Haydn's Haus

[Sergeant Rock]

The cats in my limited imagination all sing 'downward' or else employ strong portamento on upward swoops...

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I've heard cats meow with an upward swoop, almost as if they are asking a question.

Sarge

[Karl Henning]

It's all a matter of being attentive to one's cat.

And to be sure, some cats are naturally more expressive than others.

[Gurn Blanston]

Help, Navneeth! 

Symphony listing:

Year      New Chronology   Key   Hob #   Name
1757                1                    D    1   
1757/8   2   C   37   
1757/9   3   G   18   
1757/9   4   C   2   
1757/60   5   D   4   
1757/60   6   G   27   
1758/60   7   D   10   
1758/60   8   C   20   
1760/1   9   F   17   
1760/1   10   D   19   
1760/1   11   Bb   107   Symphony A
1760/1   12   C   25   
1760/1   13   Eb   11   
1760/1   14   A   5   
1760/1   15   C   32   
1761   16   D   15   
1761   17   G   3   
1761   18   D   6   Le matin
1761   19   C   7   Le midi
1761   20   G   8   Le soir
1761/2   21   Eb   36   
1761/2   22   C   33   
1762   23   C   9   
1762   24   Bb   108   Symphony B
1762   25   A   14   
1763   26   E   12   
1763   27   F   40   
1763   28   Bb   16   
1763   29   d   34   
1763   30   D   72   
1763   31   D   13   
1764   32   G   23   
1764   33   Eb   22   The Philosopher'
1764   34   A   21   
1764   35   D   24   
1765   36   C   30   Alleluia
1765   37   D   31   Hornsignal
1765   38   g   39   
1765   39   E   29   
1766   40   A   28   
1767   41   C   38   
1767   42   F   58   
1767   43   Bb   35   
1768   44   A   59   Fire
1768   45   f   49   The Passion
1768   46   d   26   Lamentation
1768   47   C   41   
1769   48   A   65   
1769   49   C   48   Maria Theresia
1770/71   50   e   44   Mourning
1770/71   51   Eb   43   Mercury
1771   52   c   52   
1771   53   D   42   
1772   54   G   47   
1772   55   f#   45   Farewell
1772   56   B   46   
1773   57   Bb   51   
1773   58   A   64   Tempora Mutantur
1773/4   59   C   50   
1774   60   Eb   55   The Schoolmaster
1774   61   G   54   
1774   62   C   60   Il Distratto
1774   63   C   56   
1774   64   D   57   
1775   65   Bb   68   
1775   66   F   67   
1775   67   C   69   Laudon
1775   68   Bb   66   
1776   69   D   61   
1778   70   Bb   71   
1778   71   D   70   
1778   72   D   53   L'Imperiale
1779   73   D   75   
1779   74   C   63   La Roxelane
1780   75   D   62   
1780   76   Eb   74   
1781   77   D   73   La chasse
1782   78   c   78   
1782   79   F   77   
1782   80   Eb   76   
1784   81   G   81   
1784   82   d   80   
1784   83   F   79   
1785   84   A   87   
1785   85   Bb   85   La reine
1785   86   g   83   La Poule
1786   87   Eb   84   
1786   88   D   86   
1786   89   C   82   L'ours
1787   90   G   88   
1787   91   F   89   
1788   92   C   90   
1788   93   Eb   91   
1789   94   G   92   Oxford
1791   95   c   95   
1791   96   D   96   The Miracle
1792   97   D   93   
1792   98   G   94   Surprise
1792   99   C   97   
1792   100   Bb   98   
1794   101   Eb   99   The Cat
1794   102   D   101   Die Uhr
1794   103   G   100   Military
1795   104   Bb   102   
1795   105   Eb   103   Drumroll
1795   106   D   104   London
1795   107   Bb   105   Sinfonia concertante

[Sergeant Rock]

And you do know that Sarge is a bit... off, don't you?

Cruel, Gurn, cruel...even if it is true    But no more off than Lethe who hears--quite rightly, I hasten to add--a stumbling goat in #78 

Sarge

[jlaurson]

But no more off than Lethe who hears--quite rightly, I hasten to add--a stumbling goat in #78 

Sarge

Oh Gawd. I've cut work cut out for me...

[Gurn Blanston]

Cruel, Gurn, cruel...even if it is true    But no more off than Lethe who hears--quite rightly, I hasten to add--a stumbling goat in #78 

Sarge

Sure, that movement is called "Caprio alla zoppa", IIRC...

I've added your moniker to NC101. If Navneeth will grace us with his impeccable formatting, we can consider it a done deal.

[Sergeant Rock]

Oh Gawd. I've [got my] work cut out for me...

Welcome to Haydn's Haus Asylum 

Sarge

[Florestan]

Lethe who hears--quite rightly, I hasten to add--a stumbling goat in #78 

So there it is: Symphony No. 78 in C minor Hob. I:78 La Capra inciampatta

[Sergeant Rock]

So there it is: Symphony No. 78 in C minor Hob. I:78 La Capra inciampatta

Lovely 

[Opus106]

We don't have the same cat.

But fair enough... now my goal is not only to instigate nicknaming the symphony (my Wiki additions were already called into quesiton and removed  ) but to get a conductor to REALLY "mkkkgnnnnaw" on that phrase.

He's not kidding!

[Sergeant Rock]

He's not kidding!

[mc ukrneal]

Sir Colin's with the Concertgebouw from 1975? If so the first appearance of the meow is at 3:24/25 but it makes an even stronger impact with the change in orchestration at 7:34. The only problem with the timings is that I have the Pentatone CD not the original Philips. If one or the other companies added a bit a silence to the beginning, the timings may be slightly off. But you should be able to recognize when the second subject begins. It's pretty obvious. Whether you'll hear the meows....well, like Jens said, depends on your imagination 

Sarge

Huh. I guess it could be cats. It really reminds me of Rossini there. It's sounds flirty to me, so perhaps you could associate that with a cat. It's not something I would have thought myself (without help). Then again, I tend to daydream when I listen to music like this, so I can certainly see how it might have happened.

[Sergeant Rock]

Huh. I guess it could be cats. It really reminds me of Rossini there. It's sounds flirty to me, so perhaps you could associate that with a cat.

Hmmmpff...no imagination...or perhaps you just aren't sufficiently off 

To be precise, it is the first two ascending notes of that theme, and their subsequent repetitions, that remind me of a meow. YHMV

Sarge

[Leon]

Hmmmpff...no imagination...or perhaps you just aren't sufficiently off 

To be precise, it is the first two ascending notes of that theme, and their subsequent repetitions, that remind me of a meow. YHMV

Sarge

Yes, really only the first statement of the theme, and the scoring makes it even more feline-esque.   Not to be confused with Felini-esque.  But on second thought, this entire discussion might be worthy of his treatment. 

[mc ukrneal]

Hmmmpff...no imagination...or perhaps you just aren't sufficiently off 

To be precise, it is the first two ascending notes of that theme, and their subsequent repetitions, that remind me of a meow. YHMV

Sarge

Yeah - I got the place (your timing fit mine on Philips), so I know what you mean. Perhaps I will do a bit of 'practice' for the wine thread and see if that helps!  

[jlaurson]

So there it is: Symphony No. 78 in C minor Hob. I:78 La Capra inciampatta

Also known as La chèvre achoppement? Wasn't that even on the Paris publisher's print plates?

Voila. New nickname.

West-Coast Haydn Lovers, visit the restaurant!

[Opus106]

Christmas Special Now with Non-Canonical Nicknames Included!!! Christmas Special*
*Offer valid until all this goofiness dies down

Year	New Chronology	Key	Hob. I	Nickname
1757	1	D	1
1757/8	2	C	37
1757/9	3	G	18
1757/9	4	C	2
1757/60	5	D	4
1757/60	6	G	27
1758/60	7	D	10
1758/60	8	C	20
1760/1	9	F	17
1760/1	10	D	19
1760/1	11	Bb	107	Symphony A
1760/1	12	C	25
1760/1	13	Eb	11
1760/1	14	A	5
1760/1	15	C	32
1761	16	D	15
1761	17	G	3
1761	18	D	6	Le matin
1761	19	C	7	Le midi
1761	20	G	8	Le soir
1761/2	21	Eb	36
1761/2	22	C	33
1762	23	C	9
1762	24	Bb	108	Symphony B
1762	25	A	14
1763	26	E	12
1763	27	F	40
1763	28	Bb	16
1763	29	d	34
1763	30	D	72
1763	31	D	13
1764	32	G	23
1764	33	Eb	22	The Philosopher'
1764	34	A	21
1764	35	D	24
1765	36	C	30	Alleluia
1765	37	D	31	Hornsignal
1765	38	g	39
1765	39	E	29
1766	40	A	28
1767	41	C	38
1767	42	F	58
1767	43	Bb	35
1768	44	A	59	Fire
1768	45	f	49	The Passion
1768	46	d	26	Lamentation
1768	47	C	41
1769	48	A	65
1769	49	C	48	Maria Theresia
1770/71	50	e	44	Mourning
1770/71	51	Eb	43	Mercury
1771	52	c	52
1771	53	D	42
1772	54	G	47
1772	55	f#	45	Farewell
1772	56	B	46
1773	57	Bb	51
1773	58	A	64	Tempora Mutantur
1773/4	59	C	50
1774	60	Eb	55	The Schoolmaster
1774	61	G	54
1774	62	C	60	Il Distratto
1774	63	C	56
1774	64	D	57
1775	65	Bb	68
1775	66	F	67
1775	67	C	69	Laudon
1775	68	Bb	66
1776	69	D	61
1778	70	Bb	71
1778	71	D	70
1778	72	D	53	L'Imperiale
1779	73	D	75
1779	74	C	63	La Roxelane
1780	75	D	62
1780	76	Eb	74
1781	77	D	73	La chasse
1782	78	c	78
1782	79	F	77
1782	80	Eb	76
1784	81	G	81
1784	82	d	80
1784	83	F	79
1785	84	A	87
1785	85	Bb	85	La reine
1785	86	g	83	La Poule
1786	87	Eb	84
1786	88	D	86
1786	89	C	82	L'ours
1787	90	G	88
1787	91	F	89
1788	92	C	90
1788	93	Eb	91
1789	94	G	92	Oxford
1791	95	c	95
1791	96	D	96	The Miracle
1792	97	D	93
1792	98	G	94	Surprise
1792	99	C	97
1792	100	Bb	98
1794	101	Eb	99	The Cat
1794	102	D	101	Die Uhr
1794	103	G	100	Military
1795	104	Bb	102
1795	105	Eb	103	Drumroll
1795	106	D	104	London
1795	107	Bb	105	Sinfonia concertante

[Sergeant Rock]

We have a printing error. Should be 78 not 71.

Sarge

[Florestan]

We have a printing error. Should be 78 not 71.

And I think it should be either "achoppant" ou "achoppee".

[Sergeant Rock]

Perhaps I will do a bit of 'practice' for the wine thread and see if that helps!

In vino veritas.... Yes, wine should help you hear the truth 

Sarge