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Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« on: March 14, 2013, 06:10:06 AM »
I was going to cross-post this in the Alexander Tcherepnin thread, but then realized we don't have one!

Newly arrived today...

Alexander Tcherepnin: Piano Music Vol. 1



A disc I'd targeted for some time, and I'm very happy indeed. To give some idea, Tcherepnin's father studied with Rimsky-Korsakov and taught Prokofiev, and Tcherepnin himself was friends with Martinu, Honegger and Roussel. So his early piano music (1918-1926) is right in a sweet spot of lyrical, rhythmical modernity that I enjoy very much. The later works are more experimental, harmonically free, and adventurous.

I suppose we can talk about the other members of the Tcherepnin family, but Alexander's the one whose piano music has caught my eye - and, as I recall, whose orchestral works are long favorites of Cato's...

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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 06:48:20 AM »
Talk about synchronicity!  I had been thinking about Tcherepnin and whether we had a topic for him, because this is Russian Symphony Month, but at that moment I was unable to check.  I intend to revisit the symphonies as a result.

A CD with the complete piano music!  I had also just skimmed through Amazon looking for new releases and did not see that one!

New people might not have gleaned that I was in contact with Mr. Tcherepnin and his wife back in the 1960's and 1970's.  I was not an official student, but he graciously accepted my juvenilia and encouraged me to continue composing, as opposed to "Kid, find a job down at the docks!"  8)   We also had discussions on aesthetics.

To be sure, Tcherepnin's works tend to be more Liadovian: the 4 symphonies are modest in scope, not epic like many of those by Prokofiev and (of course) Shostakovich.  This is not a criticism, but simply the observation that the emotional content is subtle: the epic may be there in any case, but hidden and very concise.

I have found his works in a general way parallel with Honegger's


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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 06:51:36 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 08:08:37 AM »
A CD with the complete piano music!  I had also just skimmed through Amazon looking for new releases and did not see that one!

An entire series, no less! Volume 2 is also out, and I can assure that the performances are excellent. I'm not sure how many CDs the project will ultimately run to, but I will be collecting them.

This might be a place for you to gather any Tcherepnin stories or insights you may have gleaned, should you like to do so.  :)

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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2013, 06:41:30 AM »
All I know is he gets low marks at GMG. All I've got is an inconsequential, very short, String Quartet on an old VoxBox.

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2013, 07:00:42 AM »
Hmm, I've got 3 works on the EMI box set of Tortelier (the cellist): a piano trio, a duo for violin and cello and a solo cello suite.

Unfortunately, all I can tell you off the top of my head is that the piano trio is one of the few things in my music collection that I actively dislike.  I seem to remember the other 2 works were a little better, but none of them especially inclined me to investigate more.  Tcherepnin afficionados are free to tell me what they think of the piano trio as a work, or as a recording.
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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2013, 08:18:40 AM »
All I know is he gets low marks at GMG. All I've got is an inconsequential, very short, String Quartet on an old VoxBox.

GMG?  What the hell do they know?  ;)

I have the Bis set of orchestral music, and I thought the piano concertos were great.  It doesn't hurt that Noriko Ogawa's playing is a delight to the ears.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2013, 09:53:38 AM »
GMG?  What the hell do they know?  ;)

I have the Bis set of orchestral music, and I thought the piano concertos were great.  It doesn't hurt that Noriko Ogawa's playing is a delight to the ears.
I have just the Brilliant-licensed set of the piano concertos, great stuff. And the Five Chinese Concert Etudes (Jenny Lin: Chinoiserie) are very nice indeed.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 07:25:26 AM »
While writing about Tcherepnin elsewhere... http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21525.120.html

...I decided to dig around to see if some old recordings from the 1960's were floating around on CD's.  A German company named Colosseum offers Tcherepnin's Symphonic Prayer, 5 Russian Dances, and the Ballet Suite from The Abyss.

They seem disconnected from Amazon.

http://www.colosseum.de/product_info.php/info/p2462_MEISTERWERKE-DER-WELT.html

The Abyss ballet suite is first-rate, and the Symphonic Prayer has stayed around.  My original vinyl record did not have the 5 Russian Dances, so I cannot comment on that.
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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 09:33:25 AM »
I need to dig out my Tcherepnin box set released on BIS and give a whirl. I don't think I have listened to one note of his music yet. Where should I start?

The box set in question:

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 10:51:02 AM »
I need to dig out my Tcherepnin box set released on BIS and give a whirl. I don't think I have listened to one note of his music yet. Where should I start?

The box set in question:



If you want, one of his top works is the Second Piano Concerto, although the first two symphonies are not bad either.
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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2013, 10:51:50 AM »
If you want, one of his top works is the Second Piano Concerto, although the first two symphonies are not bad either.

Kudos, Cato. I'll check those out.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 10:41:12 AM »
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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2013, 11:05:58 AM »
Again let me recommend (at least) the first two Tcherepnin symphonies:



This also offers the Fifth Piano Concerto, which I have grown to like quite a bit throughout the years.

c. 45 years ago I (daringly) told Mr. Tcherepnin that the Second Piano Concerto was superior to the Fifth.  His reaction was very tolerant (he was probably amused), now that I look back at it.

Now I would say that the Fifth shows how his style evolved over the decades.
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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2013, 06:21:29 PM »
How does one tell Tansman from Tcherepnin?

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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2013, 06:46:01 PM »
How does one tell Tansman from Tcherepnin?

The Interpoint technique and the 9-tone scales would help.

To be sure, Tansman was also interested in ethnic/exotic music, but is perhaps more influenced by the neoclassical movement than Tcherepnin, and by Jewish traditions.



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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 12:07:13 PM »
Volume Three of the piano music is out now!



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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2013, 07:48:43 PM »
Tansman to me is almost a 7th member of Les Six, since he fits into that French neoclassical mold. Tcherepnin is a very varied composer that not only developed those 9 tone scales but also dabbled in exoticism. Just compare the Piano Concerto No. 4 and Piano Concerto No. 5. The two works could not be further apart stylistically.
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Re: Tcherepnin's Tchreasure Tchest
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2013, 11:04:05 AM »
I have completed listening to entire CD, which I mentioned a day or two ago elsewhere: highly recommended, either for those who have heard some of Tcherepnin's works, or for those completely unacquainted.




Also recommended to the skeptics!   0:)
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2013, 06:38:34 PM »
I have completed listening to entire CD, which I mentioned a day or two ago elsewhere: highly recommended, either for those who have heard some of Tcherepnin's works, or for those completely unacquainted.




Also recommended to the skeptics!   0:)

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