Cato's Grammar Grumble

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Ten thumbs

Quote from: Cato on March 20, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
I am not exaggerating!!! Not one verb the whole time!!!

I note here that sometimes Microsoft is to blame. It should of course be:
I am not exaggerating!!! not one verb the whole time!!!
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

jochanaan

Some people seem to treat exclamation points like legal forms, seeming unable to process less than triple usage. (!!!)
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Cato

Quote from: jochanaan on March 21, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Some people seem to treat exclamation points like legal forms, seeming unable to process less than triple usage. (!!!)

;)  Aesthetic opinion: I do not like the look of two exclamation points.  So, either I use one, or for greater emphasis (or irony) I use three!!!  0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato


Quote from: jochanaan on March 21, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Some people seem to treat exclamation points like legal forms, seeming unable to process less than triple usage. (!!!)

Quote from: Cato on March 21, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
;)  Aesthetic opinion: I do not like the look of two exclamation points.  So, either I use one, or for greater emphasis (or irony) I use three!!!  0:)


Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 22, 2017, 04:01:55 AM
It works, mate.

Well, I think so!   ;)

I will now quote a "sentence" in a letter from a company whose name begins with "3" and ends in "M." 0:)

Mrs. Cato had sent a letter complaining about the complete failure of one of their products.  4 weeks later, a response came containing the following monstrosity:

"We may require that pictures for quality control purposes and you did send us a sample of your tape so thank you!"  ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o

The letter also has this curiosity: "If you call, please mention this email..."

It used to be that a Jane Hathaway would scrutinize such letters, before they hit the mail, and fix any errors.  But today, "Spellcheck" is good enough, and Jane Hathaway is nowhere to be found.

"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Ten thumbs

Quote from: Cato on March 21, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
;)  Aesthetic opinion: I do not like the look of two exclamation points.  So, either I use one, or for greater emphasis (or irony) I use three!!!  0:)

I really must edit my carol book:
"Hark!!! the herald angels sing."
"Ding, dong!!! merrily on high"
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Cato

Quote from: Ten thumbs on March 23, 2017, 05:21:59 AM
I really must edit my carol book:
"Hark!!! the herald angels sing."
"Ding, dong!!! merrily on high"

Well, three is a mystical number!   :D

Our most recent grumble comes from my Latin class: one of the students wanted to know if the "word" yolo was from Latin.  This is not the first time I have heard the claim that "yolo" is Latin.

Latin has no "y" except in words borrowed from Greek. 

You Only Live Once is about as profound as Yodo, and would of course be disputed by the billion or so people who believe  in reincarnation. 0:)

Yoda of course is quite profound!  8)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Ken B

Quote from: Cato on March 23, 2017, 05:44:14 PM
Well, three is a mystical number!   :D

Our most recent grumble comes from my Latin class: one of the students wanted to know if the "word" yolo was from Latin.  This is not the first time I have heard the claim that "yolo" is Latin.

Latin has no "y" except in words borrowed from Greek. 

You Only Live Once is about as profound as Yodo, and would of course be disputed by the billion or so people who believe  in reincarnation. 0:)

Yoda of course is quite profound!  8)

There is a simple answer. Yolo is a stupid word, hence it comes from French.

:D

Cato

Quote from: Ken B on March 23, 2017, 05:50:51 PM
There is a simple answer. Yolo is a stupid word, hence it comes from French.
:D

Yes!  So obvious!  ;D  I have often commented about English spelling: in general, if it makes no sense, blame French!  $:) ;)

"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Karl Henning

Eaudious!

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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 24, 2017, 02:12:40 AM
Eaudious!

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A meretricious coinage!

Cato

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 24, 2017, 02:12:40 AM
Eaudious!

Quote from: Ken B on March 24, 2017, 04:57:30 AM
A meretricious coinage!

Bilingual puns!  Great stuff!  The rule seems to be: if you have a chance to make fun of French, do it!  ;)

Today's Wall Street Journal carries a book review of a biography of Mussolini's (main) mistress.  Toward the end of the piece, the reviewer notes the following about the author and his "mangled" technique in English:

Quote...Mr. Bosworth can write with verve, and the two earlier books I read in part, "Mussolini's Italy" and "Whispering City: Rome and Its Histories," have many fine passages. But they also have many blunders, and my failure to finish them was due to the pervasive not-quite-rightness of their prose. In "Claretta," this errancy reaches a whole new level, with solecisms and bafflingly inept formulations at every turn.

For starters, there are redundancies worthy of Dan Brown, such as "personal emotions" and the statement that Mussolini, looking in the mirror, spotted "new wrinkles on his face that had not been there before." Nonsensical word choices abound: contempt is scribbled, evidence is hostile, stereotypes are aroused, hindsight remarks, opinion reads rumors, and someone protests vivaciously.

As for Mr. Bosworth's sentences, they tend to be long and muddled. At times he is inadvertently funny in his clumsiness, as when he says that Mussolini, during sex, once "scratched [Claretta's] nose painfully with the explanation that, sometimes, 'I lose control.' " But it's hard to do other than groan at a sentence like this: "On 30 January . . . Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor of Germany, a rise to power destined to set Europe ablaze." The chancellor is a rise? The rise sets Europe ablaze? (Never mind that Churchill's famous phrase was an injunction to his own Special Operations Executive.)

One expects this sort of thing from Wikipedia but not from the normally rigorous Yale University Press. "My book might be best read," Mr. Bosworth advises the reader, "with the Sturm und Drang of Clara and Ben's favourite music, Beethoven's 7th Symphony, playing loudly in the background." Perhaps, but not even a German symphony could drown out the screech of English being mangled.

(My emphasis above.)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-bed-with-il-duce-1490382122

One assumes that this Bosworth is NOT a descendant of the more famous James Bosworth! 0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Wendell_E

Quote from: Cato on March 25, 2017, 04:12:14 AM
One assumes that this Bosworth is NOT a descendant of the more famous James Bosworth! 0:)

I've heard of James Boswell, but not Bosworth. Who is he? Googling didn't help.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

Cato

Quote from: Wendell_E on March 26, 2017, 05:26:39 AM
I've heard of James Boswell, but not Bosworth. Who is he? Googling didn't help.

My joke was too obscure: a character in an American TV show called Halt and Catch Fire, and no, he isn't famous!  8)

During a trip to the American South, we encountered some interesting curiosities in language. 0:)

A docent in Tennessee at an antebellum mansion kept saying "Mainsion," which we had never heard before.  The central part of Tennessee is never referred to as the "central" part of Tennessee.  Everywhere in central Tennessee, one sees instead "Middle Tennessee," from TV stations to trucks proclaiming "Middle Tennessee Plumbing."  And there are no short or single vowels which cannot be squeezed into annoying-sounding long ones (e.g. "eeny" = "any") or into diphthongs (e.g. "cla-owset" for "closet").

Also noticed: local T.V. reporters have a proper (or almost proper) Midwest (north of the Ohio River) pronunciation, but the T.V. weatherman is allowed to drawl like the local yokels.  ;)


"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Cato

Another curiosity: two docents at the Andrew Jackson estate in Nashville insisted several times that his wife had been accused of being a "bigot."  The accusation was used against him in his political campaigns and apparently led to the duel where he killed wife's slanderer.

To be sure, slavery was present on the estate, but that was not the docents' context.  They claimed she was called a "bigot" because her divorce from her abusive first husband had not quite been approved by a court before her second marriage to Jackson.

We sent the management a little note about the difference between "bigot" and "bigamist." ;)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Cato

Another use of a certain term...but not the right use!  Seen in Cincinnati!

Legendary Lawn and Garden Services  ??? ???
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Ken B

Quote from: Cato on April 05, 2017, 04:45:33 PM
Another use of a certain term...but not the right use!  Seen in Cincinnati!

Legendary Lawn and Garden Services  ??? ???
Oh I've heard of them. They are storied, a fabled outfit.

Cato

Quote from: Ken B on April 05, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
Oh I've heard of them. They are storied, a fabled outfit.

:D  Wow!  Legendary, storied, AND fabled!

But are they...epic ?!

I had a professor of Byzantine History many moons ago, who opined that a society may be showing signs of trouble, when it constantly exaggerates its language, and inflates things which should not be inflated.

Or, as one learns in the cartoon movie The Incredibles, "if everyone is super, then nobody is."
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Karl Henning

#3978
Well, perhaps they only service legendary lawns & gardens?—

The Lawn at UVa . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

. . . the Longwood Gardens . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot