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Title: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Zhiliang on July 08, 2008, 07:49:52 AM
Hi, i have just bought a cd of Ivan Moravec playing the Chopin Ballades and have been impressed. Are there any other essential or great recordings i can also buy?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brewski on July 08, 2008, 07:55:05 AM
Others will have many more suggestions than I can offer, but I do have this disc (http://www.ivanmoravec.net/albums/al-cdx5103.html) of Debussy and Chopin (on Vox, from 1983), which I bought shortly after hearing him playing both composers live a couple of years ago.  (He was superb, by the way.)

--Bruce
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: mn dave on July 08, 2008, 08:00:08 AM
chopin nocturnes
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Todd on July 08, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: SonicMan46 on July 08, 2008, 08:19:20 AM
chopin nocturnes

Agree w/ Dave & Todd on the 2-CD set of Nocturnes; replaced a previous set & I've listened to others since the Moravec purchase, but keep it in my collection!  :)

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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Zhiliang on July 08, 2008, 08:22:39 AM
Thanks for all the recommendations, i really find so many new ideas in his Ballades.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Zhiliang on July 08, 2008, 08:24:34 AM
Is he well known for his Chopin? How is his Beethoven Sonatas?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on July 08, 2008, 08:32:25 AM
If Todd's many illustrations don't provide an obvious hint, let me simplify things somewhat: buy everything you can find by Moravec. At least, everything that you consider affordable--he has a Beethoven CD featuring the Appassionata (taken from his 1960s recordings of LvB sonatas) that commands ever-larger sums on Amazon and elsewhere. The reason is simple: almost everything Moravec does is well considered, intelligent AND interesting.

In fact, if you still have a working turntable, you should look for two LP box sets (one on Beethoven, the other on Chopin) that were widely distributed in the US by a Book-of-the-Month offshoot back in the '60s and '70s and that show up for absurdly low amounts at thrifts and used bookstores. These are treasures--and contain many of the same performances, in excellent sound, that are found on several of the CDs already noted here.

I've suggested several times, on this forum and elsewhere, that it's time for Brilliant or Naxos or some label to collect and reissue all the Moravec available.

Um...can you tell that I rather like the pianist?
 ;D

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: rubio on July 08, 2008, 09:29:28 AM
I very much consider this one at the moment :):

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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 08, 2008, 09:42:37 AM
Hi, i have just bought a cd of Ivan Moravec playing the Chopin Ballades and have been impressed. Are there any other essential or great recordings i can also buy?

Anything with his name on it. Especially the ones by Chopin or Beethoven.  8)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Que on July 08, 2008, 09:58:13 AM
I very much consider this one at the moment :):

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Bélholávek does not quite match Moravec's level of inspiration, but the Czech Philharmonic is a pleasure to the ear.

Q
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 08, 2008, 10:11:17 AM
Bélholávek does not quite match Moravec's level of inspiration, but the Czech Philharmonic is a pleasure to the ear.

Q

Yes, while not a top choice, there is much to enjoy in that set.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Josquin des Prez on July 08, 2008, 10:28:35 AM
Moravec's Appassionata is as definitive as you can get.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: ezodisy on July 08, 2008, 02:09:26 PM

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this is my favourite Moravec release. However as others have said, whatever you buy will have something special about it. In particular keep an eye out for a rare Moravec/Ancerl CD of Prokofiev PC 1.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on July 08, 2008, 02:24:01 PM
Saw him live in March of 2007.  He performed Mozart's PC No. 14 and Franck's Symphonic Variations for Piano and Orchestra.....absolutely incredible.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Daverz on July 08, 2008, 02:38:08 PM
Really, anything of his that you can get your hands on.  However, I never got the Brahms concertos as the reviews seemed rather luke warm on that one (more the fault of Behlolavek, I suspect.)

In addition to what others have recommended:

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The second has his earlier recording of the Beethoven 4th concerto with Turnovsky.  That last one has sonatas 8, 14, 23 & 26.  If you do buy any of the VAI CDs, check them right away.  I got one that wouldn't play at all and had to be replaced.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Zhiliang on July 08, 2008, 04:29:04 PM
Thanks for all the recommendations. Now i know, he is THAT GOOD :P    I have already ordered the Nocturnes....
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: mn dave on July 08, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
Anyone have this?
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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on July 08, 2008, 07:38:56 PM
If you enjoy Moravec in Chopin (why wouldn't you?), I would recommend the 2002 release from Vox Classics (VXP 7908) on which he plays the Bb Minor sonata, the Berceuse, the Fantaisie, three mazurkas, and perhaps most importantly, his hands-down best recording of the 4th Ballade. So far as I know, there are three available recordings of Moravec playing the 4th Ballade. Of the three, this is definitely the best, and probably the best recording of the piece I have heard. (Another excellent recording of Moravec playing this piece is stuck at the end of the Supraphon release of the 24 Preludes).

And I would repeat the recommendations for his nocturnes -- unrivaled in my opinion. I have been on a Moravec kick as of late. Certainly one of the greatest living pianists.

As a side note, I've also recently discovered Earl Wild's Chopin. If you find Moravec's Ballades convincing, I have a feeling you may also enjoy Wild's recording of the Ballades and Scherzos... his interpretations are unlike Moravec's, but the two are similar in that they both fully/maturely understand the music and bring out all sorts of nuances many others miss.

Why do so few people know of Moravec?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Daverz on July 08, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
Anyone have this?
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Yes, it's pretty good, but I still think I prefer the Schumann recording with Neumann.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Que on July 08, 2008, 07:56:43 PM
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That Schumann is one of the very best performances available, must-have Moravec IMO! :)

Q
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on July 08, 2008, 09:16:49 PM
Here's some live Chopin from the Royal Festival Hall a few years ago (IIRC):

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=8517fa91b1f0f371d5a101cf914073b41feb111556d1b4d4
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on July 08, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
Moravec is a great pianist and musician and he seems to very rarely produce a clunker.  Yes, his Nocturnes are outstanding and while I also love the Rubinstein, Moravec's approach is different and works. I can't think of how I would better either of these performances.

I also have him playing LvB 8, 14, 26 and 27. Somehow the much vaunted 23 isn't there but he'd have to be so good to beat Richter, Gilels '60, or Rubinstein '45 so I'll wait until ebay drops its crazy price for the Appassionata. If anyone here has heard the others and can vouch for the Moravec then I might change my mind.

I've got 2 Moravec LvB 4ths with Turnovsky and Ancerl - not the Behlolavek. The Turnovsky is an absolute stand out so is the Behlolavek that much better?

BTW, his LvB Op 90 is the best I've heard of this work!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: RebLem on July 10, 2008, 06:21:07 AM
One of my favorites has been deleted, apparently, but if you ever find Praga PR 254 004, snap it up.  Its an all Prokofiev disc by the Czech Philharmonic conducted by Karel Ancerl with Ivan Moravec doing the First Piano Concerto.  It is the best performance of that work I have ever heard.  Also on the CD are the Classical Symphony, the Scythian Suite, and a short 8:21 piece called "Seven They are, Akkadian Incantation, Op. 30 with tenor Jaroslav Kachel.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: jwinter on February 03, 2009, 12:54:50 PM
Bump :)

I've been really enjoying Moravec's Chopin over the past week or so since I discovered it, and I just put in a largish order at Tower.com for several of his other CDs.  It seems amazing to me that somebody this good, who's been playing for so long, should be so completely under the radar, while my local Borders is solely stocked with Chopin from airbrushed Chinese teenagers.  I tells ya, there ain't no justice!   $:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Josquin des Prez on February 03, 2009, 12:57:33 PM
His Beethoven and Mozart are amazing. He's a brilliant pianist all around. I particularly like his appassionata, which i personally find unmatched.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Novi on February 03, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
For those of you in the area, you may wish to consider this recital at the Théâtre des Champs-Élysées in April:

IVAN MORAVEC, Piano

Schumann : Kinderszenen (Scènes d’enfants) op. 15
Beethoven : Sonate n° 23 en fa mineur op. 57 « Appassionata »
Debussy : Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l’air du soir
Children’s Corner
Chopin : Ballade n° 4 en fa mineur op. 52
Ballade n° 1 en sol mineur op. 23

http://www.theatrechampselysees.fr/saison-detail.php?t=5&s=127

The timing sucks for me as I can't leave the country at that time :'(.  Check out the programme ...
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on February 03, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
Bump :)

I've been really enjoying Moravec's Chopin over the past week or so since I discovered it, and I just put in a largish order at Tower.com for several of his other CDs.  It seems amazing to me that somebody this good, who's been playing for so long, should be so completely under the radar, while my local Borders is solely stocked with Chopin from airbrushed Chinese teenagers.  I tells ya, there ain't no justice!   $:)

Yeah, he's pretty much amazing (see the avatar!).

All 3 of his recordings of the 4th ballade are among my favorites, the best being the one paired with the 2nd sonata and Op. 49 Fantaisie. His preludes are great, his nocturnes are the best, his scherzi are excellent, his ballades are also terrific, as is his Polonaise-Fantaisie. Every one of his recordings that I've heard blows me away.

His Debussy and Mozart are also excellent; I'm looking forward to hearing his Beethoven.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 03, 2009, 01:22:17 PM
*waits patiently for his box set to arrive*

 0:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: ezodisy on February 03, 2009, 04:52:51 PM
IVAN MORAVEC, Piano

Schumann : Kinderszenen (Scènes d’enfants) op. 15
Beethoven : Sonate n° 23 en fa mineur op. 57 « Appassionata »
Debussy : Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l’air du soir
Children’s Corner
Chopin : Ballade n° 4 en fa mineur op. 52
Ballade n° 1 en sol mineur op. 23

he's been playing that programme and a shorter variation of it for years now. I saw part of it during a lunchtime recital in London a few years back and found the Debussy pieces the most impressive. He's really good at that music.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: SonicMan46 on February 03, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
*waits patiently for his box set to arrive*

 0:)

George - LOL  ;D  - we, among others, are certainly waiting for MDT to DELIVER!  ;) Dave
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 03, 2009, 06:55:16 PM
Another fine recording that deserves mention is this rarity from Dorian. It's prime Moravec in sumptuous sound.

As small as Moravec's discography is it's a real shame this recording languishes OOP.


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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 03, 2009, 06:55:59 PM
That Schumann is one of the very best performances available, must-have Moravec IMO! :)

Q

I agree with this, Q. :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 04, 2009, 05:40:06 AM
I agree with this, Q. :)

As do I. Supraphon should have included this disc in their box set.  :-\
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Herman on February 04, 2009, 06:58:07 AM
Another fine recording that deserves mention is this rarity from Dorian. It's prime Moravec in sumptuous sound.

As small as Moravec's discography is it's a real shame this recording languishes OOP.


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Ages ago I picked that one up from a used bin. What's so special about them is that Moravec's omterp of the Scherzi is 100% classical and restrained. This sounds dull compared to some of the fireworks you can get in the Scherzi, but it's really very exciting.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 04, 2009, 08:12:19 AM
Is this a great recommended Moravec album? -- I'm interested mainly in the Haydn.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 04, 2009, 08:14:11 AM
Is this a great recommended Moravec album? -- I'm interested mainly in the Haydn.

I haven't heard it yet, but to me a recommended Moravec CD is one with his name on it.  8)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 04, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
I haven't heard it yet, but to me a recommended Moravec CD is one with his name on it.  8)

I agree he's very good -- I'm tempted to go see him in Paris in April.

You can easily get that Supraphon box from Amazon dealers -- cheaper than MDT too, and it came very quickly. I got mine for £22.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 04, 2009, 12:55:07 PM
I agree he's very good -- I'm tempted to go see him in Paris in April.

That would be interesting. I've never heard his Basie.  ;D

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You can easily get that Supraphon box from Amazon dealers -- cheaper than MDT too, and it came very quickly. I got mine for £22.

Actually, mine was $20 shipped from MDT. They had a sale that ended recently.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on February 04, 2009, 01:12:15 PM
We could all go see him in Kansas City, too  :):

http://www.ivanmoravec.net/schedule/schedule.html#apr17.2009gig
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on February 04, 2009, 06:28:40 PM
We could all go see him in Kansas City, too  :):

http://www.ivanmoravec.net/schedule/schedule.html#apr17.2009gig
OMG. I would willingly steal a friend's car, drive all day Friday, and sleep in the backseat that night and drive back all day Saturday to see that. If I had a guarantee I wouldn't be arrested.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on February 04, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
OMG. I would willingly steal a friend's car, drive all day Friday, and sleep in the backseat that night and drive back all day Saturday to see that. If I had a guarantee I wouldn't be arrested.

Or a guarantee that the show won't be canceled! I mean, seriously — why Kansas City, and nowhere else in the Midwest? Sounds like a show begging to get the axe... but maybe not!

(And I'm seriously considering getting tickets, by the way :D)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 04, 2009, 06:43:46 PM
Or a guarantee that the show won't be canceled! I mean, seriously — why Kansas City, and nowhere else in the Midwest? Sounds like a show begging to get the axe... but maybe not!

(And I'm seriously considering getting tickets, by the way :D)

I live in New York City for crying out loud. You think it would be easy for me to see Moravec or Gekic.  ::)  :-[  >:(
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on February 04, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
I live in New York City for crying out loud. You think it would be easy for me to see Moravec or Gekic.  ::)  :-[  >:(

But he's apparently playing at Middlebury and Princeton in April, too!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 04, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
But he's apparently playing at Middlebury and Princeton in April, too!

Ohhhh. Princeton, home of the best used record store in the galaxy!!  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on February 04, 2009, 09:04:03 PM
Ages ago I picked that one up from a used bin. What's so special about them is that Moravec's omterp of the Scherzi is 100% classical and restrained. This sounds dull compared to some of the fireworks you can get in the Scherzi, but it's really very exciting.

I found this recording at a used shop, too.

And I agree with your description. Moravec may never win any prizes for keyboard acrobatics but he finds other ways to 'wow' a listener. His combination of poetry, symmetry, and color makes the most of these Scherzi.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 04, 2009, 09:41:29 PM
OMG. I would willingly steal a friend's car, drive all day Friday, and sleep in the backseat that night and drive back all day Saturday to see that. If I had a guarantee I wouldn't be arrested.

Go to Paris -- no one cares where you sleep there.

And the food's better than Kansas.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Gabriel on February 05, 2009, 02:09:36 PM
For those of you in the area, you may wish to consider this recital at the Théâtre des Champs-Élysées in April:

IVAN MORAVEC, Piano

Schumann : Kinderszenen (Scènes d’enfants) op. 15
Beethoven : Sonate n° 23 en fa mineur op. 57 « Appassionata »
Debussy : Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l’air du soir
Children’s Corner
Chopin : Ballade n° 4 en fa mineur op. 52
Ballade n° 1 en sol mineur op. 23

http://www.theatrechampselysees.fr/saison-detail.php?t=5&s=127

The timing sucks for me as I can't leave the country at that time :'(.  Check out the programme ...


I have already bought my tickets...  ;D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on February 05, 2009, 02:35:58 PM
Go to Paris -- no one cares where you sleep there.
Getting there would be a trick  ;D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: ezodisy on February 05, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
speaking of Paris I just watched Paris Hilton's British Best Friend (BBF). I can't believe that chick walked out at the end. Jesus. TTYN for her
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 14, 2009, 07:02:34 AM
I've been playing this all day, and I'd like to let everyone know that it is now my favourite CD.

Everything about it seems perfect -- the speed, the tone, the rhythm . . .

Hey Holden,

You said a while ago in another thread that you liked Klara Wurtz's Mozart. I'm tempted. Has it stood the test of time?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 07:04:40 AM
I've been playing this all day, and I'd like to let everyone know that it is now my favourite CD.

Everything about it seems perfect -- the speed, the tone, the rhythm . . .

Good news, as I have the 4CD box set coming (at some point) and that was one of two CDs from the box that I haven't heard yet.

The Beethoven one is incredible!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 14, 2009, 07:10:42 AM
Good news, as I have the 4CD box set coming (at some point) and that was one of two CDs from the box that I haven't heard yet.

The Beethoven one is incredible!

Yeah, especially the Pathetique.

My advice is you cancel that order with MDT and buy the thing through amazon.

Life's too short.

I've just ordered his live disc with the Haydn. I want to hear everything this man did.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 14, 2009, 07:14:06 AM
My advice is you cancel that order with MDT and buy the thing through amazon.

Life's too short.

Thanks. It costs more than double on amazon and I got an email from a supervisor awhile back that they were getting me a copy. Plus I still got tons of stuff that haven't been played once.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on February 14, 2009, 01:55:27 PM

Hey Holden,

You said a while ago in another thread that you liked Klara Wurtz's Mozart. I'm tempted. Has it stood the test of time?

Yes, most definitely!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 20, 2009, 04:49:50 AM
Do you guys know that there are lots of Moravec recordings available for download on e-music?  http://www.emusic.com

You can even get his hard to find -- and outstandingly brilliant --  Beethoven 3rd concerto with Neumann.

The sound is surprisingly good.

And there's a free two week trial period where you can make upto 25 free downloads.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on February 20, 2009, 08:09:57 PM
Do you guys know that there are lots of Moravec recordings available for download on e-music?  http://www.emusic.com

You can even get his hard to find -- and outstandingly brilliant --  Beethoven 3rd concerto with Neumann.

The sound is surprisingly good.

And there's a free two week trial period where you can make upto 25 free downloads.

Is the Appassionata there?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 20, 2009, 08:26:04 PM
Is the Appassionata there?

Sadly, it isn't. I just checked.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on February 21, 2009, 09:54:40 AM
Yeah, seriously... I want his Appassionata. Anybody??
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on February 21, 2009, 11:52:22 AM
You can even get his hard to find -- and outstandingly brilliant --  Beethoven 3rd concerto with Neumann.
The sound is surprisingly good.

Like that one, do you, Mandryka? I've always thought it rather quirky, myself...at least in comparison, say, to Annie Fischer's classic take of the 3rd with Fricsay. OTOH, Moravec's recordings of the 4th are beautifully done. I don't think I've ever heard of Moravec playing any other Beethoven concertos, though. Darn. Why no Emperor from this guy, I wonder?

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 22, 2009, 06:05:40 AM
Yeah, seriously... I want his Appassionata. Anybody??

Well, he's playing it in Paris Mid April -- I can't go as I'm not in Europe then.

But maybe the concert's being broadcast.

Like that one, do you, Mandryka? I've always thought it rather quirky, myself...at least in comparison, say, to Annie Fischer's classic take of the 3rd with Fricsay.

Yeah -- it's obvious you guys on this forum are well into Annie Fischer -- to be honest she's not someone I'd payed a lot of attention to before. But the amount of positive vibes about her I get on this forum, and the bits I've heard on youtube, make me very curious.

Only problem is her Beethoven Sonatas cost an arm and a leg.

Re Moravec 3rd PC -- two points.

First, after having had it for just a couple of days, I can say I'm well hacked off with the sound. I can tolerate piano on MP3, but not orchestra.

And second -- why quirky? I have two other recordings -- Moiseivitch and Gould. I'll compare and contrast and evaluate for quirk value sometime.

Besides -- quirky's good  >:D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 22, 2009, 07:39:54 AM
David Hurwitz explains here why the Appassionata was not included in the Superaphon Beethoven reissue. (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/msg/3a4382116fa19790)

Apparently it was Moravec's idea, due to comment made by an undisclosed critic about an omitted repeat in the finale. Moravec has said he would like to re-record the sonata at a later date. 

Not being one who likes to gamble, I bought the VAI CD today:

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/16/169343.JPG)
 8)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on February 22, 2009, 08:30:28 AM
David Hurwitz explains here why the Appassionata was not included in the Superaphon Beethoven reissue. (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/msg/3a4382116fa19790)

Apparently it was Moravec's idea, due to comment made by an undisclosed critic about an omitted repeat in the finale. Moravec has said he would like to re-record the sonata at a later date. 

Not being one who likes to gamble, I bought the VAI CD today:

(http://www.arkivmusic.com/graphics/covers/full/16/169343.JPG)
 8)

That's so GEORGE of you!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 22, 2009, 08:32:40 AM
That's so GEORGE of you!

I could have bought that CD a few years back for regular price ($15 or so, used), but for some reason I didn't. Just dropped $50 on a new copy - lesson learned.  ::)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on February 22, 2009, 01:00:44 PM
Yeah -- it's obvious you guys on this forum are well into Annie Fischer -- to be honest she's not someone I'd payed a lot of attention to before. But the amount of positive vibes about her I get on this forum, and the bits I've heard on youtube, make me very curious.
Only problem is her Beethoven Sonatas cost an arm and a leg.

I've been an Annie Fischer fan for a long time, and her Beethoven 3rd with Fricsay/Bavarian SO is a big reason why (that and its original LP-mate recordings of Mozart's rondos K382 and K386, which are even more beautiful). And although I recommend her sonata cycle on Hungaraton, I'm most fond of her renditions of the lesser played items and not quite so effusive in my praise of her "big name" sonatas as others here: I'm not totally sold on her Appassionata or Waldstein, for instance, although her Pathetique (on either Hungaraton or EMI) almost always elicits my admiration.


Re Moravec 3rd PC -- two points.
First, after having had it for just a couple of days, I can say I'm well hacked off with the sound. I can tolerate piano on MP3, but not orchestra.
And second -- why quirky? I have two other recordings -- Moiseivitch and Gould. I'll compare and contrast and evaluate for quirk value sometime.
Besides -- quirky's good  >:D

I agree. Quirky is--or certainly can be--good. Early on as a classical listener, I was never a big LvB 3rd PC lover, preferring the 4th and 5th, even though I had been exposed to plenty of options--Kempff/Leitner, Richter, Fleisher, Solomon, Gilels/Szell and several others, including Moravec/Neumann when it first came out on Supraphon LP in 1980. Compared to the other pianists, whose approach seemed rather fluid and in rhythmic progression with the orchestra, Moravec played a more staccato style, at least in the first movement, and there seemed to be a syncopation AGAINST the orchestral play, especially in the late 1st movement leading up to the cadenza. Hence my characterization of the performance as "quirky"--especially since Moravec's approach here seemed to run counter to what I'd learned to expect from him in the 4th, where he kept things much more standard in his playing style...or so I interpreted it. When I finally heard Annie Fischer/Fricsay, it seemed to take the straightforward approach of the other pianists and raise it to the highest level, and it became a "best of its kind" for me. However, it should tell you something that--quirky or no--the Moravec 3rd has remained on my collection shelves for about 28 years now, while many other versions have gone bye-bye.
 ;D

Cheers,

Dirk

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 23, 2009, 12:54:01 AM
Dirkronk

Thanks for such a full reply -- I'll order the Fischer and listen to the Moravec again with what you said in mind.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: rubio on February 23, 2009, 04:00:49 AM
Dirkronk

Thanks for such a full reply -- I'll order the Fischer and listen to the Moravec again with what you said in mind.

It's only available in this rare set, I think.

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Beethoven-Vol-Historical-Recordings/dp/B000001GZN/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1235390259&sr=1-2

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415PQABRZKL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 23, 2009, 06:21:23 AM
It's only available in this rare set, I think.

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Beethoven-Vol-Historical-Recordings/dp/B000001GZN/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1235390259&sr=1-2


RIght -- so is this not the same performance?

http://www.crotchet.co.uk/CD0515.html?id=Pd52owd9
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 23, 2009, 07:11:21 AM
RIght -- so is this not the same performance?

http://www.crotchet.co.uk/CD0515.html?id=Pd52owd9

Nope.  :-\
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on February 23, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
It's only available in this rare set, I think.

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Beethoven-Vol-Historical-Recordings/dp/B000001GZN/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1235390259&sr=1-2

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415PQABRZKL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)


Rubio and George are right. The version on Palexa (I have it, as well) is a live version with the same forces, and it's not bad, but it's the one on DGG that you really want to hear. The good news is, if you decide to pop for the multi-disc set, that's a VERY good one to have, with several worthy historical performances: notably the Wolfsthal/Gurlitt violin concerto (one of the really great interps), the Scneiderhan/Kempff "spring" & Kulenkampff/Kempff "kreutzer" sonatas, the Busch 9th, the Kempff/Raabe "emperor"...to say nothing of the rather odd (though welcome) inclusion of Mozart PC#20 with Richter (who uses the Beethoven cadenza...DGG's rationalization for including it in a Beethoven box!).

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on February 23, 2009, 10:39:15 AM
Thank you everyone -- this forum really can work!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on February 23, 2009, 10:40:50 AM
Thank you everyone -- this forum really can work!

Unfortunately that set is now selling for more than the Annie Fischer LvB Sonatas box.  :-\

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on February 23, 2009, 11:36:43 AM
Unfortunately that set is now selling for more than the Annie Fischer LvB Sonatas box.  :-\



Egad, George. You're right. And US folks, watch out for the Amazon-listed dealer in Texas who's advertising the $45 "used" price...read the description and you realize he's selling ONLY CD#3 from the set, not the entire thing! No bargain at all, that.

Those interested, start watching the price lists...we'll keep our fingers crossed that some copies show up at more reasonable rates.

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: AB68 on March 04, 2009, 04:30:37 AM
I think I'll have to go to Paris to hear him in april.
I had tickets to his Edinburgh concert last year, but he had to cancel due to illness. It was a major disapointment.
God knows how many more chances there will be to hear him live, isn't he close to 80?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Novi on March 04, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
I think I'll have to go to Paris to hear him in april.
I had tickets to his Edinburgh concert last year, but he had to cancel due to illness. It was a major disapointment.
God knows how many more chances there will be to hear him live, isn't he close to 80?

You too? It was incredibly disappointing. As much as I like Steven Osborne who stepped in, when you've been looking forward to Moravec's op. 23, Osborne and a handful of Messiaen doesn't quite cut it :-\. I did enjoy his jazzy Waldstein, unconventional though it was.

This was the second time that Moravec's had to cancel here in the past few years. I wonder whether there are some underlying health problems, but as you say, he is getting on.

Hope you (and he) make it to Paris :).
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on March 04, 2009, 04:23:11 PM
Echoing David Hurwitz here: somebody needs to give Ivan Moravec all the fee he demands, put him in a state-of-the-art recording studio for a month with a piano to his specifications and free catering, and let the man play whatever the hell he wants for as long as he wants.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 04, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
Echoing David Hurwitz here: somebody needs to give Ivan Moravec all the fee he demands, put him in a state-of-the-art recording studio for a month with a piano to his specifications and free catering, and let the man play whatever the hell he wants for as long as he wants.

Now your talking!  $:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: AB68 on March 04, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
You too? It was incredibly disappointing. As much as I like Steven Osborne who stepped in, when you've been looking forward to Moravec's op. 23, Osborne and a handful of Messiaen doesn't quite cut it :-\. I did enjoy his jazzy Waldstein, unconventional though it was.




I know what you mean. I think it was great of Osborne to step in on short notice, but I wasn't really able to enjoy the concert.
And the day after the Dresden Staatskapelle  cancelled too. I didn't feel it was a lucky week for me  :D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on March 04, 2009, 05:11:20 PM
Echoing David Hurwitz here: somebody needs to give Ivan Moravec all the fee he demands, put him in a state-of-the-art recording studio for a month with a piano to his specifications and free catering, and let the man play whatever the hell he wants for as long as he wants.

I like the way you think, Brian. Now if we can only find that musically inclined entrepreneur...
 ;D

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on March 04, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
I like the way you think, Brian. Now if we can only find that musically inclined entrepreneur...
 ;D

Dirk
Harry comes to mind  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 05, 2009, 03:42:16 AM
I think I'll have to go to Paris to hear him in april.
I had tickets to his Edinburgh concert last year, but he had to cancel due to illness. It was a major disapointment.
God knows how many more chances there will be to hear him live, isn't he close to 80?

Indeed he is. He will be 79 this November 9th.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on March 05, 2009, 12:11:29 PM
I finally got to hear his very much touted Appassionata last night. Yes this is an excellent version of this work but for me it does not outshine any of the 4 that Richter recorded around 1960, Gilels' 1961 on Brilliant or the devilishly whirlwind Rubinstein of 1945.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 05, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
I finally got to hear his very much touted Appassionata last night. Yes this is an excellent version of this work but for me it does not outshine any of the 4 that Richter recorded around 1960, Gilels' 1961 on Brilliant or the devilishly whirlwind Rubinstein of 1945.

Agreed. Though I have yet to hear the Rubinstein 1945 version.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Herman on March 05, 2009, 01:23:42 PM
I think I'll have to go to Paris to hear him in april.
I had tickets to his Edinburgh concert last year, but he had to cancel due to illness. It was a major disapointment.
God knows how many more chances there will be to hear him live, isn't he close to 80?

I would not recommend travelling serious distances for a Moravec recital.

In his case there's always a big cancellation risk.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: purephase on March 10, 2009, 03:55:34 AM
Someone uploaded Moravec's Appassionata onto Youtube a couple of days ago.  I know it's a far from ideal format, but I enjoyed hearing it since I haven't been able to track down a copy.

1.  Allegro assai
http://www.youtube.com/v/aIs-y5Is0mg


2.  Andante con moto
http://www.youtube.com/v/wbTAfMRw-7o

3.  Allegro ma non troppo
http://www.youtube.com/v/w0KuVh1Fc3w
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2009, 08:34:05 AM
Wanted to follow up on this from another thread:

The review says that Moravec recorded the preludes twice, but I have only seen one recording from Moravec. Even his website only lists one.  :-\

Moravec's first recording of the preludes comes from the '60s, last seen on VAI.

Look here (http://www.amazon.com/Ivan-Moravec-Plays-Chopin-Frederic/dp/B000003LJB/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1236960448&sr=1-9), note Gerber's review midway down.



Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 13, 2009, 09:39:49 AM
Wanted to follow up on this from another thread:

Moravec's first recording of the preludes comes from the '60s, last seen on VAI.

Look here (http://www.amazon.com/Ivan-Moravec-Plays-Chopin-Frederic/dp/B000003LJB/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1236960448&sr=1-9), note Gerber's review midway down.

Thanks very much buddy!   
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2009, 10:08:11 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 13, 2009, 10:16:09 AM
:)

I like that Gerber prefers the one that I already have. The one that doesn't cost $50.  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Gabriel on April 08, 2009, 01:45:45 PM
I'm just arriving from Moravec's concert at the Théâtre des Champs Élysées. I was very impressed by the beauty of his tone and by his very clear playing. My biggest concern was that I felt that he was - how to explain it - trying to hold the music as if it would be a horse that could go out of control; it was not a technical problem, for I saw him at ease with difficult passages, so it was his personal approach to the works. (I guess I am writing under the impression of the outer movements of the Appassionata: his reflexive, intellectual approach was something really remarkable, considering that it is a work most suitable for volcanic musical outbursts).

His best moments, in my opinion, were the slow movement of the Appassionata, the two Chopin Ballades (1 and 4)... and one of the bis, the Finale to Haydn's sonata Hob. XVI:37 (this one, really delightfully played).

In spite of some heavy coughing by the audience (during Schumann's Kinderszenen it was particularly annoying), a splendid musical evening by monsieur Moravec.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on April 08, 2009, 01:56:13 PM
Wow, two Ballades, the Appassionata and Kinderszenen!! Incredible playlist, especially for a Moravec concert. 
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Gabriel on April 08, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
Wow, two Ballades, the Appassionata and Kinderszenen!! Incredible playlist, especially for a Moravec concert. 

An add to that Debussy's Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air and Children's corner. And, also as a bis, Chopin's op. 28/7.  ;)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on April 08, 2009, 02:12:25 PM
An add to that Debussy's Les sons et les parfums tournent dans l'air and Children's corner. And, also as a bis, Chopin's op. 28/7.  ;)

Just when I had wiped the drool from my keyboard.... :-\

 ;)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on April 08, 2009, 02:15:45 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Gabriel on April 08, 2009, 02:24:10 PM
Just when I had wiped the drool from my keyboard.... :-\

 ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on April 08, 2009, 10:29:59 PM
. (I guess I am writing under the impression of the outer movements of the Appassionata: his reflexive, intellectual approach was something really remarkable, considering that it is a work most suitable for volcanic musical outbursts).


I have a very high opinion of his Appasionata recording precisely because of that restraint. I like it. There are different ways of responding to the work, equally valid and pleasurable. And not everyone responds like Richer or Levy.


His best moments, in my opinion, . . . the Finale to Haydn's sonata Hob. XVI:37 (this one, really delightfully played).




There's a record where he plays that whole sonata very well -- one of the best interpretations of it I have ever heard.

I can imagine the Schumann could have been good -- his light and reflective approach would suit a lot of Kinderszenen I guess -- but the fact that you don't say much about it makes me think it wasn't a high point of the concert.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Gabriel on April 08, 2009, 11:47:35 PM
I can imagine the Schumann could have been good -- his light and reflective approach would suit a lot of Kinderszenen I guess -- but the fact that you don't say much about it makes me think it wasn't a high point of the concert.

I had the impression that he was warming up, as it was the first work to be performed, but it was played with utmost delicacy and sense of equilibrium.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on May 05, 2009, 06:27:15 AM
Ivan Moravec plays 4th Ballade. Théatre des Champs-Elysées. Paris. 2009
http://www.mediafire.com/?oyydomq2jqw  :)

Thanks!  :D

and welcome!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on October 26, 2009, 11:35:22 PM
Has anyone heard the new live CD -- this one?

If so -- how is it?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on October 27, 2009, 04:59:29 AM
Has anyone heard the new live CD -- this one?

If so -- how is it?

I've got it!

I've only listened to the Chopin playing (two nocturnes, two mazurkas, Scherzo No 1), but it's as wonderful as you would expect. I believe the recital actually dates back to sometime around 1983, but this is its first (?) appearance on CD.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 27, 2009, 06:33:09 AM
I've got it!

I've only listened to the Chopin playing (two nocturnes, two mazurkas, Scherzo No 1), but it's as wonderful as you would expect. I believe the recital actually dates back to sometime around 1983, but this is its first (?) appearance on CD.

Thanks for the report, Brian. Any new repertoire on that CD that hasn't appeared before on CD by Moravec?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on October 27, 2009, 06:53:43 AM
I hope all the Moravec freaks around here know his recording of The Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue. Gentle, lyrical, confidential recording -- the perfect antedote to Weissnberg.

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on October 27, 2009, 08:11:29 AM
Thanks for the report, Brian. Any new repertoire on that CD that hasn't appeared before on CD by Moravec?

Here's the contents of the new CD:
Beethoven Sonata Op. 28 "Pastoral"
Brahms Pieces Op. 118, Nos. 1 and 2
Brahms Capriccio in B minor from Op. 76
Brahms Rhapsody No. 2 in G minor, Op. 79
Chopin Nocturnes 32/1 and 27/1
Chopin Mazurkas 17/4 and 50/3
Chopin Scherzo No. 1

Looking at IvanMoravec.net, this is the third release of a Moravec Chopin Scherzo No. 1, the second Beethoven "Pastoral" (the first was on Connoisseur Society in the '60s), the second recording of all but one of the Brahms pieces, and the only Moravec recording ever released of the Brahms Op. 118 No. 1.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 27, 2009, 09:02:13 AM
Here's the contents of the new CD:
.... the only Moravec recording ever released of the Brahms Op. 118 No. 1.

Thanks, you just saved me some dough.  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on October 27, 2009, 05:57:17 PM
Here is what is on that sealed 4 lp set (Classics Record Library Book-of-the-Month Club SRL 1194, 1969), I just picked up two weekends ago, George and others:

Beethoven: Sonata No. 23 in F minor, Op. 57 Appassionata
1962 Manhattan Towers, New York session

Beethoven: 32 Variations on an Original Theme in C minor
1963 Rudolfinum, Prague session

Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major, Op. 58
Vienna Symphony Orchestra, Martin Turnovsky, conductor
1963 Musikverein, Vienna session

Beethoven: Sonata No. 14 in C# minor, Op. 27, No. 2 Moonlight
Beethoven: Sonata No. 8 in C minor, Op. 13, Pathetique
Beethoven: Sonata No. 27 in E minor, Op. 90
Beethoven: Bagatelle in a minor, G. 173 Für Elise
1964 Manhattan Towers Hotel, New York session

Beethoven: Sonata No. 26 in E-flat major, Op. 81a Les Adieux, l'Absence et le Retour
Beethoven: Sonata in D major, Op. 28 Pastoral
Beethoven: Bagatelle in A major, Op. 33 No. 4
1969 Columbia University Chapel, NY and Italy sessions

It is not all of his Beethoven, but a very large percentage.  His sound on vinyl, like Richter, is absolutely mesmerizing for me.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on October 27, 2009, 06:02:20 PM
FWIW, and this may already be posted here, here is the site I refer to for his discography:

http://www.ivanmoravec.net/discography/discography.html

My goal is to have all his vinyl in decent shape.  I also need to email these folks and let them know that one of the lp numbers is missing a digit as I am holding it in my hand as I type.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on October 27, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Ah, here is a pic of my $10 find:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Beethoven-by-Ivan-Moravec-pianist-Concerto-4-in-G-Major_W0QQitemZ140354825216QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item20adccac00
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 27, 2009, 06:27:42 PM


It is not all of his Beethoven, but a very large percentage.  His sound on vinyl, like Richter, is absolutely mesmerizing for me.


Glad you are enjoying it, Bill. He has a lovely tone for sure. I bet the warmth of the vinyl coupled with his gorgeous tone make for some delicious listening. His Pathetique is the absolutely the best of over two dozen versions that I have heard. 
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on October 28, 2009, 12:53:32 AM
Here is what is on that sealed 4 lp set (Classics Record Library Book-of-the-Month Club SRL 1194, 1969), I just picked up two weekends ago, George and others:

Beethoven: Sonata No. 23 in F minor, Op. 57 Appassionata
1962 Manhattan Towers, New York session

Beethoven: 32 Variations on an Original Theme in C minor
1963 Rudolfinum, Prague session

Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major, Op. 58
Vienna Symphony Orchestra, Martin Turnovsky, conductor
1963 Musikverein, Vienna session

Beethoven: Sonata No. 14 in C# minor, Op. 27, No. 2 Moonlight
Beethoven: Sonata No. 8 in C minor, Op. 13, Pathetique
Beethoven: Sonata No. 27 in E minor, Op. 90
Beethoven: Bagatelle in a minor, G. 173 Für Elise
1964 Manhattan Towers Hotel, New York session

Beethoven: Sonata No. 26 in E-flat major, Op. 81a Les Adieux, l'Absence et le Retour
Beethoven: Sonata in D major, Op. 28 Pastoral
Beethoven: Bagatelle in A major, Op. 33 No. 4
1969 Columbia University Chapel, NY and Italy sessions

It is not all of his Beethoven, but a very large percentage.  His sound on vinyl, like Richter, is absolutely mesmerizing for me.


I have a lot of this



Beethoven: 32 Variations on an Original Theme in C minor
1963 Rudolfinum, Prague session

Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major, Op. 58
Vienna Symphony Orchestra, Martin Turnovsky, conductor
1963 Musikverein, Vienna session

Beethoven: Sonata No. 14 in C# minor, Op. 27, No. 2 Moonlight
Beethoven: Sonata No. 8 in C minor, Op. 13, Pathetique
Beethoven: Sonata No. 27 in E minor, Op. 90


Beethoven: Sonata No. 26 in E-flat major, Op. 81a Les Adieux, l'Absence et le Retour.

The Op 13 is excellent and I only prefer Richter's Moscow 1960 version better. Op 90 is peerless IMO and the G major PC is only marginally shaded by the Gilels/Ludwig on Testament.

I've also heard the Appassionata (not sure which one) but have half a dozen recordings that I believe surpass it - three of them by Richter, plus Gilels and Rubinstein.

I'd really like to hear Moravec play the Pastoral Op 28. I have two top notch versions by Gilels and Sokolov which would be very hard to beat but I'm always open to a new recording of one of my favourite piano sonatas (both playing and listening)


Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on October 28, 2009, 01:12:54 AM
Agreed =-- if the recording is cheap it may be worth getting for the Pastoral.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on November 09, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
Here's a rare treat, Ivan Moravec playing the Grieg concerto with the Philadelphia Orchestra, conducted by Christopher Keene, in a live broadcast:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mea5zjyimzt
 
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?knnu3tdfjwy
 
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?cz1zmtgznyy
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on November 09, 2009, 10:32:22 PM
FWIW, and this may already be posted here, here is the site I refer to for his discography:

http://www.ivanmoravec.net/discography/discography.html

My goal is to have all his vinyl in decent shape.

Do you have his Janacek -- Overgrown Path?

If so and you're interested in making a fee for a digital transfer -- PM me!

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on November 10, 2009, 06:38:52 AM
Here's a rare treat, Ivan Moravec playing the Grieg concerto with the Philadelphia Orchestra, conducted by Christopher Keene, in a live broadcast:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mea5zjyimzt
 
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?knnu3tdfjwy
 
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?cz1zmtgznyy

 :o

You are a superhero.  8)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on November 10, 2009, 07:07:29 AM
:o

You are a superhero.  8)

Brian,  How are these FLAC downloads?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on November 10, 2009, 07:27:46 AM
:o

You are a superhero.  8)

 0:)

I don't think he ever recorded that work, so I thought I'd post it here.

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on November 10, 2009, 07:29:12 AM
Do you have his Janacek -- Overgrown Path?

If so and you're interested in making a fee for a digital transfer -- PM me!



How sweet it would be if Bill learns how to make needledrops of his vinyl.  :) 
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on November 10, 2009, 07:30:46 AM
0:)

I don't think he ever recorded that work, so I thought I'd post it here.



Morning George.  I am enjoying my second day of my staycation.  I believe I need to download some shareware before I can play FLAC on my computer.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on November 10, 2009, 12:05:52 PM
Morning George.  I am enjoying my second day of my staycation.  I believe I need to download some shareware before I can play FLAC on my computer.

FLAC has to be converted to WAV before it can be played on anything. If you Google FLAC, you'll find tons of freeware that does this.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on November 10, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
How sweet it would be if Bill learns how to make needledrops of his vinyl.  :)

Let's travel over to Colorado and teach him.  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Opus106 on November 10, 2009, 12:34:14 PM
FLAC has to be converted to WAV before it can be played on anything.

No, that's not necessary. :) Windows has players which can play FLAC without problem. [Link (http://flac.sourceforge.net/documentation_tasks.html#windows)]
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on November 10, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
Let's travel over to Colorado and teach him.  :)

Road Trip!!!!  >:D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brewski on November 10, 2009, 12:40:22 PM
I have been using VLC Media Player, a free download here (http://www.videolan.org/), and so far it seems to play everything.  I even borrowed a DVD coded "Region 2" from a friend, and VLC played that just fine, too.

--Bruce
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on November 10, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Let's travel over to Colorado and teach him.  :)

Yeah, get out those snow boots ...     ;D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on November 10, 2009, 01:31:19 PM
No, that's not necessary. :) Windows has players which can play FLAC without problem. [Link (http://flac.sourceforge.net/documentation_tasks.html#windows)]

Thanks opus106.  I bookmarked your link and will give it a try ...
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on November 10, 2009, 06:59:55 PM
Let's travel over to Colorado and teach him.  :)
Based on yours and George's avatar, I would stick to "today's number". ;D
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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on January 07, 2010, 02:14:42 AM
Moravec plays Mozart K333, 570, 475, 457 (Supraphon)


The overall spirit of this CD is Mozart seen through a romantic lens.

This disc is a bit complicated because it comes from three different sources and two different epochs.

The K333 is from 1982 while all the rest are from the 60s. And what a difference! Not just in the sound quality – the 60s recordings are dry, the 80s one wet. But also in quality – the 60s performances seemed very special indeed. But I have learned that with Moravec I need to start  paying attention to the time period of the recording – early is not the same as later in terms of inspiration, I think.

In K570 I don’t think Moravec finds quite the candour and spontaneity of Gilels in  the 50s (on Testament), but I can imagine that some people would find Gilels’s expansive lyricism annoying , and they may well prefer the relative thrust of Moravec. To give you an idea, Gilels  is sad in the second subject of the adagio –Moravec defiant, almost aggressive.

Nobody comes close to Gould in K475. That is my considered and unalterable opinion. But still Moravec is pretty damn good.

I think K457 is the most interesting performance on the disc. Some  recordings I have heard rush and bang too much in this piece -- you know, in an attempt to bring excitement to the opening movement they use too much force, to much forward drive. Moravec avoids that. He glitters. He sings. On pianoforte, the only performance which rivals it IMO is Arrau’s live one on Orfeo.

Of course, on fortepiano the story would be very different: I'm not sure whether it's fair to even bring fortepiano into the picture. Suffice it to say that Newman and Lubimov and Bezuidenhout and Hakkila have very interesting things to say in these pieces.

This is a good CD. Moravec makes romantic Mozart quite convincing on his big grand piano. My only niggle -- no humour. I miss the cheeky, mischievous wit of Anthony Newman.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on March 01, 2010, 02:26:17 AM
Some kind soul has been transfering Moravec playing Chopin from LP's and been putting them up on Demonoid over the past week. Haven't had a proper listen yet, but there's some Mazurka recordings that were previously not available AFAIK.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 01, 2010, 04:05:38 AM
Some kind soul has been transfering Moravec playing Chopin from LP's and been putting them up on Demonoid over the past week. Haven't had a proper listen yet, but there's some Mazurka recordings that were previously not available AFAIK.

Do you know which torrent contains the unreleased Mazurkas?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on March 01, 2010, 04:25:18 AM
Do you know which torrent contains the unreleased Mazurkas?

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2148266/4651332/

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2146199/6976998/

The same guy has also put torrents up for Moravec's Nocturnes, Preludes and Ballades
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 01, 2010, 05:49:43 AM
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2148266/4651332/

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2146199/6976998/

The same guy has also put torrents up for Moravec's Nocturnes, Preludes and Ballades

I wonder if those were among the stuff released on those rare VAI CDs. I will check later. Thanks!

The LP rip he did is simply the VOX CD with Debussy and Chopin. 
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on March 01, 2010, 06:24:19 AM
I wonder if those were among the stuff released on those rare VAI CDs. I will check later. Thanks!

The LP rip he did is simply the VOX CD with Debussy and Chopin.

Quite a handy discography here:

http://www.ivanmoravec.net/discography/discography.html

Will have to check my computer when I get home and see what I have downloaded, but I think the Preludes are a different recording to what I have.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Drasko on March 01, 2010, 06:46:32 AM
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2148266/4651332/

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2146199/6976998/

None of this is previously unreleased anymore. Digital one is Vox and that other LP has been recently released on Japanese Decca:

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3675760
http://www.amazon.de/Moravec-Plays-Chopin-Ivan/dp/B002OIH7RU

I did some checking when that come out and those are 1969 Prague recordings:

http://www.ivanmoravec.net/discography/discography.html#pr1969

Which then would mean that Barcarolle is same as on Supraphon, Etude and Scherzo appeared on VAI, some of the Mazurkas on his Philips Great Pianists volume. That leaves three mazurkas as previously unreleased op. 7/2, 17/4 and 24/2 (previous to Japanese Decca).

Moravec recorded pretty much same bunch of Mazurkas four years earlier in Vienna (according to Supraphon) and those are on Supraphon CD with Ballades, but VAI who released some of those gives 1969 as recording date for Mazurkas, so there is possibility these are actually the same as on Supraphon. Could anyone downloading this torrent check these three mazurkas against ones on Supraphon?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 01, 2010, 06:33:52 PM

That leaves three mazurkas as previously unreleased op. 7/2, 17/4 and 24/2 (previous to Japanese Decca).


These were recorded from 1966 to 1969 and were released on CD - VAIA 1092.  (http://www.amazon.com/Ivan-Moravec-Plays-Chopin-Vol-2/dp/B000003LKL/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/a6/4c/c46f820dd7a0c6364e3ad010.L._AA240_.jpg)

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 01, 2010, 06:39:42 PM
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2148266/4651332/

The first one was released on CD as this: (http://www.amazon.com/Ivan-Moravec-Plays-Debussy-Chopin/dp/B000001K47/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267497293&sr=1-1)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41E20PKKNVL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)


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http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2146199/6976998/

This one was released across two CD releases. This one:  (http://www.amazon.com/Ivan-Moravec-Plays-Chopin-Frederic/dp/B000003LJB/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267497457&sr=1-4)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/2115BF4P1ML._SL500_AA130_.jpg)

and the other VAI one I just posted above:

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/a6/4c/c46f820dd7a0c6364e3ad010.L._AA240_.jpg)




 
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 01, 2010, 06:41:04 PM
Will have to check my computer when I get home and see what I have downloaded, but I think the Preludes are a different recording to what I have.

The VAI preludes were recorded in 1965 and are better than the ones that he recorded later on Supraphon.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on March 02, 2010, 01:28:22 AM
Great work, George, most informative.

Thanks
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 02, 2010, 03:50:02 AM
Great work, George, most informative.

Thanks

You're very welcome, my friend!  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on March 02, 2010, 04:26:17 AM
You're very welcome, my friend!  :)

And, Drasko as well of course. Thanks to you both! Currently listening to the 1965 Preludes recording - only previously owned the later recording.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 02, 2010, 05:43:39 AM
And, Drasko as well of course. Thanks to you both! Currently listening to the 1965 Preludes recording - only previously owned the later recording.

Let me know what you think of it!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on March 02, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
So, what is available only on lp?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 02, 2010, 09:20:40 PM
So, what is available only on lp?

As far as only LP I can think of only one - this rare Janacek recital:


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Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on March 02, 2010, 09:26:12 PM
As far as only LP I can think of only one - this rare Janacek recital:


(http://images01.olx.com/ui/3/81/70/f_49268170-382d14c0.jpeg)

Ah.  Nice!  Are all of his Debussy performances on cd now?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 02, 2010, 09:42:35 PM
Ah.  Nice!  Are all of his Debussy performances on cd now?

I believe so, yes. There's a two-fer from VAI (OOP), another two-fer from Vox, a disc of Supraphon odds and ends, and a single piece on a Praga disc.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Luke on March 04, 2010, 01:45:31 AM
This disc of Suk, Smetana and Korte gets quite a bit of playtime round my place, for the Suk above all*

(http://www.ivanmoravec.net/images/al-su3509.jpg)

*his 'About Mother', a set of miniatures as exquisitely delicate and personal as Janacek's Overgrown Path, and, as a memorial to his wife, acting as a kind of small-scale, family-album reflection of the monumental Asrael Symphony. A wonderful work, a masterpiece of late Romantic piano music, and Moravec is just perfect in it - Hurwitz's opinion, FWIW: 'This Supraphon reissue conflates a live recital with the pianist's magnificent early 60s reading of Suk's suite About Mother ... one of the most touching pieces of music ever written, and Moravec understands the value of understatement, finding a thousand subtle colors in the work's elegiac lyricism. ...'
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on March 06, 2010, 09:46:15 AM
The VAI preludes were recorded in 1965 and are better than the ones that he recorded later on Supraphon.

Agreed. It is a really nice performance, very nuanced but at all self conscious. Lovely touch, sublime textures.

I don't think he's a top rank Chopinist though -- even though I like this recording.

He's just too calm, too sane, too light, too smooth, not neurotic enough. He can't compete IMO with Cortot or Arrau or even Moiseiewitch for insight.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: aquablob on March 07, 2010, 01:39:39 PM
Hmm... I can't decide which recording of the Preludes I prefer, Moravec's first or second. Having heard both multiple times, it's still kind of a toss-up for me!

(And I DEFINITELY think that Moravec is a top rank Chopinist... although the others Mandryka named are also top rank Chopinists!)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Peregrine on March 10, 2010, 12:18:18 PM
(http://www.ivanmoravec.net/images/al-su3509.jpg)

This arrived in the post today, what a beautiful disc. Thanks very much for the rec, Luke

 :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 10, 2010, 12:30:01 PM
This arrived in the post today, what a beautiful disc. Thanks very much for the rec, Luke

 :)

Cool. Still waiting on mine.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 20, 2010, 07:12:25 AM
Do you have Moravec's Janacek -- Overgrown Path?

If so and you're interested in making a fee for a digital transfer -- PM me!

I just got this (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166e26b141119a8bc9456771823e9c202da) today.  0:)

It's someone else's transfer, but it sounds nice!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2010, 07:35:30 AM
I just got this (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166e26b141119a8bc9456771823e9c202da) today.  0:)

It's someone else's transfer, but it sounds nice!

Damn, that's an amazing recording.

[EDIT] I get errors when trying to play In a Mist. I demand a new upload plz.  :(
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on March 20, 2010, 09:29:43 AM
I just got this (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45732805cf458166e26b141119a8bc9456771823e9c202da) today.  0:)

It's someone else's transfer, but it sounds nice!

Just for George
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 20, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
[EDIT] I get errors when trying to play In a Mist. I demand a new upload plz.  :(

What kind of errors? I will re-upload if other people have problems with it too.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Drasko on March 21, 2010, 01:15:06 PM
What kind of errors? I will re-upload if other people have problems with it too.

I'm also getting error trying to play In the Mists, says ERROR_FRAME_CRC_MISMATCH whatever that means.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 21, 2010, 01:17:00 PM
I'm also getting error trying to play In the Mists, says ERROR_FRAME_CRC_MISMATCH whatever that means.

OK, I will upload it again.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 21, 2010, 01:55:45 PM
OK, I will upload it again.

It's completed and in the same folder as before. Hopefully this remedies the problem.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Drasko on March 22, 2010, 12:26:40 PM
It's completed and in the same folder as before. Hopefully this remedies the problem.
Works fine now, thanks.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 22, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
Works fine now, thanks.

Great! My pleasure.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Ahasver on April 18, 2010, 02:53:17 AM
Some Moravec´s live recordings from recent years:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ahasver2009
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on April 19, 2010, 05:36:26 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61LOfMREEFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Playing the Preludes from this 4lp set tonight.  Absolutely gorgeous in all facets.  If you a "vinyl capable", spend the $12-15 to snag this set on Ebay.  You will not be sorry.  Heck, it may be worth your money buying a turntable just to play this. ;D
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on April 20, 2010, 05:16:22 AM
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Playing the Preludes from this 4lp set tonight.  Absolutely gorgeous in all facets.  If you a "vinyl capable", spend the $12-15 to snag this set on Ebay.  You will not be sorry.  Heck, it may be worth your money buying a turntable just to play this. ;D

The Beethoven set from the same source is equally fine. BTW, look in thrift stores and used book & record stores, as well. These sets were quite common at one time, since they were used as come-ons for a Book-of-the-Month Club offshoot via magazine ads. Consequently, like Time-Life sets and others, they appear often enough to be VERY cheap in non-internet venues. Obviously, check surfaces carefully, and while stereo is common and generally to be preferred, don't turn up your nose at mono sets...sonics are pretty darn good on those, too. Here in south Texas, the sets show up for $3 to $5 on a regular basis, occasionally higher. Don't get me wrong, though, Bogey. I definitely think you got your money's worth, especially if your copy's surfaces are good...but whatever you're likely to pay, the Moravec sets are undoubtedly one of the biggest (largely unsung or at least unrecognized) bargains out on the used market.

Cheers,

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on April 20, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
The Beethoven set from the same source is equally fine. BTW, look in thrift stores and used book & record stores, as well. These sets were quite common at one time, since they were used as come-ons for a Book-of-the-Month Club offshoot via magazine ads. Consequently, like Time-Life sets and others, they appear often enough to be VERY cheap in non-internet venues. Obviously, check surfaces carefully, and while stereo is common and generally to be preferred, don't turn up your nose at mono sets...sonics are pretty darn good on those, too. Here in south Texas, the sets show up for $3 to $5 on a regular basis, occasionally higher. Don't get me wrong, though, Bogey. I definitely think you got your money's worth, especially if your copy's surfaces are good...but whatever you're likely to pay, the Moravec sets are undoubtedly one of the biggest (largely unsung or at least unrecognized) bargains out on the used market.

Cheers,

Dirk

Thanks!  I have the LvB set sealed and waiting for a special occasion to unwrap it.  I was VERY surprised to see actual Connoisseur Society albums in the set.  I thought that they would be a different pressing.  Maybe they came later, but the vinyl is shiny and thick.   I will keep an eye out for the mono set, as that is a preference in most cases for me.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on April 20, 2010, 05:36:39 PM
Thanks!  I have the LvB set sealed and waiting for a special occasion to unwrap it.  I was VERY surprised to see actual Connoisseur Society albums in the set.  I thought that they would be a different pressing.  Maybe they came later, but the vinyl is shiny and thick.   I will keep an eye out for the mono set, as that is a preference in most cases for me.

Wow, that IS interesting. When you say "actual Connoisseur Society albums" do you mean they're labeled with that name as the primary ID, probably at 12 o'clock on the label? Or with the name smaller and relegated to a position at 6 o'clock (that's how the ones are in my main sets...I do have other boxes in storage)? Just curious. I checked the runout grooves on my Chopin set (Classics Record Library) and on a couple of single Connoisseur Society albums. The stampers are both marked "Sterling" so they came from the same well-known pressing house, but the CRL set's albums were dated in the vinyl from 1970...stampers made at least four years after initial release of the box set (1966). My guess is that the earlier produced sets may have had stampers from the actual Connoisseur run, and in that case, if vinyl was good quality, you may have a little gem on your hands.

Of course, if they sound good to you, they're already gems. Just sayin'...

Dirk

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on April 20, 2010, 05:41:37 PM
Wow, that IS interesting. When you say "actual Connoisseur Society albums" do you mean they're labeled with that name as the primary ID, probably at 12 o'clock on the label? Or with the name smaller and relegated to a position at 6 o'clock (that's how the ones are in my main sets...I do have other boxes in storage)? Just curious. I checked the runout grooves on my Chopin set (Classics Record Library) and on a couple of single Connoisseur Society albums. The stampers are both marked "Sterling" so they came from the same well-known pressing house, but the CRL set's albums were dated in the vinyl from 1970...stampers made at least four years after initial release of the box set (1966). My guess is that the earlier produced sets may have had stampers from the actual Connoisseur run, and in that case, if vinyl was good quality, you may have a little gem on your hands.

Of course, if they sound good to you, they're already gems. Just sayin'...

Dirk

No.  Outstanding memory on your part.  They are at the 6 o'clock position, unlike the Debussy album I have from him which is larger and at 12.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on April 20, 2010, 05:54:48 PM
No.  Outstanding memory on your part.  They are at the 6 o'clock position, unlike the Debussy album I have from him which is larger and at 12.

Still, check your runout groove areas when you get a chance and see if you see a date (like: 12-9-70) hand scrawled in the vinyl. Also check the disc number, which SHOULD coincide with the set number UNLESS they used the Connoisseur original stampers. (Can you tell you've got me really curious?)
 ;D

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on April 20, 2010, 06:06:55 PM
Still, check your runout groove areas when you get a chance and see if you see a date (like: 12-9-70) hand scrawled in the vinyl. Also check the disc number, which SHOULD coincide with the set number UNLESS they used the Connoisseur original stampers. (Can you tell you've got me really curious?)
 ;D

Dirk

Here it is for side 1:

SRL 7664 on the label.


Scrawling:

CS 1266A                SRL 7664          ST1               SIDE 1
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 10, 2010, 09:25:24 PM
Spent a little time today comparing transfers from the two Moravec releases below.

The VAI (first image) is a double-disc set from 1993 containing everything from the single disc Supraphon release from 2001 (second image). So there's much overlap. The value in the VAI lies in the roughly 30 minutes' worth of material (Debussy) as yet not re-released anywhere else (why?).

After not really giving it much thought I thought it might be fun to see just what Supraphon might have been up to transfer-wise since their's was the newer release and VAI perhaps hadn't the transfer muscle of a "major" player like Supraphon (who in general knows its stuff, unlike some other "majors").

But to my surprise the VAI is clearer, cleaner, deeper, and firmer, with a warm spread that nicely captures Moravec's big, pearly tone in all its glory. The Supraphon by comparison is on the one-dimensional side, sort of flat-ish, and not as warm. The difference is enough to get me to wondering...did the masters degrade in the eight years between transfers? Could be, as these were originally recorded in the 60s. In which case, can't blame Supraphon. If it's something else, well, I don't really know for certain and probably shouldn't speculate. 

This wouldn't matter to me so much if it were perhaps any other pianist (save Richter) but Moravec's deeply rich, pearly tone is paramount to his conception of a piece and to have it slighted leaves me cool. I'm glad the VAI came along but I can only hope something better is in store in the future (will VAI give it another go down the road?).

(As an aside, this also raises the question of the quality of transfers on the Chopin Ballads disc. Again there are competing reissues on both VAI and Supraphon. I have the VAI and it's impressively rich and full. I haven't heard the Supraphon.)   

Anyway, no real ground-breaking news here but if ever the chance comes up to grab the VAI it's definitely worth the coin, and not just for the missing Debussy items.


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/217WY8M518L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41o6Uxx-PzL._SS400_.jpg)

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on June 11, 2010, 02:12:07 AM
Yeah, Don, in the cases where I compared the same performances from VAI and Supraphon (Beethoven and Chopin CDs), the VAI sounded a bit better every time. It's likely a new mastering, which could be another factor in the difference between them.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 11, 2010, 07:12:57 AM
Yeah, Don, in the cases where I compared the same performances from VAI and Supraphon (Beethoven and Chopin CDs), the VAI sounded a bit better every time. It's likely a new mastering, which could be another factor in the difference between them.

Yeah, transfers will differ from label to label but I was surprised at how much better the older transfer (VAI) sounded! It could be that VAI had first-generation masters to work with while Supraphon perhaps had to settle for something less (second- or third-generation masters). Or the tapes degraded in the eight years between transfers.

Or maybe something else was at work, like different transfer philosophies or some such. But I can't imagine why anyone would want anything different than VAI. ???   

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on June 13, 2010, 06:37:26 AM
I'm rather dissappointed with Moravec's colourful and rather dreamy  Overgrown Path , and I would still choose Palenicek's rather sharper, more chiseled account as my favourite in this.

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on August 30, 2010, 02:42:48 PM
The value in the VAI lies in the roughly 30 minutes' worth of material (Debussy) as yet not re-released anywhere else (why?).

Very good question.
Quote
After not really giving it much thought I thought it might be fun to see just what Supraphon might have been up to transfer-wise since their's was the newer release and VAI perhaps hadn't the transfer muscle of a "major" player like Supraphon (who in general knows its stuff, unlike some other "majors").

But to my surprise the VAI is clearer, cleaner, deeper, and firmer, with a warm spread that nicely captures Moravec's big, pearly tone in all its glory. The Supraphon by comparison is on the one-dimensional side, sort of flat-ish, and not as warm.


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/217WY8M518L.jpg)


Yes indeed, the VAI (like all the other Moravec VAIs that I have heard) sounds lovely. A good friend got a copy found me a copy recently (thanks!!!) and I am thoroughly enjoying it right now. I'm in heaven. Not the Bryan Adams kind either, this is the real thing.  0:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 12, 2010, 06:36:00 PM
Yes indeed, the VAI (like all the other Moravec VAIs that I have heard) sounds lovely.

Y'know, one thing I can't understand is why the Connoisseur Society doesn't re-release these recordings. They RECORDED them! And obviously the label is still around. I can only imagine that the sound would be optimal from them.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on September 13, 2010, 04:07:25 AM
Y'know, one thing I can't understand is why the Connoisseur Society doesn't re-release these recordings. They RECORDED them! And obviously the label is still around. I can only imagine that the sound would be optimal from them.

Good question. Just as a guess...maybe they don't want to pull any CD sales away from the current stable of artists (David Allen Wehr for Beethoven, et al). On the other hand, they HAVE re-released the 1964 Martins WTC, some Wilkomirska, Barbosa and others from their old LP-vintage catalog.

That still doesn't answer the Moravec question, of course. Darn. It WOULD be nice for those original E. Alan Silver productions to be reissued on the original label. Few people have ever equaled, let alone surpassed, that guy in recording piano.

Oh...and while at their website: I also noticed that they have a Babayan CD listed that I've somehow managed to overlook before now (how the heck did THAT happen?), so will probably be ordering soon.

Also, has anyone here heard the above-mentioned David Allen Wehr...or any of the other crop of pianists on Connoisseur? And if so, what's the verdict?

Cheers,

Dirk

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 13, 2010, 04:23:34 AM
Y'know, one thing I can't understand is why the Connoisseur Society doesn't re-release these recordings. They RECORDED them! And obviously the label is still around. I can only imagine that the sound would be optimal from them.

Assuming that they weren't tempted to use Noise Reduction, yes, that would be nice.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Drasko on September 13, 2010, 05:27:42 AM
Oh...and while at their website: I also noticed that they have a Babayan CD listed that I've somehow managed to overlook before now (how the heck did THAT happen?), so will probably be ordering soon.

But do they actually have it? It is listed on their website but their ebay store doesn't have it, neither does cduniverse, arkivmusic says backorder and amazon lists only marketplace copies for silly prices. Same goes for the CD that I'm most curious about: Barbosa's Dante Sonata and Schubert/Liszt songs.
Barbosa's Debussy/Milhaud discs seems readily available. Has anyone heard it? If it is even nearly as good as his Chopin Scherzi (now why is that not released on CD?) I'd get it.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on September 13, 2010, 09:12:02 AM
If it is even nearly as good as his Chopin Scherzi (now why is that not released on CD?) I'd get it.

The transfers on youtube make it clear that his secherzos are very exciting – maybe too exciting. He never seems to become intimate and confidential and expansive  like Pogorelich does (Pogo's the benchmark!). All the music  is very clear though – I like that.  But  the sound is so hard: that’s probably the fault of the transfer.

I’ve ripped the sound of a couple of the scherzos  to flac files so I can play them through the hi-fi. Let me know if you want them.

I have his mazurakas – and while they are very fine they have never won a place in my heart. When I do comparative listening– which I’ve only ever with maybe three or four mazurkas --  he’s never shown left me thinking “wow!”
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Drasko on September 13, 2010, 11:52:27 AM
I’ve ripped the sound of a couple of the scherzos  to flac files so I can play them through the hi-fi. Let me know if you want them.

I was thinking about doing the same thing but the sound of those youtube clips is just way too fierce. So thanks but I'll skip on that.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 06:54:25 PM
Good question. Just as a guess...maybe they don't want to pull any CD sales away from the current stable of artists (David Allen Wehr for Beethoven, et al).

Good point. OTOH, it just occurred to me that CS might just be enjoying all the royalties from Supraphon since Supraphon's distribution prowess must be enormous, especially all the way over there in Europe. 

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It WOULD be nice for those original E. Alan Silver productions to be reissued on the original label. Few people have ever equaled, let alone surpassed, that guy in recording piano.

Those Moravec/Silver recordings - even on VAI - are mightily impressive (haven't heard the original LPs). Some of the finest piano recordings around, no matter what the vintage.

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Also, has anyone here heard the above-mentioned David Allen Wehr...or any of the other crop of pianists on Connoisseur? And if so, what's the verdict?

Of the current generation I have only Pamela Ross's 1991 Schumann disc, latterly listed on 88 Carat Records, though, not on CS (mine is on CS). I find she is a very talented player, fully worthy of the composer. I hold off giving her an unreserved recommendation only on account of the somewhat smallish sound she produces - which is nothing someone else might just absolutely adore, however (it is perfectly entertaining, though - and her dexterity in the intricate, knotty bits is amazing). Gramophone too had good things to say about this disc, it even made it into their 1999 Good CD Guide.

As you'd expect, the E. Alan Silver sonics are excellent.

(The cover threw me until I realized this is the Carnival of Vienna after all. :)):
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 06:59:23 PM
Assuming that they weren't tempted to use Noise Reduction, yes, that would be nice.

I HOPE they wouldn't be so stupid... ???
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 13, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
I HOPE they wouldn't be so stupid... ???

I am seeing it time and time again these days, often on stuff that isn't even that old.  :-[
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 07:07:19 PM
I am seeing it time and time again these days, often on stuff that isn't even that old.  :-[

Wow, big sigh..............
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 13, 2010, 07:10:31 PM
Wow, big sigh..............

I know, right?

I think people's initial reaction to tape hiss is negative, I know mine sure was. But once I realized what was lost at the expense of noise reduction, I became a fan of analog tape hiss.  ;D Plus, those historical records sure cured me of any allergy I had to it.  8)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 13, 2010, 07:25:50 PM
I know, right?

I think people's initial reaction to tape hiss is negative, I know mine sure was. But once I realized what was lost at the expense of noise reduction, I became a fan of analog tape hiss.  ;D Plus, those historical records sure cured me of any allergy I had to it.  8)

Yeah, it might just be a knee-jerk reaction to all the "noise" from the old days but if given time to adjust - to just listen - there's no reason at all to overreact and lop off overtones. Technical standards are pretty high these days for reissues so I don't get the reasoning for this overkill. I guess "pristine digital" is what the Holy Grail looks like to the marketing monkeys so they go for it no matter what the sonic cost. But that's totally backwards... ??? 
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on September 14, 2010, 12:23:36 AM

Oh...and while at their website: I also noticed that they have a Babayan CD listed that I've somehow managed to overlook before now (how the heck did THAT happen?), so will probably be ordering soon.


Dirk, what is Babayan playing on this recording?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: dirkronk on September 14, 2010, 03:38:35 AM
Dirk, what is Babayan playing on this recording?

Holden:
Here's the listing, word for word:
CD 4195 • Ravel: Gaspard de la Nuit; La Valse (Trans. by the composer for piano solo). Prokofiev: 5 Sarcasms, Op.17. Liszt: Ballade No.2 in B minor. Sergei Babayan, pianist. “It is the vivid character in the playing that sets Babayan’s artistry apart.” (Cleveland Plain Dealer) “Arresting sweep and drama.” (Fort Worth Star Telegraph)

Of course, this doesn't help, if Drasko's right about it not actually being available at CS's Ebay store...or elsewhere. Grrrrr.

Dirk
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on September 14, 2010, 05:52:31 PM
I know, right?

I think people's initial reaction to tape hiss is negative, I know mine sure was. But once I realized what was lost at the expense of noise reduction, I became a fan of analog tape hiss.  ;D Plus, those historical records sure cured me of any allergy I had to it.  8)

I still much prefer the original source to have come from tape than 78's ...
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 14, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
I still much prefer the original source to have come from tape than 78's ...

When possible, sure.

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on September 14, 2010, 06:02:07 PM
When possible, sure.

I still have 3 open-reel tape decks and obviously do not have problems listening to tapes ...
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 14, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
I still have 3 open-reel tape decks and obviously do not have problems listening to tapes ...

People want stuff to have zero noise, like something recorded yesterday. In modernizing the old stuff, they make it sound dull and lifeless. All that sparkle and beautiful tone gets ruined.  :-\
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on September 17, 2010, 07:18:55 PM
People want stuff to have zero noise, like something recorded yesterday. In modernizing the old stuff, they make it sound dull and lifeless. All that sparkle and beautiful tone gets ruined.  :-\

"rings bell"
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on September 17, 2010, 07:28:46 PM
"rings bell"

I am eagerly awaiting my latest order of Moravec's Supraphon CD's to arrive from Presto Classical ...    ;)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on January 15, 2011, 08:24:53 AM
Here's an absolutely superb video of Ivan Moravec discussing the piano, some influences and his thoughts on recording in general:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4ChhWLykk&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on January 18, 2011, 07:54:29 PM
Well, just gave this a listen:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BLeMaHphL._AA300_.jpg)

Had the soup cans on with noise cancelling in use in a very quiet room to boot.  The Appassionata's third movement is not to be missed, but what did it for me was the third movement of the Pathétique....WOW!  I believe I have a new favorite for this piece, but will have to let myself settle down to a rational level first.  However, that third was INCREDIBLE!
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on January 18, 2011, 07:58:02 PM
PS On the above recording, is it just me or during the third movement of Les Adieux I detect "Vegh-like" breathing?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on January 19, 2011, 04:26:02 AM
Well, just gave this a listen:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BLeMaHphL._AA300_.jpg)

Had the soup cans on with noise cancelling in use in a very quiet room to boot.  The Appassionata's third movement is not to be missed, but what did it for me was the third movement of the Pathétique....WOW!  I believe I have a new favorite for this piece, but will have to let myself settle down to a rational level first.  However, that third was INCREDIBLE!

 0:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on June 10, 2011, 09:10:31 AM
Spinning for the first time and enjoying very much:

Mozart
Piano Concertos 14 and 23
Recorded April of '74
Prague
Supraphon label (DC-8068)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on June 10, 2011, 09:54:36 AM
Spinning for the first time and enjoying very much:

Mozart
Piano Concertos 14 and 23
Recorded April of '74
Prague
Supraphon label (DC-8068)

Bill's in heaven.   0:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on July 31, 2011, 12:25:21 PM
This performance of Children's Corner sounds excellent to me. From a concert a couple of years ago in Paris. AFAIK he recorded it just once in the 60s -- never on CD but there's a transfer on demonoid. Does anyone have the files of this Paris concert?

http://www.youtube.com/v/E4Jb9WoDus4
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2011, 04:28:01 PM
This performance of Children's Corner sounds excellent to me. From a concert a couple of years ago in Paris. AFAIK he recorded it just once in the 60s -- never on CD but there's a transfer on demonoid.

Actually, it is on CD, but it might as well not be. It's on a long out-of-print VAI disc and is impossible to find. I have it, thankfully...*deep exhale*.





Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 31, 2011, 04:32:04 PM
Actually, it is on CD, but it might as well not be. It's on a long out-of-print VAI disc and is impossible to find.

It's on Demonoid.  0:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2011, 04:38:36 PM
It's on Demonoid.  0:)

I don't follow. Wasn't Mandryka wondering about a Children's Corner issued commercially on CD? Am I missing something? :(


Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 31, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
I don't follow. Wasn't Mandryka wondering about a Children's Corner issued commercially on CD? Am I missing something? :(

Yes, he was. A kind soul shared a copy of that CD with another kind soul who is currently sharing the FLAC files over at Demonoid. I was just giving Mandryka a heads-up.

EDIT: But now I see that he already was aware of this.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 31, 2011, 05:09:37 PM
(http://image.allmusic.com/00/acg/cov200/cl200/l240/l24097a3431.jpg)

Now playing:

Debussy
Claire de lune
Children's Corner Suite

The combination of playing, piano tone and recorded sound here is breathtaking. VAI should have never let this go OOP.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2011, 05:20:55 PM
VAI should have never let this go OOP.

Good thing those "kind souls" have kept it in, err...circulation! ;D


Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 31, 2011, 05:26:54 PM
Good thing those "kind souls" have kept it in, err...circulation! ;D

As you know, Supraphon reissued some of this material, but not all of it. They did the same with his Beethoven and Chopin recordings. Why they chose to do this is beyond me.   
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on July 31, 2011, 05:38:22 PM
As you know, Supraphon reissued some of this material, but not all of it. They did the same with his Beethoven and Chopin recordings. Why they chose to do this is beyond me.

Sad but true... :-\



Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Mandryka on July 31, 2011, 07:52:42 PM
The thing on demonoid id an LP rip I think. I didn't know that the VAI CD existed (can I have it George?)

The next problem is to find the recording of that Paris concert.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on June 21, 2012, 08:21:36 AM
Hmm...a year without a Moravec post. So...

That super-rare VAI French recital set (two discs) is going for big bucks on ebay (apparently in a packaged deal with other Moravec). Stunning set of course for anyone $$$ inclined:

Here's the link. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/IVAN-MORAVEC-PLAYS-BEETHOVEN-CHOPIN-RAVEL-DEBUSSY-FRANCK-VAI-AUDIO-4CD?item=170822387251&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D72267427589175957#ht_1170wt_770)




(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/IVAN-MORAVEC-PLAYS-BEETHOVEN-CHOPIN-RAVEL-DEBUSSY-FRANCK-VAI-AUDIO-4CD-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqJ,!pwE9eHf5fq(BPg+eMjNGw~~60_57.JPG)

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 21, 2012, 09:01:52 AM
I was going to say that's at the MFA, but of course, there's more than one haystack by Monet out thar.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on August 18, 2012, 06:54:35 PM
George! Where are you? This week guess what I've been hearing for the first time!

(http://i.prs.to/t_200/supraphonsu40972.jpg)

*heart melts*

By the way, this Supraphon re-release has been newly (2012) remastered and contains a 4-page interview with Moravec himself on what it's like to hear the recording again after 50 years.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on August 18, 2012, 06:57:54 PM
Very cool, Brian!  :)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on August 19, 2012, 05:13:03 PM


This is the same recording as the following set, which I have.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DV07J0F0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on September 16, 2012, 04:32:30 PM
Anybody have this?

(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/DOR-90172.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 16, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
I've got it, Brian.  0:)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on September 16, 2012, 05:04:26 PM
I've got it, Brian.  0:)
I'm sure! Got thoughts on it?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on September 16, 2012, 05:09:03 PM
Anybody have this?

(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/DOR-90172.jpg)

I have it, too.

If you're after recommendations I've always preferred the Supraphon recordings of each concerto to this one. Not because the playing's bad but because the disc is somewhat dimly recorded. Not quite the quality I'd expect from Dorian, which in general is known for their high-quality sonics.


Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on September 16, 2012, 05:32:02 PM
I'm sure! Got thoughts on it?

Only heard it once, but I wasn't wowed by it.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 10, 2013, 09:34:10 AM
(http://www.supraphon.com/!img_katalog/SU4097_2_xl.gif)

Anyone hear this new mastering yet?

Or more specifically, has anyone compared it to the Nonesuch release (below)?

(http://www.nightafternight.com/.a/6a00d8341ce4c253ef013482884a98970c-pi)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on March 10, 2013, 09:38:45 AM
Cannot imagine it being that much improved?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 10, 2013, 09:49:29 AM
Cannot imagine it being that much improved?

Nope. And I just read an amazon.uk review that claims that they removed the hiss. I don't like what noise reduction does to the piano tone (the Nocturnes were recorded in 1965, on analog tape that inherently has hiss), so I won't be getting the Supraphon.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on March 10, 2013, 10:29:12 AM
I have not heard the Nonesuch version, but I have heard the Supraphon. The piano tone's certainly wonderful. I think I'll rip a track and post it later today...

The Supraphon comes with a great, long interview with Moravec about his pianism.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on March 10, 2013, 12:01:42 PM
Nope. And I just read an amazon.uk review that claims that they removed the hiss. I don't like what noise reduction does to the piano tone (the Nocturnes were recorded in 1965, on analog tape that inherently has hiss), so I won't be getting the Supraphon.

The same here.  The Nonesuch box is fine.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on March 10, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
Here's a nocturne from the Supraphon remastering - Op 48/1. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/2-03%20Chopin_%20Nocturne%20%2313%20In%20C%20Minor.m4a) It's an Apple Lossless file (m4a), hope you can play it; you may need to right-click save-as. Otherwise I'll have to go to a 320 MP3.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on March 11, 2013, 03:38:24 AM
Here's a nocturne from the Supraphon remastering - Op 48/1. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/2-03%20Chopin_%20Nocturne%20%2313%20In%20C%20Minor.m4a) It's an Apple Lossless file (m4a), hope you can play it; you may need to right-click save-as. Otherwise I'll have to go to a 320 MP3.

Thanks, Brian. The amazon reviewer was wrong, they each have pretty much the same amount of hiss, so no noise reduction. They sound close, the Nonesuch has more bass, producing an overall warmer sound. As to which is closer to Moravec's actual tone, I can't say, as I have never heard him live. If you wish to compare (and if you do, I'd love to hear your thoughts), here's the same track from the Nonesuch set, in WAV format:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/9cktdm
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Coopmv on March 16, 2013, 05:04:29 PM
Thanks, Brian. The amazon reviewer was wrong, they each have pretty much the same amount of hiss, so no noise reduction. They sound close, the Nonesuch has more bass, producing an overall warmer sound. As to which is closer to Moravec's actual tone, I can't say, as I have never heard him live. If you wish to compare (and if you do, I'd love to hear your thoughts), here's the same track from the Nonesuch set, in WAV format:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/9cktdm

The Nonesuch set sounds fine to me.  When I first saw the new Supraphon set, I thought for a moment it was a second recording of the Chopin Nocturnes by Moravec ...
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Octo_Russ on March 20, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
I have this disc,

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Mi%2BFXK2ML.jpg)

Doesn't seem to be mentioned here, on some strange label i've never heard of before, it's great to have his Images / Estampes complete, he comes across to me as someone who has a tendency to record bits of things rather than whole works, i don't own much Moravec at all, but i want to get his Supraphon Nocturnes next.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on July 27, 2015, 04:41:12 PM
Ivan Moravec passed away today, at the age of 84.

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/classical-music-news/pianist-ivan-moravec-has-died

In memory of this great pianist, I am listening to this CD:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61N1Gb4uXGL.jpg)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on July 27, 2015, 11:46:02 PM
I just listened to his Chopin Nocturnes
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on July 29, 2015, 03:13:27 AM
Sad to hear of his passing.  He is one of my all time favorites and I was most fortunate to have seen him perform.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Bogey on July 29, 2015, 03:30:58 AM
http://www.npr.org/sections/deceptivecadence/2015/07/28/427048566/unassuming-czech-pianist-ivan-moravec-dies-at-84
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Oldnslow on August 03, 2015, 08:06:10 AM
Supraphon needs to release a big box of this great pianist's recordings, especially since they appear to have the rights of his Connoisseur Society albums.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on December 15, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0000/981/MI0000981983.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

It's my lucky day! I finally found a reasonably priced copy of this OOP 2CD set. (The other sellers on amazon have this priced starting at $178) Hopefully it arrives fast and in the condition stated.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Daverz on December 15, 2015, 08:22:26 PM
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0000/981/MI0000981983.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

It's my lucky day! I finally found a reasonably priced copy of this OOP 2CD set. (The other sellers on amazon have this priced starting at $178) Hopefully it arrives fast and in the condition stated.

I wonder why I didn't buy this back when it came out.

It seems Supraphon only released some of these recordings.  My track listing is:

Franck: Prélude, Chorale et Fugue (1884) - 1. Prélude. Moderato
Franck: Prélude, Chorale et Fugue (1884) - 2. Chorale. Poco più lento
Franck: Prélude, Chorale et Fugue (1884) - 3. Fugue. Poco allegro
Ravel: Sonatine in F-sharp minor (1903-5) - 1. Modéré
Ravel: Sonatine in F-sharp minor (1903-5) - 2. Mouvement de menuet
Ravel: Sonatine in F-sharp minor (1903-5) - 3. Animé
Debussy: Préludes (1910-3) - Feux d'artifice
Debussy: Préludes (1910-3) - La cathédrale engloutie
Debussy: Préludes (1910-3) - Les collines d'Anacapri
Debussy: Préludes (1910-3) - Les sons et les parfums(...)
Debussy: Préludes (1910-3) - La terrasse des audiences(...)
Debussy: Pour le piano (1894-1901) - 1. Prélude
Debussy: Pour le piano (1894-1901) - 2. Sarabande
Debussy: Pour le piano (1894-1901) - 3. Toccata

And Amazon shows the contents of the VAI set as:

Disc: 1
  1. Prld, Chorale and Fugue, Prld: Moderato/Chorale, Poco piu lento
  2. Prld, Chorale and Fugue: Fugue
  3. Sonatine, 1st movt: (Modere)
  4. Sonatine, 2nd movt: (Menuet)
  5. Sonatine, 3rd movt: (Anime)
  6. Claire de lune
  7. Children's Corner Ste: Docor Gradus ad Parnassum
  8. Children's Corner Ste: Jinbo's Lullaby
  9. Children's Corner Ste: Ser fo the Doll
  10. Children's Corner Ste: Snow is Dancing
  11. Children's Corner Ste: The Little Shepherd
  12. Children's Corner Ste: Golliwog's Cake-walk

Disc: 2
  1. Five Prlds: Feux d'artifice
  2. Five Prlds: La Catherdrale engloutie
  3. Five Prlds: Les Collines d'Anacapri
  4. Five Prlds: Les Sons et les parfumes tournent dans l'air du soir
  5. Five Prlds: La Terasse des audiences du claire de lune
  6. Jardins sous la pluie
  7. La puerta del vino
  8. Ondine
  9. Feuilles mortes
  10. Pour le piano-Ste: Prld
  11. Pour le piano-Ste: Saraband
  12. Pour le piano-Ste: Tocatta

I wonder why Supraphon didn't just release a 2-CD set.

The latest from Supraphon:

Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on December 29, 2015, 06:09:44 AM
A kind person on another site found this link to Moravec's old website: https://web.archive.org/web/20120213141412/http://www.ivanmoravec.net/albums/al-home.html

It appears to have the complete discography of the pianist.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on May 03, 2018, 06:47:39 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81RcFLeilFL._SL500_.jpg)

NEW RELEASE!

I was surprised and exited to see that Supraphon has added a new CD release to Moravec's far too small discography.  It's not out in the USA, but can be bought from overseas sellers. I ordered mine for only $15.57 shipped from MDT.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on May 10, 2018, 04:12:15 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81RcFLeilFL._SL200_.jpg)

NEW RELEASE!

I was surprised and exited to see that Supraphon has added a new CD release to Moravec's far too small discography.  It's not out in the USA, but can be bought from overseas sellers. I ordered mine for only $15.57 shipped from MDT.

Listening to this now. More gorgeous playing from Moravec, really makes me miss him.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 24, 2020, 07:37:36 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZCsENW6SL._SL500_.jpg)

New Release

I wanted to post this info, regarding the new Moravec 11CD + 1DVD box set, in case it is helpful to others. I believe that I have all the Moravec CDs that have been released and wanted to see which performances in the new box were new to CD. I just checked the Supraphon site and came up with 128 minutes of previously unreleased, on CD, performances:

Beethoven - Op. 28 Pastoral sonata - 1970 (live, Italy. The Brussels performance is better and in better sound)
Schumann - Scenes from childhood and Arabesque, 1984
Brahms - Op. 117, 1-3, Op. 76/2 and Op. 79/2 - 1984
Ravel - Habanera - 1963 (with Saša Večtomov, cello)
Janacek - On an overgrown path (3 selections), In the Mists and the Sonata - 1983
Martinu - Etudes and Polkas (3 selections) - 2001 (short, lighthearted works)

Of these, the Op.28 Pastoral Sonata, Scenes from childhood, Op. 117, No. 2, Op.76/2, Op. 79/2, In The Mists and the Janacek Sonata, have all been released on CD by Moravec, but different performances.

So the only works (total time 34:25) that are new to CD in this set are:
Schumann Arabesque (7:30)
Brahms Op. 117/2 (6:24)
Ravel Habanera (3:27)
Janacek On an Overgrown Path (3 selections) (11:18)
Martinu Etudes and Polkas (3 selections) (5:46)

And of course, a DVD is also included that is new.

I'm still deciding if I will be passing on this set, since I already own so much of these performances and I wasn't happy with the most recent mastering of the Nocturnes by Supraphon.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Todd on October 24, 2020, 07:39:56 AM
I just checked the Supraphon site and came up with 97 minutes of previously unreleased, on CD, performances


I love Moravec and have almost all available recordings, so the idea of buying a box for so little music does not entice.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 24, 2020, 08:36:25 AM

I love Moravec and have almost all available recordings, so the idea of buying a box for so little music does not entice.

Yeah, especially when the amount of new repertoire is so low. Still it is priced right and has a DVD that I am interested in, and not available elsewhere, so I might get it.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 24, 2020, 09:55:10 AM
A teaser video on the new box set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMlE9xz9UeU
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Daverz on October 25, 2020, 10:05:41 PM
The Supraphon Portrait set has hit the download sites, and sad to say, the download does not include the Janacek works.
I assume they couldn't get the download license for these recordings (still owned by Nonesuch?). 

By the way, the Schumann concerto in the box is the recording with Mata; I think the recording with Neumann is preferable (why not include both?).  However that Supraphon disc seems to be still in print, as are the Brahms concertos with Belohlavek.  The Connoisseur Society recording of the Chopin Preludes, which I think is preferable to the Supraphon recording,  is also not included.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Holden on October 25, 2020, 11:40:24 PM
The Supraphon Portrait set has hit the download sites, and sad to say, the download does not include the Janacek works.
I assume they couldn't get the download license for these recordings (still owned by Nonesuch?). 

By the way, the Schumann concerto in the box is the recording with Mata; I think the recording with Neumann is preferable (why not include both?).  However that Supraphon disc seems to be still in print, as are the Brahms concertos with Belohlavek.  The Connoisseur Society recording of the Chopin Preludes, which I think is preferable to the Supraphon recording,  is also not included.

Where are the download sites. Do they include the DVD?
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Daverz on October 26, 2020, 12:30:04 AM
Where are the download sites. Do they include the DVD?

Qobuz and supraphonline.cz.  I don't see any videos in the download files.  I also missed that there is some Schumann and Brahms missing from the downloads (on CD7 in the box) that were also licensed from Nonesuch.  (A different Kinderszenen from the one that was on a Supraphon CD?  I haven't checked.)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 26, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
I let it be known to a good friend of mine that I was excited to see that there was a new Moravec set coming out soon (and as I mentioned elsewhere) and that I was looking to see how much of it I didn't already own....and, well, he beat me to the punch and went ahead and ordered it for me as an early Christmas present.  As he said, "I know that he's 'your guy'"!   :D

As an aside, there are two or three new(ish) live CDs of his which I don't own and am wondering here whether or not anyone here has them or has heard them via stream?  Off the top of my head, the first new-to-me one is the Twelth Night one.  There's also a Grieg, Ravel and Prokofiev piano concertos one...which I think is live?  Or at least new?

By the way, for what it's worth (if you don't already own it), the Live from Prague one (which came out on Hanssler) is a wonderful CD...it's a favorite of mine.  :)

PD
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: George on October 28, 2020, 04:00:21 PM
Qobuz and supraphonline.cz.  I don't see any videos in the download files.  I also missed that there is some Schumann and Brahms missing from the downloads (on CD7 in the box) that were also licensed from Nonesuch.  (A different Kinderszenen from the one that was on a Supraphon CD?  I haven't checked.)

Yeah, none of the Nonesuch stuff from the 80s are in the download:

Schumann - Scenes from childhood and Arabesque, 1984
Brahms - Op. 117, 1-3, Op. 76/2 and Op. 79/2 - 1984
Janacek - On an overgrown path (3 selections), In the Mists and the Sonata - 1983

And yes, the Schumann is different than the one previously released on Supraphon CD.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Brian on October 28, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
There's also a Grieg, Ravel and Prokofiev piano concertos one...which I think is live?  Or at least new?

PD
I bought that one. Have not heard the Prokofiev yet but the other two are certainly good performances. Moravec was always very good in the Ravel.
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on October 29, 2020, 10:20:13 AM
Thanks for the feedback Brian!  Have you heard his Live in Prague one?

PD
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Irons on November 01, 2020, 02:38:08 AM
Thanks for the feedback Brian!  Have you heard his Live in Prague one?

PD

I have. ;)
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on November 01, 2020, 03:36:53 AM
I have. ;)
Excellent!  Hope that you enjoy it?  :)

PD
Title: Re: Ivan Moravec
Post by: Irons on November 01, 2020, 06:44:50 AM
Excellent!  Hope that you enjoy it?  :)

PD

I did. ;D