to under $7.

Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Todd on May 11, 2014, 09:01:32 AM
I spend around $25-$30/disc for various Japanese market CDs from time-to-time.  LvB cycles from Nakamichi, Sako, Nodaira, and PBS (JVC/Astree) fall in that category, as do various Japanese market discs of Eric Heidsieck playing various repertoire. 

I have a few discs that are currently irreplaceable because they are out of print, and my Moravec/Vlach Mozart PC disc is signed by Ivan Moravec, so it is irreplaceable for that reason, but I cannot say that I have any special emotional attachment to aluminum and polycarbonate discs, per se.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Sammy on May 11, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
My most expensive was a 2-cd set of Bach's WTC I performed by some obscure keyboardist from his own website - price was about $45.  Naturally, the performances were nothing memorable.  I learned from that one.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Bogey on May 11, 2014, 09:46:29 AM
This one, and mine happens to be still sealed, like the one below that went for $160:

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Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: ritter on May 11, 2014, 10:19:41 AM
...
I've sold copies of HvK's original CD release of Mahler's Fourth for ~$70. Its price fluctuates, so I'll occasionally buy a cheap "Like New" copy and sell it when the price goes up. It's my favorite M4, btw.

I sold Mengelberg's M4 a couple of weeks ago for $75, the one Philips released in the '80s that had the red tray. I don't think I played it more than once, so when I saw what it was going for on eBay or Amazon, I listed it. It sold in a couple of days.

If you want to start a thread called "My First Classical Disc," go ahead. That's not what this thread is about.

Well, this thread certainly doesn't seem to be about market-making in Mahler Fourth CDs either, so there you go...

Cheers,
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: snyprrr on May 12, 2014, 07:29:59 AM
$60 for Maderna Oboe Concertos on Philips, Used. One CD

$40 for a Box for only one 12 minute piece

Some people are changing thousands on amazon for single cds.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Mirror Image on May 12, 2014, 07:39:10 AM

Some people are changing thousands on amazon for single cds.

Yeah and only a fool would pay that much for a recording.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: snyprrr on May 12, 2014, 07:48:25 AM
Yeah and only a fool would pay that much for a recording.

Grateful Dead... Fillmore... Second Show... Duuude :laugh:
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: 71 dB on May 12, 2014, 08:33:52 AM
I paid 23 euros for this Taneyev disc some 8 years ago. Now I coud buy one for about 10 euros delivered.  :P

Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: stingo on May 13, 2014, 04:07:01 AM
Das Angenehme Pleiß-Athen (can anyone translate that?) - a compilation of works of Bach, Telemann, Scholze etc from the Bach Museum in Leipzig. I'd heard the trio in concert live (tenor, viola da gamba, harpsichord) and picked up the disc as a souvenir. I am halfway tempted to say the harpsichordist was Christine Schornsheim both in concert and on disc.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Sergeant Rock on May 13, 2014, 05:34:45 AM
Das Angenehme Pleiß-Athen (can anyone translate that?)

Pleiß-Athen is a poetic nickname for Leipzig, coined in the 17th century, I think, and meant to compare the city's cultural achievements to Athens. Die Pleiße is the name of a river. Angenehme means pleasant or agreeable. Other German cities did the same thing, combining a local river with the Greek city: Spree-Athen is Berlin. Saal-Athen is Jena.

Sarge
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Cato on May 13, 2014, 05:42:22 AM
Das Angenehme Pleiß-Athen (can anyone translate that?) - a compilation of works of Bach, Telemann, Scholze etc from the Bach Museum in Leipzig. I'd heard the trio in concert live (tenor, viola da gamba, harpsichord) and picked up the disc as a souvenir. I am halfway tempted to say the harpsichordist was Christine Schornsheim both in concert and on disc.

Many thanks to Sarge: Also, "Pleiss" is not native to German, but comes from "Sorbian" (with an "o") meaning "pond" or even "swamp."

Sorbian is a Western Slavic language.

Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: cournot on May 13, 2014, 06:36:23 AM
My most valuable discs, in the sense of commanding a high price on the open market today, are usually the rarer vinyl sets of jazz and such that I have as well as a variety of Gold Discs from DCC and other audiophile reissuers.  The limited edition set of Mosaic records I bought (Tina Brooks, Miles Davis, Mingus, Powell, etc.) are routinely traded for many hundreds of dollars.  And I have a few of the highly sought Mobile Fidelity, Mercury and Living Stereo discs that are in high demand when in good condition.  However, my most treasured discs are those that have special appeal to me because of some particular past event in my life.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Marc on May 13, 2014, 06:50:51 AM
Most expensive purchase per disc: I payed around 25 euro for a disc with organ works of Matthias Weckmann (1619-1674), played by Siegbert Rampe on the Virgin Veritas label and also for Beethoven's Trio's opus 70 (fortepiano, violin & cello) played by The Castle Trio, on the Smithsonian Institution label. Both were OOP/very difficult to get and I really really wanted them. (Oh, the greed!)

Most valuable at the moment (in money) are probably some volumes of the complete Bach organ editions by Ewald Kooiman (Coronata) and Bram Beekman (Lindenberg). I've already turned down some astronomical offers (at least 50 euro per disc). I consider them irreplaceable, and only when I'd get to beggary I might consider selling them.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: stingo on May 13, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Pleiß-Athen is a poetic nickname for Leipzig, coined in the 17th century, I think, and meant to compare the city's cultural achievements to Athens. Die Pleiße is the name of a river. Angenehme means pleasant or agreeable. Other German cities did the same thing, combining a local river with the Greek city: Spree-Athen is Berlin. Saal-Athen is Jena.

Sarge

Thanks so much! I'd tried using online resources for translation but with no result.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Cato on May 13, 2014, 07:50:21 AM
Thanks so much! I'd tried using online resources for translation but with no result.

Computers for translation have not impressed me.

Here is my contribution:



Close to $20.00 for a single CD: I see it is down to c. $18.00.

But the CD is a marvelous experience: Wyschnegradsky is one of the heirs to Scriabin's style (Protopopov would be another).
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: EigenUser on May 13, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
I'd like the 1973 Graz Musikprotokoll LP, but it is $50... I guess it is a collector's item.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221178451624?lpid=82
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Marc on May 13, 2014, 10:13:07 AM
Thanks so much! I'd tried using online resources for translation but with no result.

They probably picked the title Das Angenehme Pleiß-Athen also to refer to Bach's secular cantata with the title Vergnügte Pleißenstadt BWV 216.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergnügte_Pleißenstadt,_BWV_216
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Florestan on May 13, 2014, 10:15:42 AM
These are the most expensive CDs I I ever bought.

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Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Florestan on May 13, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
Many thanks to Sarge: Also, "Pleiss" is not native to German, but comes from "Sorbian" (with an "o") meaning "pond" or even "swamp."

Sorbian is a Western Slavic language.

Prussia and Prussians are not native Germans either. Gott erhalte Franz der Kaiser!

Just saying.  ;D

Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 13, 2014, 10:38:01 AM
These are the most expensive CDs I I ever bought.

1



2.



Good singers in that Carmen though. Good bargain.


My most expensive "disk" was the L'Oiseau Lyre box of Complete Mozart Symphonies. I got it when it had just been released, and it was $155. That's actually a few dollars more than my Haydn 'Big Box' which I got for $145. Other than those 2 boxes, I think long and hard about spending more than $20 on anything. $19.95 is OK though... :)

8)
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Gurn Blanston on May 13, 2014, 10:40:28 AM
Prussia and Prussians are not native Germans either. Gott erhalte Franz der Kaiser!

Just saying.  ;D

Just to clarify; is any ethnicity actually native German? ???

8)
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Florestan on May 13, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
Just to clarify; is any ethnicity actually native German? ???

Any contemporary ethnicity, including self-designated German, doubtful. Theoderic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoderic_the_Great) might qualify, though.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Brewski on May 13, 2014, 11:17:31 AM
The most I've ever paid for a disc is $35, a few years ago, for the recording below with Abbado and the Chamber Orchestra of Europe. Since it's out of print - and I love the program as well as the artists - I didn't mind so much.

Sciarrino: Autoritratto nella notte (1982)
Ligeti: Six Bagatelles for Wind Quintet (1953)
Schoenberg: Kammersymphonie No. 1 (1906)



--Bruce
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: EigenUser on May 13, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
The most I've ever paid for a disc is $35, a few years ago, for the recording below with Abbado and the Chamber Orchestra of Europe. Since it's out of print - and I love the program as well as the artists - I didn't mind so much.

Sciarrino: Autoritratto nella notte (1982)
Ligeti: Six Bagatelles for Wind Quintet (1953)
Schoenberg: Kammersymphonie No. 1 (1906)



--Bruce
Awww, "Six Bagatelles" is always the one that gets played. Never "Ten Pieces" :(.

I just heard the Schoenberg "Kammersymphonie No. 1" for the first time recently. Great piece!
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Brewski on May 13, 2014, 11:32:29 AM
Awww, "Six Bagatelles" is always the one that gets played. Never "Ten Pieces" :(.

Quite true! Though I did just hear the Ten Pieces a few weeks ago, in a very good performance by Ensemble MidtVest. (I thought some in the audience were going to flee during some of the high frequencies.  ;))

I just heard the Schoenberg "Kammersymphonie No. 1" for the first time recently. Great piece!

Isn't it, though! This one is excellent, but there are many other equally excellent ones more widely available. (And I can't in good conscience recommend that anyone pay the $150 that Amazon is now asking for this disc.  ???)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Cato on May 13, 2014, 11:45:59 AM
Any contemporary ethnicity, including self-designated German, doubtful. Theoderic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoderic_the_Great) might qualify, though.  ;D ;D ;D

"Theodoric" always reminds me of this:

https://screen.yahoo.com/medieval-barber-000000006.html (https://screen.yahoo.com/medieval-barber-000000006.html)
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: EigenUser on May 13, 2014, 12:08:06 PM
Quite true! Though I did just hear the Ten Pieces a few weeks ago, in a very good performance by Ensemble MidtVest. (I thought some in the audience were going to flee during some of the high frequencies.  ;))
--Bruce
Yes haha, the ninth movement "Sostenuto e Stridente". The end of the 7th one with the toneless blowing always makes me laugh.

Isn't it, though! This one is excellent, but there are many other equally excellent ones more widely available. (And I can't in good conscience recommend that anyone pay the $150 that Amazon is now asking for this disc.  ???)
--Bruce
I saw it performed in the full orchestra arrangement on the Berliner digital concert hall. Lots of good stuff there.

Seriously, though. $150 is ridiculous for a single CD. There is this Schumann box set that I'd really like to get, but it is currently over $300 on Amazon! What a shame... :(
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Ken B on May 13, 2014, 12:19:25 PM
Yes haha, the ninth movement "Sostenuto e Stridente". The end of the 7th one with the toneless blowing always makes me laugh.
I saw it performed in the full orchestra arrangement on the Berliner digital concert hall. Lots of good stuff there.

Seriously, though. $150 is ridiculous for a single CD. There is this Schumann box set that I'd really like to get, but it is currently over $300 on Amazon! What a shame... :(
Sony has a Schumann box, and the individual EMI boxes are excellent.
Title: Re: Most expensive disc
Post by: Jo498 on August 02, 2015, 06:06:14 AM
When I started buying CDs as a teenager in the late 1980s the choices at midprice or lower were often fairly limited. I usually got the more expensive stuff I wanted as birthday or Xmas present and after a few years I both learned that there were good-sounding pre-digital recordings and there were more and more option for less than full price. Among discs I paid full price for (30-35 Deutschmarks in 89-91) was the digital Karajan Brahms 1st and the clarinet quintets of Brahms and Mozart with Leister and Berlin colleagues.

The highest amounts I spent for single (multi-disc) sets were actually considered almost a bargain back then. This was probably about 150 Deutschmarks for the DG-set of Beethoven quartets with the Melos Quartet I bought in 1990 and (if I remember correctly) about 170 or 180 Marks for the remastered Solti-Ring in ca. 1997. (With inflation in mind these amounts are higher than the EUR 130 or so I paid for the huge Rubinstein box in late 2013.)

But I think I paid *never* more than "standard full price" (today about 20 EUR, or 30-40 Marks before 2002) for a single disc. Actually, I am pretty sure, I never paid more than 16-17 EUR since we have that currency and usually try to get even full price discs for less than 15 (if I want any full price item at all). To my recollection the most I paid for a single disc was EUR 16,70 for Schubert's D 887 & Beethoven's op.95 with the Hagen Quartet (used but almost like new). This one had been oop forever and Archiv-burned discs were offered around EUR 20. So I finally gave in when I could get a "real" disc around what a new full price disc would cost.
There might be a few rare discs I would pay up to EUR 20 for, but not more.