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Title: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Ten thumbs on November 17, 2007, 10:18:25 AM
My thanks to harry for his excellent review of Louise's 2nd Symphony. I now have her three symphonies together with chamber works courtesy of Ambache. Here is a composer who really knew how to use intruments and these works ought to be better known. I won't say I can whistle the tunes after a single hearing but I can't do that for Brahms. What is important is whether or not the music becomes recognisable to me and I believe it will.
There is an excellent article on Louise Ferranc in Wikipedia and I do find it reprehensible that an established composer, who was also a virtuoso pianist, professor of piano at the Paris Conservatoire for thirty years and also compiler of an important anthology of early music receives not a mention in my music encyclopaedia. Is this an abject failure in scholarship or gross prejudice?
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Harry on November 17, 2007, 10:24:55 AM
My thanks to harry for his excellent review of Louise's 2nd Symphony. I now have her three symphonies together with chamber works courtesy of Ambache. Here is a composer who really knew how to use intruments and these works ought to be better known. I won't say I can whistle the tunes after a single hearing but I can't do that for Brahms. What is important is whether or not the music becomes recognisable to me and I believe it will.
There is an excellent article on Louise Ferranc in Wikipedia and I do find it reprehensible that an established composer, who was also a virtuoso pianist, professor of piano at the Paris Conservatoire for thirty years and also compiler of an important anthology of early music receives not a mention in my music encyclopaedia. Is this an abject failure in scholarship or gross prejudice?

And she was a beautiful woman, a woman in that time......composing writing, getting babies, being a professor. That was not a normal thing for a woman in that time. And indeed she wrote magnificent music to boot. By now I have all what is recorded....
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 17, 2007, 10:35:25 AM
....Is this an abject failure in scholarship or gross prejudice?

Gross prejudice. Ferrenc is no mystery to any music scholar, but giving her her just due as a fine musician is more than can be handled, apparently. Then or now. :)

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Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: JoshLilly on November 17, 2007, 01:34:40 PM
I bought two cpo CDs several years ago with her three symphonies and two concert overtures, and have recently come back to them. I always really liked them, but now that I've been getting more into Romantic-era music, this time I'm absolutely blown away... specifically by the Symphony #1 in C minor. Now that I've been listening to this work again - repeatedly! - it strikes me as a truly great symphony. Taken as a set, her complete orchestral works are just staggering to me; maybe I'm alone in this, but I honestly can't get enough of all of these works lately. Especially the first movements of all three are just incredible! The scherzo of the Symphony #3 also seems like a Raff-like work of genius. 
 
Maybe they're cherry picking what "they" consider Farrenc's best works, but I got some of her chamber music and there are a Piano Sextet and Piano Trio that are just magnificent. I understand that the Piano Sextet is often considered her finest work.  Unfortunately, there really isn't much more to record, as she didn't write all that much. What I wouldn't give for a Symphony #4!
 
As far as I'm concerned, based on the few works I have, Farrenc has one of the highest batting averages of all composers.


By the way, note the spelling of her name: Farrenc.
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Harry on November 17, 2007, 01:57:11 PM
I bought two cpo CDs several years ago with her three symphonies and two concert overtures, and have recently come back to them. I always really liked them, but now that I've been getting more into Romantic-era music, this time I'm absolutely blown away... specifically by the Symphony #1 in C minor. Now that I've been listening to this work again - repeatedly! - it strikes me as a truly great symphony. Taken as a set, her complete orchestral works are just staggering to me; maybe I'm alone in this, but I honestly can't get enough of all of these works lately. Especially the first movements of all three are just incredible! The scherzo of the Symphony #3 also seems like a Raff-like work of genius. 
 
Maybe they're cherry picking what "they" consider Farrenc's best works, but I got some of her chamber music and there are a Piano Sextet and Piano Trio that are just magnificent. I understand that the Piano Sextet is often considered her finest work.  Unfortunately, there really isn't much more to record, as she didn't write all that much. What I wouldn't give for a Symphony #4!
 
As far as I'm concerned, based on the few works I have, Farrenc has one of the highest batting averages of all composers.


By the way, note the spelling of her name: Farrenc.

Well I wrote quite enthusiastic reviews when I listen to them a month or so ago..
And you are right, you keep playing them over and over again....
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Daverz on November 17, 2007, 07:15:25 PM
I have a CD of her chamber music on Harmonia Mundi.  It's nice.
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 17, 2007, 07:23:07 PM
I have a CD of her chamber music on Harmonia Mundi.  It's nice.

The only ones I've seen (and gotten) were on CPO. I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the tip, Dave. :)

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Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Daverz on November 17, 2007, 07:28:47 PM
The only ones I've seen (and gotten) were on CPO. I'll have to check this out. Thanks for the tip, Dave. :)

Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Louise-Farrenc-Musique-Gilbert-Audin/dp/B000A2ACI8

Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 17, 2007, 07:33:38 PM
Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Louise-Farrenc-Musique-Gilbert-Audin/dp/B000A2ACI8



Thanks. Put it in the cart. :)

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Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Wanderer on November 17, 2007, 07:50:35 PM
Thanks. Put it in the cart. :)

That's a very good recording, although I admit I haven't listened to it in quite a while.
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Brian on November 17, 2007, 08:20:13 PM
I'm glad we have a Farrenc thread! I own the CPO disc featuring her first and third symphonies, and although the third didn't make much of an impression the First Symphony is an absolute masterwork. It's impossible not to be drawn in by the uneasy introduction, quietly questioning, trying to find resolution, and suddenly interrupted by a massive fortissimo drum roll! The main melodies are terrific and all in all the symphony is tremendous.

Hector Berlioz said, "she is a good orchestrator, for a woman." I would amend that comment to this: "she is a good orchestrator, for a 19th-century symphonist who wasn't Hector Berlioz."  ;D
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Grazioso on November 18, 2007, 04:30:41 AM
For those interested in Farrenc, try Alice Mary Smith (1839-1884), the first British woman symphonist (at least of note)

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This isn't merely a historical curiosity, but really good music.
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: rubio on November 18, 2007, 05:38:24 AM
Anybody heard this "Musique de chambre" on Valois?

http://www.amazon.com/Louise-Farrenc-Musique-Gilbert-Audin/dp/B000A2ACI8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1195392980&sr=1-5

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Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Gurn Blanston on November 18, 2007, 06:04:09 AM
Anybody heard this "Musique de chambre" on Valois?


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That's the one that Daverz, Wanderer and I were talking about above. Daverz says Harmonia Mundi, but it is Valois, although maybe this is a reissue? Anyway, they recommend it and I'm planning on finding out... :)

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Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Daverz on November 18, 2007, 06:13:54 AM
That's the one that Daverz, Wanderer and I were talking about above. Daverz says Harmonia Mundi, but it is Valois,


Well, it's French at least...  :-\
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Ten thumbs on November 18, 2007, 11:26:02 AM
Sorry about the spelling! It was thumb trouble.
The piano trio coupling with Berwald looks interesting. There are also at least two recordings of the piano quintets. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: SonicMan46 on September 10, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
Well, I'd like to revive this thread on Louise Farrenc (1804-1875), who I've just discovered - must have missed this thread on its first appearance, but a month or so back, I acquired the Piano Quintets, Op. 30 & 31 - just marvelous on the CPO label; so decided to obtain some more of her orchestral compositions, i.e. the Symphonies, Nos. 1-3 & Overtures, also on CPO w/ the ever productive Goritzki!  Listening to these CDs while typing - symphonies composed in the 1840s!

Amazing gal - brilliant pianist, excellent teacher (only female professor in the 19th century @ the Paris Conservatoire), and composer of about 50 works w/ Opus numbers - sad personal life w/ an only daughter dying to TB in her early 30s (an outstanding pianist & budding composer) - short but good Wiki Article HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Farrenc) - the CPO liner notes are extensive & excellent!

I'd like to acquire some more chamber works & also some solo piano compositions - so bring on the recommendations, please!  :D


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Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Heather Harrison on September 10, 2008, 04:10:45 PM
I discovered Louise Farrenc over a year ago when I heard one of the piano quintets at a concert.  Since then, I have bought the CDs of the symphonies and I intend to buy more.  I find her music to be better than much I have heard from "forgotten" composers from around the same time.  It is a shame that she was forgotten for so long.  Hopefully she will be "discovered" now and more of her music will end up on concert programs.

Heather
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Ten thumbs on September 11, 2008, 12:35:03 AM
I have the Sextet (Piano and wind) Op40, the Nonet (Strings and wind) Op38 and the Trio (Piano, flute and cello) Op45 on the Ambache label. These are lively performances but I cannot give a comparison.
I'm pleased to see the Nonet in a programme to be given shortly by the Esbjerg Ensemble (Skipton, 21st October) but sadly I shall be traveling in Australia at the time.
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Grazioso on September 12, 2008, 02:26:21 AM
That piano quintets disc is indeed a good one! A composer of related interest worth hearing is the Victorian Alice Mary Smith:

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Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: SonicMan46 on September 11, 2009, 08:11:53 AM
Well, time to bring this thread TTT after a year in hibernation -  ;D

Just acquired and am now listening to the disc below - Piano Trios & Sextet w/ the Linos Ensemble (who also perform in her Piano Quintets on CPO); comments about her life & career made previously.  This disc was recommended in the GMG forum and also has received a strong endorsement from Scott on Amazon HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Louise-Farrenc-Piano-Trios-Sextet/dp/B001UWOIXM/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1252687005&sr=8-6)!

So, any new experiences or acquisitions of Farrenc's music to discuss or recommend?  :)

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Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: jhar26 on April 05, 2010, 11:59:35 AM
I recently bought the two CPO discs with the symphonies and overtures. She's very good in my opinion. Personally I'm impressed the most with symphony No.2.
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: SonicMan46 on April 05, 2010, 12:50:59 PM
I recently bought the two CPO discs with the symphonies and overtures. She's very good in my opinion. Personally I'm impressed the most with symphony No.2.

Glad to see this thread come to life again!  ;D   Still own the 4 discs posted previously - have not checked to see 'what' new may have appeared in the interim, but would be curious!   :)
Title: Re: Louise Ferranc
Post by: Josquin des Prez on April 05, 2010, 01:03:35 PM
That was not a normal thing for a woman in that time.

It was as normal then as it is now.
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: SonicMan46 on March 26, 2011, 02:35:36 PM
Below is a post that I just left in the 'listening thread' - thought a duplication here would be appropriate:

Farrenc, Louise (1804-1875) - Piano Works w/ Konstanze Eickhorst (recorded in 2002); rather brief Fanfare review from 2004, which I find rather dismissive & chauvinistic, but I don't know the reviewer that well - this is my 6th disc of Farrenc's music (all on the CPO label); the playing is persuasive and sympathetic, and the sound recording of the piano excellent.  The music is quite pleasant and varied - no not Chopin or Liszt (or other males of the time), but Louise was a MAJOR female composer in the 19th century, a difficult accomplishment - for those getting into Clara & Fanny, this gal is certainly another consideration for this era -  :D

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FARRENC  Air russe varié, op. 17. Piano Etudes, op. 26/19, 7, 4, 10, 8, 30, 3, 12. Valse brillante, op. 48. Nocturne, op. 49. Variations brillantes, op. 15  •  Konstanze Eickhorst (pf)  •  cpo 999 879-2 (60:00)
  Paris born Louise Farrenc (1804–1875)—her married name; she was born Jeanne–Louise Dumont—was a pianist and a teacher, so it’s not surprising that the music here is idiomatically written for the instrument, and is very sympathetically played by Konstanze Eickhorst, who has been well recorded.
  Put simply, Farrenc’s music, certainly this choice from it, is pleasing without suggesting itself as particularly individual or memorable. One could cite Haydn, Mozart, Mendelssohn, and Chopin as all being in there somewhere; or one can borrow the booklet note’s mention of Hummel, Moscheles, and Reicha—the latter was Farrenc’s teacher—as another group of references.
  I imagine that anyone with a very specific interest in the piano and the era in which Farrenc lived will find this an attractive release. Otherwise, this likeable, fluently written music will pass an hour pleasantly. Colin Anderson
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Ten thumbs on March 30, 2011, 03:34:42 AM
Below is a post that I just left in the 'listening thread' - thought a duplication here would be appropriate:

Farrenc, Louise (1804-1875) - Piano Works w/ Konstanze Eickhorst (recorded in 2002); rather brief Fanfare review from 2004, which I find rather dismissive & chauvinistic, but I don't know the reviewer that well - this is my 6th disc of Farrenc's music (all on the CPO label); the playing is persuasive and sympathetic, and the sound recording of the piano excellent.  The music is quite pleasant and varied - no not Chopin or Liszt (or other males of the time), but Louise was a MAJOR female composer in the 19th century, a difficult accomplishment - for those getting into Clara & Fanny, this gal is certainly another consideration for this era -  :D

(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/FarrencPianoEickhorst/1228359179_rTQeT-O.jpg)  (http://mmcdn1.hosting-media.net/wp/fr/28824/Louise_Farrenc.jpg)

Thank you for posting this. I don't have this CD but its on my list. Its a pity that none of her piano music is available on IMSLP, even more so as many of her editions of CPE Bach's sonatas can be found there. The work she and her husband did in rescuing work from that earlier period is something we should be forever grateful for.
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: snyprrr on March 31, 2011, 08:56:28 AM
Well, I'd like to revive this thread on Louise Farrenc (1804-1875), who I've just discovered - must have missed this thread on its first appearance, but a month or so back, I acquired the Piano Quintets, Op. 30 & 31 - just marvelous on the CPO label; so decided to obtain some more of her orchestral compositions, i.e. the Symphonies, Nos. 1-3 & Overtures, also on CPO w/ the ever productive Goritzki!  Listening to these CDs while typing - symphonies composed in the 1840s!

Amazing gal - brilliant pianist, excellent teacher (only female professor in the 19th century @ the Paris Conservatoire), and composer of about 50 works w/ Opus numbers - sad personal life w/ an only daughter dying to TB in her early 30s (an outstanding pianist & budding composer) - short but good Wiki Article HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Farrenc) - the CPO liner notes are extensive & excellent!

I'd like to acquire some more chamber works & also some solo piano compositions - so bring on the recommendations, please!  :D


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I was just listening to a few mvmts. from that PQ disc. I definitely noticed a 'professional' quality in the piano writing, and the pieces certainly have vitality: accomplished, I would call it; but, the memorability factor is missing for me. Still, very solid writing. Thankfully, the gender factor wasn't an issue whilst listening, but now, I'm thinking about it, and I must say, that my initial reaction was nice, neat, and tidy, and professional/businesslike,... very pruned and picked,... maybe fussy?? :o I don't know, perhaps one can hear her femininity in the music?

Still, I neeeed BigTunes! ::)

Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Ten thumbs on March 31, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
I was just listening to a few mvmts. from that PQ disc. I definitely noticed a 'professional' quality in the piano writing, and the pieces certainly have vitality: accomplished, I would call it; but, the memorability factor is missing for me. Still, very solid writing. Thankfully, the gender factor wasn't an issue whilst listening, but now, I'm thinking about it, and I must say, that my initial reaction was nice, neat, and tidy, and professional/businesslike,... very pruned and picked,... maybe fussy?? :o I don't know, perhaps one can hear her femininity in the music?

Still, I neeeed BigTunes! ::)
I can see your point about big tunes but if you want big tunes from a lady that do stick in your mind, try Alice Mary Smith. One thing I don't agree on though is that in all my investigation of music by woman I find them in general to be more direct, more emotional and far less fussy than the men.
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Grazioso on April 01, 2011, 09:25:57 AM
I was just listening to a few mvmts. from that PQ disc. I definitely noticed a 'professional' quality in the piano writing, and the pieces certainly have vitality: accomplished, I would call it; but, the memorability factor is missing for me. Still, very solid writing. Thankfully, the gender factor wasn't an issue whilst listening, but now, I'm thinking about it, and I must say, that my initial reaction was nice, neat, and tidy, and professional/businesslike,... very pruned and picked,... maybe fussy?? :o I don't know, perhaps one can hear her femininity in the music?

Still, I neeeed BigTunes! ::)

Try the symphonies, which can sound rather Beethovenian in their vigor, assertiveness, and drama--no doilies or needlework in sight. They are, dare I say, rather macho ;D

http://www.youtube.com/v/KYIX21blNmE
http://www.youtube.com/v/Fnqcw8cE0zA
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: Leo K. on April 02, 2011, 09:53:40 AM
I am enjoying, thanks to this forum, the music of Louise Farrenc immensely!

I've heard the 1st symphony so far from this recording:

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And the Piano Quintet no.1 in A minor.

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The music is very articulate and romantic in the grand sense. The sound of her musical construction and melodic material capture my attention.
Title: Re: Louise Farrenc
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 10, 2020, 01:15:46 PM
Farrenc - TTT after 9 years - WOW!  ???

Starting the 'Fs' in my classic collection review - have added the first two CDs below (now up to a half dozen, most shown in previous posts): 1) Nonet, Op. 38 & Clarinet Trio, Op. 44 w/ Consortium Classicum (review attached); and 2) Piano Quintets, Op. 30 & 31 w/ Quintetto Bottesini - this recording replaced my older one with the Linos Ensemble; the newer one is from 2013 and sound/performance superb (excellent review); Farrenc uses a double bass in place of a violin in these quintets.  The Violin Sonatas, Op. 37 & 39 are playing on Spotify at the moment and quite enjoyable.  Looking on Amazon, there are some options in the Symphonies, although the Goritzki discs which I own are fine to my ears.  There were also some new 'piano recordings' with Biliana Tzinlikova and Joanne Polk - will have to listen on Spotify, both available.  Dave :)

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