Islamic-Christian misogyny & sexual repression

[karlhenning]

[Florestan]

You may be right in one respect, after all: your ignorance is indeed deeper than the deepest sea.

Nice to see the tone raised zamyrabyrd, though I basically disagree with you. Christianity is a blatantly patriarchal institution with grotesquely shifted notions of sensuality. Go into a church and you find the shocking centrepiece image of a man being tortured to death and to the side a virgin looking so pure and sweet- how did such revulsion become a world religion?

Horrific death is good whereas sex is bad- what sickos: Christianity puts death at the centre of life and negates emotional maturity; Christ was supposed to be another virgin, though of course he wasn't. And we certainly don't need a role model like the twisted idea of Mary's virtue to respect women. However you do seem to understand about equality between the sexes not being based on sameness or symmetry.

As is well documented, Christianity is just an interpretation of the Dionysian cult of the ancients, the interest in the crucifixion being the legitimate delight in torturing some other bastard to death, up in the air to be mocked and waved at. Indeed the image on the outside of a church is often surrounded by the dead in the graveyard all around- very exciting of course.

The crucifix provides a aesthetic pleasure in another's suffering, denied but still completely out of balance for any sensible guide to life.

[DavidRoss]

Nice to see the tone raised zamyrabyrd, though I basically disagree with you. Christianity is a blatantly patriarchal institution with grotesquely shifted notions of sensuality. Go into a church and you find the shocking centrepiece image of a man being tortured to death and to the side a virgin looking so pure and sweet- how did such revulsion become a world religion?

Horrific death is good whereas sex is bad- what sickos: Christianity puts death at the centre of life and negates emotional maturity; Christ was supposed to be another virgin, though of course he wasn't. And we certainly don't need a role model like the twisted idea of Mary's virtue to respect women. However you do seem to understand about equality between the sexes not being based on sameness or symmetry.

As is well documented, Christianity is just an interpretation of the Dionysian cult of the ancients, the interest in the crucifixion being the legitimate delight in torturing some other bastard to death, up in the air to be mocked and waved at. Indeed the image on the outside of a church is often surrounded by the dead in the graveyard all around- very exciting of course.

The crucifix provides a aesthetic pleasure in another's suffering, denied but still completely out of balance for any sensible guide to life.

This is adolescent twaddle that shows only a laughably superficial familiarity with Christianity and its history.  Your pathetically limited understanding is not surprising, as it's typical of you to skim the surface of matters while imagining that you have plumbed the depths.  You fantasize that you are some sort of elevated being whose enlightened consciousness is beyond the understanding of ordinary mortals, but the truth is that you are an effing idiot whose ignorance is exceeded only by your pretentiousness and hate-filled bigotry.  You are benighted, not enlightened, but you are too mentally ill to realize it and too cowardly to seek the help you obviously need.  

[DavidW]

Sean's criticism of Christianity seems to be based upon his sole knowledge of the religion gleaned from casually gazing at a painting once!

I mean seriously reread his post, that's what it sounds like.

[Sean]

DavidRoss

This is adolescent twaddle that...

A nice clique forming here for those who need it; I was brought up as a Catholic so I know the Christian fantasizing well enough thanks.

Parallels between the Greek god of Dionysus and Christianity include both Dionysus and Jesus were been born from a mortal woman but fathered by the king of heaven, the Dionysiac being an interface between humanity and the divine.

Christian notions of eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Jesus were also influenced by the cult of Dionysus.

Jesus further changes water into wine, in reference to Dionysian intoxication. Wine in antiquity was thicker than today, like blood and hence usually mixed with water.

Therefore also the connection between torture and intoxicated delight.

The aesthetic pleasure of torture/ death cf sex/ orgasm is what the crucifixion stands for: it's an image that refers to the intense pain, aesthetically irreconcilable, from the hands and feet- these being the extremities all as per the feet are erotic in being the edges of the relative form, orgasm going down to them. The feet and hands clench in passion in sex, and especially at orgasm.

Hands and feet are tied in sexual bondage have similar reference to the edges of the relative form, its furthest extent, the Apollonian mind thence under control to give in to the Dionysiac: in sex and death you really get at the other person.

That'll keep you going for a bit; plenty more to come.

[Florestan]

That'll keep you going for a bit;

If you believe that your pathetic inanities are worth more than the time needed to read them, you are even more self-deluded than I thought.

plenty more to come.

Oh yes, you've proved time and again that you were an inexhaustible source of hogwash.

[karlhenning]

So many hogs, Sean must be thinking, so little time . . . .

[karlhenning]

If you believe that your pathetic inanities are worth more than the time needed to read them, you are even more self-deluded than I thought.

There may have been one occasion where, when Sean posted something longer than twenty words, I actually read the post in its entirety.

It may have happened once (I don't recall);  but it certainly has never happened since.  Life is too short to read such bilge.

[knight66]

Sean, If you were brought up a Roman Catholic, then the distortions of that faith are wilful rather than through ignorance. It is not, as you describe, some kind of death cult. The death was a brief transition to the main event.

Mike

[Scarpia]

Oh yes, you've proved time and again that you were an inexhaustible source of hogwash.

Sewerage, might be a better metaphor.

[71 dB]

Poju, you are on a thread about sexual deviance started by a vacuous troll and intended to offend as many people as possible.  It has nothing to do with classical music.

Sean's posts are incomprehensible to me. To me they seem bizarre rather than offending.

Tell you what:  Go to your tangerine dream site and start posting reams of drivel slandering peoples' cultural and moral values and advocating exploitation of third world sex slaves and see what happens.

People who enjoy Tangerine Dream's music seem to be mentally balanced and don't want to do things like that. I haven't seen offending trolls over there.

[DavidRoss]

DavidRoss

A nice clique forming here for those who need it; I was brought up as a Catholic so I know the Christian fantasizing well enough thanks.

Parallels between the Greek god of Dionysus and Christianity include both Dionysus and Jesus were been born from a mortal woman but fathered by the king of heaven, the Dionysiac being an interface between humanity and the divine.

Christian notions of eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Jesus were also influenced by the cult of Dionysus.

Jesus further changes water into wine, in reference to Dionysian intoxication. Wine in antiquity was thicker than today, like blood and hence usually mixed with water.

Therefore also the connection between torture and intoxicated delight.

The aesthetic pleasure of torture/ death cf sex/ orgasm is what the crucifixion stands for: it's an image that refers to the intense pain, aesthetically irreconcilable, from the hands and feet- these being the extremities all as per the feet are erotic in being the edges of the relative form, orgasm going down to them. The feet and hands clench in passion in sex, and especially at orgasm.

Hands and feet are tied in sexual bondage have similar reference to the edges of the relative form, its furthest extent, the Apollonian mind thence under control to give in to the Dionysiac: in sex and death you really get at the other person.

That'll keep you going for a bit; plenty more to come.

There's nothing in this juvenilia to get anyone going. Again, you are so deluded that you imagine such drivel is insightful and shockingly daring, when it's just the sort of boring twaddle commonly seen in comic books aimed at 13 year old boys.  You are not a sage with some advanced sophisticated understanding beyond our ken; you are a retard stuck in early adolescence.  You're wasting your time around here.  If you get serious professional help now then you might still have the possibility of 20 or more worthwhile years of life ahead of you.