Schoenberg's Von Heute auf Morgen

[Sean]

Written after the Variations and before Moses, this is his daft attempt at Italianate buffa style in the serial idiom- what on Earth was he thinking? No wonder he got confused about all this twelve tone complete garbage and kept intermittently writing tonal music; the interesting concluding contrapuntal sections are reasonably easy to follow but not his expectations about the piece- melodies only work in tonal terms if you hadn't noticed Arnie...

[val]

To me, the problem of Von Heute auf Morgen, is the fact that the kind of harmonic language used by Schönberg seems strange to the theatrical action.
I think that Schönberg made a mystake choosing a plot that would be more adequate to Richard Strauss.

[Sean]

To me, the problem of Von Heute auf Morgen, is the fact that the kind of harmonic language used by Schönberg seems strange to the theatrical action.
I think that Schönberg made a mystake choosing a plot that would be more adequate to Richard Strauss.

Well it was just his thick-head idea that serialism's manufactured absurdities and foolishness was going to change the world. A wasted talent after Transfigured night if there ever was one.

[CD]

A wasted talent after Transfigured night if there ever was one.

LOL

[Guido]

Well it was just his thick-head idea that serialism's manufactured absurdities and foolishness was going to change the world. A wasted talent after Transfigured night if there ever was one.

Erm... Serialism was a very personal solution to his own compositional concerns... he certainly never intended it for everyone, as he said himself many times. Every great twentieth century had to find their voice through whatever means, this was his.

[Sean]

Sure thing Guido.

[bhodges]

A wasted talent after Transfigured night if there ever was one.

Uh, yeah...right.   

--Bruce

[Guido]

Obviously I don't agree with the premise that he wasted his talent either... things like the First chamber Symphony and string trio are some of the most affecting, powerful and beautiful music written in the 20th century.

[Lethevich]

Regurgitated Wagner/Strauss is ok, but Schoenberg was better than that :3

[Sean]

Obviously I don't agree with the premise that he wasted his talent either... things like the First chamber Symphony and string trio are some of the most affecting, powerful and beautiful music written in the 20th century.

Guido, both of those are in atonal style- the String trio a return to more pre-serial thinking.

[Guido]

The String Trio is a strictly serial work, even if it may sometimes not sound it.

[val]

Regarding my previous post, I never said that the problem was serialism. Schönberg composed extraordinary masterpieces after he adopted the serialism as harmonic language: Moses und Aron, the string Trio, Jacobs Leiter, Moderner Psalm, string Quartets 3 & 4 ...
What I said was that serialism doesn't seem adjusted to the plot of Von Heute auf Morgen.