Would Polytheism Be Better For Us ?

[Wanderer]

He might have a strong interest in some used peplums, methinks.

At first glance I thought you were referring to veils, but even so... 

I'm not returning your money.

Do I smell lawsuit in the air? 

[karlhenning]

Do I smell lawsuit in the air? 

I thought the only one here who seriously supposes he can take the Almighty to court to redress grievances is the OP?  0:)

[Wanderer]

I thought the only one here who seriously supposes he can take the Almighty to court to redress grievances is the OP?  0:)

I believe there's also been a case in Italy but I can't recall the details. 

[Wilhelm Richard]

Could you please explain to me why is it ok for Israel to be an homeland for the Jews, where as Europeans are seen as racist when they complain about the erosion of their ethnic identity through mass immigration?

I think the answer to that is obvious and I am shocked none of the intellectuals on this forum have cared to enlighten you!  It is because...wait...well...because...well...you know...um...and...and then...um...oh yeah...wait...because...well....................................................................how could you not know?...it just is, ok?

[Wilhelm Richard]

Of course. We all know white people are the cancer of the earth, and the sooner they face extinction, the better.

Amen to that, all they do is bring everyone else down with their fancy music, running water, sophisticated medicine, and a pesky gravitation towards civilization and all of its so called "benifits"...they must be stopped before it is too late.

[Wilhelm Richard]

And "Would Polytheism Be Better For Us?"  I will answer that question with a question...

Would dousing ourselves with gasoline and striking a match rather than going for a jog on sunny day be better for our health?

[Dr. Dread]

Would dousing ourselves with gasoline and striking a match rather than going for a jog on sunny day be better for our health?

Let me pause for reflection...

[ChamberNut]

Let me pause for reflection...

As you sing "Stuck in the Middle with You". 

[karlhenning]

Hah, Ray!

[drogulus]

      Perhaps we should send the Jews back to Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Russia, Poland and Germany where they belong. We could make a rule that all nations founded unjustly are to be dissolved and the inhabitants have to return to the lands of their ancestors.

And "Would Polytheism Be Better For Us?"  I will answer that question with a question...

Would dousing ourselves with gasoline and striking a match rather than going for a jog on sunny day be better for our health?

    The Europeans should have gone jogging in 1939. They didn't exactly douse themselves with gasoline, at least they didn't think of the victims as themselves, because they were the wrong sort of monotheist. Now the survivors who moved to Palestine are charged before history for having racist motives in creating an ethnic state. The defense should point out that ethnic and religious minorities are full citizens in that state, with representatives in the parliament. How many Jews will be represented in the new Palestinian state? Will they be allowed to live there? To move there? To become citizens? And will Christians be allowed to practice their religion in independent Palestine? What about atheists? Will they be free and full citizens? Maybe we should look around the region and see if we can find an example of a multiethnic, multireligious state with minority rights. Where should we look?

[The new erato]

      Perhaps we should send the Jews back to Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Russia, Poland and Germany where they belong. We could make a rule that all nations founded unjustly are to be dissolved and the inhabitants have to return to the lands of their ancestors.

Wow. As the US are cleansed for the benefit of the indians, Norway would triple its population. I can rent out some rooms at ridiculously high rates and quadruple my CD collection in no time!

[Wilhelm Richard]

(In case clarification was needed)
Through sarcasm, I was attempting to express how foolish a move to polytheism would be.  Harming oneself with gasoline would be just as stupid. (but as a monotheist, I may be biased)
I am not entirely sure what that has to do with the Jewish State of Israel, but I will say this briefly (hoping not to divert the attention of this thread's subject)...if the Jews can have one (granted, Jews aren't the only ones who get to function there, but they are the overwhelming majority) why cannot/should not anybody else?

[Josquin des Prez]

Perhaps we should send the Jews back to Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Russia, Poland and Germany where they belong. We could make a rule that all nations founded unjustly are to be dissolved and the inhabitants have to return to the lands of their ancestors.

Nobody has called for a dismantling of the state of Israel. There is an Israel today, and nobody can change that. Much like there is an America today, despite the fact the nation was created by means of ethnic cleansing, a fact which the Americans simply cannot be forgiven for and have to be reminded of constantly. What an interesting double standard. On one side, we have an admirable movement that has resulted in the creation of a vibrant democracy by displacing a bunch of backward barbarians, wheres the other can't go on living without wringing constantly over having created a vibrant democracy by displacing a bunch of backward barbarians. But wait, Israel was created as an haven for a persecuted people, so everything it does is morally justified, even if it goes against international law.

The Europeans should have gone jogging in 1939.

Nota bene, all criticism of Israel can be silenced by citing this one single accident. It doesn't matter whether Israel's human rights record is a disaster. It doesn't matter whether they have conducted themselves like a marauding, apartheid state, causing an infinite amount of unrest in the middle east which has had severe repercussions all over the world. It doesn't even matter that unscrupulous Jewish organizations have bastardized the memory of this singular event by running a veritable Holocaust Industry, thus validating the money grubbing stereotype of this peculiar people in the grossest possible manner. All can be pardoned, when you are a victim of persecution and genocide.

At the same time, because of this very same event and several other horrors which have been committed by evil Europeans (or so our liberal media tells us), it is only natural if Europe itself is destroyed, its national borders corroded, its cultural identity attacked and suppressed, it's very people silently led to ethnic suicide. I mean, look at all the horrors that have been perpetrated by Europeans. Colonialism, slavery, the Holocaust. It is only just that they should die, for that is their atonement to the perpetration of such unmeasurable sins! And woe to those who dare to rise up against this just retribution, for to speak for the welfare of evil Europeans it is to condone all the horrors they have inflicted upon the world.

The defense should point out that ethnic and religious minorities are full citizens in that state, with representatives in the parliament. How many Jews will be represented in the new Palestinian state? Will they be allowed to live there? To move there? To become citizens? And will Christians be allowed to practice their religion in independent Palestine? What about atheists? Will they be free and full citizens? Maybe we should look around the region and see if we can find an example of a multiethnic, multireligious state with minority rights. Where should we look?

That's right. Palestinians have it coming for being a backward, barbaric people. The sooner Israel manages to exterminate those desert rats, the sooner the rest of the world can start breathing. What rights can those people possibly have, why, they are barely even human!

[drogulus]

(In case clarification was needed)
Through sarcasm, I was attempting to express how foolish a move to polytheism would be.  Harming oneself with gasoline would be just as stupid. (but as a monotheist, I may be biased)
I am not entirely sure what that has to do with the Jewish State of Israel, but I will say this briefly (hoping not to divert the attention of this thread's subject)...if the Jews can have one (granted, Jews aren't the only ones who get to function there, but they are the overwhelming majority) why cannot/should not anybody else?

      It's commonly believed that it would be better to die than believe something different from what mom and dad believe right up to the day before you actually change your belief, and then you would rather die before you change again, until you do. All of this overstate peoples knowledge about what they believe as well as the consequences of changing.

      Bias isn't something that worries me, and it doesn't change things much. A zealot with a good argument would be formidable. The arguments aren't usually all that good.  And no, I don't really see any more benefit in becoming polytheist than there would be in becoming a different sort of monotheist. There are some benefits associated with atheism, though I don't think they are available to anyone who becomes one. I don't really want people to become atheists, because most people can't manage it. I want them to reasonably free to become atheists, so that if they can be nothing stops them. If you are one of the people who think you might become one or want to (which might indicate an ability in that direction) then what I say about it might provide a nudge. For all the monos/polys who don't have that interest, I'm more concerned about behavior. Believe what you want, just don't persecute others. And if your child shows promise of leaving the village of belief for the wider world of thought, don't try to interfere.

     I don't think everyone having their own state is a good thing. The best that can happen is to improve the existing ones. The creation of a new state is bound to have tragic consequences.

   

accident

     You confuse a moral justification with the amoral course of history. The creation of states is never an exercise in justice. My approach is to try to improve the least bad thing and avoid the worst consequences.

     

That's right. Palestinians have it coming for being a backward, barbaric people. The sooner Israel manages to exterminate those desert rats, the sooner the rest of the world can start breathing. What rights can those people possibly have, why, they are barely even human!

     That would be more consistent with your ideology than mine. I want a democratic Palestine with rights for minorities alongside a democratic Israel. And if the people of these states at some point decide to create a single state with rights for all and no ethnic or religious language written into their constitution I'd be pleased. That seems rather utopian at this stage.

[Wilhelm Richard]

Believe what you want, just don't persecute others.

Makes sense.
Sadly, as the presence of God is denied in more and more circles, many (not all, but quite a few) of those who do not "believe" take it upon themselves to criticize those who do, calling their beliefs ignorant and blaming them for all that is wrong in the world, citing a few negative examples in human history.

"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over. Why should you and I?"

[david johnson]

Wow. As the US are cleansed for the benefit of the indians, Norway would triple its population. I can rent out some rooms at ridiculously high rates and quadruple my CD collection in no time!

nah, the indians have to go back to asia.

dj

[drogulus]

Makes sense.
Sadly, as the presence of God is denied in more and more circles, many (not all, but quite a few) of those who do not "believe" take it upon themselves to criticize those who do, calling their beliefs ignorant and blaming them for all that is wrong in the world, citing a few negative examples in human history.

"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over. Why should you and I?"

    What's wrong with attacking beliefs? This is very curious. My position is really simple. I advocate a classic liberal position which has always been based on a freedom of belief that is incomprehensible without an underlying rationale that most beliefs are not true, but that people ought to be free to hold them. Believers, OTOH, always insist in one way or another that people should believe the one true bullshit and tolerate freedom of thought only for as long as they might prosper under it, until the blessed day when freedom is abolished forever. You think that what's wrong with the world is that everyone has their own idiotic belief instead of your idiotic one. I think what's wrong with the world is that no matter which of the idiot systems prevails people who think like you will be in the majority, so all the rest of us can do is to try and sell you on the idea that we would all be better off for now if eveyone had rights. This actually works, even for the majority who often think the right to believe makes the beliefs right.

[karlhenning]

I can sign on for poly-tea-ism.

[greg]

nah, the indians have to go back to asia.

dj

not to mention so many people have maybe 1 or 2 ancestors that are Indian (like me) so how would you work that out? Maybe divide it specifically- like, cut off my finger and leave it here and then send the rest of me to someplace in Europe? (preferably Germany...)

[Elgarian]

I can sign on for poly-tea-ism.

How does the song go?

"Poly put the kettle on, Poly put the kettle on ... etc"
Is that Poly-tea-ism?