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Title: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on May 27, 2015, 04:37:46 AM


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Le pleur qui chante au language
Du poète, Reynaldo
Hahn, tendrement le dégage
Comme en l'allée un jet d'eau
1
Stéphane Mallarmé

1 I cannot find an English translation of Mallarmé's little tribute to the teenager Reynaldo, and wouldn't dare to translate it myself  ;D

It seems there is no thread dedicated to Reynaldo Hahn. By popular demand (hat tip to Mirror Image and Brian  ;)), I cross-post my recent comment in the "Purchases Today" thread:

I must start by saying that my appreciation of Hahn is tinged by several extra-musical issues. It's probably  clear by now to many that I'm a bit of a francophile. I'm also fascinated by the world of Marcel Proust (with whom Reynaldo had a close liaison), and am myself a Venezuelan living in Europe. Furthermore, my grandmother's family was acquainted with the Echenagucias (Hahn's maternal family). None of this, of course, makes Hahn's music better or worse, or more or less interesting. And yet...

The most popular segment of Hahn's oeuvre is clearly his art songs, or mélodies (a genre which IIRC you don't care much for). He excelled at this from an early age, and some of his settings (in many occasions, of major French poets) are actually quite accomplished, and certainly go beyond the "salon music" label that has often been attached to Hahn's compositions. For example, the Chansons grises (on Verlaine) and À Chloris (on Théophile de Viau) are IMHO at the same level as anything Fauré composed in this form.

Then there's the piano music, with the four suites that make up Le Rossignol éperdu enjoying a sort of renaissance as of late. A string of minatures, some of which are character pieces, others are travel-inspired, unpretentious as a whole, and quite pleasant in general (perhaps too long to listen to in one go).

The stage works are particularly "French". His opera Le Marchand de Venise is quite beautiful (but avaialable only from semi-private sources), and his operettas (Ciboulette being the most famous one) are good if you like that sort of thing (but knowledge of the French language is a requisite to appreciate them, I venture to say).

Finally, there's the orchestral and ensemble stuff, like the CD I just bought. Here Hahn's backward-looking attitude in music is very palpable. Le Bal de Béatrice d'Este is delightful, with a curious orchestration of winds, piano, two harps and percussion. It's not really neo-classical avant la lettre, it's trying to emulate the "spirit" (more than the "style") of some renaissance music ("archaïsant" is the French term that would apply, and I cannot find an exact English equivalent).  The Concerto provençal (for flute, clarinet, bassoon, horn and strings) is a delight, very atmospheric and very carefree (surprisingly so, as it was composed in 1944, when Hahn was stearing clear in the South of France from the Nazis in occupied Paris).

Well, this is turning out too long already, and I haven't answered your question: what does his music sound like? We're in a world that rejects any sort of harmonic innovation, but that is well crafted and has a definite charm, even if at times it turns (deliberately) into pastiche and, at others (seldom), can almost be kitsch   I'd say it's compeltely imbued by nostalgia, pleasant to the ear,  and deliberatly démodé by the time it was composed. But, with these features, Hahn does have a very personal style, which could not be confused with that of any other composer. The sound world of a certain period  in France that had ended long before Hahn stopped compsoing, and directed to some social circles ("le grand monde") whose influnece had also vanished by then.

If you wish to explore Hahn's orchestral/ensemble music, then the new Timpani CD is great (it's the best performance of Béatrice d'Este I've heard). Another good entry point would be the Piano concerto, where this "nostalgic" fealing is really accomplished, and which I think is a piece that deserves wider recognition:



Here it's performed by the wondeful Magda Tagliaferro (under the composer):

https://www.youtube.com/v/mEFe46xfIXg

The above, of course, is only a cursory (and very personal) appreciation of Hahn's oeuvre, and I hope other GMGers share their views on his music.

Fortunately, some record companies have recently released some CDs whose focus is on music other than Hahn's mélodies . Three highlights, IMHO:





And Actes Sud in France has published a rather thick collaborative tome on the composer, that seems to be a major addition to the bibliogarphy on the composer (I've already bought it, but haven't had the time to start reading it  :-[).



Bien cordialement,
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: pjme on May 27, 2015, 05:28:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/d2jyRovBYT4

Hahn wrote some lovely music.

I wonder how his La pastorale de Noël sounds...
(http://imslp.org/images/thumb/3/3d/Hahn_Pastorale_Noel.png/395px-Hahn_Pastorale_Noel.png)


P.

Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on May 27, 2015, 05:37:12 AM
I wonder how his La pastorale de Noël sounds...
(http://imslp.org/images/thumb/3/3d/Hahn_Pastorale_Noel.png/395px-Hahn_Pastorale_Noel.png)


P.
The Pastorale de Noël is available on this album:



Cute, unpretentious and quaint are the words that come to mind... :)
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: pjme on May 27, 2015, 05:40:32 AM
Thanks!

I might explore...

Sincerely,

Peter
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on June 29, 2015, 11:59:09 AM
Stephen Greenbank has reviewed the recent Timpani issue of Hahn orchestral pieces for www.musicweb-international.com . IMHO, a  well written and positive review, which can be found here (http://musicweb-international.com/classrev/2015/June/Hahn_divertissement_1C1231.htm)

Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Spineur on February 15, 2016, 02:17:00 PM
So I went ahead and bought this set of Reynaldo Hahn mélodies, with among others, Felicity Lott and Graham Johnson as interpreters.  In this repertoire, the marvelous Felicity Lott, is unsurpassable: she has this music in her veins.
All Hahn melodies are based on very famous poems from Victor Hugo, Paul Verlaine, Francois Coppée, Théophile Gauthier, Charles d'Orléans, Théodore de Banville, Heinrich Heine and of course, his lover Marcel Proust.  The music is designed to enhance the text meaning, very much in the same way that Schubert and Schumann provide the drama on Goethe and Schiller poems.  These mélodies are Lieders "à la française".
Everything is meaningful here.  It is not simply mellow tunes of the early 20th century.  We are not in wild rhythms and dramatic crescendos.  No just the phrasing that fits best the verses.  This is why I enjoy his songs much more than Fauré cycles which texts are "convenus" and academics, in fact pretty boring.  This is I am sure a very unpopular opinion among some GMG members.

Among the other works mentioned here, I am most interested by "Le marchand de Venise".  Hahn was 1/2 Jewish and he had to go in hiding during WW2 in the south of France.  He has a particular relationship and interest toward israelites.  So this work may reflect quite a bit from his feelings.  Furthermore Hahn was one of Massenet students, so he knew a great deals about lyric opera.  It turns out that this opera was recreated last year (2015) in Saint Etienne and I missed it.  Apparently they filmed it and there are some plans to broadcast it on Mezzo, so I may have a second chance.

Finally, I found out that there is a Reynaldo Hahn association, http://www.reynaldo-hahn.net/ (http://www.reynaldo-hahn.net/) and guess who is the the honorary president ?  "Dame Felicity Lott" of course !!!

I am heading on holidays (Portugal) for a couple of weeks.  So don't get angry if there are no answers.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Scion7 on October 02, 2017, 01:21:21 AM
Chamber Music
====================================================
 Le carnaval des vieilles poules, string qt, piano,  1891
 Serenade, string qt,  1892
 Piano Trio, f, 1896
 Romance, A, vn, pf, 1901
 Sarabande, thème variée, cl, pf, 1903
 Pavane d’Angelo, fl, cl, guitar, harp, string qt,  1905
 Variations chantantes, cello, pf, 1905
 Variations on a Theme by Mozart in Eb, fl, pf,  1905
 Romanesque in C, fl, viola, piano,  1905
 Nocturne in Eb, vn, pf, 1906
 2 Improvisations on Irish Airs, cello, piano,  1911
 2 Pieces, Danse pour une déesse-L’enchanteur, fl, pf, 1913
 Piano Quintet, 1921
 Sonata C, violin, pf, 1926
 Divertissement pour une fête de nuit, str qt, 1931
 Eglogue, wind trio, 1936
 Soliloque et forlane, va, pf, 1937
 String Qt Nr.1 in a, 1939
 Romance, fl, va, vc,  1939
 2 préludes, org
 String Qt Nr.2 in F, 1943
 Serenade, fl, ob, cl, bn,  1942
 Piano Quartet No.3, G, 1946
 Lamento et tarantelle, cl, pf

Orchestral
==================================================
 Illustration pour le jardin de Berenice, chamber orch., 1891
 Nuit d'amour bergamasque, sym. poem, 1893
 Marine, chbr orch, 1898
 Prelude, valse et rigaudon, hp, strings,  1903
 Le bal de Beatrice d’Este suite, 1905
 Wedding March, chamber orch, 1905
 Cello Conc. in a, 1905
 En sourdine, chamber orch,  1914
 Violin Conc. in D, 1927
 Piano Conc. in E, 1930
 Divertissement pour une fete de nuit, sax, piano, string qt, orchestra,  1931
 3 Cadenzas for K.299-Mozart, 1939
 Conc., 5 insts, orch, 1942
 Conc. provençal, fl, cl, bn, hn, str, 1945
 Suite honogroise, vn, pf, perc, str,  1948
 Cello Conc. ‘Révision et cadence de Ferdinand Pollain’ (Paris, 1955), unfinished

Piano
=========================
 Une abeille, 1889
 Suite concertante, 1889
 Hippomène et Atalante, 1890
 Les impressions, 1890
 Scherzo lent, 1891
 Notturno alla italiana, 1891
 Variations sur un thème de Charles Levadé, pf 4 hands, 1892
 3 préludes sur des airs populaires irlandaises, pf 4 hands, 1895
 Portraits de peintres, 1896
 Premières valses, 1897
 Le rossignol éperdu, 1902–10
 Berceuses, pf 4 hands, 1904
 Variations puériles sur une mélodie de Carl Reinecke, 1905
 Bacchante, 1905
 Les jeunes lauriers, 1915
 Pour vercer un convalescent, 1915
 Le ruban dénoué, 1915
 2 études, 1927

Opera
====================

Incidental Music
====================

Film Scores
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Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Jay F on October 02, 2017, 07:40:38 AM
Orchestral
==================================================
 Le bal de Beatrice d’Este suite, 1905

I saw this performed by Carnegie-Mellon's Wind Ensemble on Saturday. Just delightful. If you happen to be local, they're doing it again this Saturday afternoon (October 7 @ 4 PM).

This is from New York's Harmonie Ensemble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup_oKtj8X4&list=PLhg0Zg758_1zJSiPkF4Orw6B4xvgF6_V5
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: kyjo on October 02, 2017, 08:36:08 AM
I saw this performed by Carnegie-Mellon's Wind Ensemble on Saturday. Just delightful. If you happen to be local, they're doing it again this Saturday afternoon (October 7 @ 4 PM).

Oh, are you a fellow Pittsburgher? I'm a student at Carnegie Mellon!

The only work by Hahn I know is Le bal de Beatrice d'Este, which is delightful. Must investigate more of his music.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Jay F on October 02, 2017, 11:12:19 AM
Oh, are you a fellow Pittsburgher? I'm a student at Carnegie Mellon!

The only work by Hahn I know is Le bal de Beatrice d'Este, which is delightful. Must investigate more of his music.

Are you in the orchestra?
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: André on October 02, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
Civilized music at its best. Hahn's music defines good taste, wit and complicity with his listeners.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Spineur on October 02, 2017, 01:13:44 PM
Since I heard Hahn Venizia (in venizian dialect) cycle sung by Felicity Lott earlier this year, I cant get it out of my head.  Here it is sung by Anna Caterina Antonacci

https://www.youtube.com/v/KumBHuX4DLg


Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: kyjo on October 02, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
Are you in the orchestra?

Yep, I'm a cellist.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Jay F on October 02, 2017, 04:33:46 PM
Yep, I'm a cellist.

Well, then I have heard you perform. I enjoy the CMU concerts very much. My friend and I sit in the first balcony, right over the bass and cello section, so I can't say I've actually seen you.

Are you taking the Mahler class, by any chance?
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: kyjo on October 02, 2017, 06:27:31 PM
Well, then I have heard you perform. I enjoy the CMU concerts very much. My friend and I sit in the first balcony, right over the bass and cello section, so I can't say I've actually seen you.

Are you taking the Mahler class, by any chance?

Great to hear! No, I'm not taking the Mahler class, but I might in the future.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on November 15, 2017, 12:25:43 PM
Cross-posted from the WAYLTN thread:

Some Reynaldo Hahn today. Portraits de peintres, for speaker and piano, on texts by Marcel Proust.

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I knew the work in recordings sans voix, but it makes much more sense as originally conceived (as a mélodrame, that is). I am not particularly keen on how Mme. Gautier declaims the text, as she is simultaneously too vehement and does not enunciate it all that clearly, but the superimposition of spoken text on the piano line is most agreeable. Both authors (who were starting an intimate liaison at the time) were very young men in  1894, the year of the piece's composition (Proust 23 and Hahn 20 years old).

Just as Proust's text--short prose poems "portraying" Albert Cuyp, Paulus Potter, Anton Van Dyck and Antoine Watteau--does not really presage the greatness of things to come, Reynaldo's music already shows a full command of his capabilities. Actually, it's fair to say that Hahn the composer was better known than Proust the author at the time.

The first piece is the most engaging IMHO, with some very seductive modulations, and well-thought  changes in the piano line. It's also nice to hear in the last piece ("Watteau") a phrase that Reynaldo had already used in his setting of Paul Verlaine's Mandoline a year earlier (in his song Fêtes galantes); this is quite fitting, as Verlaine's poem is a Watteau-esque as it gets.   8)

Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Spineur on November 15, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
Two nice CDs of Reynaldo Hahn chamber music which I may or may not have posted in the WAYLTN thread

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51AA5n6iCFL._SX425_.jpg)



Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on June 01, 2018, 11:00:21 AM
Cross-posted from the WAYLTN thread:

...
First listen to this recent release of Reynaldo Hahn’s chamber music:
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The major pieces on this CD (the Piano Quintet in F-sharp minor from 1921, and the late Piano Quartet No. 3 in G major from 1946) were already available in other releases (on the Hyperion and Maguelone labels), but these idiomatic and very convincing renditions by pianist James Baillieu and his fellow musicians are a welcome addition to the composer’s discography. The main attraction IMO is the Quartet, where Hahn deploys his skills in his usual arch-conservstive idiom, and producies a work of poignant nostalgia. Of the four movement piece, the third (and longest), andante, seems to me some of the best music in its composer’s catalogue. and has some interesting (for Hahn, I’d even say daring) harmonies. In case anyone gets confused, as far as I understand it, there are no piano quartets Nos. 1 & 2. This Quartet No. 3  was preceded by two string quartets (in F major and in A minor), from the late 30s / early 40s, and recorded by the Quatuor Parisii (on an OPP Naïve CD).

The transcriptions of two of Hahn’s most famous mélodies for violin (À Chloris) and cello (Si mes vers avaient des ailes) and piano are much less interesting, as they emphasise the “salon” side of the music, and rob us of the possibility of appreciating Hahn’s considerable talent in setting French verse to music.

A highly recommended release for anyone interested in Hahn’s music.

The release has been favourably reviewed on musicweb-international (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/May/Hahn_chamber_CHRCD139.htm) and by The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/19/home-listening-reynaldo-hahn-james-baillieu-belcea-quartet-shostakovich-lady-macbeth-mtsensk-iplayer).
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on July 21, 2018, 12:52:57 AM
Cross-posted from the WAYLTN thread:

Some Reynaldo Hahn this morning:


Venezia is a delightful cycle of six songs (on texts in Venetian dialect), famously first performed on a gondola (how they managed to get an upright piano on to a gondola beats me), during the trip that Hahn, Proust and other members of the Parisian glitzy set undertook to the city on the lagoon in 1900–a trip that is evicated in À la recherche... . This is the recording to have, as all the other ones I know either omit the sixth song (the joyful La primavera), which requires several voices, or arrange it for a solo voice.


Portraits de peintres was Hahn and Proust’s only artistic collaboration, a set of four piano pieces written by the 20 year old Hahn to accompany Proust’s four prose poems on Cuyp, Potter, van Dyck and Watteau. Here they are beautifully performed by Ronald Brautigam sans récitation*.

* As opposed to the “Mélodrames Français” CD on the Accord label mentioned a couple of posts above. The absence of the spoken text probably makes the work more approachable to non-French speakers,
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Zeus on July 21, 2018, 09:30:03 AM
Is anyone familiar with this disc?
Hahn: Oeuvres Concertantes, Vol. 1
Maguelone Music

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51E0rRZeVGL._SS500.jpg)

I can't say I've even heard of the record label Maguelone Music.  But they seem to have a few interesting Hahn discs, all recorded around 2001 to 2002.  I have no idea about the recording quality or musicianship.

Any thoughts would be appreciated, as I'm considering buying it.

By the way, I don't have a lot of Hahn (yet), but I have and love Susan Grahams's album of Hahn's songs on Sony; and I have also the Timpani disc with Le bal de Beatrice d'Este.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on July 21, 2018, 10:43:53 AM
Is anyone familiar with this disc?
Hahn: Oeuvres Concertantes, Vol. 1
Maguelone Music
2013

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51E0rRZeVGL._SS500.jpg)

I can't say I've even heard of the record label Maguelone Music.  But they seem to have a few interesting Hahn discs, all recorded around 2001 to 2002.  I have no idea about the recording quality or musicianship.

Any thoughts would be appreciated, as I'm considering buying it.

By the way, I don't have a lot of Hahn (yet), but I have and love Susan Grahams's album of Hahn's songs on Sony; and I have also the Timpani disc with Le bal de Beatrice d'Este.
The Maguelone label seems to be a boutique operation specialising in French composers (some of them really obscure). They’ve done a series of Hahn CDs (including several premiere recordings), a couple of Jolivet releases, and—rather fittingly—some CDs of music by Brahms. In my experience, I’ve had no quibbles about  the production values and musicianship.

A couple of years ago, I caught the Hahn Piano Concerto (started) on Spanish National Radio and said to myself “What a lovely performance!”. It turned out to be this one by Angéline Pondepeyre under Fernand Quattrocchi (which had been in my collection for years). The alternatives are Magda Tagliaferro under the composer, and Stephen Coombs on Hyperion (the latter restores some measures missing from the other recordings).

The Piano Concerto is IMHO one of Hahn’s best works in any genre, where his very personal blend of nostalgia and carelessness finds a very accomplished expression. I’m less fond of the more “conventional” Violin Concerto, and should revisit the Suite hongroise soon, as I don’t have any particular recollection of the piece.

There’s a  detailed, positive review (perhaps less enthusiastic than me about the performance of the Plano Concerto)  of this CD by Ian Lace in musicweb-international (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Mar02/Hahn.htm).

Regards
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Zeus on July 21, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
Super!  Thanks!

I'm about to pull the trigger on Le rossignol éperdu (Eidi, Timpani) at the moment – I really like the sound samples I listened to.

But at the moment I am listening to Le bal de Beatrice d'Este!
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau PIANO MUSIC
Post by: snyprrr on July 23, 2018, 05:32:15 AM
Is anyone familiar with Hahn's big Piano Work... some "bird" thing...??...

Earl Wild and Billy Eidi have recordings... anyone???
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Zeus on July 23, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
I recently bought Eidi's Le rossignol éperdu (Timpani), and I think it's really great.

I can't imagine Wild's version could be better.  I'm completely satisfied.



Ok, maybe the cover could be better.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on September 30, 2019, 05:28:15 AM
Cross-posted from the "New Releases" thread:

The Palezzetto Bru Zane - Centre de Musique Romatique Française will be issuing a 4 CD set of the complete songs of Reynaldo Hahn, with baritone Tassis Christoyannis and Jeff Cohen at the piano.

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AFAIK, this is the first such traversal of Reynaldo's mélodies on record. The excellent Hyperion set (with Graham Johnson at the piano and several distiguished soloists, including Felicty Lott) did not claim to be complete
This release coincides with a "Reynaldo Hahn Festival" the Palazzetto Bru Zane is holding this season. Details can be found here (https://bru-zane.com/en/ciclo/ciclo-reynaldo-hahn/#). Interestingly, the festival will include performances of Hahn's early operas L'île du rêve (an "idylle polynésienne" based on Pierre Loti) and La Carmélite (on a libretto by Catulle Mendès--I don't expect that to be great poetry, Mendès's text for Chabrier's Gwendoline being one of the worst librettos I've ever come across  ::)). Neither of these pieces has ever been recorded AFAIK. The Bru Zane website mentions that both works will appear in their (lavishly produced) “Opéra Français” collection of CDs housed within hardback books with a wealth of essays, background information and librettos of the works presented.

Also, the Palazzetto Bru Zane  recorded in September in Avignon the comédie musicale Ô mon bel inconnu i (libretto by Sacha Guitry), with Véronique Gens among the cast. The release should be imminent.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: pjme on October 01, 2019, 08:51:43 AM
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This cheap EMI cd has an excellent recording of Le bal de Béatrice d'Este. It is a 1974 recording of the Orchestre de Paris and Jean Pierre Jacquillat conducting.
I see that, already in 2015 I, sang my praises of the violinconcerto. The slow movement ("Chant d'amour", no less ) I find meltingly beautiful.
And I think this short choral work "O fons Bandusiae" needs a good recording...

https://www.youtube.com/v/aG9UYLweop8
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: pjme on October 02, 2019, 01:07:47 AM
I rather like Mel Odom's art.
Let's call it Neo- Art Déco / neo-Art nouveau and it is  quite erotic. That suits Hahn well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Odom_(artist)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TDo48nkPhPU/Tc3XhMszPbI/AAAAAAAAHAA/jTxFOA4_b80/s400/0130.jpg)

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Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 02, 2019, 10:28:49 AM
I rather like Mel Odom's art.
Let's call it Neo- Art Déco / neo-Art nouveau and it is  quite erotic. That suits Hahn well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Odom_(artist)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TDo48nkPhPU/Tc3XhMszPbI/AAAAAAAAHAA/jTxFOA4_b80/s400/0130.jpg)

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Striking paintings. Timpani label has at least one featuring his art:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81pKDuvC6pL._SL1429_.jpg)
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on October 03, 2019, 10:37:02 AM
...
And I think this short choral work "O fons Bandusiae" needs a good recording...

https://www.youtube.com/v/aG9UYLweop8
Lovely little piece. Yes, it would be Niceto have a good recording of it...
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: ritter on November 30, 2019, 09:40:07 AM
Cross-posted from the reading thread:

More proustian stuff:



Lorenza Foschini enjoyed an international success some years ago with Proust’s Overcoat, which dealt with Jacques Guérin’s obsessive quest to save all things related to Proust (manuscripts and personal belongings) from dispersion or destruction. In this new (short—169 pages) book, she deals with Proust’s and Reynaldo Hahn’s romance and later friendship. Very well written, in short chapters that are precisely located and dated (and profusely annotated, with clear indication of the sources of each and every statement made), this is a very enjoyable read. The book (released in September 2019) was immediately translated into French, and I expect an English version will appear soon.
I just finished this short book, and it was an immensely enjoyable read. Still, I’m afraid that Signora Foschini isn’t really that familiar with Reynaldo’s music (which, granted, is not the subject matter of the book—Proust’s Recherche doesn’t get much attention either), and perhaps exaggerates Hahn’s apparent bitterness when, years after his romantic liaison with Proust had ended and had morphed into a close friendship, the latter became a lauded author, while Hahn didn’t fulfill  the promise of his enfant prodige years and failed to be regarded as a composer of the first rank. Still, the author does correctly emphasise  the nostalgic component of much of Hahn’s music. In any event, a well researched and well written book, which I highly recommend (as mentioned in my quoted post above, I’d expect an English translation to appear relatively quickly).
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: kyjo on December 02, 2019, 12:55:47 PM
My exposure to Hahn’s music is rather limited, though I very much enjoy his graciously melodic Violin Sonata (what an opening theme!) and Piano Quintet. I remember being rather disappointed by his Piano Concerto.
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Post by: ritter on December 02, 2019, 01:47:01 PM
My exposure to Hahn’s music is rather limited, though I very much enjoy his graciously melodic Violin Sonata (what an opening theme!) and Piano Quintet. I remember being rather disappointed by his Piano Concerto.
I should revisit the Violin Sonata soon. The thing is, I have this (irrational  ::)) aversion to the violin + piano combination. I can’t think of any violin sonata I really like ( Enescu's Third Sonata, « dans le caractère populaire roumain » is the one to come closest  :-[).

If you enjoy the Piano Quintet, do explore the Piano Quartet (Hahn at the top of his game IMHO), and the Second SQ in F major. A new recording of it, along with the Debussy SQ and a (curious) arrangement of the Ariettes oubliées for string quartet, performed by the hitherto unknown to me Noga Quartet will be released by Challenge Records at the end of this week.

(https://shop.new-art.nl/content/img/new_products/1571922834.jpg)
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: Symphonic Addict on December 02, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
The charming Violin Concerto is not to be missed either. The 2nd movement is sublime.
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Post by: kyjo on December 02, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
I should revisit the Violin Sonata soon. The thing is, I have this (irrational  ::)) aversion to the violin + piano combination. I can’t think of any violin sonata I really like ( Enescu's Third Sonata, « dans le caractère populaire roumain » is the one to come closest  :-[).

If you enjoy the Piano Quintet, do explore the Piano Quartet (Hahn at the top of his game IMHO), and the Second SQ in F major. A new recording of it, along with the Debussy SQ and a (curious) arrangement of the Ariettes oubliées for string quartet, performed by the hitherto unknown to me Noga Quartet will be released by Challenge Records at the end of this week.

(https://shop.new-art.nl/content/img/new_products/1571922834.jpg)

Violin+piano isn’t one of my favorite combinations either, but Hahn’s Violin Sonata is an exception and is probably among my top 10 violin sonatas. I’ve heard the Piano Quartet, and IIRC it struck me as pleasant but not particularly memorable. I’ll have to check out the string quartets next.
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Post by: pjme on December 03, 2019, 02:29:06 AM
Hahn is a master in creating little gems.

https://www.youtube.com/v/badkMGiLGdk

https://www.youtube.com/v/-8K6pRWProg

I like the tenor's name: Enguerrand de Hys (less so the rolled "r"s..)
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Post by: Papy Oli on December 03, 2019, 03:20:01 AM
Hahn is a master in creating little gems.

That's beautiful, that...and i am usually not keen on hearing classical singing in my own language.
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: pjme on December 03, 2019, 03:26:36 AM
Ah, so you are French?  ???
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Post by: Papy Oli on December 03, 2019, 03:35:25 AM
Ah, so you are French?  ???

Last time I checked, yes  :laugh:
Title: Re: Reynaldo (Hahn's) jet d'eau
Post by: kyjo on December 03, 2019, 10:22:19 AM
The charming Violin Concerto is not to be missed either. The 2nd movement is sublime.

That’s on my radar to explore, for sure!
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Post by: ritter on December 08, 2019, 01:03:29 PM
The Palezzetto Bru Zane - Centre de Musique Romatique Française will be issuing a 4 CD set of the complete songs of Reynaldo Hahn, with baritone Tassis Christoyannis and Jeff Cohen at the piano.

(https://d27t0qkxhe4r68.cloudfront.net/t_900/bruzanebz2002.jpg?1568290522)

AFAIK, this is the first such traversal of Reynaldo's mélodies on record. The excellent Hyperion set (with Graham Johnson at the piano and several distiguished soloists, including Felicty Lott) did not claim to be complete.

Presto gives October 25 as release date.
Michael Cookson has reviewed this new set for MusicWeb International  (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2019/Dec/Hahn_songs_BZ2002.htm). I agree with Mr. Cookson’s generally favourable review, but also coincide with him that having the—otherwise excellent—Tassis Christoyannis in all the songs does lead to some monotony (particularly since the composer specified different voice types for songs within sone of his collections). Additionally, it must be noted that the set is not absolutely complete, as those songs that require choral accompaniment (some of the Douze rondels and of the Études latines) are omitted. Also, the last number of Venezia, La Primavera, is deprived of the—I presume ad libitum—supporting voices (AFAIK, the only recording presenting it with additional voices is Anthony Rolfe-Johnson’s with Graham Johnson on Hyperion).

In any case, this is a valuable set, produced with great care, and with wonderful performances by both Mr. Christoyannis and pianist Jeff Cohen.
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Post by: ritter on February 19, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
Another, very positive review of the “Complete Songs” set on MusicWeb International, this time by Stephen Greenbank: http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2020/Feb/Hahn_songs_BZ2002.htm
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Post by: Mirror Image on February 19, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
G’day to you, Rafael. Out of curiosity, what is so attractive about Hahn’s music? I heard a few works (can’t remember what they are at the moment), but charming comes to mind, but that’s about it. I don’t hear a particular individualistic composer. As you may (or may not know), I’m really into harmony and composers that had a remarkable ear for fascinating chordal sequences or colors. I don’t really hear this in Hahn’s music or, at least, the works I’ve heard from him.
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Post by: ritter on February 20, 2020, 02:42:41 AM
G’day to you, Rafael. Out of curiosity, what is so attractive about Hahn’s music? I heard a few works (can’t remember what they are at the moment), but charming comes to mind, but that’s about it. I don’t hear a particular individualistic composer. As you may (or may not know), I’m really into harmony and composers that had a remarkable ear for fascinating chordal sequences or colors. I don’t really hear this in Hahn’s music or, at least, the works I’ve heard from him.
Hello John!

I tried to explain the allure that Hahn's music has for me in the OP of this thread (probably no too eloquently  :-[).

"... I haven't answered your question: what does his music sound like? We're in a world that rejects any sort of harmonic innovation, but that is well crafted and has a definite charm, even if at times it turns (deliberately) into pastiche and, at others (seldom), can almost be kitsch   I'd say it's completely imbued by nostalgia, pleasant to the ear,  and deliberately démodé by the time it was composed. But, with these features, Hahn does have a very personal style, which could not be confused with that of any other composer. The sound world of a certain period  in France that had ended long before Hahn stopped composing, and directed to some social circles ("le grand monde") whose influence had also vanished by then."

Reading this now, I think there's a couple of things to add (or to amend). Firstly, it is clear that harmonic innovation is certainly not Reynaldo's thing, but there are (in his late chamber music) some very subtle and rather accomplished harmonic twists to be found, which add interest to the music. And, as our former GMGer Spineur (whose departure is much lamented) points out in this same thread, Hahn was a master in setting (usually top-quality) French poetry to music. Some of his mélodies are IMHO among the best in the whole repertoire. Finally, there's an undeniable melodic gift.

Apart from this, as also mentioned in the OP, there's some extra-musical aspects that make Reynaldo's figure alluring to me: we both come from a similar cultural background, and are attracted to a certain milieu (the whole Proust world and French artistic circles of the early 20th century). He, of course, became an integral part of that world, while I have not  ;).

Where I disagree with you is in the lack of individuality in his music. The features I try to highlight in his style do make for a very personal voice, unmistakably his.

Having said all this, you're probably right: Hahn doesn't seem to be the type of composer you would "get into", but I think you shouldn't dismiss him completely either.
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Post by: Mirror Image on February 20, 2020, 07:52:12 AM
Hello John!

I tried to explain the allure that Hahn's music has for me in the OP of this thread (probably no too eloquently  :-[).

"... I haven't answered your question: what does his music sound like? We're in a world that rejects any sort of harmonic innovation, but that is well crafted and has a definite charm, even if at times it turns (deliberately) into pastiche and, at others (seldom), can almost be kitsch   I'd say it's completely imbued by nostalgia, pleasant to the ear,  and deliberately démodé by the time it was composed. But, with these features, Hahn does have a very personal style, which could not be confused with that of any other composer. The sound world of a certain period  in France that had ended long before Hahn stopped composing, and directed to some social circles ("le grand monde") whose influence had also vanished by then."

Reading this now, I think there's a couple of things to add (or to amend). Firstly, it is clear that harmonic innovation is certainly not Reynaldo's thing, but there are (in his late chamber music) some very subtle and rather accomplished harmonic twists to be found, which add interest to the music. And, as our former GMGer Spineur (whose departure is much lamented) points out in this same thread, Hahn was a master in setting (usually top-quality) French poetry to music. Some of his mélodies are IMHO among the best in the whole repertoire. Finally, there's an undeniable melodic gift.

Apart from this, as also mentioned in the OP, there's some extra-musical aspects that make Reynaldo's figure alluring to me: we both come from a similar cultural background, and and are attracted to a certain milieu (the whole Proust world and French artistic circles of the early 20th century). He, of course, became an integral part of that world, why I have not  ;).

Where I disagree with you is in the lack of individuality in his music. The features I try to highlight in his style do make for a very personal voice, unmistakably his.

Having said all this, you're probably right: Hahn doesn't seem to be the type of composer you would "get into", but I think you shouldn't dismiss him completely either.

Thanks for the well-considered response, Rafael. I think your last sentence pretty much sums it for me. His harmonic language just isn’t attractive to me or, rather the way he constructs his harmonies. Poulenc wasn’t harmonically adventurous either compared to his contemporaries, but it’s the way he constructed these harmonic sequences in conjunction with his incredible melodic gift that I find attractive. I now remember what I heard of Hahn's: the Violin Sonata and the song cycle, Les feuilles blessées. I believe I have heard a few of the orchestral works, too, but I can’t remember those now. It’s difficult not to dismiss a composer that doesn’t do much for me, but I suppose I’ll try again at some point.
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Post by: Christo on February 20, 2020, 12:15:48 PM
Last time I checked, yes  :laugh:

Good to know, hadn't realized it before (actually hate this misty hiding behind our masks, but OK): bien étonné de se trouver ensemble, Papy.   ;D
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Post by: Florestan on February 20, 2020, 12:53:17 PM
Hello John!

I tried to explain the allure that Hahn's music has for me in the OP of this thread (probably no too eloquently  :-[).

"... I haven't answered your question: what does his music sound like? We're in a world that rejects any sort of harmonic innovation, but that is well crafted and has a definite charm, even if at times it turns (deliberately) into pastiche and, at others (seldom), can almost be kitsch   I'd say it's completely imbued by nostalgia, pleasant to the ear,  and deliberately démodé by the time it was composed. But, with these features, Hahn does have a very personal style, which could not be confused with that of any other composer. The sound world of a certain period  in France that had ended long before Hahn stopped composing, and directed to some social circles ("le grand monde") whose influence had also vanished by then."

Reading this now, I think there's a couple of things to add (or to amend). Firstly, it is clear that harmonic innovation is certainly not Reynaldo's thing, but there are (in his late chamber music) some very subtle and rather accomplished harmonic twists to be found, which add interest to the music. And, as our former GMGer Spineur (whose departure is much lamented) points out in this same thread, Hahn was a master in setting (usually top-quality) French poetry to music. Some of his mélodies are IMHO among the best in the whole repertoire. Finally, there's an undeniable melodic gift.

Apart from this, as also mentioned in the OP, there's some extra-musical aspects that make Reynaldo's figure alluring to me: we both come from a similar cultural background, and and are attracted to a certain milieu (the whole Proust world and French artistic circles of the early 20th century). He, of course, became an integral part of that world, why I have not  ;).

Where I disagree with you is in the lack of individuality in his music. The features I try to highlight in his style do make for a very personal voice, unmistakably his.

Having said all this, you're probably right: Hahn doesn't seem to be the type of composer you would "get into", but I think you shouldn't dismiss him completely either.

Excellent post, Rafael. Needless to say, Hahn is among my favorite 20th century composers. I simply love characters like him, Wolf-Ferrari, Paul Graener or Sergei Bortkiewicz who went on writing music which could have been written 50 years before and did it not because of any reactionarism opposed in principle to modernism but because they could do no other.
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Post by: Florestan on February 20, 2020, 12:55:19 PM
Thanks for the well-considered response, Rafael. I think your last sentence pretty much sums it for me. His harmonic language just isn’t attractive to me or, rather the way he constructs his harmonies. Poulenc wasn’t harmonically adventurous either compared to his contemporaries, but it’s the way he constructed these harmonic sequences in conjunction with his incredible melodic gift that I find attractive. I now remember what I heard of Hahn's: the Violin Sonata and the song cycle, Les feuilles blessées. I believe I have heard a few of the orchestral works, too, but I can’t remember those now. It’s difficult not to dismiss a composer that doesn’t do much for me, but I suppose I’ll try again at some point.

Given that lately you've been into solo piano music, you should try Le rossignol eperdu. If it doesn't do anything for you, then kiss Hahn good bye and that's it.  :)
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Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 20, 2020, 01:58:49 PM
Ritter and others here,

Have you heard any of the recordings from this album?  It was my first (and so far only) exposure to Hahn's works.  Alas, I haven't heard any other types of music from him...am curious now!

I love Susan Graham's voice and interpretations of Hahn (and other French and non-French works/composers).   :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/811MtTRa5sL._SY355_.jpg)

Best wishes,

PD
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Post by: Florestan on February 20, 2020, 02:04:09 PM
Ritter and others here,

Have you heard any of the recordings from this album?  It was my first (and so far only) exposure to Hahn's works.  Alas, I haven't heard any other types of music from him...am curious now!

I love Susan Graham's voice and interpretations of Hahn (and other French and non-French works/composers).   :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/811MtTRa5sL._SY355_.jpg)

Best wishes,

PD

Have it, love it.

Hugs.
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Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 20, 2020, 02:08:45 PM
Have it, love it.

Hugs.
:)
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Post by: Florestan on February 20, 2020, 02:13:44 PM
:)

Try this:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iU6N28GuL.jpg)

and let us know what you think.
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Post by: Mirror Image on February 20, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Given that lately you've been into solo piano music, you should try Le rossignol eperdu. If it doesn't do anything for you, then kiss Hahn good bye and that's it.  :)

I’ll give that work a listen, Andrei. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Post by: ritter on February 21, 2020, 01:15:48 AM
Ritter and others here,

Have you heard any of the recordings from this album?  It was my first (and so far only) exposure to Hahn's works.  Alas, I haven't heard any other types of music from him...am curious now!

I love Susan Graham's voice and interpretations of Hahn (and other French and non-French works/composers).   :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/811MtTRa5sL._SY355_.jpg)

Best wishes,

PD
I agree with Florestan. This is an excellent overview of Hahn's songs, beautifully  performed by Graham and Vignoles.   :)

Best regards,
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Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 21, 2020, 03:51:48 AM
Try this:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iU6N28GuL.jpg)

and let us know what you think.
I'll see if I can round up a copy to listen to--thanks for the rec!

PD
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Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 21, 2020, 03:58:16 AM
I agree with Florestan. This is am excellent overview of Hahn's songs, beuatifully  performed by Graham and Vignoles.   :)

Best regards,

Happy to hear that the founder of this thread enjoys this album too!

A number of years ago, I heard her perform Berlioz's "Les Nuits d'Été"....wonderful!  A special evening.   :)

PD
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Post by: vers la flamme on February 26, 2020, 04:16:53 PM
I've never heard a note of Hahn's music, but hearing of Pierre Boulez's passionate dismissal of his music has piqued my curiosity. Usually, the composers he felt strongly about, good or bad, are worth a listen or two ;D

To all of the Hahn fans out there—what are two or three of his essential works? I also do not understand the thread title and would be curious if someone could explain it to me... what do water jets have to do with Reynaldo Hahn?  ::)
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Post by: Florestan on February 27, 2020, 01:15:07 AM
To all of the Hahn fans out there—what are two or three of his essential works?

I'll give you three essential recordings instead:

(https://img.discogs.com/LRNzdGB6SI6GFeAJ2fgCRkB8gyQ=/fit-in/600x597/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-12026507-1526822891-5912.jpeg.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81pKDuvC6pL._SL1429_.jpg) (https://albumart.primephonic.com/s900/5099706016823.jpg)

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I also do not understand the thread title and would be curious if someone could explain it to me... what do water jets have to do with Reynaldo Hahn?  ::)

On one occasion, the poet Paul Verlaine wept when hearing Hahn's setting of some of his poems. The poet Stephane Mallarme, a witness of that event, wrote on the spot the following stanza:

                                Le pleur qui chante au langage
                                Du poète, Reynaldo
                                Hahn, tendrement le dégage
                                Comme en l'allée un jet d'eau.
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Post by: ritter on February 27, 2020, 02:57:56 AM
I've never heard a note of Hahn's music, but hearing of Pierre Boulez's passionate dismissal of his music has piqued my curiosity. Usually, the composers he felt strongly about, good or bad, are worth a listen or two ;D

To all of the Hahn fans out there—what are two or three of his essential works? I also do not understand the thread title and would be curious if someone could explain it to me... what do water jets have to do with Reynaldo Hahn?  ::)
I'll give you three essential recordings instead:

(https://img.discogs.com/LRNzdGB6SI6GFeAJ2fgCRkB8gyQ=/fit-in/600x597/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-12026507-1526822891-5912.jpeg.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81pKDuvC6pL._SL1429_.jpg) (https://albumart.primephonic.com/s900/5099706016823.jpg)

On one occasion, the poet Paul Verlaine wept when hearing Hahn's setting of some of his poems. The poet Stephane Mallarme, a witness of that event, wrote on the spot the following stanza:

                                Le pleur qui chante au langage
                                Du poète, Reynaldo
                                Hahn, tendrement le dégage
                                Comme en l'allée un jet d'eau.

I second Florestan's recommendations (even I'm not particularly fond of Le rossignol éperdu myself). The recital by Susan Graham is an excellent survey of Reynaldo's mélodies, beautifully sung and played. The Piano Quartet is one of Hahn's best chamber compositions, and if you like it and wish to explore that facet of the composer's output further, then the Piano Quintet and the String Quartet No. 2 are also worthwhile:

 

And then there's Le bal de Béatrice d'Este (available in several recordings, including the one pictured a couple of posts above--in reply to a question by Pohjolas Daughter).

But, I insist, Florestan's recommendations are an excellent entry point to Hahn's music.

Regards,

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Post by: vers la flamme on February 27, 2020, 04:21:25 AM
Great! Thanks, Florestan, and Ritter. I am glad y'all provided recordings rather than just works so I know exactly what to look out for. That Hyperion disc with the chamber music looks really good, I'll sample that one first, and then check out some of the songs—it seems he's primarily remembered as a song-writer, no? That Susan Graham disc can be had really cheap so I think that will be one of the first to check out, too.

edit: OK, yes. I'm definitely getting this Susan Graham disc. I love what I'm hearing.
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Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on February 28, 2020, 04:23:18 AM
Great! Thanks, Florestan, and Ritter. I am glad y'all provided recordings rather than just works so I know exactly what to look out for. That Hyperion disc with the chamber music looks really good, I'll sample that one first, and then check out some of the songs—it seems he's primarily remembered as a song-writer, no? That Susan Graham disc can be had really cheap so I think that will be one of the first to check out, too.

edit: OK, yes. I'm definitely getting this Susan Graham disc. I love what I'm hearing.
Yeah!   ;D

I'll have to fish around on youtube (and via inter-library loan) to see if I can listen to some of his chamber works.

PD