POLL Brahms or Wagner?

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eyeresist

#20
February 02, 2012, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: mszczuj on February 02, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
Wellington Victory is music. You can despise it for some aesthetically reasons but you can listen to it.
Triumphlied is only notes. Without any sense. I don't know any other example of so weak composition. It is absolute zero.

Alas even in my favorite Brahms works there are  some passages which are only notes. Some melodies in bass line which makes no sense on its own.

Good lord.

mc ukrneal

#21
February 03, 2012, 01:15:03 AM
Quote from: eyeresist on February 02, 2012, 11:28:42 PM
Good lord.
That echoes what I was thinking. I guess there are notes and then there are NOTES!
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Florestan

#22
February 03, 2012, 01:45:06 AM
Brahms.
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Sergeant Rock

#23
February 03, 2012, 02:08:28 AM
Chiquita

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

starrynight

#24
February 03, 2012, 02:30:19 AM
I wonder if this is really the best comparison anyway.

Brahms v Tchaikovsky or Brahms v Schumann or Wagner v Verdi are probably better.

marvinbrown

#25
February 03, 2012, 02:46:30 AM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on February 02, 2012, 08:46:26 AM
I voted for Wagner :)

I absolutely love Brahms' music, but Wagner is unbeatable for me! ;D

  I feel the same way. I love Brahms' chamber music (one of the great hidden secrets of classical music!)  but Wagner  0:) is my main man!

  You know I think that I am one of the very few people on the GMG forums who actually prefers Wagner to......YIKES!.....BEETHOVEN (my 2nd favorite composer)!


  marvin

Lisztianwagner

#26
February 03, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Quote from: marvinbrown on February 03, 2012, 02:46:30 AM
  I feel the same way. I love Brahms' chamber music (one of the great hidden secrets of classical music!)  but Wagner  0:) is my main man!

  You know I think that I am one of the very few people on the GMG forums who actually prefers Wagner to......YIKES!.....BEETHOVEN (my 2nd favorite composer)!

1st: Wagner
2nd: Beethoven.......
I think we'll get on well ;D
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

Wendell_E

#27
February 03, 2012, 03:22:57 AM
Easy!

For opera:  Wagner.

For everything else:  Brahms.

This poll may now be closed.   ;D
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

Karl Henning

#28
February 03, 2012, 03:56:52 AM
Quote from: marvinbrown on February 03, 2012, 02:46:30 AM
  You know I think that I am one of the very few people on the GMG forums who actually prefers Wagner to......YIKES!.....BEETHOVEN (my 2nd favorite composer)!

I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to your weird opinion, Marvin! ; )
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nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

The new erato

#29
February 03, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
Quote from: Lethevich on February 02, 2012, 08:50:43 AM
Brahms, almost for the chamber and piano music alone :-*
Me too....

Winky Willy

#30
February 26, 2012, 12:10:32 PM
Brahms. He didn't reach some of the heights of passion Wagner did, but I find the depth of his music to be greater than anyone. Brahms (if one does the vulgar thing in ranking composers!) is my choice for the very greatest of them all!

Ataraxia

#31
February 26, 2012, 03:06:42 PM
There is only one answer and it starts with a "b!"

eyeresist

#32
February 26, 2012, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: Ataraxia on February 26, 2012, 03:06:42 PM
There is only one answer and it starts with a "b!"

Brahgner?

Ten thumbs

#33
February 28, 2012, 03:50:28 AM
Mm. . .Can we Poll Debussy and Puccini next?

I like both Brahms and Wagner but if I have to take one it will have to be Brahms, simply for his wider compass.
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Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Sergeant Rock

#34
February 28, 2012, 03:59:00 AM
Quote from: Winky Willy on February 26, 2012, 12:10:32 PM
Brahms (if one does the vulgar thing in ranking composers!) is my choice for the very greatest of them all!

This is GMG...please, be vulgar. It's expected  8)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Winky Willy

#35
February 28, 2012, 07:55:56 AM
OH YEAH

Gurn Blanston

#36
February 28, 2012, 08:27:45 AM
How can anyone imagine a choice other than Brahms?   0:)

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marvinbrown

#37
February 28, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: Ten thumbs on February 28, 2012, 03:50:28 AM
Mm. . .Can we Poll Debussy and Puccini next?

I like both Brahms and Wagner but if I have to take one it will have to be Brahms, simply for his wider compass.

  Wider compass?? How much wider can it get than the Ring cycle, the ultra emorional Tristan, the lighthearted Meistersinger.

   No one but no one could tower over Wagner.......had it not been for Wagner there would be no Mahler, no Bruckner, no Debussy, no Schoenberg, Wagner is quite possibly the most influential man in the history of Classical music! In the words of Mahler "there was only Beethoven and Wagner...........

  The same can not be said of Brahms..........


  But hey what the hell do I know..........

   a vey unhappy marvin


 

DavidW

#38
February 28, 2012, 09:05:32 AM
Quote from: marvinbrown on February 28, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
  Wider compass?? How much wider can it get than the Ring cycle, the ultra emorional Tristan, the lighthearted Meistersinger.

He didn't mean emotional range.  Meant Brahms wrote in many forms from chamber music to symphonies to piano to vocal etc etc and Wagner only wrote operas.

Lisztianwagner

#39
February 28, 2012, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: marvinbrown on February 28, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
  Wider compass?? How much wider can it get than the Ring cycle, the ultra emorional Tristan, the lighthearted Meistersinger.

   No one but no one could tower over Wagner.......had it not been for Wagner there would be no Mahler, no Bruckner, no Debussy, no Schoenberg, Wagner is quite possibly the most influential man in the history of Classical music! In the words of Mahler "there was only Beethoven and Wagner...........

  The same can not be said of Brahms..........

Totally agree! Very well said Marvin! :D
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg
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