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Offline mikkeljs

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Scriabins Temple
« on: November 20, 2007, 05:44:56 AM »
I found a recording of Scriabins last unfinished Preperation for the final Mystery realized by Nemtin. And I read in the cd booklet, that Scriabin believed in some kind of higher level of existence, and that he had serious thoughts about, how his work should transform the human race of the performers and perhabs listeners. 

Do you believe in his idea?

greg

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Re: Scriabins Temple
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 06:12:28 AM »
transform them into what? Transformers?

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 04:22:17 PM »
I found a recording of Scriabins last unfinished Preperation for the final Mystery realized by Nemtin. And I read in the cd booklet, that Scriabin believed in some kind of higher level of existence, and that he had serious thoughts about, how his work should transform the human race of the performers and perhabs listeners. 

Do you believe in his idea?

Although I love Scriabin's music, I don't share his views.  Scriabin was quite ego-centric and perhaps even a nut-job.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 04:23:10 PM »
transform them into what? Transformers?

You've been playing with toys too often. :D

greg

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 04:23:20 PM »
Although I love Scriabin's music, I don't share his views.  Scriabin was quite ego-centric and perhaps even a nut-job.
perhabs?

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 04:23:59 PM »
You've been playing with toys too often. :D
actually, i think the only reason i can remember their existence is because of the movie lol

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 04:27:21 PM »
actually, i think the only reason i can remember their existence is because of the movie lol

You went to see it?

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 04:30:08 PM »
You went to see it?
yeah, with my family.
really good movie, have you seen it?

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 04:30:57 PM »
Do you believe in his idea?

No. If anything it's a reminder of the worst aspects of the Aestheticism "movement" (in quotations because I don't think it can be called a movement per se). People tend to diminish Scriabin's art by citing his "decadent" personality, when they should really be able to appreciate his mastery despite this.

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 04:38:02 PM »
yeah, with my family.
really good movie, have you seen it?

I wouldn't see it at the theatre, on Netflix or on free tv stations.  I'll leave that to the young folks in the world.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 04:38:58 PM »
No. If anything it's a reminder of the worst aspects of the Aestheticism "movement" (in quotations because I don't think it can be called a movement per se). People tend to diminish Scriabin's art by citing his "decadent" personality, when they should really be able to appreciate his mastery despite this.

And I thought all people can easily separate one's art from personality.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 04:46:16 PM »
And I thought all people can easily separate one's art from personality.

Are you expressing surprise that people criticize Scriabin for his personality or just being sarcastic?

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 05:08:42 PM »
Are you expressing surprise that people criticize Scriabin for his personality or just being sarcastic?

There's some sarcasm in my comment.  I do believe that everyone has the ability to make the separation, but many folks refuse to do so.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2007, 08:06:55 PM »
I found a recording of Scriabins last unfinished Preperation for the final Mystery realized by Nemtin. And I read in the cd booklet, that Scriabin believed in some kind of higher level of existence, and that he had serious thoughts about, how his work should transform the human race of the performers and perhabs listeners. 

Don't take this recording as an example of what Scriabin would have written had he lived to compose the music himself. Scriabin left behind only scattered pages of sketches. Nemtin used them up in Part 1 of his three-part marathon, along with some of Scriabin's final piano pieces, which are worked in whole. The rest is a repetition and regurgitation of the same material, over and over with no end. I kind of like Part 1, which was released separately in the late 70s under the title Universe. After that it's just not worth listening to.

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2007, 02:50:11 AM »
Don't take this recording as an example of what Scriabin would have written had he lived to compose the music himself. Scriabin left behind only scattered pages of sketches. Nemtin used them up in Part 1 of his three-part marathon, along with some of Scriabin's final piano pieces, which are worked in whole. The rest is a repetition and regurgitation of the same material, over and over with no end. I kind of like Part 1, which was released separately in the late 70s under the title Universe. After that it's just not worth listening to.

Yes I recognized lots of the piano pieces in it. But I think I liked the work though.
No. If anything it's a reminder of the worst aspects of the Aestheticism "movement" (in quotations because I don't think it can be called a movement per se). People tend to diminish Scriabin's art by citing his "decadent" personality, when they should really be able to appreciate his mastery despite this.
But we might agree, that the music is an unrefusable thing, that gives people something they didn´t had before. So isn´t this the whole idea of transfiguration? And to me it seems, that Scriabin just sow this beauty in such a way, as if it was independent from physical hard work.

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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2007, 09:59:34 AM »
Yes, Scriabin was creating a work of art so wondrous that on its premiere the entire world would dissolve in ecstasy and life would become paradise. Then one morning he cut himself shaving and it became infected, and when he realized he was dying he exclaimed, "This is a tragedy!"

That's my favorite Scriabin story.  ;D ;D I also like his "Insect Sonata." It's full of little trills on the piano, these are the INSECTS!! bwa ha ha


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Re: Scriabins Temple
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2007, 08:05:16 PM »
Yes, Scriabin was creating a work of art so wondrous that on its premiere the entire world would dissolve in ecstasy and life would become paradise. Then one morning he cut himself shaving and it became infected, and when he realized he was dying he exclaimed, "This is a tragedy!"

We find it hard to believe this story about Scryabine's having cut himself while shaving. No, what really happened - as the admirable Norman Lebrecht tells us in his book about composers of the twentieth century - was that during a stay in a London hôtel (we do not for the moment know which one) he was given unclean cutlery, and contracted therefrom a pimple on his upper lip. It was this pimple which did not respond to treatment in those pre-penicillin days. As Members will see from this photograph Scryabine was not in the habit of shaving his upper lip:


Furthermore his death was indeed a tragedy, since had he lived longer the whole course of twentieth-century music would have been different and dare we say a good deal more agreeable.
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Re: Scriabins Temple
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2007, 08:15:31 PM »
Enough with the Transformers talk, that movie was just bad, i mean, really, really bad. Elgar type of bad.
 


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Re: Scriabins Temple
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2007, 09:10:38 PM »
Furthermore his death was indeed a tragedy, since had he lived longer the whole course of twentieth-century music would have been different and dare we say a good deal more agreeable.

What's disagreeable about 20th c. music?

EDIT: Never mind...just read your introduction...

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Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

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Re: Scriabins Temple
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2007, 11:47:47 PM »
What's disagreeable about 20th c. music?

EDIT: Never mind...just read your introduction...


Yeah. Scary -isn't it?

 

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