The Great Sex Hysteria of 2017, or the war on non-chads

[lisa needs braces]

All I'm saying is that none of the accused men have been Chad types (good looking and fit.)

[Tulse]

You're right. Chad courtship is not the only way to go.



Oh wait...

[zamyrabyrd]

Narcissism, Voyeurism

[You did it]

I too have seen a double standard in many cases with this, which is sad but hopefully it is something that society will move away from

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Ok, here's something I found by accident but it make me crack up laughing, so there:

[Que]

I too have seen a double standard in many cases with this, which is sad but hopefully it is something that society will move away from

Double standards? You mean when inappropriate behaviour towards women is usually laughed away as an "innocent joke" ? 

I can tell you don't have a daughter or an attractive looking female significant other.... You wouldn't be talk like that of you did....

Very classy, guys.....

Q

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Double standards? You mean when inappropriate behaviour towards women is usually laughed away as an "innocent joke" ? 

I can tell you don't have a daughter or an attractive looking female significant other.... You wouldn't be talk like that of you did....

Very classy, guys.....

Q

No, don't get me wrong I certainly don't condone it, I am against it but the message I believe, is that there is "the others" who get away with it cleanly or even get in relationships with woman through that kind of inappropriate behavior just because the woman finds them attractive.

Unless I'm mistaken, we are just talking about social etiquette, which has it's double standards like that, not criminal behavior which is something else.

I, myself as a man am very respectful and self-conscious with women/ladies/girls, as everyone should be in the neutral way. aka, neutral respect with strangers/colleagues etc.

[zamyrabyrd]

Feminism did plenty to strip respect from women but somehow they are the most moralistic loud mouth accusers.
Just google up the bare-breasted feminazis attacking the Buenos Aires Cathedral, or Pussy Riot.
Do they expect chivalry after that?
I hate those b***hes.

[amw]

Men don't get away with sexual harassment or bad behaviour towards women because it's women's fault somehow, but because those men have more social and economic power than their victims and thus can control the narrative and ensure their victims aren't believed.

Harvey Weinstein didn't experience any consequences for sexually assaulting & harassing women until he was no longer a powerful movie producer. Charlie Rose, likewise, until he was no longer an important TV personality. Roy Moore, likewise, until the Republican Party and its donors decided he was more of a liability than an asset. Donald Trump or Al Franken or that Michigan congressman or whichever elected official is unlikely to face consequences until he is no longer an elected official and thus has less power. Bill Clinton is only now starting to be widely recognised as the sexual predator that he is, almost two decades after he left the White House.

Most powerful men were attractive once, because physical health (= attractiveness) correlates with race, socioeconomic status and educational attainment and therefore is a good predictor of eventual socioeconomic power. That doesn't make sexual harassment in the workplace somehow "consensual", particularly when we're talking about harassing or assaulting your subordinates, who can't say no or complain without the threat of losing their jobs. So this is a dumb argument in general.

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@zamyrabyrd

Well yes, in activism there are a lot of cases of people doing harm to their their apparent cause.




In another point that I can't help thinking that is separate from socially exceptable etiquette in the previous context, is that:

Firstly, I'll say again that we should all expectedly have that level of respect as previously stated, that is a given and I fully agree. The thing is, when we get into individual cases (and I am talking people as a whole), some people are different to others regarding this stuff. I've met rough/thick-skinned women before, sometimes seeming very intimidating in personality, I'm not taking about what you may think stereotypically appearance-wise either. I've on the other hand, also met women who are really hyper-sensitive about everything, which is quite dangerous mentally.
I'm not meaning in controversial situations here btw, just normal social situations in College, University, the workplace, public, public services etc etc.

Like, this is on human to human level, not just gender-based assessment of what is inappropriate. Some people have really sensitive personality types. Here the thing to note outside of the main point in the thread is that you have to use critical thinking in some cases because it's sometimes situations can be far more innocent than they are made out to be, and the opposite of that too. 

[You did it]

Men don't get away with sexual harassment or bad behaviour towards women because it's women's fault somehow, but because those men have more social and economic power than their victims and thus can control the narrative and ensure their victims aren't believed.

Harvey Weinstein didn't experience any consequences for sexually assaulting & harassing women until he was no longer a powerful movie producer. Charlie Rose, likewise, until he was no longer an important TV personality. Roy Moore, likewise, until the Republican Party and its donors decided he was more of a liability than an asset. Donald Trump or Al Franken or that Michigan congressman or whichever elected official is unlikely to face consequences until he is no longer an elected official and thus has less power. Bill Clinton is only now starting to be widely recognised as the sexual predator that he is, almost two decades after he left the White House.

Most powerful men were attractive once, because physical health (= attractiveness) correlates with race, socioeconomic status and educational attainment and therefore is a good predictor of eventual socioeconomic power. That doesn't make sexual harassment in the workplace somehow "consensual", particularly when we're talking about harassing or assaulting your subordinates, who can't say no or complain without the threat of losing their jobs. So this is a dumb argument in general.

On the actual criminal, celebrity sexual abuse stuff popping up a lot lately (which is much higher in "seriousness" compared to just etiquette, it's an illegal situation afterall). Seeing new ones, often of people I've either watched/seen in movies or at least heard of, is getting quite depressing. It's not like it's just something happening now (it's been happening ever since hollywood existed or entertainment) but the extent that it is becoming visible is quite scary, it really shows the extent of how sick people in power will fully exploit it 

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Didn't know about Bill Clinton actually, holy shit!    (not that I liked him as a politician/president)

[You did it]

Another aspect media-wise, is that our modern culture idealizes celebrity culture, hollywood, the entertainment industry but in fact, it is just as scummy as less-wealthy places with more publicized crime-rates.
And the reason for the hysteria behind it is because when the veil of illusion is pulled down, or the smokescreen, it is scary because this idealized world is such a part of the daily life of the average-Joe/Layman and the seedy underbelly just isn't as visible.
Then it is a scary thought that the performer/actor/director/even composer you go to for comfort or entertainment could be a really disturbed person 

And now a lot of this is coming into the spotlight finally

[LKB]

Didn't know about Bill Clinton actually, holy shit!    (not that I liked him as a politician/president)

Bill Clinton has been a sleazebag for decades, at least since he was governor of Arkansas, if not earlier. This was common knowledge to locals ( most of my family are from Arkansas ).

Unsurprised,

LKB

[milk]

Feminism did plenty to strip respect from women but somehow they are the most moralistic loud mouth accusers.
Just google up the bare-breasted feminazis attacking the Buenos Aires Cathedral, or Pussy Riot.
Do they expect chivalry after that?
I hate those b***hes.

Which "accusers" are feminists? I'm not getting this.

[Marc]

Feminism did plenty to strip respect from women but somehow they are the most moralistic loud mouth accusers.
Just google up the bare-breasted feminazis attacking the Buenos Aires Cathedral, or Pussy Riot.
Do they expect chivalry after that?
I hate those b***hes.

Humbug.

[Brian]

All I'm saying is that none of the accused men have been Chad types (good looking and fit.)

Lol what universe do you come from where the name "Chad" connotes "good looking and fit"? Here on earth, "Chad" is associated with arrogant douchebags.
https://melmagazine.com/how-brad-and-chad-became-synonyms-with-douchebag-3c2a516f1197
http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-chad-a-joke-name/
See also: Chad on a recent season of The Bachelorette
See also: I recently interviewed a moron named Chad and one of the comments on my article was "of course his name is Chad"

[Brian]

All I'm saying is that none of the accused men have been Chad types (good looking and fit.)

Also, plenty of the accused men have been good looking and fit. Ed Westwick. Jeremy Piven. The younger versions of Dustin Hoffman, George Takei, and Bill Clinton. And, while I don't consider them especially good looking, the peak-physique Sylvester Stallone and Steven Seagal.

[Rinaldo]

Feminism did plenty to strip respect from women

Yeah, like giving them voting rights.

Pussy Riot dared to challenge a corrupt tyrant and you call them bitches. Why am I not surprised..

[Marc]

Yeah, like giving them voting rights.

Pussy Riot dared to challenge a corrupt tyrant and you call them bitches. Why am I not surprised..

Better lock this medieval male chauvinist thread.
Bah.