Britain has a Blacklist?!?

[Coopmv]

Oh, of course not the people- I've lived next to (Muslim) Arabs for about 7 years. They never caused any problems- just got loud each Ramadan with their 6 or so kids, which isn't bad. The thing is, if there's that many Muslims in the world, I mean, really- can you even imagine the world becoming more peaceful? Really, now....
True, about the last paragraph.

What make you think the Arabs would dominate the world and not the Chinese?  The Chinese are smarter and are catching up with the west in many areas of technologies.  They are pragmatic and are building up tremendous amount of wealth.  They once built the largest (Mongol) empire the world has ever seen and the ambition of world domination is always in their blood.  I just do not see how the Arabs can be a match for the Chinese.  We in the west should be more worried about the ascendancy of China than a probable Muslim takeover ...

[Josquin des Prez]

I think you people are missing the point. It does not matter a single bit whether Muslims will be able to continue civilization or whether they will drive the world in a dark age, it is sufficient to know that Europeans are dying to show concern for their welfare and mourn their passing, particularly if you are European yourself. It is very bizarre for me to have to school people to the idea that their own survival and the survival of their children is somehow important.

It's good that i somehow managed to wake people up to one of the issues that has been corroding my peace of mind for a few years now. From my part, i don't believe Islam will continue Western Civilization, even if they do experience a Renaissance of sort. Their culture will invariably be middle eastern in origin, and will be incompatible with the values and achievements of the west, much like the previous cultural Renaissance of the Arabs which lead to their near "world" domination (in so far as the world was understood at the time) was never fully compatible with the values and achievements of the Greeks, however much they happened to learn from them. This casts a bleak glimpse to the future not only of our survival as a people but also to many of our cultural achievements. My beef with this problem is that only those so called "right-wing extremists" seem to have any concern for this whatsoever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0mrOIVOpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccI9RsvOYuU

Can anybody explain to me why this may be?

[Frumaster]

It is very bizarre for me to have to school people to the idea that their own survival and the survival of their children is somehow important.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

My beef with this problem is that only those so called "right-wing extremists" seem to have any concern for this whatsoever:

Can anybody explain to me why this may be?

Well its quite simple really.  A revolution, led by the vocal minority in this country, is pushing us into the new world order at a rapid pace.  The so called 'right wing extremists' are really your typical moderates who believe in the sovereignty of the nation and basic constitutional principles.  But as we know from history, revolutions cleanse themselves of all moderate elements....marginalizing them is the first step.  Only the radical fringes of 'change' survive....and then they too are untimately devoured, leaving behind a wrecked society susceptible to despotism.  Yay!

[zamyrabyrd]

Who would you kick out of Britain?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5279666/Who-would-you-kick-out-of-Britain.html

[Josquin des Prez]

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Now you are starting to sound like Francis Yockey:

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/fpyockey/liberalism.html

I believe this guy was some order of magnitudes on the right of Hitler. 

[Frumaster]

Now you are starting to sound like Francis Yockey:

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/fpyockey/liberalism.html

I believe this guy was some order of magnitudes on the right of Hitler. 

Not familiar with Yockey, I'll read it though...ok, finished it.  Some good points on the Enlightenment, which I have always viewed as a rejection of reality and rampant hypocrisy...and the ideological birth of total warfare as we know it.  God only knows how many millions have died in the name of ideals that developed during that period.  Other parts of the paper were a little too stuffy with terms that are constantly evolving.  I sense some sexism as well.

I always thought Hitler was a mishmash of the right and left wing.  I defy anyone to make sense of "National Socialist German Labor Party".  There was something in it for everyone, which is why they were able wedge between the Communist party and the Conservative party to gain the majority of votes.  He identified more with the conservative party by default more than anything....

[Frumaster]

Who would you kick out of Britain?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5279666/Who-would-you-kick-out-of-Britain.html

I am still baffled at how this woman was able to ban whomever she wished on her own.  All others on the list I agree with....but the means by which it was compiled and placed in effect is worrying.

[zamyrabyrd]

If I may be so bold, musicians are in a special position to appreciate the significance of culture and by extension, values. Wanting to preserve one's culture, if it is good, compassionate, productive, idealististic, esthetic, etc., is a far cry from colonialists' forcing superficialities of their own lifestyle and religion on native peoples. Somehow in order to repent for the sins of empires, the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction--utter self-abasement towards any culture or religion even if they stone adulterers and heretics, keep most of their populations in abject poverty and ignorance, etc.

The floodgates to immigration in Europe were opened about 30 years ago. The few voices of criticism and concern were squashed down then as they are now, only the problem of large, rapidly producing culturally hostile populations are now in everyone's face, Still the dinosaurs in the living room are being pacified, deftly passed over and if they bite, rationalized away.

Demographics of the near future:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

[Florestan]

They once built the largest (Mongol) empire the world has ever seen

They didn't. The Mongols did, which were not even remotely Chinese.

[snyprrr]

Am I the only one who tends to think the "Muslim horde" is a smokescreen? Why am I not scared of them?

Am I the only one who thinks that Michael Savage (Alex Jones?) is a liberal? or that nice "Christian" girls wouldn't be caught dead in a beauty pagaent?

Am I the only one who thinks it strange that "hang" is the middle word of "change"?

My new motto: FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The freshest thing I heard: the other day my friend said if he were president, the first thing he'd do is invade Switzerland! Brilliant!

Why did building 7 collapse?

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

I am no expert on Islam, but it seems to me that all Muslims cannot be tarred with the same brush of extremism.

The country where I live (Russia) is about 20% Muslim. That's a lot more Muslim than any country in the EU or in the Americas. Moscow probably has more Muslims than any European city (probably at least a million). Yet I am not going around in fear that crazed Islamic suicide bombers are going to blow themselves up in any cafes that I frequent. That's because Russian Muslims (with few exceptions) are not fanatics. Plenty of them drink vodka and eat pork like everyone else here.

Again, I'm not an expert, but my hunch is that a long period of Russian cultural influence, Communist suppression of religion, and certain local peculiarities have produced a much more moderate Islam around here than what you find in the Middle East and elsewhere. In Tatarstan on the Volga, for instance, there was a modernization movement among Muslims known as Jadidism, which attempted to update and modify Islamic practices.

I was in Kazan (the capital of Tatarstan) a couple of years ago. In terms of religious buildings, it is about equally divided between mosques and Orthodox churches, with a couple of synagogues too. Yet the Muslims, Christians and Jews of this city all live together in peace.  

[DFO]

Snypurrr: No need to invade. All you need is to find a really good hacker and emptied all the bank accounts, including the millions of
nazi money still there.

[Florestan]

I am no expert on Islam, but it seems to me that all Muslims cannot be tarred with the same brush of extremism.

Romania has its share of Muslims too, Turkish and Tatar people living mainly in the maritime (Black Sea) province of Dobrogea (Dobrudja), which historically belonged for a very long time to the Ottoman Empire. They are peaceful, nice and hospitable, fully integrated long time ago in the Romanian society; they are bilingual, inter-faith marriages are the norm and their mosques stand side by side with the Orthodox churches.

But I think the Russian or Romanian Muslims's case, being there and cohabiting (is this a word?) with the Christian majority for hundreds of years, is completely different from the case of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, where the appeal of extremism and fanaticism is much stronger.

[Josquin des Prez]

Let's not forget that there's always the racialist issue. Arabs will not integrate because they have no biological affinity with indigenous Europeans. Their culture will always be different because the people are different. Indeed, one of the reasons why Greek culture got such a strong hold in Europe is that the ancient Greeks and European people are more or less the same from a genetic point of view. For centuries we saw ourselves as the direct descendants of the Greeks, more so even then the Greeks themselves, who's racial composition has been compromised by centuries of foreign invasions. How can our cultural achievements survive in the midst of a population that thinks and feels and experiences the world in a radically different way then us? 

[Florestan]

For centuries we saw ourselves as the direct descendants of the Greeks, more so even then the Greeks themselves, who's racial composition has been compromised by centuries of foreign invasions.

J, who are these "we" you are referring to, as opposed to the racially compromised Greeks?

[Josquin des Prez]

J, who are these "we" you are referring to, as opposed to the racially compromised Greeks?

The ancient Greeks were predominantly of Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean and Dinaric stock, the same as indigenous Europeans. You can find information on the racial characteristics of the European people in this website:

http://www.amorsite.shorturl.com/

It seems to be acting out for me but you can download the entire website on the page i just linked to. The information of this site is based on the works of Carleton S. Coon, an American physical anthropologist. Coon was a serious scholar with no political affiliation so his work is devoid of any reference to the theory of biodiversity and the study of the psychological differences of the European races. For that you have to refer to the works of National Socialists like Hans Gunther, if you have the guts to read it:

http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoehcover.htm

[Florestan]

The ancient Greeks were predominantly of Noridc, Alpine, Mediterranean and Dinaric stock, the same as indigenous Europeans.

Thanks, I shall certainly study that link. As far as I know, the only indigenous Europeans are the Basques in Spain and the Lappi in Finland. All others are from the Indo-European stock.

Now, let's consider the existing Europeans nations. Again, as far as I know, each and every one of them, without exception, is founded upon a mixture of peoples: besides the "civilized" Greeks and Romans (which were themselves rather a collection of ethnically different tribes than homogenous nations), their genetic and racial stock comprises of, in no particular order, Celts, Franks, Burgunds, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Marcomanni, Saxons, Thuringians, Suevi, Thracians, Western Slavs, Southern Slavs, Eastern Slavs, Balts, Alans, Sarmatians, Huns, Magyars, Mongols, Cumans, Petchenegs etc --- you name it, the history has it. IMO, it makes little sense to talk of nowadays Europeans as a racial or genetical monolith. Europe was historically defined more in terms of religion and culture: Christianity, in its main historical developments (Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Lutheranism and Calvinism) and the Graeco-Roman heritage shaped it. In the words of Paul Valery, Europe means the unique combination of Athens, Rome and Jerusalem.

Look at it this way: Germans have come to be regarded in the modern world as the embodiment of order, discipline and lawfulness. Two thousands years ago, they were just a bunch of barbarians threatening the orderly, disciplined and law-abiding world of Romans. 

For that you have to refer to the works of National Socialists like Hans Gunther, if you have the guts to read it:

I am not afraid of reading anything, as long as I keep my own reason and common-sense. 

[DavidRoss]

Look at it this way: Germans have come to be regarded in the modern world as the embodiment of order, discipline and lawfulness. Two thousands years ago, they were just a bunch of barbarians threatening the orderly, disciplined and law-abiding world of Romans. 

Aren't you forgetting something?

[Franco]

I found the first link to be disgusting, and if it were the milder of the two I will pass on the second.  It reminded me of some material I once saw about breeds of dogs. 

Imo, there is only one race, the human race.  I think the world's population groups have much more in common than what distinguishes us, and think it is much more productive to look for ways to enhance our like-ness than for what separates us.

On the topic of this thread, I think the action by the UK government to be arbitrary and without merit.

[Josquin des Prez]

I found the first link to be disgusting, and if it were the milder of the two I will pass on the second.  It reminded me of some material I once saw about breeds of dogs.

Good god, imagine that. Human biology conforming to the same rules governing other animals. How can this be?

Imo, there is only one race, the human race.

In short, you want to deny reality and substitute it with wishful thinking. Gotcha.