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[karlhenning]

Talk is cheap

QED

[Mn Dave]

Just pulled up The Essential Miles Davis on Spotify. What the heck.

[karlhenning]

This is feeling like . . . The Shed . . . .

[Mn Dave]

This is feeling like . . . The Shed . . . .

How so? 

[Grazioso]

QED

According to recent scholarship, QED bears an ominous hidden meaning, for it is--so the theory goes--a cryptogram for the ancient Sumerian Pfft, uttered to ward off evil whenever a High Priest farted during a debauch celebrating the music god, Boulezu. Bedouin nomads apparently preserved the tradition, and an Arab scholar recorded it for posterity:

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even Pfft may die.

Supposedly a Roman mystery cult adopted it, but after a few unfortunate crucifixions for heresy, they had to change it to QED, meaning, in the vernacular, "James has shown us the Way." Yet the Goths were having none of that, preferring their narrow improvised music, played on bone flutes and hammered skulls...

See Jowcol. Heresies and Homilies: The Emergence of the Jamesian Sect. Oxford: Oxford UP, 2011.

Procrastinator is a great recording and you are right about those two cuts penned by Shorter, they are strong.  Morgan and Shorter worked well together going back to their days with Art Blakey.  Lee Moragn also did a lot with Joe Henderson, and those sides are also very good.

Old Alfred Lion enjoyed an embarass de richesses during the early 60's, with top talent cross-polinating across the Blue Note releases: guys like Henderson, Morgan, Shorter, Blakey, Tyner, Hancock, Hutcherson, Green, Silver, Dorham, Hubbard, Gordon, et al. You can dip into just about any of the Blue Note RVG's and find something great.

[escher]

As far Matthew Shipp - I like this one best:

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But his stuff is so varied, you can hear very different things from each of his CDs, you kind of have to pick an area that appeals to you and be careful with the others since it may not your thing.

thank you 

[escher]

Old Alfred Lion enjoyed an embarass de richesses during the early 60's, with top talent cross-polinating across the Blue Note releases: guys like Henderson, Morgan, Shorter, Blakey, Tyner, Hancock, Hutcherson, Green, Silver, Dorham, Hubbard, Gordon, et al. You can dip into just about any of the Blue Note RVG's and find something great.

true, my only regret is that in that movement there wasn't a guitarist. I mean, there were a lot of great guitarists but they made all different stuff.

[karlhenning]

How so? 

It may just contain All Things . . . .

[karlhenning]

According to recent scholarship, QED bears an ominous hidden meaning, for it is--so the theory goes--a cryptogram for the ancient Sumerian Pfft, uttered to ward off evil whenever a High Priest farted during a debauch celebrating the music god, Boulezu. Bedouin nomads apparently preserved the tradition, and an Arab scholar recorded it for posterity:

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even Pfft may die.

Supposedly a Roman mystery cult adopted it, but after a few unfortunate crucifixions for heresy, they had to change it to QED, meaning, in the vernacular, "James has shown us the Way." Yet the Goths were having none of that, preferring their narrow improvised music, played on bone flutes and hammered skulls...

See Jowcol. Heresies and Homilies: The Emergence of the Jamesian Sect. Oxford: Oxford UP, 2011.

Certain elements of this thread have inspired me to coin QEP, quid erat perforandum, for the one with numerous holes in his logic . . . .

[karlhenning]

I often wonder what many of the losers on this board do for a living.

QED

[Grazioso]

true, my only regret is that in that movement there wasn't a guitarist. I mean, there were a lot of great guitarists but they made all different stuff.

Grant Green! Try Idle Moments for a classic recording. There's a nice box set that collects tracks from across the many, many albums he cut with BN under his own name and with other artists.

and finally Paradise, and I think you can guess what it would be like.

99 virgins playing Stockhausen's Licht in the nude?

[Grazioso]

Bearded loser.

And here we see evidence of the Jamesians' historically rooted antipathy towards the Barbarians, who, according to folk etymology, are the "Bearded Ones."

[escher]

Grant Green! Try Idle Moments for a classic recording. There's a nice box set that collects tracks from across the many, many albums he cut with BN under his own name and with other artists.

oh, i've listened to idle moments (though i've listened to it many years ago), but he as montgomery is more a blues guitarist, he didn't make stuff like Hill, Shorter, Dolphy, Booker Little, Henderson, Rivers, Hutcherson, Dickerson, Moncur etc. Of all the guitarist i can recall now, maybe Jim Hall is the most compatible with that idea of music, but at least for what i know there's not an album (at least in that period)  in that particular vein focused on guitar.

[Grazioso]

oh, i've listened to idle moments (though i've listened to it many years ago), but he as montgomery is more a blues guitarist, he didn't make stuff like Hill, Shorter, Dolphy, Booker Little, Henderson, Rivers, Hutcherson, Dickerson, Moncur etc. Of all the guitarist i can recall now, maybe Jim Hall is the most compatible with that idea of music, but at least for what i know there's not an album (at least in that period)  in that particular vein focused on guitar.

True, but then again, most of those guys all moved back and forth (impressively) between different playing situations, from soulful hard bop ("The Sidewinder" and other would-be hits fostered by Lion) to more edgy work, but BN was never, afaik, truly the home for really cutting-edge experimentation, a few discs by Ornette, Cecil Taylor, etc. apart. Green was more conservative, but darn good in his idiom.

[Grazioso]

You're right, there' s not any guitarists I can think of exactly like Andrew Hill or Wayne Shorter - but there are some great guitarists from that period besides Grant Green or Wes Montgomery, like Barney Kessel, Tal Farlow, Kenny Burell, Joe Pass, Pat Martino, and Jimmy Raney.

Jim Hall, too.

[Grazioso]

Yeh, but he had mentioned Jim Hall already.

Oops. Quite right.

[escher]

You're right, there' s not any guitarists I can think of exactly like Andrew Hill or Wayne Shorter - but there are some great guitarists from that period besides Grant Green or Wes Montgomery, like Barney Kessel, Tal Farlow, Kenny Burell, Joe Pass, Pat Martino, and Jimmy Raney.

i know them (though raney in a very superficial way), but at least for what i know they seems (though they have different styles) all more hard bop guitarists than "post-bop" "in and out" or whatever you want to call that kind of music. There's Guitar form of Burrell that is a bit different and more on the cool side because Gil Evans is the arranger, but clearly it sounds more similar to Out of the cool or Sketches of spain than to Point of departure or Miles Smiles or Destination out. But if you have suggestions i'm curious, after all there are a lot of album of those guitarists that i have not listened yet.

[escher]

Actually, there isn't a guitarist who is in the same stylistic area as Andrew Hill, or Joe Henderson, other than Grant Green, he comes closest, IMO - like on the record Solid - or Matador, Street of Dreams, not really like Hill or Shorter, no, but still with the flavor, because of the sidemen if for no other reason.

i've listened to matador years ago, i remember it sounds more like a coltrane album because there are mccoy tyner and elvin jones... or am i wrong? Anyway I will try Solid and street of dreams, thank you.
What about Martino? I do know his first great El hombre that is more soul jazz (and it swings like hell, one of the best and funniest jazz guitar albums i know), but i've listened few of his later stuff, any recommendation?

[jowcol]

According to recent scholarship, QED bears an ominous hidden meaning, for it is--so the theory goes--a cryptogram for the ancient Sumerian Pfft, uttered to ward off evil whenever a High Priest farted during a debauch celebrating the music god, Boulezu. Bedouin nomads apparently preserved the tradition, and an Arab scholar recorded it for posterity:

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even Pfft may die.

I KNEW that I detected the nefarious tentacles of Cthulhu in here somewhere.  (And it is a coincidence that Henning lives in Innsmouth?  I think not!)  '
I've done a bit of research by pulling some of the unformatted text from this thread, and looked what I found--

Nah .. this is unnecessary and doesnt work, because <tag Subject="the Elder ones">we </tag> place restrictions on things, attach <tag Object="Necronomicon">stigmas</tag> to things, neatly try to <tag Reference="Lovecraft:Call of Cthulhu">compartmentalize </tag>things ..  and anything that doesn't fit creates <tag Reference="Azathoth: Mindless deity blithering in Chaos">confusion. </tag> Where do we put it? etc. Not to mention the amount of effort put into this kind of thinking, it's a big waste of time. <tag Reference="Music of Erik Zann">Musicians</tag> don't waste their time mulling over such <tag Reference="The Essential James">bullshit</tag>. <tag Repetition of obvious>They simply create the music.<tag>

Yes- this thread is fully infestated with tags. Not just any, but I'm sure all of these come straight form the Necronomicon.

Worse yet, think of the references to compartmentalize and thinking being a waste of time, and then this classic forward by H.P Lovecraft, and tell me that you don't see the tentacles of Cthulhu in this.

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." 
           HP Lovecraft

In James' exhortations that we decontextualize ourselves and surrender to the immediacy of the music itself, could he possible be sending us directly into the clammy embrace of Cthulhu?

[jowcol]

Bearded loser.

Don't leave  me out! I have one too!