What - no thread about how the moon landings were faked?

[Sean]

drogulus, the media are commercial enterprises- meaning the customer's desires come first. Nothing else matters, not truth or fairness or any such high-minded notions. If the masses want prejudice and lies about the world to back up their little view of it, that's what the media necessarily gives them- they're just businesses. They have to give it them, and call it objective, or they don't exist for very long. If you want critical ethical journalism you need to set up an independently funded organization who have no interest in people's response to whatever truth they uncover about the world.

[knight66]

Sean, That is an absurd sweeping statement. How many Irish and Russian journalists have been shot in the last 15 years for investigative journalism? By the way, no one is suggesting that they were shot at the behest of their employers.

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Just because the newspapers do not have your von Daniken approach to world affairs, you dump them all into the bin.

Mike

[robnewman]

I'm glad there is no thread here about how the moon landings were faked. To overcome solar radiation while travelling in space with minimal protection, to plant a flag on the lunar surface, to play golf there - these are achievements of the highest importance that restore our confidence in the mass media and in 'Popular Mechanics'.  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HT3_X9Suec&feature=related

[Lethevich]

Sean, That is an absurd sweeping statement. How many Irish and Russian journalists have been shot in the last 15 years for investigative journalism? By the way, no one is suggesting that they were shot at the behest of their employers.

Those deaths were all faked to make the shell-world we live in seem more convincing 0:)

[karlhenning]

Those deaths were all faked to make the shell-world we live in seem more convincing 0:)

Luckily, some of us know the truth!

[Szykneij]

I woke up today to find AOL has joined the conspiracy --

http://news.aol.com/article/apollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar/577205?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fapollo-landing-sites-spotted-by-lunar%2F577205

[Sean]

Sean, That is an absurd sweeping statement. How many Irish and Russian journalists have been shot in the last 15 years for investigative journalism? By the way, no one is suggesting that they were shot at the behest of their employers.

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Just because the newspapers do not have your von Daniken approach to world affairs, you dump them all into the bin.

Mike

Von Daniken!?

The point is, the media is customer-driven: maybe a few journalists have investigated a few governments in ways those governments didn't like, but they only did it from start to finish because they thought people would be interested and the media product would sell. Indeed if certain parts were spiced up and others downplayed that would increase sales further: all considerations beyond sales are irrelevant: it's a business just making a profit, nothing else. The media has no special interest in uncovering government corruption etc, and indeed is as much in Western politicians' pockets as anywhere.

[bwv 1080]

Buzz Aldrin kicks some conspiracy nut ass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/UUFO8AGMwic

[DavidW]

That was awesome!  How many were imagining Newman as the crazy guy?

[bwv 1080]

That was awesome!  How many were imagining Newman as the crazy guy?

Perhaps Newman is stalking Maynard Solomon and its just a matter of time

[MishaK]

Von Daniken!?

The point is, the media is customer-driven: maybe a few journalists have investigated a few governments in ways those governments didn't like, but they only did it from start to finish because they thought people would be interested and the media product would sell. Indeed if certain parts were spiced up and others downplayed that would increase sales further: all considerations beyond sales are irrelevant: it's a business just making a profit, nothing else. The media has no special interest in uncovering government corruption etc, and indeed is as much in Western politicians' pockets as anywhere.

Sean,

Why does Matt Taibbi unravel the inner workings of Goldman Sachs? Why did Seymour Hersh break the news about Abu Ghraib, My Lai, etc.? Why did the late Walter Cronkite call the US military on its deception and lies? What about Hunter S. Thompson? None of that ever made any money. Your over-generalizations are simply untenable.

BTW, you've got the whole media business wrong. It is not at all consumer-driven, it is advertising-revenue driven, which is why no profitable media outlet will ever broadcast/publish news that is embarrassing to any of its advertising clients.

[knight66]

Von Daniken!?

....... all considerations beyond sales are irrelevant: it's a business just making a profit, nothing else. The media has no special interest in uncovering government corruption etc, and indeed is as much in Western politicians' pockets as anywhere.

Half truths are really just well dressed lies. You put spin on a situation like a true professional manipulator.

Mike

[robnewman]

The fake moon missions are almost comically bad. They are full of badly faked images and come from a time when people were used to watching such stuff as 'Lost in Space'. The clumsy filming of these sequences is laughable. And yet people still believe them to prove man walked on the moon.

Question Number 1 - How did the Apollo crew overcome the intense solar radiation to which they were exposed beyond the Van Allen Belt and on the lunar surface.  You know, the Van Allen Belt - which shields us here on Earth from being fried alive ?

Answer - You're just being critical !

Question Number 2 - How did the astronauts manage to walk around in lunar temperatures of several hundred degrees heat and how did they manage to cool their landing craft during the whole time they were exposed to the sun's rays ?

Answer - You're just being critical !

Question Number 3 - Why do people NOT believe man has walked on the moon and taken photographs there ?

Answer - Because they are just being critical. The cameras were kept from heating. As anyone knows who puts a hand held camera into a microwave oven and switches it on for a hour. The film will still work perfectly well.

Question Number 4 - Why do the lunar astronauts seem to be suspended on wires at different times of their 'moon walk' ?

Answer - You're just being critical again !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&feature=related


etc.

[DavidW]

I take this as evidence that Newman really is a troll and does not post things because he believes them, but because he wants to stir up a fight.  I'd be willing to think that he thinks that Mozart is a fraud because he's one of those people.  I could just see that he just might think that 9/11 was faked.  But on top of all of that also thinks that lunar landing was faked?  Crazy obsessions are overwhelmingly narrow in focus, obsessive crackpots tend to just fixate on one idiotic claim and not many.  All of his posts must be a troll game to him, not evidence of madness.  Ignore his posts, as I will now do.

[Brian]

Fancy meeting you here, Rob!

[robnewman]

I take this as evidence that Newman really is a troll and does not post things because he believes them, but because he wants to stir up a fight.  I'd be willing to think that he thinks that Mozart is a fraud because he's one of those people.  I could just see that he just might think that 9/11 was faked.  But on top of all of that also thinks that lunar landing was faked?  Crazy obsessions are overwhelmingly narrow in focus, obsessive crackpots tend to just fixate on one idiotic claim and not many.  All of his posts must be a troll game to him, not evidence of madness.  Ignore his posts, as I will now do.

Of course you must ignore the NASA footage. Because the world makes no sense if you know reality, right ?

[robnewman]

Brian,

Yes, isn't it great to exchange our views freely ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&feature=related

And some people still believe this stuff to be genuine !!!

[MishaK]

Brian,

Yes, isn't it great to exchange our views freely ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&feature=related

And some people still believe this stuff to be genuine !!!

rob, back to school with you! You don't even know the difference between mass and weight!

[Brian]

Hey Rob,
Who wrote Shakespeare's plays?

[robnewman]

Hey Rob,
Who wrote Shakespeare's plays?

That's a very good question Brian and you might open a special thread ? The discussion would be interesting. One thing is quite certain - it was not William Shakespeare of Stratford on Avon. There are many excellent evidences they were made by a group of writers. Similar, in fact, to Mozart's career in many ways. But there are numerous excellent books written on this question for over a century and there are even websites on the subject.