Cato's Grammar Grumble

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ComposerOfAvantGarde

Quote from: Cato on August 21, 2016, 05:31:08 AM
Both are considered correct, according to most dictionaries: "specialty" without the extra "i" is probably more common here in America: probably most people would agree that it is easier to say.   Possibly for fancy emphasis you might hear "My speciality is...ontology."  0:)

("Speciality" is underlined right now in red.)  ;)
For this reason I have chosen to use 'speciality' 8)

Spineur

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Quote from: zamyrabyrd on August 21, 2016, 04:44:17 AM
.....Vortex is like matrix so it shouldn't be too hard to remember vortices being similar to matrices.
Dont you think this has more to do with science education than english knowledge ?  I was talking to somebody about hysterisis and metastable states in magnets and she thought I was talking about cancer....

Ten thumbs

Indices are basically mathematical. Those things at the back of books are, and should always be, indexes.
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Cato

Quote from: Ten thumbs on August 22, 2016, 01:32:57 AM
Indices are basically mathematical. Those things at the back of books are, and should always be, indexes.

Interesting distinction: I could not find a dictionary with that idea. Where did you find it?

Again, a major business newspaper (Wall Street Journal) calls its (mathematical) stock charts "indexes."
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North Star

I trust you also use all the appropriate Finnish noun cases and plurals when talking about saunasta... And speaking of charts, the plural of χάρτης is of course χάρτες - chartes.
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Karl Henning

I've become increadingly annoyed by a certain self-replicating typo.
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Composer & Clarinetist
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

ComposerOfAvantGarde

Quote from: karlhenning on August 22, 2016, 05:36:55 AM
I've become increadingly annoyed by a certain self-replicating typo.
Goodness me I feel I need to check my thread title from that CD thread I made......

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

Quote from: North Star on August 22, 2016, 02:51:34 AM
I trust you also use all the appropriate Finnish noun cases and plurals when talking about saunasta... And speaking of charts, the plural of χάρτης is of course χάρτες - chartes.

Whenever I use Finnish or Greek, absolutely!  8)
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Ten thumbs

Quote from: Cato on August 22, 2016, 02:15:40 AM
Interesting distinction: I could not find a dictionary with that idea. Where did you find it?

Again, a major business newspaper (Wall Street Journal) calls its (mathematical) stock charts "indexes."

Ah! Maybe this is a cross-Atlantic difference. Here in England it is absolutely the case.
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Cato

Quote from: Ten thumbs on August 23, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
Ah! Maybe this is a cross-Atlantic difference. Here in England it is absolutely the case.

That would explain it!   0:)

Today, at a McDonald's, I saw a framed award with the following highly disturbing sentence:

"The Henderson Road Store is awarded this Certificate of Excellence

For Its Execution of the Five Primary Drivers."
  ???  $:) $:) $:) $:) $:)

There MUST be a better way of stating this!   8)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Ken B

Quote from: Cato on August 23, 2016, 02:35:34 PM
That would explain it!   0:)

Today, at a McDonald's, I saw a framed award with the following highly disturbing sentence:

"The Henderson Road Store is awarded this Certificate of Excellence

For Its Execution of the Five Primary Drivers."
  ???  $:) $:) $:) $:) $:)


Texas I assume.

Monsieur Croche

Quote from: Cato on February 09, 2009, 05:30:43 AM
I notice many things hopefully!

Tsk, tsk. That is, "it is to be hoped," ~ not 'hopefully.'
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

North Star

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on August 25, 2016, 02:14:55 AM
Tsk, tsk. That is, "it is to be hoped," ~ not 'hopefully.'
Except if Cato means that the manner in which he notices those many things is hopeful.  :)
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Ten thumbs

Quote from: North Star on August 25, 2016, 02:17:38 AM
Except if Cato means that the manner in which he notices those many things is hopeful.  :)

Talking of plurals - why do people insist on saying cacti and narcissi but baulk at consistency when it comes to dahliae and chrysanthema?
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Wendell_E

Quote from: Ten thumbs on August 25, 2016, 02:54:30 AM
Talking of plurals - why do people insist on saying cacti and narcissi but baulk at consistency when it comes to dahliae and chrysanthema?

I think it's the English language that baulks at consistency.  It actually farts in consistency's general direction.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

Cato

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on August 25, 2016, 02:14:55 AM
Tsk, tsk. That is, "it is to be hoped," ~ not 'hopefully.'

Irony was intended in that case!  $:)  And you went back 7 years to read the topic?!  Very impressive!

Quote from: North Star on August 25, 2016, 02:17:38 AM
Except if Cato means that the manner in which he notices those many things is hopeful.  :)

:D  Also a constant!  ;)

Quote from: Ten thumbs on Today at 02:54:30 AM
QuoteTalking of plurals - why do people insist on saying cacti and narcissi but baulk at consistency when it comes to dahliae and chrysanthema?

Probably some people find cactuses and narcissuses too hard to thpit out!  0:)

Never expect consistency in languages: they are invented by inconsistent human beings!  0:)

"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Karl Henning

Adaptation of the indigenously-correct plural along with the word imported into English, is a sometime thing.  To wit: octopodes  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Cato

Quote from: karlhenning on August 25, 2016, 03:36:07 AM
Adaptation of the indigenously-correct plural along with the word imported into English, is a sometime thing.  To wit: octopodes  8)

;)

My Random House Dictionary wants octopuses as the primary plural, and octopi as a (less standard) secondary form.
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

North Star

Quote from: Cato on August 25, 2016, 05:46:59 AM
;)

My Random House Dictionary wants octopuses as the primary plural, and octopi as a (less standard) secondary form.
Octopi is idiotic, of course. Latin plural for a Greek loanword in English. . .
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