Britain has a Blacklist?!?

[Florestan]

Aren't you forgetting something?

Heinrich Heine's 1834 (!) astonishingly accurate prophecy, perhaps.

"Christianity - and that is its greatest merit - has somewhat mitigated that brutal German love of war, but it could not destroy it. Should that subduing talisman, the cross, be shattered, the frenzied madness of the ancient warriors, that insane Berserk rage of which Nordic bards have spoken and sung so often, will once more burst into flame. This talisman is fragile, and the day will come when it will collapse miserably. Then the ancient stony gods will rise from the forgotten debris and rub the dust of a thousand years from their eyes, and finally Thor with his giant hammer will jump up and smash the Gothic cathedrals. (...)
Do not smile at my advice -- the advice of a dreamer who warns you against Kantians, Fichteans, and philosophers of nature. Do not smile at the visionary who anticipates the same revolution in the realm of the visible as has taken place in the spiritual. Thought precedes action as lightning precedes thunder. German thunder is of true Germanic character; it is not very nimble, but rumbles along ponderously. Yet, it will come and when you hear a crashing such as never before has been heard in the world's history, then you know that the German thunderbolt has fallen at last. At that uproar the eagles of the air will drop dead, and lions in the remotest deserts of Africa will hide in their royal dens. A play will be performed in Germany which will make the French Revolution look like an innocent idyll."

[emphasis mine]

[Bu]

This thread is depressing the hell out of me.   

[c#minor]

Anyone who opposes ... islamic rule of the west, etc, is a racist and a bigot now?

I just starting reading this from the top and maybe this has already been addressed.

Islamic Rule of the West??? Are you serious... like for real? If you honestly believe this as a remote possibility you are either a paranoid schizophrenic or have bought into the bullshit ultra conservative rhetoric that most of the pundits that pump out this crap don't even believe. It is the ultra-conservative "shock doctrine", it's not real.

But even though i dislike Mr. Savage, because he is one of the reasons why people think that there could be an "Islamic Rule of the West", he should not be blacklisted. No one should be blacklisted, i ascribe to the Millsian idea of freedom of speech.

[Lethevich]

I just starting reading this from the top and maybe this has already been addressed.

Islamic Rule of the West??? Are you serious... like for real? If you honestly believe this as a remote possibility you are either a paranoid schizophrenic or have bought into the bullshit ultra conservative rhetoric that most of the pundits that pump out this crap don't even believe. It is the ultra-conservative "shock doctrine", it's not real.

But even though i dislike Mr. Savage, because he is one of the reasons why people think that there could be an "Islamic Rule of the West", he should not be blacklisted. No one should be blacklisted, i ascribe to the Millsian idea of freedom of speech.

Then do you oppose the stats that Josquin brought up - the fact that the birthrate for white European citizens does not come close to breaking an even 2.0 (hence, their numbers are in decline), wheras Islamic immigrant birthrates are as high as 8.0, causing the population to quadruple each generation. This coupled with the expressed interest of around half of (for example) British muslims in creating Sharia law in the UK, how can such outlooks be argued against?

[Josquin des Prez]

Thanks, I shall certainly study that link. As far as I know, the only indigenous Europeans are the Basques in Spain and the Lappi in Finland. All others are from the Indo-European stock.

Sorry, i meant modern Europeans. The true indigenous Europeans are of the upper paleolithic type which constitutes the chief and most common racial element in Europe, the other being the Mediterranean, which according to Coon split into two different branches a long time ago, the Mediterranean proper, and the depigmented "corded" variation, that is, the (in)famous Nordic race, which were the original Indo-Europeans, or so they say. Modern Europeans are essentially a mix between UP, Mediterranean and Nordic strains, in various degrees and forms.   

Now, let's consider the existing Europeans nations. Again, as far as I know, each and every one of them, without exception, is founded upon a mixture of peoples: besides the "civilized" Greeks and Romans (which were themselves rather a collection of ethnically different tribes than homogenous nations), their genetic and racial stock comprises of, in no particular order, Celts, Franks, Burgunds, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals, Marcomanni, Saxons, Thuringians, Suevi, Thracians, Western Slavs, Southern Slavs, Eastern Slavs, Balts, Alans, Sarmatians, Huns, Magyars, Mongols, Cumans, Petchenegs etc --- you name it, the history has it. IMO, it makes little sense to talk of nowadays Europeans as a racial or genetical monolith. Europe was historically defined more in terms of religion and culture: Christianity, in its main historical developments (Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Lutheranism and Calvinism) and the Graeco-Roman heritage shaped it. In the words of Paul Valery, Europe means the unique combination of Athens, Rome and Jerusalem.

Well, now we are getting into a nurture versus nature argument. I don't deny that culture is important, but i still think the biological element of Europe was a contributing factor to the course of our history. I think what it comes down to is not so much a question of culture, but one of spirit, of soul. Pick a person that you know, a good friend for instance, and imagine this individual being born in a foreign country, raised and nurtured by a completely different environment. Would you still think this as the same person? How would the new environment affect his personality? What if you were born in a completely different environment. Would you still consider yourself to be the same person, deep inside? This, i think, is the principal implication of race. No matter the type of environment or culture in which a person is born, people of a particular biological make up will retain their own unique spirit regardless of the type of upbringing they receive.

Look at it this way: Germans have come to be regarded in the modern world as the embodiment of order, discipline and lawfulness. Two thousands years ago, they were just a bunch of barbarians threatening the orderly, disciplined and law-abiding world of Romans. 

Yeah, but that's a general misconception. The Germans were less savage then you think, their society consisting of stable agrarian communities presided by powerful landowners who had to adhere to strict laws and regulations, which sounds frightfully similar to how Rome started, and by the time they became a threat to the Romans, the latter weren't that disciplined and law-abiding anymore. If you are going to insuinate that the Germans were savages because of their warlike attitudes then you might as well include the Romans as well, seeing how Rome was build on a warpath.

I am not afraid of reading anything, as long as I keep my own reason and common-sense. 

Gunther isn't too bad, though he seems to have an obvious bias for the Nordic race, and there are some odd discrepancies in his theory. For instance, he mentions how the Dinaric people have a gift for music, and indeed many of the great composers were either perdominatly Dinaric or had Dinaric blood in them (Gesualdo, Monteverdi, Sweelinck, Lully, Rameau, Haydn, Mozart, Paganini, Berlioz, Chopin, Liszt, Wager, Bruckner and Verdi out of the top of my head), but he doesn't mention the musical gifts of those of Alpine mixture (Bach, Handel, Gluck, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Dvorak, Faure and Janacek).

Of course, the majority of those artists had Nordic blood in them so perhaps that's how he figured they inherited their creativity.  The problem is that many of his psychological insights seemed to be quite accurate. In the office, i have Alpine, Dinaric (including myself) and Nordic coworkers, and they all adhere to the psychological profile offered by Gunther to an absurd degree, and i noticed the same patterns elsewhere. I think his error lies in the fact he cannot see the nobility of spirit of the other races based on their own peculiar psychological expression. He accuses the Alpines of being a people who prefer comfortable mediocrity to the noble idealism of the Nordic race, but he doesn't see how stronger the Alpine feels for his fellow man, as exemplified in the works of a Beethoven, or a Fellini.

[Frumaster]

Of course, the majority of those artists had Nordic blood in them so perhaps that's how he figured they inherited their creativity.  The problem is that many of his psychological insights seemed to be quite accurate. In the office, i have Alpine, Dinaric (including myself) and Nordic coworkers, and they all adhere to the psychological profile offered by Gunther to an absurd degree.

How do you figure out which line you descended from?  Is it really possible anymore with all the mixing that has probably gone on?  I know my geneaology only back to the mid-1800s or so.  It appears my father's side is of Germanic origin and my mother's of Scottish.  It would be fascinating if studies could be conducted

[Josquin des Prez]

How do you figure out which line you descended from?

Well, you can either create an account at skadi and ask for a racial evaluation, or you can study the physiological traits of each race and determine which category you belong. Being of northern European ancestry, it is likely that you may fall within one of the following categories:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-main.htm

Is it really possible anymore with all the mixing that has probably gone on?

It is still possible, but it's a lot harder, and it takes an expert to catch the finer details. Genetics would put the issue at rest in the bat of an eye, but that's not an option unfortunately.

[Que]

This thread has gone off topic and is now closed.

I recommend anyone who, like me, feels dirty just by reading all this filth, to make a fresh pot of tea and listen to some nice music.

Q