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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening 2 now?

« Last post by Madiel on Today at 03:13:35 AM »

Schoenberg

A Survivor from Warsaw



Phantasy for violin and piano

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The Diner / Re: USA Politics

« Last post by milk on Today at 03:06:39 AM »

It's a game of words, really.... How do the concepts of racial prejudice, racial discrimination and "racism" relate?
My impression is that in Europe "racism" is the more general term covering both prejudice and discrimination.

When someone is "racist", we're referring to someone with racial prejudices and who believes in racial superiority.

Obviously an (unequal) power relation is going to be decisive for the impact of any form of prejudice.


So, if you claim that "a lot of people on the left" believe that only white people can be racist...

Are you suggesting that "they" (whoever they are are) think that (in current US society) only white people can use race against someone else in a position of power?

Or are you suggesting that "they" believe that only whites can have racial prejudices?

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I think none of this matters anymore much to the new people running the show. I go back to what Matt Taibbi is saying about Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility - which has been meme-d around at me (her book, not Taibbi). Taibbi can’t be accused of being anywhere near the right but the memes suggest you can’t win by quoting anyone criticizing the new regime: it’s un-criticize-able.
But Taibbi is more than on point, he’s hilarious:

DiAngelo isn’t the first person to make a buck pushing tricked-up pseudo-intellectual horseshit as corporate wisdom, but she might be the first to do it selling Hitlerian race theory. White Fragility has a simple message: there is no such thing as a universal human experience, and we are defined not by our individual personalities or moral choices, but only by our racial category.

If your category is “white,” bad news: you have no identity apart from your participation in white supremacy (“Anti-blackness is foundational to our very identities… Whiteness has always been predicated on blackness”), which naturally means “a positive white identity is an impossible goal.”

... DiAngelo instructs us there is nothing to be done here, except “strive to be less white.” To deny this theory, or to have the effrontery to sneak away from the tedium of DiAngelo’s lecturing – what she describes as “leaving the stress-inducing situation” – is to affirm her conception of white supremacy. This intellectual equivalent of the “ordeal by water” (if you float, you’re a witch) is orthodoxy across much of academia....

... DiAngelo’s writing style is pure pain. The lexicon favored by intersectional theorists of this type is built around the same principles as Orwell’s Newspeak: it banishes ambiguity, nuance, and feeling and structures itself around sterile word pairs, like racist and antiracist, platform and deplatform, center and silence, that reduce all thinking to a series of binary choices. Ironically, Donald Trump does something similar, only with words like “AMAZING!” and “SAD!” that are simultaneously more childish and livelier..

...One line of King’s speech in particular—that one day he might be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin—was seized upon by the white public because the words were seen to provide a simple and immediate solution to racial tensions: pretend that we don’t see race, and racism will end. Color blindness was now promoted as the remedy for racism, with white people insisting that they didn’t see race or, if they did, that it had no meaning to them...
That this speech was held up as the framework for American race relations for more than half a century precisely because people of all races understood King to be referring to a difficult and beautiful long-term goal worth pursuing is discounted, of course. White Fragility is based upon the idea that human beings are incapable of judging each other by the content of their character, and if people of different races think they are getting along or even loving one another, they probably need immediate antiracism training. This is an important passage because rejection of King’s “dream” of racial harmony — not even as a description of the obviously flawed present, but as the aspirational goal of a better future — has become a central tenet of this brand of antiracist doctrine mainstream press outlets are rushing to embrace...

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragility

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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening 2 now?

« Last post by Maestro267 on Today at 03:03:03 AM »

Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D minor
Royal Liverpool PO/Petrenko

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General Classical Music Discussion / Re: What are you listening 2 now?

« Last post by Biffo on Today at 02:59:50 AM »

Milhaud: Ouverture philharmonique
Delius: Intermezzo from Fennimore and Gerda
Beethoven: Piano Concerto No 4 in G major, Op 58

New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Sir John Barbirolli with Gina Bachauer piano

Recorded live: Philharmonic Hall, New York, 30 November 1962

Reasonable mono sound that seems to improve as the concert progresses. Fine performance of the Beethoven.

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The Diner / Re: Three-Word Posts

« Last post by aligreto on Today at 02:49:05 AM »

fallacious constant striving

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The Diner / Re: Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!

« Last post by Old San Antone on Today at 02:46:54 AM »

For Better, Or Worse, which finds Prine teaming with an all-star array of female singers to tackle carefully chosen vintage country tunes.

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The Diner / Re: Two Word Posts

« Last post by aligreto on Today at 02:46:35 AM »

shady individuals

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The Diner / Re: Six-letter-word posts

« Last post by aligreto on Today at 02:45:53 AM »

golden

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The Diner / Re: New cool original thread, Band that change there sound so much you hate it?

« Last post by 71 dB on Today at 02:45:32 AM »

Sorry, a bit lost in this conversation for some reason. 

Being a bit lost is to be expected in threads created by deprofundis 

As a listener, I never got into listening to mainstream music, and I don't play it either.

Mainstream music has always been a very marginal portion of my music listening, but I do enjoy some mainstream very much. Expecially I adore pop music around 2010-13. That's when I think pop artists "sold out" the right way. Even that seems to be possible. Mainstream music complements marginal / art music imo, but as I said, most of what I listen to isn't mainstream and before about 2010 my attitude toward mainstream music was quite condescending.

Like for metal, I never even got into it until 10 years ago, and mainly listen to the newer stuff and less mainstream in general.

I have yet to get into metal. I just find some music genres uninteresting and metal is one of these genres. This is not a problem, because the genres i am into provide near endless source of music for me. King Crimson is the closest of metal I listen to. Some of their music might be even classified as metal, but I enjoy it anyway. 

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The Diner / Re: Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!

« Last post by aligreto on Today at 02:44:52 AM »

Having a listen to this on streaming. Got shivers on track 2 as i know and absolutely love Mná Na hÉireann. I know it via cover by Alan Stivell, a traditional Brittany musician and harp player that hit the big time in the late 70's and 80's in France, melting all types of celtic music. Is he known at all in Ireland ?

here is his version:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3Z_CO3Se8Mw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3Z_CO3Se8Mw</a>

I am delighted that you listened to some of that CD of mine above Olivier and indeed that you were aware of Mná Na hÉireann.

I, and many others, would certainly be certainly aware of Alan Stivell particularly from the original folk revival in the 70's and 80's. He would have visited Ireland and would also have collaborated with Irish musicians.