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« Reply #2361 on: July 02, 2020, 04:52:18 PM »
People in Alabama are throwing COVID-19 parties with a payout when one gets infected: official

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/people-in-alabama-are-throwing-covid-19-parties-with-a-payout-when-one-gets-infected-official-1.5007903

That seems to be one of those stories that gets publicity but is not actually true.
When you dig through the stories, it's officials saying they have been told such parties happen but no case in which it actually happened.

There probably were parties with at least one person attending despite being infected, but no known case of anyone voluntarily getting infected.

I would bet the origin of this is some very dark humor by a bored college kid.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2362 on: July 02, 2020, 05:13:01 PM »
We've had 22 community outbreaks in the last 7 days here in San Diego County.  Hospitals seem to be holding up so far.

https://sdcounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/30b5e0fa2a5f4404b1219d8cd16b2583

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2363 on: July 02, 2020, 05:51:03 PM »
We've had 22 community outbreaks in the last 7 days here in San Diego County.  Hospitals seem to be holding up so far.

https://sdcounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/30b5e0fa2a5f4404b1219d8cd16b2583

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« Reply #2364 on: July 02, 2020, 05:57:21 PM »
Good luck!

Well, I've been self-isolating since early March, so I'm fine, if a little stir-crazy.  But I feel for anyone who has to choose between paying rent and getting sick.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2365 on: July 02, 2020, 06:34:03 PM »
Well, I've been self-isolating since early March, so I'm fine, if a little stir-crazy.  But I feel for anyone who has to choose between paying rent and getting sick.

Yes, I do, too. I’ve been in self-quarantine since late March and it’s quite disheartening to know that some people have to continue to work because they have no other choice. People who work in the hospitals, pharmacies, grocery stores and restaurants my hat goes off to you. These are the people who we should thanking everyday.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2366 on: July 02, 2020, 10:30:14 PM »
Yes, I do, too. I’ve been in self-quarantine since late March and it’s quite disheartening to know that some people have to continue to work because they have no other choice. People who work in the hospitals, pharmacies, grocery stores and restaurants my hat goes off to you. These are the people who we should thanking everyday.

Governement support to continue paying everybody to stay home in order to get the epidemic under control, has proven to be the more succesfull strategy. And it limits the economic damage (to a certain extent) as well.

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« Reply #2367 on: July 03, 2020, 04:39:37 AM »
I live in a rural area where there have been very few cases. The only concrete local case I heard of was a 70+ year old gentleman who was diagnosed in early May. He was a dedicated anti-masker. He'd been cooking part-time at 2 restaurants while not masked up; both had to close for 2 weeks after his diagnosis and other employees had to self-quarantine (though I'm not certain all complied). Heard that he passed away about a week ago.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2368 on: July 03, 2020, 12:00:47 PM »
In the Uk there’s a system of home testing, if you have symptoms you can request a test online to be delivered to your house, you send it back and get the results. If positive, they are supposed to ask for contacts and ask them to isolate.

On Wednesday I got an email asking me to volunteer to do the test. I said yes and the test arrived this morning, 36 hours after requesting it. I don't have symptoms.

The process of requesting it online is easy, they ask for your NI and NHS number but you can just say you don't know. They check your identity in some way, but they reassure you that it's not a credit check. It takes a few minutes and is no harder than filling in a return form for amazon, for example. They send you a couple of confirmation emails telling you to expect a package, with help line numbers and a brief summary of what you should do when you get it.

The test pack was waiting for me on my doorstep when I got up this morning, with the milk.

There is an instruction booklet. It is in pretty plain English. Only English, and I don’t recall being asked about languages when I applied. There are a lot of instructions to follow. It is a bit on the same level as making some flatpack furniture. What I mean is, it's perfectly possible to bodge it, you may think the shelves are fine, but they haven't been made as they should and there are some bits you haven't used, worryingly. With bookshelves it doesn't matter, with this  . . . it matters a bit more maybe.

Performing the test itself was uncomfortable for me, but not a major problem. If you panic when the dentist wants to put something in your mouth, you'll find it a very challenging hurdle. But for me, that side of it was fine.

When you've done the test, you still have a lot to do. The swab has to be labelled correctly -- so you have to find the label. It has to go into a container, that container then goes into another container, the second container goes into a third, the whole sealed.  and then you have to construct by origami a fourth container to put the other three into -- which in turn to be sealed in the correct way. Worryingly, the origami  box didn't really fit the sample in all those containers, I had to bang and sit on it to make it close  -- I wonder what I did wrong.

You then have to post it at a designated priority post box, which you find through a Royal Mail website. When you log in, it asks to use your present location, but in my case didn't function correctly (it basically just seemed to construct a postcode at random) so the post boxes it came up with were hopeless. No probs. I have a helpline number -- 131.

131 answered the phone very quickly and a cheerful lady told me some nearby priority post boxes (all very convenient) and then I was just saying goodbye when she said  . . .  and this is the killer "have you registered your test yet?"

Now, I have many degrees including a doctorate, I have done some mildly responsible jobs without failing, my kids are pretty happy adults, so I kind of see myself as an at least averagely capable person. But if she hadn't asked me I would have forgotten to register and so I would not have received my test results and probably, if positive, my contacts would not have been traced.

But it's all OK because she'll do it for me (normally you're supposed to do it online.) What a palava!  She had to type a long code which was my order code (big panic finding the email with it on), a long code which was my test sample code, and a long code which was the postage code. All very long, all potential typo traps.

That process of registration seems to me a major weakness in the system so far. Why it couldn't have all been done automatically I do not know.

Anyway she said 72 hours maximum to get the test results. Boris is promising to turn these things round in 24.
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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2369 on: July 03, 2020, 02:28:13 PM »
Seems like your DIY test was as easy as mounting an Ikea piece of furniture  :D.

I got tested in May at a local health service centre and in June at a mobile unit close to my home. Negative both times. The second time around was very uncomfortable, close to being downright painful. I suppose it depends on the state of one’s mucous membranes at the moment of the test.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2370 on: July 03, 2020, 03:00:40 PM »
Trump has solved the immigration problem with Mexico.

Have the country infected by a virus and Mexico is then forced to close the border with the United States.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2371 on: July 03, 2020, 03:19:50 PM »
A rather poorly argued and occasionally insulting article from Politico, who usually do much better:

What Sweden can teach us about coronavirus

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« Reply #2372 on: July 03, 2020, 03:52:31 PM »
A rather poorly argued and occasionally insulting article from Politico, who usually do much better:

What Sweden can teach us about coronavirus

I didn't find the article that bad, but it's really far from new. I've already read more than one analysis of the Swedish approach.
As an American it's completely irrelevant, because all that could never happen here.

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« Reply #2373 on: July 03, 2020, 04:08:04 PM »
I found the parallel they drew between their wartime commitment and their corona response spurious. I was insulted by their subtle suggestion that the statistics for rest home deaths were less important, and by libertarian nonsense like this: "Treating citizens as children lacking the judgment to make wise decisions is not a sustainable approach. Addressing a prolonged crisis, or one that comes in repeated waves, will require citizens to be active and responsible participants in their security — not mere recipients of government instructions.", which I think is more the author's projection rather than something the Swedes themselves might say, especially as two paragraphs later we get " 93 percent of the population say they are following social-distancing recommendations", ie government instructions.
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« Reply #2374 on: July 03, 2020, 04:16:20 PM »
Yes, the wartime parallel seems dubious and forced. That's (and the preachy tone) what mainly differentiates the article from the previous Sweden analysis I read (probably Bloomberg and/or BBC, I forget sources), which more directly addressed the high mortality in care homes.

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Re: Coronavirus thread
« Reply #2375 on: July 03, 2020, 04:55:43 PM »
Well, I've been self-isolating since early March, so I'm fine, if a little stir-crazy.  But I feel for anyone who has to choose between paying rent and getting sick.

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« Reply #2376 on: July 03, 2020, 09:01:59 PM »
Also, you don't compare Sweden say with Portugal for a different approach for strategy and death tolls, when the neighbouring countries of Norway, Finland and Denmark are right at hand. The sector for the elderly, which should be illustrative of a community spirit, has worked very bad in Sweden, with a lot of fatalities; critical ill, elderly patients have been denied treatment - and schools were often forbidden to tell parents of virus in the classes, whereas they were allowed to tell about ordinary flus etc. And the amount of testing in Sweden has been low too. I agree that it's a bad article with only incomplete and very selective information.
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