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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15640 on: January 24, 2020, 04:25:02 AM »
You're talking about the ECM, right?

No, the Decca.
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« Reply #15641 on: January 24, 2020, 04:53:12 AM »
What are these choices? Would you agree with Madiel about being too mellow?

I am not very familiar with his style, so I should add him to my list of performers to explore.
The choices every pianist makes when they play a piece. His Beethoven I know from memory (because I spent more time analyzing), but like even less. I use op 109 as my guide here and I just think that measure after measure he doesn't bring the music out to it fullest. In the opening of 109, for example, he has these pauses that seem more like hesitations than rubato. His notes (when he has runs) seems cut off from each other and that causes flow issues. It all comes down to opinion in the end. Others may love it and fall over themselves to hear it.

Compare these (for a minute or two) and tell me what you think.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/WM8jstSc_VA" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/WM8jstSc_VA</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/oPQmWKd3xnE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/oPQmWKd3xnE</a>


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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15642 on: January 24, 2020, 04:57:23 AM »
Madiel, I think you make a good point about the 1980s and early 90s Decca sound. I don't like Schiff recordings on Decca for the same reason I don't like Dutoit recordings on Decca - distant, unvivid, unlikely to do justice to the artist's live presence.

As far as Schiff playing on those recordings - I do like it a lot. And his Dohnanyi and Dvorak chamber recordings, and of course Mozart concertos, from that era are among my favorites.

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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15643 on: January 24, 2020, 09:12:40 AM »
The choices every pianist makes when they play a piece. His Beethoven I know from memory (because I spent more time analyzing), but like even less. I use op 109 as my guide here and I just think that measure after measure he doesn't bring the music out to it fullest. In the opening of 109, for example, he has these pauses that seem more like hesitations than rubato. His notes (when he has runs) seems cut off from each other and that causes flow issues. It all comes down to opinion in the end. Others may love it and fall over themselves to hear it.


Ha. I just listened to 109 and I thought the pauses were subtle and organic. I suppose this is all totally subjective and depends to some extent on what you’re used to, what your expectations are. I’ve had enough modern piano for today, having also listened to some Fazil Say, so I’ll save the Schubert for another time.
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15644 on: January 24, 2020, 02:00:13 PM »
How do we feel about Mitsuko Uchida's Schubert?



Views seem to vary widely.


I love it. I don't care what anyone says. Kempff is pretty good, too: https://www.classicstoday.com/review/kempffs-schubert-in-blu-ray-pure-audio-a-reference-revisited/
(Insider content -- but the sound samples compare Uchida, Kempff and Pollini and Kempff.)

I also have Endres, Badura Skoda I, plenty Lewis and Schiff (ECM)... and for all the praise Endres gets, I'm a sucker for Uchida.


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« Reply #15645 on: January 24, 2020, 02:52:57 PM »
The choices every pianist makes when they play a piece. His Beethoven I know from memory (because I spent more time analyzing), but like even less. I use op 109 as my guide here and I just think that measure after measure he doesn't bring the music out to it fullest. In the opening of 109, for example, he has these pauses that seem more like hesitations than rubato. His notes (when he has runs) seems cut off from each other and that causes flow issues. It all comes down to opinion in the end. Others may love it and fall over themselves to hear it.

Compare these (for a minute or two) and tell me what you think.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/WM8jstSc_VA" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/WM8jstSc_VA</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/oPQmWKd3xnE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/oPQmWKd3xnE</a>

I prefer the Schiff, on the basis of two minutes max of each. I prefer the phrasing and the more bass up sound.

By the way, re Schiff 109, you're right to say that his pauses are more like hesitations than rubato. This is something that people use all the time in the music I enjoy most, so why not in Beethoven? It's a valuable way to a way of drawing the listener's attention to the notes after the pause, and in doing so the musician also succeeds in breaking the flow, which can otherwise become boring because it's incessant.
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Re: Recordings That You Are Considering
« Reply #15646 on: January 24, 2020, 06:03:48 PM »
I have not heard but read criticism that these recordings were too late for Goldberg. The violin/piano masterpiece is the C major Fantasy, the 4 sonatas are charming pieces but not essential for me. Faust/Melnikov has a very good disc with the most important pieces. Kremer (DG) also played all of them, including the 3 early ones, maybe a bit too weighty for the music. It's been a while that I heard it but Laredo has also a complete 2-disc-set (Brilliant, originally Dorian?) that I liked well enough.





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