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« on: September 12, 2010, 12:06:53 PM »
I heard Turina's Piano Trio (op.67) today in a concert-first piece i've heard from him-- and i really didn't like it at all; no coherence! And he seemed to miss a distintive musical personality; reminiscences of Franck and Debussy--even of Grieg...! Any recommendations? What should i listen from him?

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 11:55:29 PM »
Listen to "Canto a Sevilla", a masterpiece for soprano and orchestra. It is perhaps Turina's best work. There are two splendid versions, old but remarkable: Victoria de Los Angeles/Fistoulari and Lola de Aragon/Freitas Branco.

I also suggest that you listen his piano music, by Alicia de Larrocha: two beautiful works, Danzas Fantasticas and Sanlucar de Barrameda.
The Sonata for guitar is another beautiful masterpiece.

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Re: Turina
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 12:49:13 AM »
Anybody know his string quartet - Oracion de Torero or something like that? With my interest in this medium I've always wondered whether I have actually missed something there.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2010, 03:07:28 AM »
"Oration del Torero" is a work for string orchestra. It is a very beautiful piece. It seems that Turina wrote it, at first, for luth, but I never heard that version.

The version for string orchestra has some great interpretations:  Freitas Branco, Stokowski and Argenta, among others.

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2010, 07:21:27 AM »
I've heard only some of his piano music, and then Turina seemed less distinctive than Albeniz, Granados, or Falla.  Still, it's not too bad at all.  Esteban Sanchez's recording brings out enough to listen to on occasion.
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Re: Turina
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2010, 09:33:25 AM »
There's a beautifully done Telarc disc of the Danzas Fantasticas, Sinfonia Sevillana, and La Procesion del Rocio.

I guess I like the Piano Trio more than you do, and it is recognizably Turina.

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Re: Turina
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 03:30:29 AM »
Thanks guys---ill give' em a try

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Re: Turina
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 05:00:16 AM »
Glad to find the Turina thread. As for the recordings of his orchestral works, I have Almeida/RCA, Batiz/IMG(EMI), Lobos-Cobos/Telarc, Darman/Naxos, 2 of Mena/Chandos, and Udaeta/Claves. They all are wonderful, and there is no bad recording. I like the first three recordings especially. The Darman/Naxos is excellent too, but the recording sound is just fair. I like Turina piano works as well, and mainly listen the Naxos recordings by Maso.
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Re: Joaquín Turina [1882-1949]
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2020, 04:37:30 AM »
- grandfather to composer José Luis Turina [1952-  ]
- friend of Albéniz and de Falla
- born in Seville  died in Madrid
- studied in Paris under Vincent d'Indy
- influenced by French music - especially Debussy in younger years before  becoming a staunch Spanish nationalist in his music
- by 1930 was a professor of composition at Madrid Conservatory
- anti-communist, he was persecuted by the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, but prospered under Franco's fascist regime and was awarded the Grand Cross of Alfonso X
- founded the General Music Commission of the Ministry of Education
- died of a long battle with cancer
- many of his works he re-arranged for other instrumentation, such as The Nine Muses, which exists in a version for lute quartet, a septet for string quartet plus piano and 2 violins, and an orchestral arrangement with piano titled Las musas de Andalucía

partial works list:

orchestral
 La procesión del Rocio, sym. poem, op.9, 1913
 Evangelio, poem, op.12, 1915
 Navidad, Op.16
 Danzas fantásticas: Exaltación, Ensueño, Orgía, op.22, 1920, arr. pf
 Sinfonía sevillana, op.23, 1920
 Oracion del Torero, Op.34
 Ritmos, fantasia coreográfica, op.43, 1928
 Danzas Gitanas, Op.55
 Rapsodia sinfónica, op.66, pf, str, 1931
 Primavera Sevillana
 Preludio, from Fantasia Sobre Cinco Notas, Op.83
 Serenta, arr. orchestra, Op.87
 Tema y Variaciones, Op. 100

chamber
 Pf Qnt, g, op.1, 1907
 Str Qt ‘de la guitarra’, op.4, 1911
 Sextet - Escena andaluza, op.7, va, pf, str qt, 1912
 El poema de una sanluqueña, op.28, vn, pf, 1924
 La oración del torero, op.34, lute qt, 1925, arr. str qt/str orch
 Pf trio, op.35, 1926
 Recuerdos de la antigua España, op.48, lute qt, 1929
 Sonata, op.51, vn, pf, 1929
 Pf Qt, op.67, 1931
 Variaciones clásicas, op.72, vn, pf, 1932
 Pf trio, op.76 (1933)
 Sonata, No.2 op.82 Sonate  "Espagnole", vn, pf , 1908
 Serenata, op.87, str qt
 Círculo, op.91, pf trio, 1942
 Las musas de Andalucía, op.93, pf qnt, 1942
 Tema y variaciones, op.100, hp, pf, 1945
 Homenaje a Navarra, op.102, vn, pf, 1945
 Annonciation (L'): piano-string quintet
 Trio in F (1904): piano-violin-cello
 Divertimento, Aria y Serenata: 8 cellos

piano
Sevilla, suite pintoresca, op.2, 1909;
Sonata romántica, op.3, 1909;
Rincones sevillanos, op.5, 1911;
3 danzas andaluzas, op.8, 1912;
Recuerdos de mi rincón, op.14, tragedia cómica, 1915;
Album de viaje, op.15, 1916;
Mujeres españolas, op.17, 1917;
Cuentos de España, op.20, 1918;
Niñerias, op.21, 1918;
Sanlucar de Barrameda, sonata pintoresca, op.24, 1922;
El Cristo de la Calavera, leyenda, op.30, 1924;
Jardines de Andalucía, op.31, 1924;
La venta de los gatos, op.32, leyenda, 1925
El barrio de Santa Cruz, op.33, 1927;
Le leyenda de la Giralda, op.40, 1927;
2 danzas sobre temas populares españolas, op.41, 1927;
Verbena madrileña, op.42, 1927;
Mallorca, op.44, 1928;
Evocaciones, op.46, 1929;
Cuentos de España, series no.2, op.47 (1929);
Viaje marítimo, op.49, 1929;
Tocata y fuga, op.50, 1929;
Miniaturas, op.52, 1929;
5 danzas gitanas, op.55, 1930;
Niñerias, series no.2, op.56 (1930);
Partita, C, op.57, 1930;
Tarjetas postales, op.58, 1930;
Sonata fantasía, op.59, 1930;
Radio Madrid, op.62, 1931;
Jardín de niños, op.63, 1931;
Pieza romántica, op.64, 1931
El castillo de Almodóvar, op.65, 1931, orchd;
El circo, op.68, 1931;
Siluetas, op.70, 1932;
En la zapateria, op.71, 1932;
Mujeres españoles, series no.2, op.73 (1932);
Fantasía italiana, op.75, 1932;
El poema infinito, op.77, 1933;
Rincones de Sanlúcar, op.78, 1933;
Bailete, op.79, 1933; Preludios, op.80, 1933;
Fantasía sobre 5 notas, op.83, 1934, orchd;
Danzas gitanas, series no.2, op.84 (1934);
Concierto sin orquesta op.88, 1935;
Mujeres de Sevilla, op.89 (1935);
E el cortijo, op.92, 1940
Fantasia, del reloj, op.94, 1943;
Por las calles de Sevilla, op.96, 1943;
Rincón mágico, op.97, 1943;
Poema fantástico, op.98, 1944;
Contemplación, op.99, 1944;
Linterna mágica, op.101, 1945;
Fantasía cinematográfica, op.103, 1945;
Sinfonía del mar, unpubd
organ: Preludio, op.10, 1914;
organ: Musette, op.13, 1915

guitar
Sevillana, op.29, 1923;
Fandanguillo, op.36, 1926;
Ráfaga, op.53, 1930;
Sonata, op.61, 1931;
Homenaje a Tárrega, op.69, 1932

stage
La sulamita (op, 3, P. Balgañón, after the Bible), c1900
La copla (zar sevillana, 1, J. Labios and E. Luciux), c1904, Seville, Cervantes, 24 March 1904
Fea y con gracia (zar, 1, S. and J. Alvárez Quintero), 1905, Madrid, Moderna, 3 May 1905
Margot (comedia lírica, 3, G. Martínez Sierra), op.11, 1914 Madrid, Zarzuela, 10 Oct 1914
Navidad (incid music, 2 scenes, Martínez Sierra), op.16, 1916, Madrid, Eslava, 21 Dec 1916 (Madrid, 1916)
La adúltera penitente (incid music, A. Moreto), op.18, 1917, Barcelona, Novedades, 30 June 1917
Jardín de Oriente (op, 1, Martínez Sierra), op.25, 1922, Madrid, Real, 6 March 1923, prelude (Madrid, 1931)
La anunciación (incid music, T. Borras), op.27, 1923, Madrid, Español, 10 April 1924 (Madrid, 1924)
Pregón de flores (op, 1, S. and J. Alvárez Quintero), 1939–40

songs
Rima (G.A. Becquer), op.6, 1914; Poema en forma de canciones (R. de Campoamor), op.19, 1923; 3 arias (A.S. Rivas, J. Espronceda, Becquer), op.26, 1923; 2 canciones (C. de Arteaga), op.38, 1927; Tríptico (Campoamor, Rivas), op.45, 1929; 3 sonetos (R. Marin), op.54, 1930; Saeta en forma de Salve a la Virgen de la Esperanza (S. and J. Álvarez Quintero), op.60, 1930; Vocalizaciones, op.74, 1932; Homenaje a Lope de Vega, op.90, 1935
Canto a Sevilla (M. San Roman), op.37, 1v, orch, 1927;
Las nueve musas, 1v, pf, vn, str qt, 1942



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Re: Joaquín Turina [1882-1949]
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2020, 04:47:58 AM »
1962 DG recording



this 1970 Lp not on CD?
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Re: Joaquín Turina [1882-1949]
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2020, 06:52:39 AM »
1962 DG recording



this 1970 Lp not on CD?


Thank you very much for the pictures of LP and helpful info about Turina. I have never seen the records, and the cover arts look beautiful. As I admire Turina's compositions and movies by Luis Bunuel, I am thinking about visiting Seville after the pandemic.
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Re: Joaquín Turina [1882-1949]
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2020, 08:51:09 AM »
I like his music very much -  I have the vast majority of it now - some things are not available - maybe one day that will be corrected.
I'd rather ensembles tackle missing compositions than the 4,000th version of Brahms' symphonies.
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Re: Joaquín Turina [1882-1949]
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2020, 10:22:11 AM »
The Claves discs have generally been of high quality.  An easy way to get a wide variety of the chamber pieces.

                     

                   




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The Germans, who make doctrines out of everything, deal with music learnedly; the Italians, being voluptuous, seek in it lively, though fleeting, sensations; the French, more vain than perceptive, manage to speak of it wittily; and the English pay for it . . . - Stendhal