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Title: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on March 20, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
I'm sure there has to be a topic about this already, but search is disabled, so whatever.

Haven't done it in a long time. Don't even remember what the last two letters were. Read each description and it was a toss between INTP and ISTP. Took the test and clearly INTP.

https://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality

I- 83%
N- 88%
T- 69%
P- 60%

-T- 69%

You can do the test on the same site and post the results if you want.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on March 20, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
There's also this:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/07/how-to-recognize-each-myers-briggs-personality-type-in-real-life/


Ti dominant, Ne secondary. Makes sense.

And reading that the INTP is simultaneously the "laziest" and the "smartest" type of them all. Bill Gates and Albert Einstein. Certain things about them being relatable.


Ever meet someone who is so much unlike you that, although you don't hate them at all, it's hard to be around them because they are so completely different?

This guy had to be the complete opposite... he asked me if I was interested in trivia, since he was playing some trivia game on his phone.

"Hell no," was what I wanted to say. Why waste your time with scattered little facts that have absolutely no substance when you can spend it analyzing how systems/things work?

And his motto was "Work hard, play hard." Every time I hear that, I puke a little on the inside. Same with the cringey phrase "work ethic." I really don't understand why work for the sake of work is valued so much.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on March 20, 2017, 09:16:59 PM
These tests aren’t conclusive and have as much weight as reading what your zodiac sign actually means. Simply a waste of time.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on March 20, 2017, 10:16:51 PM
Been looking up INTP youtubers...

Here's the best example I've seen. This is exactly how it would go if I made a youtube video about INTP.

https://www.youtube.com/v/3EmZd1AE41s

"Hello! Umm...." (i've seen a few where they don't even have any sort of intro)

"Yeah..." 5 minutes later, a confident sentence. "So, how it works is... ummm..." fidgets and plays with face. Stares off into space to collect thoughts. 5 minutes later. "And it happened like that!"


The ellipsis... not only used constantly in writing, but also in speaking.  :(

These tests aren’t conclusive and have as much weight as reading what your zodiac sign actually means. Simply a waste of time.
Source?

Not saying that one type is 100%, but one type can explain a lot.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on March 21, 2017, 05:42:22 AM
Source?

Not saying that one type is 100%, but one type can explain a lot.

The fact that you’re putting a lot of stock into this says more about you than anything else.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on March 21, 2017, 07:27:32 PM
The fact that you’re putting a lot of stock into this says more about you than anything else.
And that doesn't answer how they are "inconclusive." If they are inconclusive, it means you don't know how to answer the quizzes or that you are some rare type that is balanced in everything.

One of the things that pushed me into the career field I am into now (computer programming) is based on a personality test I took while in high school. I believe it might have resulted in INTJ instead of INTP, but a recommended career for either of those is programming. The only reason I'm not dealing with major depression is because I now have a job suited towards my personality, unlike any job in the service industry, where you have to pretend to give a shit about other people all the time, which is as tiring as manual labor all day (which I've also done).

Also... making the discovery that the personality type I'm attracted to most is ENFP.  :P ;D ENFP girls = love
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on March 21, 2017, 07:54:05 PM
And that doesn't answer how they are "inconclusive." If they are inconclusive, it means you don't know how to answer the quizzes or that you are some rare type that is balanced in everything.

One of the things that pushed me into the career field I am into now (computer programming) is based on a personality test I took while in high school. I believe it might have resulted in INTJ instead of INTP, but a recommended career for either of those is programming. The only reason I'm not dealing with major depression is because I now have a job suited towards my personality, unlike any job in the service industry, where you have to pretend to give a shit about other people all the time, which is as tiring as manual labor all day (which I've also done).

Also... making the discovery that the personality type I'm attracted to most is ENFP.  :P ;D ENFP girls = love

It doesn’t matter to me whether they’re conclusive or inconclusive, Greg. As I mentioned, these kinds of things are a complete waste of time and you’re putting too much stock into this whole thing.

By your logic, Astrology actually means something and so do fortune tellers. Give me a break... ::)
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on March 21, 2017, 08:45:01 PM
It doesn’t matter to me whether they’re conclusive or inconclusive, Greg. As I mentioned, these kinds of things are a complete waste of time and you’re putting too much stock into this whole thing.

By your logic, Astrology actually means something and so do fortune tellers. Give me a break... ::)
Astrology isn't even remotely related.

Btw, take the test. I have a feeling you're INFJ. If so, congratulations, since that's the rarest type.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: amw on March 21, 2017, 09:00:25 PM
I'm dating a psych student and yeah, this isn't really used at all in psychology anymore, has been pretty much superseded by the five factor model. (wiki overview (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits))

That said, it can be kind of fun if you accept it as being outdated science that doesn't really prove much anymore. 16personalities says I'm an INFP-T. The description is almost completely off base, though. The "how to recognise each cognitive function" page suggests I'm more of an ENFP which makes a bit more sense.

I'm also a sagittarius with pisces moon and gemini ascendant and some other thing I forgot.
>.>
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Jay F on March 21, 2017, 09:03:01 PM
Astrology isn't even remotely related.

Btw, take the test. I have a feeling you're INFJ. If so, congratulations, since that's the rarest type.
That's what I am, INFJ.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on March 21, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
Astrology isn't even remotely related.

Btw, take the test. I have a feeling you're INFJ. If so, congratulations, since that's the rarest type.

Okay, I took the quiz and yes I’m an INFJ. I didn’t bother reading what all this personality type entails, but I’m not sure how accurate it can be.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Monsieur Croche on March 22, 2017, 02:22:55 AM
These tests aren’t conclusive and have as much weight as reading what your zodiac sign actually means. Simply a waste of time.

hear Hear.  Online, they are a waste of time and a line in to your computer to gather up any information they can so the multiple advertisers on the site can better figure out what to pitch to you.  Almost all internet quizzes are loaded for bear this way.  Bah!
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: North Star on March 22, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
hear Hear.  Online, they are a waste of time and a line in to your computer to gather up any information they can so the multiple advertisers on the site can better figure out what to pitch to you.  Almost all internet quizzes are loaded for bear this way.  Bah!
Yeah - it's basically all bs, but at least you might get slightly less annoying ads.  :P
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on March 22, 2017, 07:56:04 PM
I'm dating a psych student and yeah, this isn't really used at all in psychology anymore, has been pretty much superseded by the five factor model. (wiki overview (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits))

That said, it can be kind of fun if you accept it as being outdated science that doesn't really prove much anymore. 16personalities says I'm an INFP-T. The description is almost completely off base, though. The "how to recognise each cognitive function" page suggests I'm more of an ENFP which makes a bit more sense.

I'm also a sagittarius with pisces moon and gemini ascendant and some other thing I forgot.
>.>
Cool, I've heard of the Big Five and may have even done some tests with it and just don't remember. I'm sure there are definitely some better systems out there.




Okay, I took the quiz and yes I’m an INFJ. I didn’t bother reading what all this personality type entails, but I’m not sure how accurate it can be.
I'm not sure I understand the type too well myself. I just went through each letter and based on what I know about you through our interactions, I chose accordingly.

Told my friend today he is blatantly ESTP- not sure if he'll take the test, but pretty confident.  :P Some people I really can't figure out, though- they are a bit too balanced.

And just for fun, I also discovered a page that lists MBTI's for anime characters. I predicted my favorite character would be ENFP. I was correct, and that wasn't even the only character I like with that type. Which is IMO the most fun and lovable type.  :-*

I think the tests are unnecessary for the most part tbh. It's just a matter of addition. Which is why I find it interesting- it's being more descriptive in a short amount of time. It would be a better way to start, for example, creating the base of a character's personality. ESTJ, or whatever, is much more descriptive than just "likes routine."

instrumentation + harmony + rhythm + etc. = musical genre

Just replace with letters and then equal to type.

(being characteristically INTP here, spontaneously being absorbed in this subject and breaking down the mechanics of how it works until something else catches my attention)  :P
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on August 22, 2020, 04:31:13 PM
So three years have passed and I just retook the test and got INTJ-A.

This is the same type Ben Shapiro got, and... watching that like two minutes of his video is what made me want to retake it. The answers I chose where different from his at first, so kinda surprising I ended up with the same type. Also because he talks about 1000 times faster than I do. (on the type system with 512 types he does have a different type, although he scored as introvert he is quite less so).

Before, I was INTP-T. But I think the entire change was because when I got into the test, it was a time where I wasn't sure of what to do after work, but now I'm sticking to the same goals. Doing so I think increases conscientiousness and lowers neuroticism, which is what that changes.

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Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 14, 2020, 07:04:05 PM
Anyone wanna have so fun?
Single Enneagram tests in your area want to are looking for a good time.

So it's been a few years since taking the Enneagram and I got the same results as I did before:

Enneagram Five with a Four-Wing: "The Iconoclast"

My full results:

Quote
63% Match

Type 1 can be thought of as The Perfectionist. Ones place a lot of emphasis on following the rules and doing things correctly.

46% Match

Type 2 can be described as The Giver. Twos want to be liked and find ways that they can be helpful to others so that they can be loved and belong.
Three

69% Match

Type 3 is also known as The Achiever. Threes want to be successful and admired by other people, and are very conscious of their public image.
Four

90% Match

Type 4 is known as The Individualist. Fours want to be unique and to live life authentically, and are highly attuned to their emotional experience.
Five

98% Match

Type 5 is described as The Investigator. Fives seek understanding and knowledge, and are more comfortable with data than people.

70% Match

Type 6 is also known as The Skeptic. Sixes are preoccupied with security, seek safety, and like to be prepared for problems.
Seven

68% Match

Type 7 is described as The Enthusiast. Sevens want to have as much fun and adventure as possible and are easily bored.
Eight

80% Match

Type 8 is also known as The Challenger. Eights see themselves as strong and powerful and seek to stand up for what they believe in.
Nine

50% Match

Type 9 is also called The Peacemaker. Nines like to keep a low profile and let the people around them set the agenda.



Quote
Type Five in Brief

Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. They are able to concentrate and focus on developing complex ideas and skills. Independent, innovative, and inventive, they can also become preoccupied with their thoughts and imaginary constructs. They become detached, yet high-strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, and isolation. At their Best: visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, and able to see the world in an entirely new way.

    Basic Fear: Being useless, helpless, or incapable

    Basic Desire: To be capable and competent

    Enneagram Five with a Four-Wing: "The Iconoclast"

    Enneagram Five with a Six-Wing: "The Problem Solver"

Key Motivations: Want to possess knowledge, to understand the environment, to have everything figured out as a way of defending the self from threats from the environment.

link:
https://www.truity.com/test/enneagram-personality-test
Title: Re: Myers Briggs/Typing Quizzes
Post by: greg on September 15, 2020, 07:00:03 AM
https://www.crystalknows.com/enneagram/type-5-wing-4

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In summary, Enneagram 5w4 personalities tend to...
Be guarded or withdrawn from others
Seek new skills and knowledge
Curiously explore new environments
Prefer being by themselves
Fear being helpless or incapable

Quote
Common jobs for people with Enneagram 5w4 personality types
Engineer
Novelist
Composer
Accountant
Author
Inventor
Scholar
Auditor
I don't think Accountant or Auditor is accurate, why are they even there?
But the rest are hilariously accurate. Tech and creative stuff both...


Quote
Enneagram 5w4s tend to be motivated and energized by...
Learning a valuable new skill
Developing their understanding of the world
Time to reflect and think on their own
Feeling appreciated and admired

Quote
Enneagram 5w4s tend to be stressed and drained by...
Spending too much time around others
Feeling overwhelmed and incompetent
Being unable to adequately express themselves
Criticism from those around them
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 15, 2020, 06:32:19 PM
So which anime character am I?

Here ya go:

https://www.personality-database.com/profile/2860/lain-iwakura-serial-experiments-lain-mbti-personality-type


Not only are people voting her as the same type as me using three different systems (MBTI and enneagram here, neurotyping on the subreddit), but just if I had to purely guess, she is the one I'd choose:
Lain Iwakura from Serial Experiments Lain

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/40/5e/16/405e16ab61505533aa734d39bc6742df.jpg)

It's cool when your purely subjective guess and popular opinion align, which IMO demonstrates the strength of the typing systems.

(someone even mentioned type 8 as the "tritype" and that is mine as well... totally the anime girl version of me)  :D :P
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Florestan on September 18, 2020, 02:36:42 AM
https://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality

I've got INFP-A.

https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality (https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality)
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 05:39:59 AM
I've got INFP-A.

https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality (https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality)
Cool.

I think most people, including me, who get into these typology systems really start to dislike some of the description, especially INFP and INFJ.

Like wtf is that frolicking in the forest part for INFP? lol

There's many subtypes within one type (if you refer to other typing systems), so that's probably the issue. Like INFP is probably the most common type for goths and metalheads, yet they show this fairy image stuff lol.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 06:01:15 AM
Also, a couple more thoughts.

1) Conscientiousness (corresponding to J and P in Myers Briggs) is something that I'm starting to have doubts is actually a personality trait, even though it's also a part of something like the Big Five (the typing system which the scientific community seems to favor the most). To me it seems like something that is conditional based on what one cares about, or what one is doing (not going to go deeper with that thought at the moment).

2) The distinction between Thinking and Feeling being opposites in the Myers Briggs is something that I'm not sure I agree with, either. I guess you could say "where does the balance fall," but that doesn't give you a clue about if you are good or bad at both. The enneagram, which I get as 5w4 indicates exactly that, type 5 is the most cerebral type and type 4 is the most feeling/Romanticism type. So it's like being a lot of both at the same time, while just getting T or F on a Myers Briggs test doesn't really indicate any of that.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Florestan on September 18, 2020, 07:18:27 AM
Cool.

I think most people, including me, who get into these typology systems really start to dislike some of the description, especially INFP and INFJ.

Like wtf is that frolicking in the forest part for INFP? lol

There's many subtypes within one type (if you refer to other typing systems), so that's probably the issue. Like INFP is probably the most common type for goths and metalheads, yet they show this fairy image stuff lol.

Oh, I took it just for the fun of it, nothing serious at all. I don't believe even for a second that the infinite diversity of human nature can be pidgeonholed in a few compartmentalized boxes., be they 9, 12 or 16. I'm sure that if I take the test again in a different mood I'll get a different result.



Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 07:51:38 AM
Oh, I took it just for the fun of it, nothing serious at all. I don't believe even for a second that the infinite diversity of human nature can be pidgeonholed in a few compartmentalized boxes., be they 9, 12 or 16. I'm sure that if I take the test again in a different mood I'll get a different result.
Maybe, some people do get different results sometimes.

Mine switched from a P to a J, after all. But I would say that for me "I" and "N" will always remain the result on tests, while "T/F" and "P/J" can switch from day to day. Some people use X's in that case, like it'd be "INxx."

I think the best way of looking at it, instead of boxing people up, is just "what is someone's comfort zone most often." A much healthier perspective that also keeps it fun.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Florestan on September 18, 2020, 07:58:49 AM
Mine switched from a P to a J, after all. But I would say that for me "I" and "N" will always remain the result on tests, while "T/F" and "P/J" can switch from day to day. Some people use X's in that case, like it'd be "INxx."

I is a constant for me too, although I'm much less intraverted today than I was 30 or 20 years ago (I'm 47).

INxx with both x subject to change dependent on the context looks just about right to me.

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I think the best way of looking at it, instead of boxing people up, is just "what is someone's comfort zone most often." A much healthier perspective that also keeps it fun.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 18, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
Mediator
INFP-T
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
Mediator
INFP-T
Either a lot of us who post online are (especially in a music forum, that'd make sense for sure), or something with the test is making people pick INF a lot...
in the general population they seem to be less common...

Though if I had to take a wild guess, Ne/Fi for you, so that result would be accurate...
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
Ok, so I gotta ask, Karl, would you say you resonate with the phrase "taking one day at a time?" How do you feel about it, does it rub you the wrong way or is it fine?

I'll explain why I'm asking, just curious...
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
I don't believe even for a second that the infinite diversity of human nature can be pidgeonholed in a few compartmentalized boxes., be they 9, 12 or 16.
It does get more interesting with a 512 type system, though.

I haven't had any males that ended up being typed the same as me (only 2 females so far), but a few guys have been typed extremely close.

The guy who is most like me that has been typed is David Blaine. The only difference in that system is that he is kinesthetic first/audio second, while I'm audio first/kinesthetic second.

I watched some more of his interviews recently and he I still say that the way he talks, and the general vibe he gives off is basically the same as me.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 18, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
Ok, so I gotta ask, Karl, would you say you resonate with the phrase "taking one day at a time?" How do you feel about it, does it rub you the wrong way or is it fine?

I'll explain why I'm asking, just curious...

As I continue recovery from my stroke, taking it one day at a time is my experience, and I embrace it.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: MN Dave on September 18, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
Defender ISFJ-T
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
As I continue recovery from my stroke, taking it one day at a time is my experience, and I embrace it.
Oh, definitely. That's the way to go after something like that.

Would be more helpful if I knew if this was a lifelong attitude mainly... just was trying to make a distinction between Ne-style thinking and Ni-style thinking.

Supposedly, I am Ni rather than Ne... which I agree with more now after some time (years ago I thought it was Ne).

Ne is gathering patterns and Ni is tunnel vision honing focusing on a pattern (after gathering, of course). But Ne mostly gathers and doesn't tunnel vision that much.

It feels like I could do both, but I do lean toward wanting to focus on one thing. Which is why that phrase rubs me the wrong way, despite it being true ("that's all you can do, etc."). I've had to divide my life into a series of projects, like chapters, where I'm only focused on one thing at a time. It's very hard to just do a little bit of one thing, a little bit of another thing, all in the same day. I can't be working on multiple goals at the same time, basically. So it doesn't feel like my life is one day at a time, but a sequence of projects with a beginning and end. Always staring at the goalpost... "are we there yet?" etc.

If you want an example of highly Ne posts here with no balance at all, yeah... snyprrr LOL...




Defender ISFJ-T
Congrats for being the rare person who gets Sensor as a result!  ;D  (even though it's more common in the general population)
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: MN Dave on September 18, 2020, 04:13:08 PM
Congrats for being the rare person who gets Sensor as a result!  ;D  (even though it's more common in the general population)

I’m Luke Cage!  8)
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on September 18, 2020, 04:16:43 PM
I’m Luke Cage!  8)
Superhero Dave Cage!  0:)
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: MN Dave on September 18, 2020, 04:17:38 PM
Mind 83%
Energy 54%
Nature 51%
Tactics 51%
Identity 60%
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on October 01, 2020, 07:47:21 AM
Here's another cool little quiz, if anyone finds this fun.

It's a combination of Big 5/MBTI/a word cloud
this is a link for my results, just to get a visual about it:

https://www.traitlab.com/results/cool-whale-281

(i don't agree with my agreeableness score, though, it's not that low, it should be about 30% or so like in other quizzes)

Here's the word cloud, it's kinda cool.



(though how do you have domineering and uncompetitive in the same cloud?  ;D )
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on October 07, 2020, 04:10:09 PM
Although only seven and ten votes, I absolutely agree with the enneagram assessment of Mahler and Schoenberg, they are the poster children of those types IMO:

Mahler: 4w5
https://www.personality-database.com/profile/23933/gustav-mahler-classical-music-mbti-personality-type

Schoenberg: 5w4
https://www.personality-database.com/profile/29951/arnold-schoenberg-classical-music-mbti-personality-type


I've been reading a bit about the Enneagram fears and sins, growth and stress. I can't speak about the system as a whole how legit it is or not, but there is one observation I've made.

(https://www.personalityclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/enneagram-chart.jpg)

I'm 5w4... and probably would have developed serialism if Schoenberg hadn't.  ;D

Type 5's stress leads to Type 7 behavior... Type 7 is the adventurous, scattered type. My goto has been distractions, for sure. Basically escapism, through gaming or focusing on something else. So, legit, maybe? Would be hard to know unless asking other 5's probably.

Type 5's growth leads to Type 8 behavior (Type 8- "The Leader")... not sure about this personally, though I could imagine that a Type 5, who acquires niche knowledge would become an authority, like a professor, to become a Type 8. This could totally do it for Schoenberg- "here is this wacky system I made, I'll be the authority that teaches you guys all this stuff!"
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on October 19, 2020, 07:20:19 AM
The four temperaments

Ok, a bit of a surprise when taking these tests.... based on the description of the four temperaments I thought I would score "Melancholic" out of the ballpark, based on the description of each, but instead I did that for "Choleric."  ???

Anyone wanna give one a try and let me know if they think the test is BS or not?

This one is only 8 questions:
https://psychologia.co/four-temperaments-test/

I got:

SANGUINE            2
PHLEGMATIC         3
CHOLERIC           11
MELANCHOLIC    0






And on a longer quiz:
https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/O4TS/results.php?dat=MTcgMTEgMTMgMTI-
Choleric    
 17
Melancholic    
 13
Sanguine    
 12
Phlegmatic    
 11








Here is also a really fun find, it's "15 blends of two different temperaments"

https://fourtemperaments.com/15-temperament-blends/#1456996294638-d674bdfe-7d51

Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on October 19, 2020, 07:47:56 AM
Temperaments Blend Quiz
https://temperaments.fighunter.com/?page=test


Your temperaments blend may be...
Choleric
Melancholic


Ok, guess that's settled then...
(it has Choleric as a big box and Melancholic as a smaller box)




http://interpersonal-compatibility.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-temperament-blends-what-is-your-blend.html
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4. Strategist Pattern
    Choleric-Melancholy
    "D-C"

 The Strategist is more detail oriented than the other Cholerics. They initiate change. They usually operate from a well-thought through plan. They have creative ideas. They will often use very direct, forceful and persistent methods to get results or promote their ideas. They want to be in charge because of confidence in their ability to make things happen the "right" way. They like to solve problems and make decisions¾and are actually quite able to do so. They usually have well thought-out goals and are very independent in an attempt to carry them out. They need to know exactly what is expected before they can function efficiently. They can be very forceful and very sensitive. They speak with authority and are usually very productive. When working on a project they exhibit sensitivity and strategy that reveals penetrating insight. To be highly motivated they need freedom, the opportunity for advancement, information that will help them get results and the chance to make something better. They dislike weakness.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on October 24, 2020, 06:26:12 PM
Finding a lot of charts while listening to this boring stupid stuff for work, and I found one that is incredibly simple, yet explains the slightly surprising results of my previous post:

(https://lessonsfromhome.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/personalitygrid.jpg)


For one, I am task oriented instead of people oriented, 100%, that is a fixed thing.

But my energy levels do seem to fluctuate wildly from day to day. So I think the results of Choleric-Melancholic is simply describing the fluctuation of that one aspect, energy.


Why this was slightly confusing, to get Choleric as results, is that the descriptor is like some extroverted CEO or meathead, Type A- but to simply view that temperament as being task-oriented but being in a state of high energy, makes complete sense, and it actually clicks when described that way.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on October 24, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Another interesting one.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/psychology/images/0/08/Five_temperaments.png/revision/latest?cb=20070309003624)


Middle: Supine
Top left: Phlegmatic
Top right: Sanguine
Bottom left: Melancholic
Bottom right: Choleric

... and in the middle it is just the blend of the two combined (so bottom-middle is Melancholic and Choleric combined)- and that's the metalhead face!  ;D :D
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on November 17, 2020, 12:32:43 PM
8 question test for enneagram tritype.

http://enneagramuserguide.com/enneagram-tests/tritype-wing

The idea is to separate the Head, Heart, and Gut and find one out of the three types for each. Then order it based on priority.


(https://kajabi-storefronts-production.global.ssl.fastly.net/kajabi-storefronts-production/blogs/4057/images/DqcErDu5TzGApbDFJ8ez_Triads_Image-1_V1.jpg)

My tritype, after taking the quiz and reading some descriptions, seems to be 5 4 1.

Pretty cool to know this, was wondering which it would be, 8, 9, or 1? But feeling very confident now about it being 1.

It can be a bit tricky to get a description, but if anyone took this quiz I could do some research for ya.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on November 17, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
You know, I kinda think it's better to ignore the silly rules and just read about all the types and then put them in order from most comfortable to least comfortable.

For me:
5 4 1 7 8 6 9 3 2


For type 2 those people would be butlers, waiters or nurses, the most undesirable jobs IMO.

The attention to detail, receptivity to customers and gentleness needed would be undoable for me.

Here's what being a professional waiter at a fancy Japanese restaurant looks like. Watching it makes me want to go to the kitchen and smash dishes, it's almost painful to imagine having to do this stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqVHHTQco_A&t=739s

Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on November 19, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
I kinda have a suspicion that you could make some sort of visual model out of this:

5 4 1 7 8 6 9 3 2
Like, say, the first two numbers are auto-pilot, unconscious behavior, your comfort zone.

Then the next 5 are things that are doable, personas you can adopt, or masks you can wear in order to succeed at some goal. It's the conscious mind. It takes some energy away, but its doable.

And the last two are like the Jungian shadow, encompassing behaviors which are very hard to even imitate, and basically impossible to actually be.

I can see type 3 as well being impossible for me, it is the archetype of the image-conscious corporate businessman, something I can't even pretend to be. Though it is not quite as bad as type 2. These types relate alot to the extroverted decider functions, Fe and Te, a lot, IMO, and even in MBTI they call that your shadow if they are your shadow functions.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on November 27, 2020, 06:23:41 PM
No one wants to take the enneagram quiz, I see  :'(

Btw, I have discovered the best one thanks to someone sharing it today. Would recommend this one above the others.

(attached image)

https://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test-2


Pretty fascinating how consistent my results are, despite taking many different versions of the test.

(Btw, maybe I have misunderstood what type 3 is, who knows).


Got mom and brother to take it, mom is type 3 by far with nothing else even close, brother is by far type 9 but also somewhat of type 6...
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on November 29, 2020, 12:27:54 PM
Best description of Enneagram Type 4 summarized found in a youtube comment:

Quote
I sometimes envy how everyone seems to have a place or purpose in the world. No matter how hard I try, I never feel like I fit in or "get it". It's like the world had a meeting about how to belong and I missed it....probably because I was in bed and didn't care to go....but still, I missed it! Lol, smh.

This is why people type Mahler as Type 4, 100% him lol.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on November 29, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
Kinda feeling like the idea of "unhealthy Type 5" is the best description I've heard yet of what was going on in the past for me, during the worst years. Something I could describe but hardly anyone would understand.

Type 5 basically needs to master skills, that is their fundamental drive. It may be knowledge, the environment, crafts, anything.

If this need isn't being met, Type 5 will behave like an "unhealthy Type 7 (The Enthusiast)," by being extremely scattered and looking everywhere for mental stimulation to keep from being bored.

Working in a dead-end retail job was the worst, there was nothing to learn at all, just doing the same stuff all the time like a robot. It was like wasting my life away. So while at home, my routine was endlessly websurfing, trying to find some interesting spark to prevent feeling like a literal nihilistic zombie.

Would have been nice if enneagram was common knowledge and I could just tell people that I'm a 5 having an existential meltdown for years because I have nothing interesting enough to get good at, and then would be understood. But that never happened.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 03, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
(http://www.9types.com/rheti/stats.gif)

http://www.9types.com/rheti/stats.html

Enneagram types by gender

Type 5 (the STEM) type... yeah, these stats basically demonstrate the gender difference in STEM. Way more women taking this test, yet still, it's the only type where there are more men still. LOL.

Type 2 is like the nurse type... so yeah, you can get the picture here.

If someone wanted to believe gender roles are linked to biology, then they'd have to convince people that the enneagram and other such typology tests are entirely linked to cultural beliefs instead of one's natural personality.
I can say that moving from a Type 2 customer service job to a Type 5 STEM job preventing me from jumping off a cliff, and had nothing to do with asserting my gender role or whatever, some things just come natural to people and some things don't...

edit:
ended up taking the test on that site as well


Type 1   5
Type 2   1
Type 3   6
Type 4   6
Type 5   7
Type 6   2
Type 7   3
Type 8   3
Type 9       3

Same results as other quizzes, this means 5w4, 541 tritype as well...
only difference compared to other quizzes is scoring unusually high on Type 3 for this quiz.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs/Enneagram
Post by: greg on December 04, 2020, 11:43:20 AM
Well, guess this thread is more of a documentation of my discoveries with the enneagram at the moment, anyone can comment still if they like.

This can be used in place of taking a test. Read these, and decide what hits hard?

Quote
Type 1. There is a right way; let me show you how.
Type 2. If those I love are happy then so am I.
Type 3. My worth depends on what I do.
Type 4. Feelings and being authentic are most important.
Type 5. I can only rely on myself.
Type 6. Feeling connected allows me to feel more safe.
Type 7. Life is a banquet; explore it.
Type 8. You have to be strong to survive.
Type 9. Every point of view has value.

Yeah, Type 5 hits hard for me, secondarily 4, so this is most likely pretty accurate for the other types as well.
And 9, 6 and 2 don't hit at all for me, and this is what's cool about the enneagram... in other typing systems, my brother types similarly to me, but in this is he is practically the opposite. So there's so much to learn when learning new typology systems.

Also supporting I have a bit of a Type 1 in me, was how I think people are dumb for not putting up their shopping carts. Seriously, it just takes a few seconds to put it up, you are creating more work for the worker getting the carts, wth is wrong with people?

I feel like Japan might be a Type 1 society predominantly. Like a 145, which is my triad but backwards (541). It's a very perfectionistic country.
(another example- in online video games, there were examples where Japanese people will form an orderly line while westerners just form a crowd for the same thing, it's hilarious actually).

I know you could argue they aren't 4 because of being known as a collectivist society, and they nail/hammer saying that they have, but to me it's just all talk. If they were truly anti-individualist, they wouldn't have an explosion of creative force that's probably stronger than any other country apart from the US. I think what you are seeing is just Type 1 tendencies being anti-individualist, clashing with itself to create the impression of a contradiction, though it isn't, it's really just a complex thing to understand.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Handelian on December 04, 2020, 11:34:53 PM
These tests aren’t conclusive and have as much weight as reading what your zodiac sign actually means. Simply a waste of time.

You are completely wrong. The main thing is to get the tests done properly. If they are done properly they are remarkable in the assessment of personality. One problem is that people try and get them done on the cheap off the Internet or something. You need the proper assessment papers and they do cost
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: steve ridgway on December 05, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
I don’t like doing all these tests, they just confuse and distract me. But this one jumps out of your list -

Type 5. I can only rely on myself.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 05, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
You are completely wrong. The main thing is to get the tests done properly. If they are done properly they are remarkable in the assessment of personality. One problem is that people try and get them done on the cheap off the Internet or something. You need the proper assessment papers and they do cost
Maybe John has changed his opinion slightly over the last 3 years?

But yeah, getting assessment by people that either made the typing system or is heavily involved in it helps more. The one assessment I got before was from the creators of the Objective Personality system, which takes the Myers Briggs ideas and expands them a lot. My guess was super close, highly statistically unlikely since their system has 512 types. So I'd add that some people (not most people) might know themselves well enough to give a good guess, as well.


I don’t like doing all these tests, they just confuse and distract me. But this one jumps out of your list -

Type 5. I can only rely on myself.
Cool!
Yeah, I catch myself doing that all the time...
examples: teaching myself how to do apartment repairs even though I could just call maintenance and get stuff fixed, in online games I will always do stuff by myself if possible rather than join up with others, my album that I'm working on I'm teaching myself how to mix/master rather than send it to professionals (yeah i know, a HIGHLY discouraged thing to do but I want 100% control of everything).

The knowledge that could be used later and knowing that I did something entirely myself without relying on others feels very good.
It is also the feeling of not wanting to owe or be owed anything... that's why they call type 5 the most detached type.

If you get any more interest, you can try to figure out what your wing and triad is. That can be fun but at the same time more difficult and requires a lot of insight and self-observation.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: steve ridgway on December 06, 2020, 05:37:50 AM
teaching myself how to mix/master rather than send it to professionals

Great idea, you should be able to manage this now it’s all done with software although you might need a range of speakers and headphones to check it with. Comparative listening against commercial releases may help.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 06, 2020, 11:27:10 AM
Great idea, you should be able to manage this now it’s all done with software although you might need a range of speakers and headphones to check it with. Comparative listening against commercial releases may help.
Right, not to mention acoustic room treatment and good studio monitors.

Actually built some of the panels, never did anything like that before with woodworking but was better than waiting for shipments of what I needed, and also wanted to learn how to do that myself anyways (so yeah, another example of that lol...).

The comparative listening seems to be mostly a mastering phase thing, I've looked into it and it is a weird thing, compared to the mixing process it is barely any work at all, but at the same time, the skill level can be high with professionals. So, unlike the mixing process, if I'm not satisfied with my own mastering, I may send it over to a pro as a backup plan.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on December 06, 2020, 12:24:51 PM
I think this whole Myers Briggs method of equating personality types is complete BS much like the whole idea of the Zodiac is BS. It boils down to one thing in the end: are you a decent person? Because if you’re not, then more chances than not, you’ll be on the receiving end on whatever kind of pain it is you caused someone else.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 06, 2020, 07:54:30 PM
I think this whole Myers Briggs method of equating personality types is complete BS much like the whole idea of the Zodiac is BS.
Why even say this if you don't explain why, this is literally the type of comment you see on political threads. You don't have to like it (actually I'm starting to like other typing systems much more than Myers Briggs nowadays), but saying it's BS without explaining is just... why?

There's a reason why I don't get into Zodiac signs at all but get into typing systems. It's not 100% accurate stuff, but can be revealing.


It boils down to one thing in the end: are you a decent person? Because if you’re not, then more chances than not, you’ll be on the receiving end on whatever kind of pain it is you caused someone else.
Yeah, but that's obvious and boring. Typing systems are fun. I don't care much about focusing on people, they are just examples to understand the system.
It's very helpful to think about systems, anyways, if you are the type of person who always has several trains of thought going on at the same time... otherwise my tendency is to focus on existential depression, and fun stuff like this helps me avoid those thoughts.
Title: Myers Briggs/Enneagram
Post by: greg on December 06, 2020, 09:43:15 PM
(https://www.typologycentral.com/wiki/images/thumb/c/ca/MBTI_and_Enneagram_3.png/1200px-MBTI_and_Enneagram_3.png)

Combining two systems gives more information.

Example, my types:
5w4 in enneagram
INTP usually in MBTI, but there is some flexibility in T and P, so I'd rather say for sure, INxx, but that doesn't give much information...

If you add the two together it makes more sense. INFJ, INFP, INTJ, INTP are the four predominant corresponding types for enneagram Type 5 and 4...
So basically INxx = 5w4 or 4w5.

I like to think of 5w4 as a fusion of goth and nerd (going by high school groups, that concept I sort of briefly mentioned in regards to neurotyping). Aka sciences/arts.

Whereas something like 5w6 is more of a pure nerd, for example Bill Gates and Elon Musk are typed this way. It corresponds to IxTx in MBTI. Aka just hard sciences.



side note: not sure if my enneagram subtype is sp/sx or sx/sp (self-preservation or sexual). It's definitely not so (social), though.
might just be one of those things, if they are so close, then they are both sorta applicable, in the same way that I could just as well be 4w5 as 5w4, all typing is an approximation anyways so there is no measurable and specific answer.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on December 06, 2020, 10:00:10 PM
Why even say this if you don't explain why, this is literally the type of comment you see on political threads. You don't have to like it (actually I'm starting to like other typing systems much more than Myers Briggs nowadays), but saying it's BS without explaining is just... why?

There's a reason why I don't get into Zodiac signs at all but get into typing systems. It's not 100% accurate stuff, but can be revealing.

Yeah, but that's obvious and boring. Typing systems are fun. I don't care much about focusing on people, they are just examples to understand the system.
It's very helpful to think about systems, anyways, if you are the type of person who always has several trains of thought going on at the same time... otherwise my tendency is to focus on existential depression, and fun stuff like this helps me avoid those thoughts.

Why is this system BS? It’s pretty simple: no system can begin to measure the basis of a person’s personality. If you’re having issues with depression perhaps it’s time to figure out why you’re depressed and worry less about these kinds of things? There is no such thing as a healthy diversion, especially when your own health in on the line. Avoidance is exactly what you shouldn’t be doing at this juncture. I really hope you get help or ask someone for help if you truly feel depressed. It will only get worse if you don’t figure out why you’re feeling the way you do.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 07, 2020, 08:46:49 AM
If a system can't measure it, then words can't either. So you might as well go the rest of your life never using any words to describe a person. Systems are just a bunch of words summed up as shorthand code.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on December 07, 2020, 11:13:50 AM
If a system can't measure it, then words can't either. So you might as well go the rest of your life never using any words to describe a person. Systems are just a bunch of words summed up as shorthand code.

If creating diversions instead of tackling your own mental problems is what gets you going, then, by all means, continue.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 07, 2020, 11:45:34 AM
If creating diversions instead of tackling your own mental problems is what gets you going, then, by all means, continue.
Diversions are the solution to that. Focus on the the worst things in your life that you can't fix... maybe not a good idea, right?
You can't fix it, so why think about it? Think about something else. That's the point.
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: Mirror Image on December 07, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
Diversions are the solution to that. Focus on the the worst things in your life that you can't fix... maybe not a good idea, right?
You can't fix it, so why think about it? Think about something else. That's the point.

Well, that depends on many factors. What is the root of your depression?
Title: Re: Myers Briggs
Post by: greg on December 07, 2020, 07:31:49 PM
Well, that depends on many factors. What is the root of your depression?
I'm not technically depressed, but definitely have the tendency to magnify focus whatever I'm missing or haven't accomplished yet.

The good side is that it pushes me very strongly to get stuff done, and it's the reason why I'm not way worse off (actually, I'm not even doing bad psychologically nowadays, I'm doing well enough tbh).
The bad side is that reality only has so much to offer, and it just falls very short in many ways. Some things just aren't possible.

The sense of lacking is always there, though it's not as consistently overwhelming as before since I took care of the most important stuff.

I'll tell you straight up, my dream is a harem of cute anime girls, that is what I imagine every day, that will never happen, obviously because that's impossible. So being that far from what is ideal is not much fun.

Also, I know this is weird, but when I was working at Lowe's and extremely bored is when I thought of both my good fantasy (see above) and my bad fantasy, what could conceivably be the best and worst kind of universes. And honestly, thinking about the worst possible one is too haunting to even talk about, and little echoes of that somehow get mixed in my observations of life, because the bad is literally an extreme exaggeration of what life is.

And it always feels like I need more time. For example, I wanted to have been fluent at Japanese many years ago but it's such a monumental amount of study and I wanted to do many more things in the meantime that I haven't got much better at all. So it's always there to work on, but it's just not good enough right now. It's like constantly having multiple itches.

But yeah, maybe that helps for understanding. I'm extremely ambitious and uncompromising. Good for some things (great for music composition IMO), but it has some major downsides as well.