Cato's Grammar Grumble

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Cato

Quote from: karlhenning on January 12, 2015, 08:02:35 AM
And, curiously, that dictionary gives a Middle English form (which by now is a foreign language) and . . . the earliest citation there is late 19th c.;  already feels like a barbarous back-formation . . . .

I had a professor many moons ago, who impishly told me that for every scholarly article he wrote, he made it a point to find an obsolete or obsolescent word in the OED and to insert it in his writing.   :laugh:
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

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Karl Henning

Quote from: North Star on January 12, 2015, 08:08:41 AM
Agreed.
There are several quotes from each century between Middle English  & 19th c. in the full entry. :)

Thanks; I did wonder if that were not an accident  :)
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

jochanaan

Quote from: Ken B on January 12, 2015, 07:33:59 AM
Hold on to your hat Cato!

Thinking about impact I have found a new verb to unleash upon the world.


....



Repercuss. "This will repercuss on the bottom line; we can repercuss the decision by ...;that will repercuss me."
When the Reaper cusses...!!! :o ;D
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Jay F

I like "repercuss," I find. My inner Lisa Simpson likes it, anyway. And no one has hated the nounicization of verbs and the verbicization of nouns more than I.

jochanaan

Quote from: Jay F on January 12, 2015, 06:10:38 PM
I like "repercuss," I find. My inner Lisa Simpson likes it, anyway. And no one has hated the nounicization of verbs and the verbicization of nouns more than I.
Actually, "repercuss" is a mere restoration of a probable verb by removing a suffix--minor surgery compared to what else has happened to our mother tongue.
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Ken B

Quote from: jochanaan on January 15, 2015, 07:50:40 AM
Actually, "repercuss" is a mere restoration of a probable verb by removing a suffix--minor surgery compared to what else has happened to our mother tongue.

It has been surgeried.

jochanaan

Quote from: Ken B on January 15, 2015, 07:52:14 AM
It has been surgeried.
Amazing, the difference between "surgically removed" and "cut off." :)
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Karl Henning

On the lines of invite VS. invitation:

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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 07:20:39 AM
On the lines of invite VS. invitation:
The submit impacted success in a positive fashion.

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: CD liner notesToday innumerable of his 431 compositions have been recorded [...]

We can number his compositions;  we just cannot number the subset which have been recorded.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 10:28:26 AM
We can number his compositions;  we just cannot number the subset which have been recorded.
It would be a bit of a chore to count them, sure..

Of course, that isn't what they mean:
QuoteToday innumerable of his 431 compositions have been recorded, his output and life have been recorded in book form, and his works, most of which are still unprinted, are being published.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Karl Henning

Maybe it's just some clunkiness in the translation.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 10:40:50 AM
Maybe it's just some clunkiness in the translation.
Most likely, there's probably some expression which means both innumerable and several.
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Cato

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 10:40:50 AM
Maybe it's just some clunkiness in the translation.

A CPO CD?  They have some of the worst!  (Although to be fair, the original German in many of their notes is often full of high-falutin' babble by some phlyarologist.)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Ken B

Quote from: Cato on January 23, 2015, 10:58:19 AM
A CPO CD?  They have some of the worst!  (Although to be fair, the original German in many of their notes is often full of high-falutin' babble by some phlyarologist.)

I like my babble low-falutin'. I'm a man of the people, me.

Karl Henning

Quote from: North Star on January 23, 2015, 10:57:43 AM
Most likely, there's probably some expression which means both innumerable and several.

Aye.  In inglese, if he wanted something more emphatic than (the admittedly rather neutral) several, I suppose he might have to go with a great many.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Ken B on January 23, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
I like my babble low-falutin'. I'm a man of the people, me.

Could be the Libra in me, but I do prefer mid-falutin'.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 11:22:28 AM
Aye.  In inglese, if he wanted something more emphatic than (the admittedly rather neutral) several, I suppose he might have to go with a great many.
Or numerous.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot