Does GMG has a blacklist?

[Bulldog]

It was an ironic comment, it had nothing to do with you personally and I'm disappointed you didn't get it.

You've been all over the place on this thread.  First, you get the threads mixed up.  Then, you seem to think that I should know when you're not being serious.  Maybe your original post wasn't serious either.  Whatever, I do appreciate the above response.

[Bulldog]

Sometimes i feel i'm not very well liked in this forum.

Sometimes I also feel you are not well liked.  How many friends do you really have?

[Frumaster]

Sometimes i feel i'm not very well liked in this forum. I wonder why that could be the case.

Its because you are Nordic!   Just kidding.  Fascinating links, by the way

[karlhenning]

Sometimes i feel i'm not very well liked in this forum. I wonder why that could be the case.

Doesn't require genius to figure this out.

[Josquin des Prez]

Its because you are Nordic!   Just kidding.  Fascinating links, by the way

That's the rub. I'm not actually Nordic. I'm one of those swarthy Italians who wouldn't even pass the test to get admittance at a national socialist rally. I'm a Nazi to the anti-racists as much as i'm a filthy Italian congoid to the fascists. It's just a weird position to find oneself in. Not that i'm interested in being accepted by either group. My interest stems from need to discover what to me seems like the truth. My only bias is that i seem to love European culture and it's achievements more then any other. This is how i got into this mess in the first place. The more i exposed myself to the works of the masters, the more i wanted to discover why there was nobody like them anymore, and this is how i ended up. 

[Josquin des Prez]

Sometimes I also feel you are not well liked.  How many friends do you really have?

Just my cat. 

[Que]

Yes and I realized that. I apologize for this, but I still don't understand what was so "filthy" about the locked thread.

Well if you know what hate-speech is, what xenophobia is and what racism is, it should be clear to you what I meant by that. You do not have to agree. (And no, I'm obviously not referring to all posters)

But that was my personal opinion on certain "contributions" to the thread. The thread was closed primairily for being off topic.

And I was not inclined to foster a separate, "private" thread for JdP & friend to continue to plug their ideology either. Remember that this forum is not a platform for the continuous promotion of a particular ideology, this is considered trolling.  (Quote from the Forum Guidelines: " A forum troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an online discussion forum with the deliberate intent to bait users into responding.")

Also, the voicing of certain ideological ideas will be detriment to the atmosphere on the forum and will be offensive to several members here. May I point out to you that this forum is not a Christian-whites-party only? You might have noticed? This forum is an (international) community to first and foremost talk about classical music, and it is the task of the moderators to keep the peace and maintain order and the standards set by the guidelines.

I'm aware that all this fuss stems from your perception that the moderating on the forum is left-wing biased. The accusation of biased moderating is right there in the title of this very thread, and I do take offence. But I can only respond by saying that you are mistaken in your assumptions.

Q

[c#minor]

I refer you to my message to you in the original thread - what is so "filthy" about some of the verifiable statistics mentioned in that thread? It's not that I have a "racist" agenda to push these - I had not thought about them before, and it was precisely because they seemed reasonably convincing to me despite being contrary to my usual point of view which prompted me to ask you this.

It got into a discussion of racial supremacy and protecting one's own race. I don't care which race is being sided with, i think it's ignorant and bigoted. Race does not make anyone inherently smarter, better, more moral, ect. It's a different story if people are trying to protect themselves against racism, but i really do not think that is at all what was being discussed. Who cares if a race of people will become a minority/majority of the populace. And to the idea that Muslim people inherently want to unwillingly subject everyone to their laws and beliefs is ignorant. Though it is true that there is a minority of Muslims who want to do this it is a very small radical minority. And if the radical minority did not live in such poverty they would be almost non existent. In an affluent society you see almost no radicalization of the populace. Even in America the White Supremacists generally inhabit the lower regions of the socioeconomic ladder.

Even though i have alot of disputes and was offended with the previous "blacklisted" thread i still do not think it should have been closed. Censorship is always does more bad than good in the long run. You have to let the ignorant opinions be heard so that people know what is wrong.

[c#minor]

Well if you know what hate-speech is, what xenophobia is and what racism is, it should be clear to you what I meant by that. You do not have to agree. (And no, I'm obviously not referring to all posters)

Well said.

[Josquin des Prez]

Doesn't require genius to figure this out.

I was being self ironic. I blame your Borreby origin for lack of human empathy (yes, this is a joke too).

[Lethevich]

C#minor - this "very small minority" you speak of is 40% (at least in regards to the United Kingdom, where English language information is naturally much easier to find). It's not something I want to believe either, but the statistics are there. 40% of British muslims want the country to be subject to Sharia law. This simply makes them ideologically incompatable with everything my country has reached for.

Edit: and naturally, this 40% are simply the ones who will admit it to journaists.

[Guido]

Sometimes i feel i'm not very well liked in this forum. I wonder why that could be the case.

It's posts like this that make me treasure your presence here despite all the rest of it.  

Also I love the thread title.

[c#minor]

C#minor - this "very small minority" you speak of is 40% (at least in regards to the United Kingdom, where English language information is naturally much easier to find). It's not something I want to believe either, but the statistics are there. 40% of British muslims want the country to be subject to Sharia law. This simply makes them ideologically incompatable with everything my country has reached for.

Edit: and naturally, this 40% are simply the ones who will admit it to journaists.

Do these 40% want the entire UK to be under Shari law or do these 40% want to practice Shari law? There is a difference.

[Lethevich]

It was that they wanted it "introduced". I am not sure whether there is any ambiguity in there, but I took it that they wish this to replace the current British legal system in whatever areas they want their floggings to take place. I'll read up on it some more, but sadly these polls are often ambiguous in their initial questions.

Edit:

"The most startling finding is the high level of support for applying sharia law in "predominantly Muslim" areas of Britain."

More ambiguity - does this mean "to be practiced only inside these areas", or "the support for its introduction is coming from these areas"? What are these journalists being paid for if they cannot even display their findings clearly.

[Daverz]

I think it has. Any topic that results in discussing "race" or "nationality", even on a purely theoretical basis, bearing no practical implications whatsoever, will end being labelled as "filth" and getting locked.

That wasn't a discussion, it was just a lot of very stupid racist spew.  The mods aren't aggressive enough about shutting down this kind of shit.  It opens the entire board up to ridicule for tolerating it.   

[c#minor]

It was that they wanted it "introduced". I am not sure whether there is any ambiguity in there, but I took it that they wish this to replace the current British legal system in whatever areas they want their floggings to take place. I'll read up on it some more, but sadly these polls are often ambiguous in their initial questions.

Not that i really know, I understood that residents could choose to be tried under Shari law rather than civil. I have no idea how this would be worked out. I really doubt that they would ask for a blanket policy for certain areas or groups of people. My understanding is that someone would have to consent to be tried under Shari law. But I am not at all sure of that, I just have a feeling I heard that.

My personal experience with Muslims in America have always been affirming in the fact that they are no different from Jews or Christians or anyone else. They practice their own beliefs while living in a civil society. I have quite a bit of experience with Muslims considering I have quite a few friends. Going to school in the city with the largest Kurdish population outside of Iraq has given me a decent amount of exposure. Having a very vocal Muslim women who practiced hajib in my philosophy class having to defend herself constantly from ignorant remarks has made me very sympathetic to those who deal with "anti-Muslim sentiment". I just think the Islamic community has gotten a bad rap. People need to go out and meet these people and talk with them before they immediately judge.

That's just my perspective on it, i might be too optimistic.

[Lethevich]

That's just my perspective on it, i might be too optimistic.

I am like that most of the time, it's just that the stats have a nasty habit of sometimes contradicting my views

[c#minor]

That wasn't a discussion, it was just a lot of very stupid racist spew.  The mods aren't aggressive enough about shutting down this kind of shit.  It opens the entire board up to ridicule for tolerating it.   

I disagree, it can be ignored. It would have been ignored if it continued. It would, as it has for me, further affirmed most peoples belief that what was being spewed (not by everyone, some were having a discussion) was ignorance. Censorship serves no good and reasonable purpose. People are intelligent enough to hear all points of view.  

[c#minor]

I am like that most of the time, it's just that the stats have a nasty habit of sometimes contradicting my views

then you read the stats that correspond with your views  .  at least it makes you feel better  0:)

[DavidRoss]

Not a blacklist, I think, but enforcement of the guidelines is certainly selective and Que does tend to be more heavy-handed than the other mods--like a bouncer who'd rather 86 a customer who rubs him wrong before the fight starts instead of after.  Whether you agree or not, we're all guests here at Rob's place and if we don't like it we're free to leave.  Some have.

I see several new posts have arrived while I was writing this.  How ironic that some of those who earlier complained about the locked thread having veered off-topic into discussion of "sensitive" matters are now participating in an off-topic discussion of the same "sensitive" matters.