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Re: Personality Types
« Reply #200 on: November 08, 2021, 12:24:13 AM »
It would have been useful if you could rank all four aspects in the insecure position. Not everyone has a "confident" or "flexible" aspect.

I revisited the 300 question IPIP out of curiosity (http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo300.htm), and also partly as a palate cleanser. My results are always the same (low OCEA, high N), because it's a more reliable scientific instrument, but examining the facets of the results did give some explanation for why other personality tests get things wrong. For example:
With openness (O) I score very low on the facet of Artistic Interest, since music is the only art I'm interested in, and also very low on both Emotionality and Intellect—thus why the MBTI, for example, can never determine my position in the T/F element—but very high on Liberalism (which, psychologically speaking, refers to an inability/lack of desire to follow rules, conventions and norms).
Extraversion (E) is low overall but I do score high on two facets (Gregariousness, i.e., deriving stimulation from the company of others, and Excitement-seeking, i.e., being easily bored).
With agreeableness (A) I score high on three facets (Cooperation, Modesty, Sympathy) but the average remains low because of very low scores on the other three facets (Trust, Morality, Altruism).
Neuroticism (N) maxes out the scale on five of the six aspects, i.e., surpassing the measuring capacity of the test and entering levels of clinical significance, which I was already aware of, but the sixth facet (Anger) has dropped to within the subclinical levels measurable by the test; conscientiousness (C) maxes out the scale in the opposite direction with all facets essentially zero, thereby also entering levels of clinical significance. This explains why personality tests cannot accurately "type" me when they test for facets of these particular factors (e.g., the J/P element of the MBTI), as they are based on averages from the general population, which I'm not part of.

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« Reply #201 on: November 08, 2021, 08:34:27 PM »
It would have been useful if you could rank all four aspects in the insecure position. Not everyone has a "confident" or "flexible" aspect.
Still trying to understand this system, brand new to it so not entirely sure what you mean by that.
It gave me "confident" for all 4 aspects. And 854 tritype. At least the tritype is close, should be more like 548 or 458 though.
(though thinking about the type 8, sp/sx is definitely a million times more suitable than the other subtypes... trying to look into more what the 8 sp actually is)


I revisited the 300 question IPIP out of curiosity (http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo300.htm), and also partly as a palate cleanser. My results are always the same (low OCEA, high N), because it's a more reliable scientific instrument, but examining the facets of the results did give some explanation for why other personality tests get things wrong. For example:
With openness (O) I score very low on the facet of Artistic Interest, since music is the only art I'm interested in, and also very low on both Emotionality and Intellect—thus why the MBTI, for example, can never determine my position in the T/F element—but very high on Liberalism (which, psychologically speaking, refers to an inability/lack of desire to follow rules, conventions and norms).
Extraversion (E) is low overall but I do score high on two facets (Gregariousness, i.e., deriving stimulation from the company of others, and Excitement-seeking, i.e., being easily bored).
With agreeableness (A) I score high on three facets (Cooperation, Modesty, Sympathy) but the average remains low because of very low scores on the other three facets (Trust, Morality, Altruism).
Neuroticism (N) maxes out the scale on five of the six aspects, i.e., surpassing the measuring capacity of the test and entering levels of clinical significance, which I was already aware of, but the sixth facet (Anger) has dropped to within the subclinical levels measurable by the test; conscientiousness (C) maxes out the scale in the opposite direction with all facets essentially zero, thereby also entering levels of clinical significance. This explains why personality tests cannot accurately "type" me when they test for facets of these particular factors (e.g., the J/P element of the MBTI), as they are based on averages from the general population, which I'm not part of.



as they are based on averages from the general population, which I'm not part of.
oh, not sure i understand that part... not apart of the general population? Fellow alien from Xyqwoxia?  :D

Sounds like this test is good for you, then.




I revisited the 300 question IPIP out of curiosity (http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo300.htm), and also partly as a palate cleanser. My
Ha, this was like an OCEAN test on steroids.
Will post my results on the next post.
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« Reply #202 on: November 08, 2021, 08:34:48 PM »
IPIP-NEO Narrative Report
NOTE: The report sent to your computer screen upon the completion of the IPIP-NEO is only a temporary web page. When you exit your web browser you will not be able to return to this URL to re-access your report. No copies of the report are sent to anyone. IF YOU WANT A PERMANENT COPY OF THE REPORT, YOU MUST SAVE THE WEB PAGE TO YOUR HARD DRIVE OR OTHER STORAGE MEDIUM, AND/OR PRINT THE REPORT WHILE YOU ARE STILL VIEWING IT IN YOUR WEB BROWSER. Probably the best way to save the report is to select and copy the entire page (Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C on most browsers), paste it into a word processor, and save the document.
This report compares ibanezmonster from the country USA to other adult men.

This report estimates the individual's level on each of the five broad personality domains of the Five-Factor Model. The description of each one of the five broad domains is followed by a more detailed description of personality according to the six subdomains that comprise each domain.

A note on terminology. Personality traits describe, relative to other people, the frequency or intensity of a person's feelings, thoughts, or behaviors. Possession of a trait is therefore a matter of degree. We might describe two individuals as extraverts, but still see one as more extraverted than the other. This report uses expressions such as "extravert" or "high in extraversion" to describe someone who is likely to be seen by others as relatively extraverted. The computer program that generates this report classifies you as low, average, or high in a trait according to whether your score is approximately in the lowest 30%, middle 40%, or highest 30% of scores obtained by people of your sex and roughly your age. Your numerical scores are reported and graphed as percentile estimates. For example, a score of "60" means that your level on that trait is estimated to be higher than 60% of persons of your sex and age.

Please keep in mind that "low," "average," and "high" scores on a personality test are neither absolutely good nor bad. A particular level on any trait will probably be neutral or irrelevant for a great many activities, be helpful for accomplishing some things, and detrimental for accomplishing other things. As with any personality inventory, scores and descriptions can only approximate an individual's actual personality. High and low score descriptions are usually accurate, but average scores close to the low or high boundaries might misclassify you as only average. On each set of six subdomain scales it is somewhat uncommon but certainly possible to score high in some of the subdomains and low in the others. In such cases more attention should be paid to the subdomain scores than to the broad domain score. Questions about the accuracy of your results are best resolved by showing your report to people who know you well.

John A. Johnson wrote descriptions of the five domains and thirty subdomains. These descriptions are based on an extensive reading of the scientific literature on personality measurement. Although Dr. Johnson would like to be acknowledged as the author of these materials if they are reproduced, he has placed them in the public domain.

Extraversion
Extraversion is marked by pronounced engagement with the external world. Extraverts enjoy being with people, are full of energy, and often experience positive emotions. They tend to be enthusiastic, action-oriented, individuals who are likely to say "Yes!" or "Let's go!" to opportunities for excitement. In groups they like to talk, assert themselves, and draw attention to themselves.
Introverts lack the exuberance, energy, and activity levels of extraverts. They tend to be quiet, low-key, deliberate, and disengaged from the social world. Their lack of social involvement should not be interpreted as shyness or depression; the introvert simply needs less stimulation than an extravert and prefers to be alone. The independence and reserve of the introvert is sometimes mistaken as unfriendliness or arrogance. In reality, an introvert who scores high on the agreeableness dimension will not seek others out but will be quite pleasant when approached.

DOMAIN/Facet   Score   
EXTRAVERSION   26   
..Friendliness   24   
..Gregariousness   10   
..Assertiveness   33   
..Activity Level   46   
..Excitement-Seeking   64   
..Cheerfulness   28   
Your score on Extraversion is low, indicating you are introverted, reserved, and quiet. You enjoy solitude and solitary activities. Your socializing tends to be restricted to a few close friends.

Extraversion Facets
Friendliness. Friendly people genuinely like other people and openly demonstrate positive feelings toward others. They make friends quickly and it is easy for them to form close, intimate relationships. Low scorers on Friendliness are not necessarily cold and hostile, but they do not reach out to others and are perceived as distant and reserved. Your level of friendliness is low.
Gregariousness. Gregarious people find the company of others pleasantly stimulating and rewarding. They enjoy the excitement of crowds. Low scorers tend to feel overwhelmed by, and therefore actively avoid, large crowds. They do not necessarily dislike being with people sometimes, but their need for privacy and time to themselves is much greater than for individuals who score high on this scale. Your level of gregariousness is low.
Assertiveness. High scorers Assertiveness like to speak out, take charge, and direct the activities of others. They tend to be leaders in groups. Low scorers tend not to talk much and let others control the activities of groups. Your level of assertiveness is average.
Activity Level. Active individuals lead fast-paced, busy lives. They move about quickly, energetically, and vigorously, and they are involved in many activities. People who score low on this scale follow a slower and more leisurely, relaxed pace. Your activity level is average.
Excitement-Seeking. High scorers on this scale are easily bored without high levels of stimulation. They love bright lights and hustle and bustle. They are likely to take risks and seek thrills. Low scorers are overwhelmed by noise and commotion and are averse to thrill-seeking. Your level of excitement-seeking is average.
Cheerfulness. This scale measures positive mood and feelings, not negative emotions (which are a part of the Neuroticism domain). Persons who score high on this scale typically experience a range of positive feelings, including happiness, enthusiasm, optimism, and joy. Low scorers are not as prone to such energetic, high spirits. Your level of positive emotions is low.
Agreeableness
Agreeableness reflects individual differences in concern with cooperation and social harmony. Agreeable individuals value getting along with others. They are therefore considerate, friendly, generous, helpful, and willing to compromise their interests with others'. Agreeable people also have an optimistic view of human nature. They believe people are basically honest, decent, and trustworthy.
Disagreeable individuals place self-interest above getting along with others. They are generally unconcerned with others' well-being, and therefore are unlikely to extend themselves for other people. Sometimes their skepticism about others' motives causes them to be suspicious, unfriendly, and uncooperative.

Agreeableness is obviously advantageous for attaining and maintaining popularity. Agreeable people are better liked than disagreeable people. On the other hand, agreeableness is not useful in situations that require tough or absolute objective decisions. Disagreeable people can make excellent scientists, critics, or soldiers.

DOMAIN/Facet   Score   
AGREEABLENESS   20   
..Trust   37   
..Morality   54   
..Altruism   12   
..Cooperation   31   
..Modesty   32   
..Sympathy   15   
Your score on Agreeableness is low, indicating less concern with others' needs Than with your own. People see you as tough, critical, and uncompromising.

Agreeableness Facets
Trust. A person with high trust assumes that most people are fair, honest, and have good intentions. Persons low in trust see others as selfish, devious, and potentially dangerous. Your level of trust is average.
Morality. High scorers on this scale see no need for pretense or manipulation when dealing with others and are therefore candid, frank, and sincere. Low scorers believe that a certain amount of deception in social relationships is necessary. People find it relatively easy to relate to the straightforward high-scorers on this scale. They generally find it more difficult to relate to the unstraightforward low-scorers on this scale. It should be made clear that low scorers are not unprincipled or immoral; they are simply more guarded and less willing to openly reveal the whole truth. Your level of morality is average.
Altruism. Altruistic people find helping other people genuinely rewarding. Consequently, they are generally willing to assist those who are in need. Altruistic people find that doing things for others is a form of self-fulfillment rather than self-sacrifice. Low scorers on this scale do not particularly like helping those in need. Requests for help feel like an imposition rather than an opportunity for self-fulfillment. Your level of altruism is low.
Cooperation. Individuals who score high on this scale dislike confrontations. They are perfectly willing to compromise or to deny their own needs in order to get along with others. Those who score low on this scale are more likely to intimidate others to get their way. Your level of cooperation is low.
Modesty. High scorers on this scale do not like to claim that they are better than other people. In some cases this attitude may derive from low self-confidence or self-esteem. Nonetheless, some people with high self-esteem find immodesty unseemly. Those who are willing to describe themselves as superior tend to be seen as disagreeably arrogant by other people. Your level of modesty is low.
Sympathy. People who score high on this scale are tenderhearted and compassionate. They feel the pain of others vicariously and are easily moved to pity. Low scorers are not affected strongly by human suffering. They pride themselves on making objective judgments based on reason. They are more concerned with truth and impartial justice than with mercy. Your level of tender-mindedness is low.
Conscientiousness
Conscientiousness concerns the way in which we control, regulate, and direct our impulses. Impulses are not inherently bad; occasionally time constraints require a snap decision, and acting on our first impulse can be an effective response. Also, in times of play rather than work, acting spontaneously and impulsively can be fun. Impulsive individuals can be seen by others as colorful, fun-to-be-with, and zany.
Nonetheless, acting on impulse can lead to trouble in a number of ways. Some impulses are antisocial. Uncontrolled antisocial acts not only harm other members of society, but also can result in retribution toward the perpetrator of such impulsive acts. Another problem with impulsive acts is that they often produce immediate rewards but undesirable, long-term consequences. Examples include excessive socializing that leads to being fired from one's job, hurling an insult that causes the breakup of an important relationship, or using pleasure-inducing drugs that eventually destroy one's health.

Impulsive behavior, even when not seriously destructive, diminishes a person's effectiveness in significant ways. Acting impulsively disallows contemplating alternative courses of action, some of which would have been wiser than the impulsive choice. Impulsivity also sidetracks people during projects that require organized sequences of steps or stages. Accomplishments of an impulsive person are therefore small, scattered, and inconsistent.

A hallmark of intelligence, what potentially separates human beings from earlier life forms, is the ability to think about future consequences before acting on an impulse. Intelligent activity involves contemplation of long-range goals, organizing and planning routes to these goals, and persisting toward one's goals in the face of short-lived impulses to the contrary. The idea that intelligence involves impulse control is nicely captured by the term prudence, an alternative label for the Conscientiousness domain. Prudent means both wise and cautious. Persons who score high on the Conscientiousness scale are, in fact, perceived by others as intelligent.

The benefits of high conscientiousness are obvious. Conscientious individuals avoid trouble and achieve high levels of success through purposeful planning and persistence. They are also positively regarded by others as intelligent and reliable. On the negative side, they can be compulsive perfectionists and workaholics. Furthermore, extremely conscientious individuals might be regarded as stuffy and boring. Unconscientious people may be criticized for their unreliability, lack of ambition, and failure to stay within the lines, but they will experience many short-lived pleasures and they will never be called stuffy.

DOMAIN/Facet   Score   
CONSCIENTIOUSNESS   37   
..Self-Efficacy   39   
..Orderliness   45   
..Dutifulness   27   
..Achievement-Striving   28   
..Self-Discipline   36   
..Cautiousness   62   
Your score on Conscientiousness is average. This means you are reasonably reliable, organized, and self-controlled.

Conscientiousness Facets
Self-Efficacy. Self-Efficacy describes confidence in one's ability to accomplish things. High scorers believe they have the intelligence (common sense), drive, and self-control necessary for achieving success. Low scorers do not feel effective, and may have a sense that they are not in control of their lives. Your level of self-efficacy is average.
Orderliness. Persons with high scores on orderliness are well-organized. They like to live according to routines and schedules. They keep lists and make plans. Low scorers tend to be disorganized and scattered. Your level of orderliness is average.
Dutifulness. This scale reflects the strength of a person's sense of duty and obligation. Those who score high on this scale have a strong sense of moral obligation. Low scorers find contracts, rules, and regulations overly confining. They are likely to be seen as unreliable or even irresponsible. Your level of dutifulness is low.
Achievement-Striving. Individuals who score high on this scale strive hard to achieve excellence. Their drive to be recognized as successful keeps them on track toward their lofty goals. They often have a strong sense of direction in life, but extremely high scores may be too single-minded and obsessed with their work. Low scorers are content to get by with a minimal amount of work, and might be seen by others as lazy. Your level of achievement striving is low.
Self-Discipline. Self-discipline-what many people call will-power-refers to the ability to persist at difficult or unpleasant tasks until they are completed. People who possess high self-discipline are able to overcome reluctance to begin tasks and stay on track despite distractions. Those with low self-discipline procrastinate and show poor follow-through, often failing to complete tasks-even tasks they want very much to complete. Your level of self-discipline is average.
Cautiousness. Cautiousness describes the disposition to think through possibilities before acting. High scorers on the Cautiousness scale take their time when making decisions. Low scorers often say or do first thing that comes to mind without deliberating alternatives and the probable consequences of those alternatives. Your level of cautiousness is average.
Neuroticism
Freud originally used the term neurosis to describe a condition marked by mental distress, emotional suffering, and an inability to cope effectively with the normal demands of life. He suggested that everyone shows some signs of neurosis, but that we differ in our degree of suffering and our specific symptoms of distress. Today neuroticism refers to the tendency to experience negative feelings. Those who score high on Neuroticism may experience primarily one specific negative feeling such as anxiety, anger, or depression, but are likely to experience several of these emotions. People high in neuroticism are emotionally reactive. They respond emotionally to events that would not affect most people, and their reactions tend to be more intense than normal. They are more likely to interpret ordinary situations as threatening, and minor frustrations as hopelessly difficult. Their negative emotional reactions tend to persist for unusually long periods of time, which means they are often in a bad mood. These problems in emotional regulation can diminish a neurotic's ability to think clearly, make decisions, and cope effectively with stress.
At the other end of the scale, individuals who score low in neuroticism are less easily upset and are less emotionally reactive. They tend to be calm, emotionally stable, and free from persistent negative feelings. Freedom from negative feelings does not mean that low scorers experience a lot of positive feelings; frequency of positive emotions is a component of the Extraversion domain.

DOMAIN/Facet   Score   
NEUROTICISM   69   
..Anxiety   60   
..Anger   84   
..Depression   55   
..Self-Consciousness   73   
..Immoderation   30   
..Vulnerability   82   
Your score on Neuroticism is high, indicating that you are easily upset, even by what most people consider the normal demands of living. People consider you to be sensitive and emotional.

Neuroticism Facets
Anxiety. The "fight-or-flight" system of the brain of anxious individuals is too easily and too often engaged. Therefore, people who are high in anxiety often feel like something dangerous is about to happen. They may be afraid of specific situations or be just generally fearful. They feel tense, jittery, and nervous. Persons low in Anxiety are generally calm and fearless. Your level of anxiety is average.
Anger. Persons who score high in Anger feel enraged when things do not go their way. They are sensitive about being treated fairly and feel resentful and bitter when they feel they are being cheated. This scale measures the tendency to feel angry; whether or not the person expresses annoyance and hostility depends on the individual's level on Agreeableness. Low scorers do not get angry often or easily. Your level of anger is high.
Depression. This scale measures the tendency to feel sad, dejected, and discouraged. High scorers lack energy and have difficult initiating activities. Low scorers tend to be free from these depressive feelings. Your level of depression is average.
Self-Consciousness. Self-conscious individuals are sensitive about what others think of them. Their concern about rejection and ridicule cause them to feel shy and uncomfortable around others. They are easily embarrassed and often feel ashamed. Their fears that others will criticize or make fun of them are exaggerated and unrealistic, but their awkwardness and discomfort may make these fears a self-fulfilling prophecy. Low scorers, in contrast, do not suffer from the mistaken impression that everyone is watching and judging them. They do not feel nervous in social situations. Your level of self-consciousness is high.
Immoderation. Immoderate individuals feel strong cravings and urges that they have have difficulty resisting. They tend to be oriented toward short-term pleasures and rewards rather than long- term consequences. Low scorers do not experience strong, irresistible cravings and consequently do not find themselves tempted to overindulge. Your level of immoderation is low.
Vulnerability. High scorers on Vulnerability experience panic, confusion, and helplessness when under pressure or stress. Low scorers feel more poised, confident, and clear-thinking when stressed. Your level of vulnerability is high.
Openness to Experience
Openness to Experience describes a dimension of cognitive style that distinguishes imaginative, creative people from down-to-earth, conventional people. Open people are intellectually curious, appreciative of art, and sensitive to beauty. They tend to be, compared to closed people, more aware of their feelings. They tend to think and act in individualistic and nonconforming ways. Intellectuals typically score high on Openness to Experience; consequently, this factor has also been called Culture or Intellect. Nonetheless, Intellect is probably best regarded as one aspect of openness to experience. Scores on Openness to Experience are only modestly related to years of education and scores on standard intelligent tests.
Another characteristic of the open cognitive style is a facility for thinking in symbols and abstractions far removed from concrete experience. Depending on the individual's specific intellectual abilities, this symbolic cognition may take the form of mathematical, logical, or geometric thinking, artistic and metaphorical use of language, music composition or performance, or one of the many visual or performing arts. People with low scores on openness to experience tend to have narrow, common interests. They prefer the plain, straightforward, and obvious over the complex, ambiguous, and subtle. They may regard the arts and sciences with suspicion, regarding these endeavors as abstruse or of no practical use. Closed people prefer familiarity over novelty; they are conservative and resistant to change.

Openness is often presented as healthier or more mature by psychologists, who are often themselves open to experience. However, open and closed styles of thinking are useful in different environments. The intellectual style of the open person may serve a professor well, but research has shown that closed thinking is related to superior job performance in police work, sales, and a number of service occupations.

DOMAIN/Facet   Score   
OPENNESS   82   
..Imagination   96   
..Artistic Interests   63   
..Emotionality   58   
..Adventurousness   76   
..Intellect   71   
..Liberalism   59   
Your score on Openness to Experience is high, indicating you enjoy novelty, variety, and change. You are curious, imaginative, and creative.

Openness Facets
Imagination. To imaginative individuals, the real world is often too plain and ordinary. High scorers on this scale use fantasy as a way of creating a richer, more interesting world. Low scorers are on this scale are more oriented to facts than fantasy. Your level of imagination is high.
Artistic Interests. High scorers on this scale love beauty, both in art and in nature. They become easily involved and absorbed in artistic and natural events. They are not necessarily artistically trained nor talented, although many will be. The defining features of this scale are interest in, and appreciation of natural and artificial beauty. Low scorers lack aesthetic sensitivity and interest in the arts. Your level of artistic interests is average.
Emotionality. Persons high on Emotionality have good access to and awareness of their own feelings. Low scorers are less aware of their feelings and tend not to express their emotions openly. Your level of emotionality is average.
Adventurousness. High scorers on adventurousness are eager to try new activities, travel to foreign lands, and experience different things. They find familiarity and routine boring, and will take a new route home just because it is different. Low scorers tend to feel uncomfortable with change and prefer familiar routines. Your level of adventurousness is high.
Intellect. Intellect and artistic interests are the two most important, central aspects of openness to experience. High scorers on Intellect love to play with ideas. They are open-minded to new and unusual ideas, and like to debate intellectual issues. They enjoy riddles, puzzles, and brain teasers. Low scorers on Intellect prefer dealing with either people or things rather than ideas. They regard intellectual exercises as a waste of time. Intellect should not be equated with intelligence. Intellect is an intellectual style, not an intellectual ability, although high scorers on Intellect score slightly higher than low-Intellect individuals on standardized intelligence tests. Your level of intellect is high.
Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties. Your level of liberalism is average.
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Re: Personality Types
« Reply #203 on: November 08, 2021, 08:46:49 PM »
Oh, and another random one I found a few days ago, just throwing it on here  :P

https://www.idrlabs.com/multiphasic-personality/test.php

(my results attached)
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« Reply #204 on: November 10, 2021, 09:25:27 AM »
There's a big 5 test that puts you into this "SLOAN" system.
https://similarminds.com/bigfive.html

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Big Five Test Results

Extroversion   ||||||   30%
Orderliness   ||||||||||||   48%
Emotional Stability   ||||||||||||   46%
Accommodation   ||||||   28%
Inquisitiveness   ||||||||||||||||||   74%

The Big Five is currently the most accepted personality model in the scientific community. The Big Five emerged from the work of multiple independent scientists/researchers starting in the 1950s who using different techniques obtained similar results. Those results were that there are five distinct personality traits/dimensions. Here are your results on each dimension:

Extroversion results were low which suggests you are very reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and private.

Orderliness results were medium which suggests you are moderately organized, structured, and self controlled while still remaining flexible, varied, and fun.

Emotional Stability results were medium which suggests you average somewhere in between being calm and resilient and being anxious and reactive.

Accommodation results were low which suggests you are overly selfish, uncooperative, and difficult at the expense too often of the well being of others.

Inquisitiveness results were high which suggests you are very intellectual, curious, imaginative but possibly not very practical.

Your Global5/SLOAN type is RLUEI
Your Primary type is Inquisitive


RLUEI type:
https://similarminds.com/global5/rluei.html


So I have to say, there are two questions on the quiz that are just bad, they have zero to do with personality. But the list of favored/disfavored careers is so hilariously accurate. I could have written that myself, same exact list for the last decade lol.
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Re: Personality Types
« Reply #205 on: November 11, 2021, 06:29:48 PM »
The simplest quiz, only takes 5 minutes, but I'd call it beautiful, tbh.

It lists a ton of personal values, you choose the top 10, and then they duel it out to make it to your top 5.

https://personalvalu.es/

My choices:

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Top 10 selected:
Pleasure
Adventure
Creativity
Curiosity
Authenticity
Uniqueness
Passion
Independence
Ambition
Freedom


Top 5 winners:
1. Freedom
2. Authenticity
3. Creativity
4. Curiosity
5. Passion
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Re: Personality Types
« Reply #206 on: November 11, 2021, 09:44:49 PM »
There's a big 5 test that puts you into this "SLOAN" system.
https://similarminds.com/bigfive.html


RLUEI type:
https://similarminds.com/global5/rluei.html


So I have to say, there are two questions on the quiz that are just bad, they have zero to do with personality. But the list of favored/disfavored careers is so hilariously accurate. I could have written that myself, same exact list for the last decade lol.
This one's a bit weird, since the results are not what I usually get from the big five—so I'm not sure if it's as scientific—but I was amused by the description.
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SLUEI
(3.8% of women; 3.5% of men)

prone to addiction, often late, does not think things work out for the best, impatient, discontent, negative, opinionated, acts without thinking, preoccupied with self, easily frustrated, not that interested in others, act at the expense of others, becomes aggressive when they feel hurt, acts wild and crazy, frustrated and angry when people don't live up to expectations, slow to forgive, takes charge, does not behave in way that is acceptable to society, pessimistic, agnostic/atheistic tendencies, not usually happy, not calm in crisis, does not accomplish work on time, spontaneous, not on good terms with everyone, demanding, misbehaved, improper, avoids responsibilities, not willing to let things rest, acts out frustrations on others, has a need to maintain high levels of excitement, rarely prepared, often bored while working, aggressive, asks questions nobody else does, hard to reason with, likes to be the center of attention, acts without planning, retaliatory, asks many questions, quick to correct others, more pleasure seeking than responsible, not hard working, disorganized, loses things, unable to control cravings
The method appears different, which may account for the differences. I looked in vain for a personality type whose favoured career path is unemployment. (That said, it is interesting that I am a music student and long hoped to have a career in music, and the vast majority of the career choices for this personality type are artistic. This could be meaningless of course, since almost everyone wants to be an artist; not many people have the right combination of what this quiz called Orderliness/Emotional Stability/Inquisitiveness to actually do so successfully.)

(Extraversion 60% / Orderliness 22% / Emotional Stability 0% / Accommodation 50% / Inquisitiveness 62%)
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« Reply #207 on: November 25, 2021, 03:40:38 PM »
Looking more into the Attitudinal Psyche system... took the short version of the quiz and got a different result. I don't trust either the quizzes or my ability to understand them.

But after reading the profiles and understanding the theory a bit more, I'm starting to get pretty confident that this is my type:

VELF (The Harbinger):
https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/personality-profiles/pente/velf/

It's the only one I can read about (and listen to an hour long video about) where I'm not hearing something that I object strongly to. And mostly it seem pretty accurate.



I looked in vain for a personality type whose favoured career path is unemployment.
INFP maybe? lol
What is the reason for you to prefer unemployment?
I only have a career for money. I'd also prefer unemployment, but have money- the problem is being unable to care about what other people want, enough to dedicate 40 hours a week to it. Even entrepreneurs have a boss- the market itself. So it's just an illusion, you are subject to doing what others want regardless, because that's how money works, unless you are a thief and can get away with it. It's kinda hopeless tbh, even if I could have my dream job as a composer, I'd probably grow to hate it because I'm only composing because others are requesting me to, and have certain expectations, and that takes the fun out of it. So probably best to do it on the side and leave it as my fun projects.

btw I had assumed everyone is like that, but I asked a coworker what he'd do if he got enough money to not have to work, and he said he didn't know, he'd probably still work.  ???
So this might be a personality thing, indeed, rather than a general human thing?
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« Reply #208 on: November 30, 2021, 02:00:40 PM »
Had a short discussion with the creator of the Attitudinal Psyche system (originally it was based on a Russian system but won't go into that) after posting the best, somewhat detailed descriptions I could of my attitudes toward the four positions.

He said he was pretty confident I'm this type:

VLEF:
https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/personality-profiles/pente/vlef/


Very glad that to get an answer, was actually starting to lose sleep trying to figure out how this system works and which type I am.  ;D :P
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« Reply #209 on: December 06, 2021, 07:40:44 PM »
Retook the Attitudinal Psyche test and got the results that are accurate now. Reason why is that the questions are really hard to answer, you need a lot of time to actually think about this stuff, since these are life patterns that no one really thinks about much. I actually even heard the creator of the test saying that people my type will mistype often as the type I originally typed as. (btw, my type is also his favorite! lol)
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So basically, now that I've figured out my type in all of the typing systems, I've found one page that has the results that I get all together on one page.
It's the Chaotic Neutral page on personalitydb. The top votes for everything are the same results I get for 6 out of 7 of these systems. Considering how unlikely that is, there's obviously something to this.
(this site doesn't have OPS (Objective Personality System) yet, though)


Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Enneagram: 548 sp/sx
MBTI: INTP
Big 5: RLUEI
AP: LVEF
Temperament: Melancholic-Choleric
Socionics: It shows ILI and I took the test once and got LII, only small exception here, that is third place in votes
https://www.personality-database.com/profile/83518


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A chaotic neutral character is an individualist who follows their own heart and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although chaotic neutral characters promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first; good and evil come second to their need to be free.
I feel like this also describe where on the political compass I'd fit, without taking any tests I'd put the dot on the location of moderate (no left/right) libertarian.


At this point, probably not much more to explore regarding my own type, probably will just continue the habit of typing others for fun, and trying to understand more nuances of the systems.
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« Reply #210 on: December 07, 2021, 12:33:00 AM »
INFP maybe? lol
What is the reason for you to prefer unemployment?
I only have a career for money. I'd also prefer unemployment, but have money- the problem is being unable to care about what other people want, enough to dedicate 40 hours a week to it. Even entrepreneurs have a boss- the market itself. So it's just an illusion, you are subject to doing what others want regardless, because that's how money works, unless you are a thief and can get away with it. It's kinda hopeless tbh, even if I could have my dream job as a composer, I'd probably grow to hate it because I'm only composing because others are requesting me to, and have certain expectations, and that takes the fun out of it. So probably best to do it on the side and leave it as my fun projects.

btw I had assumed everyone is like that, but I asked a coworker what he'd do if he got enough money to not have to work, and he said he didn't know, he'd probably still work.  ???
So this might be a personality thing, indeed, rather than a general human thing?

I feel this way because of my INTJ/P personality type. I think INTPs can ideally enjoy their jobs, but work can also easily have aspects that as you say "take the fun out of it". I totally agree about the "Even entrepreneurs have a boss- the market itself." thing and for INTPs it is perhaps typical to see this kind of truths that are strangely invisible for others.

It is not only about what tasks the job incorporates, but also about when, in what order, in what priority and at what speed are those tasks supposed to be done. INTPs enjoy doing things slowly and in their own way. That isn't possible most of the time.
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« Reply #211 on: December 10, 2021, 07:43:01 PM »
It is not only about what tasks the job incorporates, but also about when, in what order, in what priority and at what speed are those tasks supposed to be done. INTPs enjoy doing things slowly and in their own way. That isn't possible most of the time.
I totally agree with the exception of speed- really depends on the activity, sometimes going as fast as possible can be an adrenaline rush- and tbh, something I crave, really makes me feel alive. Generally, I'm more slow-paced when dealing with people because I'm usually just not interested in engagement at all, and know that you can't make people go faster, so no point in expending extra energy on them. It's almost like spontaneous procrastination.

In the middle of a Dr.K video about ADHD, it's enlightening and reminded me about:

One thing about the P/J (aka hunter vs. farmer) dichotomy that I think it's overlooking is the aspect of volition, which the AP system has as an attribute while no other typing system has it, despite its importance.

What I'm starting to think is naturally I'm quite a bit more of a P, but in reality I might outwardly appear as more of a J simply due to knowing that J's actually achieve more, and you have to be more J-like to function in modern society, anyways.

If you have high volition, you will set goals for yourself, making your own schedules and directing your own life (despite what others want from you), which is very J-like- but at the same time, if you are a "Perceiver" then you will kind of hate having schedules in the first place and tend to get bored easily with routine. So there's conflicting feelings within the same dimension.

But yeah, just some new thoughts I'm working out, all of these ideas are really starting to coalesce now.
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« Reply #212 on: December 10, 2021, 08:00:52 PM »
Also, not sure I mentioned this or not, but someone in the typing group I'm in typed me when I sent a video to him in the Vultology system, a few months ago.

https://cognitivetype.com/what-is-vultology/

It's basically just visual typing, types your movements and speech style, just any info they can get visually, and relate it back to the Jungian functions.

I got Ne/Fi, with semi-conscious Te.

Had a feeling I'd get Ne because it's "loose," constant body swaying and eye movement (that's not fixed to body position- Se is, though). Sitting still is hard for me in general. I can't even watch a movie without wanting to pick up guitar and move my fingers, or fidget somehow, unless the movie is insanely good. Probably why something as stimulating as Cloverfield is my favorite movie.

The semi-conscious Te means that there is some more direct/aggressive body language, but it is secondary to the Fi body language (which seems to be more middle-faced scrunched-up movements and such).

So by MBTI standards, if you were to believe in typing only by body behavior (rather than life patterns), which is probably more accurate IMO, then I'd actually be an INFP. The most stereotypical type for creative people that have problems fitting into society.  :P
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« Reply #213 on: December 12, 2021, 05:09:41 PM »
I feel this way because of my INTJ/P personality type. I think INTPs can ideally enjoy their jobs, but work can also easily have aspects that as you say "take the fun out of it". I totally agree about the "Even entrepreneurs have a boss- the market itself." thing and for INTPs it is perhaps typical to see this kind of truths that are strangely invisible for others.

It is not only about what tasks the job incorporates, but also about when, in what order, in what priority and at what speed are those tasks supposed to be done. INTPs enjoy doing things slowly and in their own way. That isn't possible most of the time.
Just another thought.
You know the cognitive functions, right? Te/Ti, Fe/Fi, for example?

The thing with INTP's is that they are using the Ti function. It's introverted, so it needs it's own space and time. It can't be rushed and it's sporadic.
Te = Agile Methodology
Give people quick solutions. They might not be permanent, because you haven't taken the time needed that Ti has taken to process and understand how things work deeply. Ti can use that understanding to provide permanent solutions. But business doesn't work that way- it works best in the Te way. Quick money transfer- I have this problem, fix it, I pay you. It might have the same problem again, I have to pay you again, etc. It's a better business model for companies (more like a subscription service). With Ti you can end up doing crazy stuff like coding Python automation to automate yourself out of your own job. All of the great geniuses of history use Ti to make insights or discoveries that have changed the world and stood the test of time- they are likely to be things people didn't even know that they wanted or needed (unlike the Te function).

The great parallel of this is the Fi/Fe version. An example of how I understood this is my approach to music composition versus someone else- we were both officially typed in OPS, he was Fe and I'm Fi. What he's doing with the Fe is looking at a specific genre and realizing that there is a market for it, and decides to write music in this particular genre. That's fine, but it's limited in the sense that you might have temporary popularity within that crowd, but your music is much less likely to stand the test of time- what I'm trying to do in the Fi sense is to create stuff that no one has ever heard before. People won't know that they want it until they hear it, because people only can verbally express what they want to hear as in what they already know that they've heard. All of the greatest music that stood the test of time was very much unique for its time, unmistakable for anyone else- it's all done with Fi. Fi people creates the waves if they can break through the market somehow (which is going to be even more difficult than Fe people), while Fe people ride the wave, more easily marketing themselves as this genre or that genre, but their audience is gone in 10-20 years once the trend dies out.
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« Reply #214 on: February 14, 2022, 03:55:38 PM »


Really like this, it can be a shorthand way to get your enneagram type, probably the quickest way if anything sticks out to you immediately. Actually excellent choice of words IMO.

Ex. my tritype, 548 = avoiding emptiness, despair, and weakness. Pick three.

I think the avoiding means that you might have a tendency to feel those sort of negative emotions more strongly than the others, and that's what you are trying to avoid. If you read broad descriptions of the type, more things might be applicable to you just due to the fact of a lifetime trying to avoid those specific feelings leads to certain life characteristics or patterns forming.
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« Reply #215 on: February 20, 2022, 04:41:20 PM »
Small corrections:

This is better:

6- probably several better words to use than Deviance, you kind of have to stretch it a bit to fit, though it captures the gist of it
7- Negativity (instead of pain)

For 4, there was an interesting discussion mentioning that it should be Mundanity instead, which is correct. And Mundanity is what leads to despair.

Would be nice to know others that understand what that is- depression caused by feelings of your life, routine, etc. feeling too mundane. Because most depression is usually thought of as related to low self-esteem, but I never really hear of it being caused by the feeling of crippling boredom and dullness (which is not caused by a lack of activity, it is caused by being forced to focus on boring work all day and not enough time to do exciting things). So it can be hard to explain to people. And unsolvable if exciting work doesn't provide a livable wage.

The low self-esteem thing can be more applicable to social 4's. Seems like this gets way more attention.
Self-preservation 4's, I think, can have the above condition- to them, self-esteem issues may not be a thing, entirely.
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« Reply #216 on: March 22, 2022, 06:36:55 PM »
I just did some heavy research the last day or two on enneagram type 6 (the counterphobic version especially), the reason being that certain tests detect test-taking patterns that may indicate that you are a type 6. While I understand that, the more I researched it, the more I felt like that type definitely wasn't me at all, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.



I found some stat distribution of types and gender from two different sites, with an extremely large sample size.

https://enneagram.bz/en/test/stats/1-enneagram-population-distribution


Here's an old one:

http://www.9types.com/rheti/stats.html



The one thing that stands out the most is how my type (type 5) is the most overwhelmingly male. This type is naturally oriented towards solitary and investigative work. The white collar version is something like computer programming and the blue collar ratio is something like auto mechanics. It would explain the gender ratios I have seen in tech school.

Also, type 9 is clearly the most common type.
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« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2022, 07:01:11 PM »
Another interesting observation about those stats.

The whole idea of "Sigma male" or "Alpha Male" come into play here, terms which I think are completely stupid, btw, but kind of interesting and funny.

But there is a pretty solid agreement that the tritype of Sigma Males is 853 and Alpha Males is 873 (order of numbers is unimportant for these archetypes). On personalitydb you can find entries for both archetypes and
the distinction is quite precise- changing the 7 to 5 is just changing the careless extroversion of the Alpha Male to the more introspective version of the Sigma Male, but both remain tough and disagreeable archetypes.

Statistically, 583 (especially if ordered in that way) is the most masculine tritype, basically the Sigma Male is more masculine.

I've always heard about a correlation between men and low agreeableness on the Big 5, but am seeing a sort of cross-correlation here:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Enneagram/comments/thshgo/enneagram_big_5_correlations/i1g5y4u/?context=3

I commented how 358 (again, order doesn't matter) is the least agreeable tritype. This correlates exactly. (btw I've looked at the r/SigmaGrindset subreddit lately, it's pretty funny, but it's super dark and not for the faint of heart- should not be taken serious at all, though surely it will be taken down eventually, as it goes into extremely politically incorrect territory for that type of humor).

The alpha male is able to play along with society a bit better, the sigma is more reticent, but more masculine.


Hopefully they don't come up with some stupid archetype that ends up being regarded as 548, I don't want a label.  :P



For most feminine tritypes, looks like 269 and 469 are the two most.
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« Reply #218 on: April 07, 2022, 10:08:28 AM »
Even since I took MBTI tests and got the INTJ results with very narrow margin to INTP, I have felt like "missing" strengths  and weaknesses related to "J" and "P" because I am so close to the middle. Then it occured me, that these axes are probably linked to each other. In electromagnetic radiation electric and magnetic fields are orthogonal to each other: When magnetic field reaches its maximum, electric field become zero and vice versa. The electric field can be described using a rotating vector.

What if the axes of personality types are linked to each other this way? If you are for example extremely introverted, your possibilities being very judgemental are limited and vice versa. What if our personality is just a "vector" in multidimensional space of mutually orthogonal axes of personality traits? If my personality today is a bit different from what it was yesterday, it is because my personality vector has rotated a little bit in the multidimensional personality space.

So, I took my first MBTI score:

83 % Introverted
64 % Intuitive
56 % Thinking
53 % Judgemental

and transformed them on axes where for example 1.0 N ( = -1.0 S) means 100 % intuitive and 0.66 F ( = -0.66 T) means 83 % Feeling:

0.66 I
0.28 N
0.12 T
0.06 J

The vector from "origo" to these "personality" coordinates has length ≈0.73 assuming the personality type space is euclidean. This length "should" be 1 (a versor in 4-dimensional quaternion vector space) so that is describes "whole" personality. The fact that it is not very close to 1 points to several possible issues such as:

- My assumption of personality being a unity vector in personality space is wrong.
- MBTI test scores are inaccurate and mathematically inconsistent
- Personality space is not euclidean, but for example hyperbolic.
- Many personality traits are missing from MBTI test making the personality vector too short.

It would be interesting to calculate the length of personality vector for every person who has taken the MBTI test to see if it is consistently say between 0.7 and 0.75 and if not then if there is a simple way to scale the test results so that the length is almost the same for everybody. Anyway I can "normalize" my result:

0.66 I/0.73 = 0.90 I => 95 % Introverted
0.28 N/0.73 = 0.38 N => 69 % Intuitive
0.12 T/0.73 = 0.16 T => 58 % Thinking
0.06 J/0.73 = 0.08 J => 54 % Judgemental

This assumes my whole personality is "packed" into these 4 axes. This is a bit math heavy, but people on MGM seem to be good at math, so this should not be too complicated to follow.



 
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« Reply #219 on: April 09, 2022, 02:25:39 PM »
- Many personality traits are missing from MBTI test making the personality vector too short.
Yeah, not sure if you'll discover anything useful, considering this. You would need all of the variables, and there are infinite.

Even now, discovering with tritype theory for enneagram that you can find a commonality between any three types and it produces a new trait that will be expressed strongly in one's personality. So lots of possibilities.
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