And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[Florestan]

The first appointment was in January. The next is in about 3 weeks.

Why such a large time gap between them? Usually such appointments are weekly.

[Karl Henning]

I have exchanged emails with a psychologist today. In Finland this kind of help is "free" thanks to "socialism" 

Excellent! I am really glad for you.

The miracle was the whole establishment getting behind Biden in desperation to stop Bernie + SNAKE Warren splitting progressive votes. Biden needs another miracle against Trump.

The miracle is that this is a matter of people voting rather than narrow-viewed activists bloviating. I have to hope that at some point in future, you can learn from your mistakes in judgment, mistakes which still hold you in thrall.

I want to be clear: your juvenile name-calling doesn't matter a damn to Biden or Warren.

You are determined to demonstrate what a peevish child you are, intellectually.

Knock yourself out, junior!

[Karl Henning]

Why such a large time gap between them? Usually such appointments are weekly.

I guess "free" is not always "timely."

[71 dB]

Why such a large time gap between them? Usually such appointments are weekly.

There has been many appointment 2-4 weeks apart. It is what it is. Not your business anyway is it?

[Karl Henning]

By now we all are used to the lunacy of president Trump so I guess 4 more years is okay. Then Ivanka Trump as the first female president! Oligarchs have NOTHING to worry about. Taxes will raise (sunset provision) only for the bottom 90 % of people.

We'll file that with all your other forecasts.

[71 dB]

The conclusion was to suggest that Bernie actually had (or has?) more swing voters in hand than Biden. For what it's worth.

Bravo! Finally someone other than myself says this out loud!  0:)

[JBS]

I haven't been a Bernie supporter (Warren would be my first choice)  but I heard a bit of analysis by an unidentified (by me, because I was doing other things and not fully focused) voice on NPR that gave me pause on the whole electability issue. The voice was challenging the received wisdom that Biden is more likely than Bernie to win the support of so-called "swing voters." The thesis was that there are in fact two species of swing voter, the garden variety who voted for Obama in 08 and 12 but for Trump in 16, and the other kind, those who in 16 supported Bernie and then failed to vote altogether or who supported third party candidates in preference to Hillary. It was claimed that the garden variety are 70% Republican leaning in their views and far less persuadable than the other kind, who lean left by the same amount. The conclusion was to suggest that Bernie actually had (or has?) more swing voters in hand than Biden. For what it's worth.

As for Biden's mental health, I must say that seeing his performance in the debates and in other public venues of late, I was concerned that he has lost several steps and might be in decline. I hope it's just a situational problem of stress and fatigue because, obviously, even a senile Biden is preferable to the current infestation.

I think the  most crucial thing is a Democratic nominee who will not motivate Republicans not thrilled with Trump to vote for Trump. Bernie's hard leftism would motivate many people to vote for Trump. Biden's swampy senile stability will motivate fewer. 

[Karl Henning]

Bravo! Finally someone other than myself says this out loud!  0:)

You still do not perceive the difference: You see the word suggest?

[Florestan]

Not your business anyway is it?

This kind of aggressiveness towards people who mean and wish you well is not justified.

[Florestan]

I guess "free" is not always "timely."

Quite so.

[Ratliff]

The miracle was the whole establishment getting behind Biden in desperation to stop Bernie + SNAKE Warren splitting progressive votes. Biden needs another miracle against Trump.

You are beneath contempt.

[Karl Henning]

You are beneath contempt.

He certainly appears determined to earn the respect of no one.

[71 dB]

Tons of California delegates out of all 415 are not counted for yet so Bernie's delegate amount will come closer to Biden if not even above. So, this is not over yet.

Saagar Enjeti of The Hill makes an interesting observation: Biden didn't have to do a debate between South Carolina and Super Tuesday and it might have helped him, because he struggles speaking coherent sentences. In the next debate there won't be many candidates on stage and Biden has to speak a lot. People may (finally) notice his mental issues and support Bernie instead. We'll see, but there is still hope for the left.

You are beneath contempt.

Warren claims to be progressive and she knows she doesn't have a pathway to become the nominee. Why is she still in the race? To get a humiliating 3rd place at her home state? If she cares about progressive issues and fighting corruption as she keeps saying all the time she could have dropped out and endorsed Bernie before Super Tuesday, but she didn't do that not to mention all the backstabbing of Bernie in the recent months. Sorry, but she is a snake with an ego bigger than the will to improves the country. If Warren had been the front-runner and Bernie had been struggling at ~10 % of support Bernie would have dropped out and supported Warren to have someone at least mildly progressive in the White House. So, please! I AM NOT beneath contempt with this.

[71 dB]

This kind of aggressiveness towards people who mean and wish you well is not justified.

These are sensitive private issues. Surely you understand. I write too much. I tell too much and people here use it all against me.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME AT ALL!! SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU WANT TO HELP.

[71 dB]

You still do not perceive the difference: You see the word suggest?

Why do you think pepple suggest things? Because they are at least partial evidence for it. Hillary lost. In other words a moderate like Hillary doesn't win Trump. Is there a moderate who can beat Trump? If so, how do we know Biden is like that? Look at Biden speaking and imagine him against Trump. I hope Biden can win. People hoped Hillary won. Didn't happen... ...because of RUST BELT!

Bernie rules in the RUST BELT because his anti-outsourcing pro unions message resonates to the people living there. You can't be that stupid to not understand this.

[Karl Henning]

Sorry, but she is a snake with an ego bigger than

Look in a mirror lately?

[71 dB]

Look in a mirror lately?

I looked in my mirror, but I didn't see a presidential candidate. In other words, WHO CARES if I am a snake or not? I am not running for president.

[Karl Henning]

YOU ARE NOT HELPING ME AT ALL!! SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU WANT TO HELP.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOUR SORRY SELF AT ALL!! GET AND STAY THE FUCK OFF THIS THREAD IF YOU SINCERELY SEEK HELP.

[Karl Henning]

I looked in my mirror, but I didn't see a presidential candidate. In other words, WHO CARES if I am a snake or not? I am not running for president.

Talking about your sick unchecked ego, idiot! 

[drogulus]

Well, all right.  Although, the unexamined life, you know.

     The unlived life is not worth examining.

We'll see, but there is still hope for the left.

     The hope for the left doesn't depending on President Sanders, it depends on Sens. Sanders and Warren exerting pressure on the next Dem administration to follow through.

     Ideology doesn't automatically equip its owner with blinders about how politics actually works. You need different types and skill sets to work together. Sanders worked with Sen. McCain on reforming the Veterans Administration. Warren founded the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Trump wants to destroy.

     Repubs will sacrifice their first born to Moloch to get their tax cuts. They can't comprehend that Dems have to be pushed hard to even attempt to get what they want. Sanders and Warren are needed where they are.