Viva Vivaldi!

[Gurn Blanston]

I have the second one. She uses soprano for 443.

You have the Arcana disk? I'm jealous!   Those are so damned hard to find. I don't know where you live, but here in Texas, you have maybe one opportunity when they are a new release, then it's 'adios'. It's on my radar though, so it will inevitably show up.

[The One]

You have the Arcana disk? I'm jealous!   Those are so damned hard to find. I don't know where you live, but here in Texas,

I live in two different countries (including the same) so that makes it easier but for a very long time now I haven't experienced the hardship of finding recordings. Could you try and let me know how much it costs to Texas? You should be able to use the same account info if you have...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vivaldi-Concerti-Flauto-Flautino-Oberlinger/dp/B003VJ6GOQ
https://www.amazon.de/Vivaldi-Concerti-flauto-flautino-442-44/dp/B003VJ6GOQ

[Gurn Blanston]

I live in two different countries (including the same) so that makes it easier but for a very long time now I haven't experienced the hardship of finding recordings. Could you try and let me know how much it costs to Texas? You should be able to use the same account info if you have...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vivaldi-Concerti-Flauto-Flautino-Oberlinger/dp/B003VJ6GOQ
https://www.amazon.de/Vivaldi-Concerti-flauto-flautino-442-44/dp/B003VJ6GOQ

Ah, the different cover thing. They don't even have that one in USA.

I am looking at Dan Laurin on BIS:

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I have something by him somewhere and recall it being really good, and this one is reviewed well. Are you familiar with?

[The One]

Ah, the different cover thing. They don't even have that one in USA.

What?

Dan Laurin on BIS:
I have something by him somewhere and recall it being really good, and this one is reviewed well. Are you familiar with?

I have that in hi-res. His Handel with Suzuki's and Telemann Overture and 3 concertos recordings are in my favorites lists. It's a good recording, but again, I don't like recorder instead of piccolo. 443 is soprano here, too.

[Gurn Blanston]

What?

I have that in hi-res. His Handel with Suzuki's and Telemann Overture and 3 concertos recordings are in my favorites lists. It's a good recording, but again, I don't like recorder instead of piccolo. 443 is soprano here, too.

Well, you know, the 'flautino' was a recorder, or at least a 'Bockflöte', not a transverse flute at all. The piccolo designation came from Malipiero when he was looking for a modern substitute, so it is totally not authentic. I do like the sound of the piccolo, I have Capella Istropolitano using a picollo, for example, and it does sound good, but I have these little hangups to deal with...    

[The One]

Well, you know, the 'flautino' was a recorder, or at least a 'Bockflöte', not a transverse flute at all. The piccolo designation came from Malipiero when he was looking for a modern substitute, so it is totally not authentic. I do like the sound of the piccolo, I have Capella Istropolitano using a picollo, for example, and it does sound good, but I have these little hangups to deal with...    

My favorite version is on recorder, too, Petri/Malcolm. But I want to place a piccolo to my playlists.

By the way, I have another Laurin/ Vivaldi Concertos disc from 90's with Suzuki's.

[Gurn Blanston]

My favorite version is on recorder, too, Petri/Malcolm. But I want to place a piccolo to my playlists.

By the way, I have another Laurin/ Vivaldi Concertos disc from 90's with Suzuki's.

That is the one I've heard before. In the review I read about this new one, he said something about not being happy with the earlier 2 disks because they lacked the drama that he felt needed to be there. I need to see the liner notes, but apparently he talks about having discovered some link between Vivaldi's operas and some of his concertos, and the injection of dramatic interest makes them far more interesting. So, we'll see. I'll probably make an order next week and all will be revealed...

[The One]

  the liner notes

...A close reading of RV441 and RV443–445 reveals great similarities between these works and Vivaldi's greatest 'hit' in modern times, The Four Seasons: sudden changes of moods, turbulent emotions, burlesque whims mixed with sublime beauty and elegance... in short an operatic treatment of the concerto form which rarely is brought out in recordings of the recorder concertos. (Among these I include my own previous attempts, on BIS-635 and BIS-865.) After having recorded the Seasons myself (on BIS-1605), I have been able to identify similar writing in more and more of Vivaldi's other concertos. My aim here is to explore these 'musical codes' in the recorder concertos with the same freedom and spontaneity that characterize the modern-day approach to the Seasons.
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...first solo of 443....making me think of a belligerent Chihuahua lacking all awareness of its diminutive size. 

[SonicMan46]

Well, my favorite performances are by Oberlinger, so I guess I am committed to a sopranino recorder. 

Edit: She doesn't play 443 on this disk, but she plays 445 which is supposed to use the same instrument. She does play 443 on this second disk though (which I don't have), and uses the sopranino recorder on it.

Hey Guys - after your discussion of these Vivaldi 'wind works', I had to review my collection of flute/recorder CDs - first went to the Vivaldi Quebec Catalog - RV 426 to RV 445 are listed as predominately 'flute' compositions w/ the last three being for 'piccolo', and obviously a number incomplete or missing; of course, piccolo is just a generic description as Gurn discussed.

SO, checking to see what I own: 1) Complete Recorder Concertos w/ the performers on the Naxos cover below, and on recorders on the back cover; 2) Flute Concertos w/ Konrad Hünteler on a J. Denner flute (RV428,433,434,435,437,439); and 3) Flute Concertos w/ Barthold Kuijken on a copy of a Baroque flute ca. 1735 (RV427,429,431,432,436,438, 438bis,440,533).

Now all of these are quite well done (as discussed in the attached reviews), but I'd like to have some more 'recorder' discs - I do own some Dorothee Oberlinger doing Telemann and she is indeed excellent - those Arcana links are expensive so will look for a DL option or just wait.  Thanks for all of your input.  Dave



     

[Gurn Blanston]

...A close reading of RV441 and RV443–445 reveals great similarities between these works and Vivaldi's greatest 'hit' in modern times, The Four Seasons: sudden changes of moods, turbulent emotions, burlesque whims mixed with sublime beauty and elegance... in short an operatic treatment of the concerto form which rarely is brought out in recordings of the recorder concertos. (Among these I include my own previous attempts, on BIS-635 and BIS-865.) After having recorded the Seasons myself (on BIS-1605), I have been able to identify similar writing in more and more of Vivaldi's other concertos. My aim here is to explore these 'musical codes' in the recorder concertos with the same freedom and spontaneity that characterize the modern-day approach to the Seasons.
...
...first solo of 443....making me think of a belligerent Chihuahua lacking all awareness of its diminutive size. 

Excellent and interesting. Thanks for that. BTW, speaking of the 4 Seasons, have you ever heard 'Red Priest'? They by god kick some butt, I'll tell you. Probably the most interesting recorder playing I've heard.   You will either love it or hate it (50::50 bet right now), but you won't ignore it.

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[Gurn Blanston]

Hey Guys - after your discussion of these Vivaldi 'wind works', I had to review my collection of flute/recorder CDs - first went to the Vivaldi Quebec Catalog - RV 426 to RV 445 are listed as predominately 'flute' compositions w/ the last three being for 'piccolo', and obviously a number incomplete or missing; of course, piccolo is just a generic description as Gurn discussed.

SO, checking to see what I own: 1) Complete Recorder Concertos w/ the performers on the Naxos cover below, and on recorders on the back cover; 2) Flute Concertos w/ Konrad Hünteler on a J. Denner flute (RV428,433,434,435,437,439); and 3) Flute Concertos w/ Barthold Kuijken on a copy of a Baroque flute ca. 1735 (RV427,429,431,432,436,438, 438bis,440,533).

Now all of these are quite well done (as discussed in the attached reviews), but I'd like to have some more 'recorder' discs - I do own some Dorothee Oberlinger doing Telemann and she is indeed excellent - those Arcana links are expensive so will look for a DL option or just wait.  Thanks for all of your input.  Dave



     

That Kuijken looks interesting. In all the looking at the Naive series I hadn't run across this one before. Honestly, I haven't pursued these very hard to date, just picking up something here or there along the way. Now that I know a little more about them, I think I will do what I can to build up a nice collection like I have with other solo instruments.

You're right, that Arcana stuff is high. Rare, and not on the market for long. Arcana has been a curse for me in all sorts of composers for years.

[The One]

Excellent and interesting. Thanks for that. BTW, speaking of the 4 Seasons, have you ever heard 'Red Priest'? They by god kick some butt, I'll tell you. Probably the most interesting recorder playing I've heard.   You will either love it or hate it (50::50 bet right now), but you won't ignore it.

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Oh, come on!! Look whom I was discussing Vivaldi with. "Pirates of the Baroque"? Really? I mean, really? 

[The One]

In all the looking at the Naive series I hadn't run across this one before. Honestly, I haven't pursued these very hard to date, just picking up something here or there along the way.

There are quite a few gems in the "Edition" set. There are many re-published discs among them but even an avid Vivaldi fan wouldn't need any additional discs

[The One]

Now all of these are quite well done (as discussed in the attached reviews), but I'd like to have some more 'recorder' discs - I do own some Dorothee Oberlinger doing Telemann and she is indeed excellent - those Arcana links are expensive so will look for a DL option or just wait.  Thanks for all of your input.  Dave

For me, it's always Michala Petri when it comes to the minstrel's tool. Tomorrow I'll try to create a collage with my favorite recorder & flute recordings. Maybe then we could move to Oboe and Bassoon discs

[SonicMan46]

For me, it's always Michala Petri when it comes to the minstrel's tool. Tomorrow I'll try to create a collage with my favorite recorder & flute recordings. Maybe then we could move to Oboe and Bassoon discs

1+ for Michala Petri - I've enjoyed her playing for decades and have a number of  her CDs - will take a look on Amazon, probably a lot OOP at this point in her career?  Thanks for bringing her up!  Dave

[Gurn Blanston]

There are quite a few gems in the "Edition" set. There are many re-published discs among them but even an avid Vivaldi fan wouldn't need any additional discs

Actually, I meant flute disks, but Vivaldi Edition would be just as applicable. I have the first 3 or 4 of the solo violin disks, love those. Also the Zefiro Wind Concertos disk. The Azzolini bassoon disks are top shelf things. I have to agree with you, if you had the entire set of these, you would be pretty well set.

Oh, come on!! Look whom I was discussing Vivaldi with. "Pirates of the Baroque"? Really? I mean, really? 

I am always ready to hear a new take on things, especially Baroque works which, when new, were not written in stone. The recorder playing itself is worth the time spent listening. 

[SonicMan46]

Actually, I meant flute disks, but Vivaldi Edition would be just as applicable. I have the first 3 or 4 of the solo violin disks, love those. Also the Zefiro Wind Concertos disk. The Azzolini bassoon disks are top shelf things. I have to agree with you, if you had the entire set of these, you would be pretty well set.

I am always ready to hear a new take on things, especially Baroque works which, when new, were not written in stone. The recorder playing itself is worth the time spent listening. 

Gurn - I acquired both of the concerto boxes below about 4 years ago (just $30 each) - love Azzolini and the two boxes included just the first 2 bassoon volumes, so did MP3 downloads for V. 3 & V. 4, then burned to CD-R.  Dave

ADDENDUM: Just checked those 2 boxes and there is a recorder CD (added below) w/ Sebastien Marq that I forgot about - TOO much Vivaldi, I guess! - BUT for those contemplating the Red Priest's recorder concertos, add this one to the list!  Review attached - 

   

[aligreto]

I must say that it is great to see such a lively, interesting and educational discussion on Vivaldi 

[Gurn Blanston]

Gurn - I acquired both of the concerto boxes below about 4 years ago (just $30 each) - love Azzolini and the two boxes included just the first 2 bassoon volumes, so did MP3 downloads for V. 3 & V. 4, then burned to CD-R.  Dave

ADDENDUM: Just checked those 2 boxes and there is a recorder CD (added below) w/ Sebastien Marq that I forgot about - TOO much Vivaldi, I guess! - BUT for those contemplating the Red Priest's recorder concertos, add this one to the list!  Review attached - 

   

I have looked at those 2 boxes for a long time, I have some of the disks, some of the downloads, and totally missing some of the rest of them, so it is tempting there. Still might do it.

Just saw that Sebastien Marq disk for the first time this AM, thought it looked promising and was going to ask about it here...

Red Priest is just a hoot, not necessarily a serious acquisition. It is a one of a kind thing though, I like it on occasion.

[SonicMan46]

My favorite version is on recorder, too, Petri/Malcolm. But I want to place a piccolo to my playlists.

By the way, I have another Laurin/ Vivaldi Concertos disc from 90's with Suzuki's.

Guys - still looking for another recorder performance - went onto iTunes and there are 3 options shown below for the Laurin recordings, each at 10 bucks USD - which is the 'newest & best' one according to your ears and/or reviews - thanks.  Dave