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King Karajan

February 28, 2009, 02:37:02 PM Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 12:53:47 AM by Que
I'm looking for a spitfire account of this work. I have Klemperer, 2 Karajan's (BPO and Philharmonia), Furtwangler and Bohm. But non of them seem to satisfy?? It's the hardest of Beethoven's symphonies to warm up to for me. Right of the bat with the first to notes I want something immediate, triple forte with a brisk pace that sets the tone. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Holden

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February 28, 2009, 02:51:59 PM Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 02:59:03 PM by Holden
Quote from: King Karajan on February 28, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
I'm looking for a spitfire account of this work. I have Klemperer, 2 Karajan's (BPO and Philharmonia), Furtwangler and Bohm. But non of them seem to satisfy?? It's the hardest of Beethoven's symphonies to warm up to for me. Right of the bat with the first to notes I want something immediate, triple forte with a brisk pace that sets the tone. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Two come immediately to mind

Toscanini/NBCSO from 1949 (mono obviously)



and this

Cheers

Holden

Bogey

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February 28, 2009, 02:58:51 PM Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 03:02:50 PM by Bogey
My favorite rendition is on this dvd.  They have it without the movie on the special features:



There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

Kuhlau

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February 28, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Bogey on February 28, 2009, 02:58:51 PM
My favorite rendition is on this dvd.  They have it without the movie on the special features:





Totally agree with Bill here - the performance is a knock-out, and even finer than Gardiner's Archiv recording. I've extracted this reading from the DVD and converted it into respectable 192kbps MP3 files. If anyone wants these, let me know and I'll upload them and post links here. ;)

FK

mahler10th

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February 28, 2009, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: Kuhlau on February 28, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
Totally agree with Bill here - the performance is a knock-out, and even finer than Gardiner's Archiv recording. I've extracted this reading from the DVD and converted it into respectable 192kbps MP3 files. If anyone wants these, let me know and I'll upload them and post links here. ;)

FK

I'm interested for sure.  I already have the Archiv recording in a set - I'd be interested to see what the difference is and why the DVD edition is better.

George

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February 28, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
Quote from: King Karajan on February 28, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
Right of the bat with the first to notes I want something immediate, triple forte with a brisk pace that sets the tone. Any suggestions?

George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra

Gurn Blanston

#6
February 28, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: George on February 28, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra

You surprised me there, George, I thought you would say Annie Fisher... ;D

On modern instruments I like Czech PO / Matacik. Playing is uniformly excellent, and no lack of forte and rhythmic drive where appropriate.  :)

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George

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February 28, 2009, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 28, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
You surprised me there, George, I thought you would say Annie Fisher... ;D

Well, if we were talking PCs, then yes, it would have said that.  :)

Gurn Blanston

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February 28, 2009, 05:08:58 PM
Quote from: George on February 28, 2009, 04:54:08 PM
Well, if we were talking PCs, then yes, it would have said that.  :)



Well, the thread title was a bit open-ended. 3rd piano sonata, 3rd string trio or quartet... :D

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nut-job

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February 28, 2009, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on February 28, 2009, 05:08:58 PM
Well, the thread title was a bit open-ended. 3rd piano sonata, 3rd string trio or quartet... :D

8)

His problem is that he's not listening to the third piano concerto, which is by far Beethoven's best third.

King Karajan

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February 28, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: nut-job on February 28, 2009, 05:32:53 PM
His problem is that he's not listening to the third piano concerto, which is by far Beethoven's best third.



LOL!! Third symphony!!

jlaurson

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February 28, 2009, 06:09:10 PM Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 08:17:00 PM by jlaurson
Only one account is really spitfire:



BEETHOVEN, Symphonies 3 & 8, P.Jaervi, German Chamber Philharmonic Bremen

Knocks. Your. Socks. Off. Makes Vanska (best 4th!) sound like Winnie the Pooh, Karajan's 63 account like something from the tales of Scherchen.
Smacks the music in your face (but manages not to sound gratuitous or wilfull). Bite and zany like hell.
Replaced Gardiner's recording in my highest estimation. (And I'm by no means a "HIP" freak or insistent on metronome marking adherence or the like.)

King Karajan

#12
February 28, 2009, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: jlaurson on February 28, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
Only one account is really spitfire:



BEETHOVEN, Symphonies 3 & 8, P.Jaervi, German Chamber Philharmonic Bremen

Knocks. Your. Socks. Off. Makes Vanska (best 4th!) sound like Winnie the Pooh, Karajan's 63 account like something from the tales of Scherchen.
Smacks the music in your face (but manages not to sound gratuitous or wilfull). Bite and zany like hell.
Replaced Gardiner's recording in my highest estimation. (And I'm by no means a "HIP" freak or insistent on metronome marking adherence or the like.)



Thanks Jens! Your recomendtions are always highly regarded. But I of course thank everyone for their picks!

Radons

hornteacher

#13
February 28, 2009, 07:31:22 PM
Quote from: King Karajan on February 28, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
Right of the bat with the first to notes I want something immediate, triple forte with a brisk pace that sets the tone. Any suggestions?

Look no further.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=60899

Its big, its loud, its fast, its great.  In fact, the entire cycle is marvelous.

Wanderer

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February 28, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Harnoncourt/COE for me. Quick-paced, vigorous and profound.

Quote from: jlaurson on February 28, 2009, 06:09:10 PM

BEETHOVEN, Symphonies 3 & 8, P.Jaervi, German Chamber Philharmonic Bremen

Seconded. Certainly recommendable among recent renditions.

Mandryka

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February 28, 2009, 10:46:59 PM
Quote from: hornteacher on February 28, 2009, 07:31:22 PM
Look no further.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=60899

Its big, its loud, its fast, its great.  In fact, the entire cycle is marvelous.
Agreed.

And you can try before you buy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyPLD1Djr1U
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Kuhlau

#16
February 28, 2009, 11:02:34 PM Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 09:59:04 AM by Kuhlau
Quote from: jlaurson on February 28, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
Only one account is really spitfire:



BEETHOVEN, Symphonies 3 & 8, P.Jaervi, German Chamber Philharmonic Bremen

Knocks. Your. Socks. Off. Makes Vanska (best 4th!) sound like Winnie the Pooh, Karajan's 63 account like something from the tales of Scherchen.
Smacks the music in your face (but manages not to sound gratuitous or wilfull). Bite and zany like hell.
Replaced Gardiner's recording in my highest estimation. (And I'm by no means a "HIP" freak or insistent on metronome marking adherence or the like.)

I'll be honest and say I really didn't warm to this. To these ears, it sounds like a deliberate attempt to be different simply for the sake of it. And it's just too fast, IMO. Not one I'll be playing again any time soon.

FK

Que

#17
March 01, 2009, 12:55:58 AM
Quote from: King Karajan on February 28, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
I'm looking for a spitfire account of this work. I have Klemperer, 2 Karajan's (BPO and Philharmonia), Furtwangler and Bohm. But non of them seem to satisfy?? It's the hardest of Beethoven's symphonies to warm up to for me. Right of the bat with the first to notes I want something immediate, triple forte with a brisk pace that sets the tone. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Which Klemperer do you have? The mono recording from 1955 is the real thing.

Q

Bunny

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March 01, 2009, 08:24:46 AM Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 08:26:24 AM by Bunny
Quote from: jlaurson on February 28, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
Only one account is really spitfire:



BEETHOVEN, Symphonies 3 & 8, P.Jaervi, German Chamber Philharmonic Bremen

Knocks. Your. Socks. Off. Makes Vanska (best 4th!) sound like Winnie the Pooh, Karajan's 63 account like something from the tales of Scherchen.
Smacks the music in your face (but manages not to sound gratuitous or wilfull). Bite and zany like hell.
Replaced Gardiner's recording in my highest estimation. (And I'm by no means a "HIP" freak or insistent on metronome marking adherence or the like.)

I'm still waiting for that from Amazon, but right now my top Eroica is the one by Thomas Dausgaard with the Swedish Chamber Orchestra Örebro.  Dynamic and playful, it packs a quite a punch.  The stereo sound is wonderful, although I would have preferred SACD.

I'd also love to find a version on period instruments as good.

ChamberNut

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March 01, 2009, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on February 28, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Harnoncourt/COE for me. Quick-paced, vigorous and profound.

KammerNuss agrees!  :)
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