Cato's Grammar Grumble

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Cato

Tragic grammar describing a tragic accident: the following sentence comes to you from a 20-something T.V. reporter!

"The skier was killed when he ran into a steel pole going 25 miles an hour." ??? :o ::) :o ???

Those steel poles need to slow down! 0:)

"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: Cato on February 18, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
Tragic grammar describing a tragic accident: the following sentence comes to you from a 20-something T.V. reporter!
"The skier was killed when he ran into a steel pole going 25 miles an hour." ??? :o ::) :o ???
Those steel poles need to slow down! 0:)

The problem is a language that depends on word placement, a source of fun nevertheless.

ZB
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

Karl Henning

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Karl Henning

Quote from: Cato on February 18, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
Tragic grammar describing a tragic accident: the following sentence comes to you from a 20-something T.V. reporter!

"The skier was killed when he ran into a steel pole going 25 miles an hour." ??? :o ::) :o ???

Those steel poles need to slow down! 0:)

When the poles go professional, they're eager to push the speed envelope:  Polar Pro

https://www.youtube.com/v/5ZpX99EMaKM
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

#3924
Things like this conjure up fear for the future of civilization...

Local ABC television news reporter says the following statement about some poor teenager and his sister, both recently orphaned:

"For Johnny Smith, his mother meant the world to he ??? ??? :o :o...(dramatic pause, which only emphasized the reporter's thermonuclear mistake)...and his sister."

"To he" was not caught by anyone editing the story or hearing the story before it aired!

And so Nominative forms are just fine as objects?????  Reporters were supposed to be the guardians of good grammar, but now they are the barbarians at the gates!
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: Cato on February 23, 2017, 04:08:14 AM
Local ABC television news reporter says the following statement about some poor teenager and his sister, both recently orphaned: "For Johnny Smith, his mother meant the world to he ??? ??? :o :o...(dramatic pause, which only emphasized the reporter's thermonuclear mistake)...and his sister."
"To he" was not caught by anyone editing the story or hearing the story before it aired!
And so Nominative forms are just fine as objects?????  Reporters were supposed to be the guardians of good grammar, but now they are the barbarians at the gates!

Maybe he was unsure of the pronoun the person preferred. Not knowing or slipping up in New York can get ze into a lot of trouble and heavy fines, besides:

"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

North Star

Quote from: zamyrabyrd on February 23, 2017, 04:33:44 AM
Maybe he was unsure of the pronoun the person preferred. Not knowing or slipping up in New York can get ze into a lot of trouble and heavy fines, besides:

You mean it can get hir into a lot of trouble. Cato did write about erroneous use of the nominative form, after all...
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Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: North Star on February 23, 2017, 04:48:56 AM
You mean it can get hir into a lot of trouble. Cato did write about erroneous use of the nominative form, after all...

Thanks for the correction. I am still illiterate as to the use of the brave new world pronouns.
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

Karl Henning

Well, but you posted the chart  0:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 23, 2017, 05:44:02 AM
Well, but you posted the chart  0:)

I don't use them, nor intend to incorporate them in my everyday speech.
"Themself" sounds repugnant to my ears, like scratching on a blackboard.
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

North Star

Yes, themselves would be better.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Karl Henning

Quote from: zamyrabyrd on February 23, 2017, 05:51:32 AM
I don't use them, nor intend to incorporate them in my everyday speech.

Understood, but (not to flog a prone Lipizzaner) I know you can read the chart, and the chart, you furnished  :)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 23, 2017, 06:00:12 AM
Understood, but (not to flog a prone Lipizzaner) I know you can read the chart, and the chart, you furnished  :)

I don't acknowledge any of the new forms as being valid. So there!  ::)
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

Karl Henning

Nor do we require you to, dear.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 23, 2017, 06:03:56 AM
Nor do we require you to, dear.
Don't call him dear! His prefered pronoun is "supreme galactic overlord."

zamyrabyrd

Quote from: Ken B on February 23, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
Don't call him dear! His prefered pronoun is "supreme galactic overlord."

I am not a militant feminist. Therefore, I don't find "dear" condescending.
(You're not the first to mistake my pronoun...)
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

Ken B

Quote from: Ken B on February 23, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
Don't call him dear! His prefered pronoun is "supreme galactic overlord."
OOPS

Don't call supreme galactic overlord dear! supreme galactic overlord's prefered pronoun is "supreme galactic overlord."

Karl Henning

Quote from: zamyrabyrd on February 23, 2017, 09:04:46 AM
I am not a militant feminist. Therefore, I don't find "dear" condescending.
(You're not the first to mistake my pronoun...)

May I address you as Supreme Galactic Overmistress?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 23, 2017, 09:39:55 AM
May I address you as Supreme Galactic Overmistress?
Find yourself a  Supreme Galactic Undermistress and you could have a Supreme Galactic Sandwich.