Saul's Music Space

[Saul]

Ok Mirrors, here is one of my Orchestral works.

Orchestral Fantasy In D minor
http://www.youtube.com/v/0m-iED0tXtQ

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I don't think its really necessary, I'm always learning, and there are many possibilities to learn, composition, I have books that I study, and I have taken some good composition lessons from my piano teacher which is a wondrous music scholar and a first rate Bach performer.

Appartently your "scholar" teacher hasn't taught you anything, because your mind is closed off to music of the Romantic and the 20th Century. If you want to be a good composer, then you're going to have to be more open-mind about music. I'm still waiting to hear one of your orchestral works by the way.

[Saul]

Appartently your "scholar" teacher hasn't taught you anything, because your mind is closed off to music of the Romantic and the 20th Century. If you want to be a good composer, then you're going to have to be more open-mind about music. I'm still waiting to hear one of your orchestral works by the way.

I posted it allready..go back a page......

[greg]

Prokofiev is the best!

Yes, and listening to him and Saul side by side just makes him sound even greater!

I listened to that Orchestral Fantasy. That one as well sounds like you had a bit too much fun with the copy and paste. Some of the harmonic progressions were nice-sounding to me, but that was about it. That string theme sounds like a techno theme. Copy, paste, alter pitch content, copy, paste, alter pitch content...

[Saul]

Yes, and listening to him and Saul side by side just makes him sound even greater!

I listened to that Orchestral Fantasy. That one as well sounds like you had a bit too much fun with the copy and paste. Some of the harmonic progressions were nice-sounding to me, but that was about it. That string theme sounds like a techno theme. Copy, paste, alter pitch content, copy, paste, alter pitch content...

Funny you say that, many others who have heard it gave me a very positive feedback. But if you want to get nasty, that's your choice.
Just remember that when I  commented on your music I was trying to be nice... you have no idea what kind of desserts I could have made from them. But that's fine, you guys know it all, and know what's good music and what's bad, who's a great composer and who is not, yet you blame me for doing the same thing that you're doing...

Heard of hypocrisy?

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Saul,

Your "Orchestral Fantasy" is of significant improvement over your solo piano works. I particularly liked the part from 3:20 - 4:00. To me you were really getting more rhythmically interesting and even dramatic. I did not like the oboe, or what sounded like an oboe, melody, but maybe somebody else did. I still found that there wasn't enough variation in the work to keep me truly interested. It just sounds like, again, a rehash of an older style of music. It seems that you're letting the refinement of the older classical styles keep you from being more dramatic and emotional. I would also work on your counterpoint as it is totally uninvolving and, again, not varied enough. In time, you will learn how to write better for each section of the orchestra. As I said, this work fared a lot better than the piano works, which just seem like exercises and not actual meaningful music.

[greg]

Funny you say that, many others who have heard it gave me a very positive feedback. But if you want to get nasty, that's your choice.
Just remember that when I  commented on your music I was trying to be nice... you have no idea what kind of desserts I could have made from them. But that's fine, you guys know it all, and know what's good music and what's bad, who's a great composer and who is not, yet you blame me for doing the same thing that you're doing...

Heard of hypocrisy?

I was being as nice as I could commenting your music. That's why I only commented on some of the stuff you put up- the aspects I thought were decent, and ignored the other stuff.

After awhile, though, it's a bit hard when nearly everything score you put up looks like a giant copy and paste. I'm going to have to point out the negative stuff more if you keep on posting your music (assuming you want an opinion instead of just self-promotion).

[Saul]

Saul,

Your "Orchestral Fantasy" is of significant improvement over your solo piano works. I particularly liked the part from 3:20 - 4:00. To me you were really getting more rhythmically interesting and even dramatic. I did not like the oboe, or what sounded like an oboe, melody, but maybe somebody else did. I still found that there wasn't enough variation in the work to keep me truly interested. It just sounds like, again, a rehash of an older style of music. It seems that you're letting the refinement of the older classical styles keep you from being more dramatic and emotional. I would also work on your counterpoint as it is totally uninvolving and, again, not varied enough. In time, you will learn how to write better for each section of the orchestra. As I said, this work fared a lot better than the piano works, which just seem like exercises and not actual meaningful music.

Mirror,

This is a fine small little critic on my Orchestral Fantasy, I agree that this could be done better, I revised it a number of times, I beg to differ with you on the Oboe choice, but everyone has their own taste when it comes to Tone color, I feel it adds Drama. I disagree with your opinion that the piano works are 'studies'. They are not, not these particular ones, but there are a good number of them that I wrote which I'm not happy with at all.

I will soon post my First Symphony, perhaps one of my earliest works. 

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Mirror,

This is a fine small little critic on my Orchestral Fantasy, I agree that this could be done better, I revised it a number of times, I beg to differ with you on the Oboe choice, but everyone has their own taste when it comes to Tone color, I feel it adds Drama. I disagree with your opinion that the piano works are 'studies'. They are not, not these particular ones, but there are a good number of them that I wrote which I'm not happy with at all.

Perhaps I should have said the oboe part sounded too cliche for me. I love the oboe and the woodwind section in general. When I think of interesting woodwind parts I immediately think of Ravel, because he used these instruments very heavily throughout his compositions. Like, for example, the famous oboe solo in the second movement to his "Piano Concerto in G major." That melody you created had no substance to it, regardless if you think it did or not. I'm the one who is listening to your music and you want an honest opinion, so I gave it to you.

Have you heard much of Rodrigo's music? He wasn't an innovative composer by any stretch of the imagination, but he composed beautiful, creative music. He was a 20th Century composer, but he loved older forms of music and his admiration for Mozart is apparent in many of his works. Anyway, what made his music so interesting is that he incorporated Spanish folk melodies into his music sometimes those folk-like melodies were of his own creation. Anyway, the interesting thing about Rodrigo is that he was also influenced by Impressionism, which would account for his sometimes lush harmonies. I think interesting harmonies is another thing that is missing from your music, Saul.

Anyway, there are plenty of great composers in the 20th Century that took older forms of music and transformed them into something very modern. Just look at Poulenc. He may not be to your liking, but he composed some very backwards looking music that was very inventive. He, too, admired Mozart and you can hear this very elegant perfectionism in his music, but all of the ideas are clearly his own. Poulenc obviously admired traditional classical forms, but even he had to find a way to reinvent them, which meant breaking the rules.

[Saul]

My Symphony In F sharp minor - Allegro con Fuoco - A single movement Symphony, one of my very earliest works.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8Jn1qrXJ_cA

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My Symphony In F sharp minor - Allegro con Fuoco - A single movement Symphony, one of my very earliest works.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8Jn1qrXJ_cA

Oh boy, where do I start with this work? I'm not going to go into much detail because I'm way too tired, but there wasn't anything memorable to me in this symphony. I realize this is your first symphony. One thing I noticed about your music is you don't leave room for it to breathe. There are no pauses for one to catch their breath. I still found the harmony not interesting. I think some courses in harmony would do some good.

I did enjoy the counterpoint better in this work and there was much more variation, which your other orchestral work didn't have. I still think your piano works sound like exercises. Maybe you should stick to orchestral music. I would also work on your orchestration. A Ravel, Berlioz, Villa-Lobos, Rimsky-Korsakov, or Richard Strauss you are not!

[Saul]

Mirror,

I think you will like my 'Night' orchestral work that I composed some years back. Though this work stands contrary to my current opinion. This work is more 'modern' and I think that that's what you like.. After all....

http://www.youtube.com/v/jh51MB7iqUU

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I think that that's what you like.. After all....

I'm just curious how do you know what I like? I never told you what I liked. I've certainly told you what I don't like. Now, it seems you want me to forget the way you treated me in this thread by wanting me to comment on your music.

I'm listening to your music as a favor to you and so that I can offer you some unbiased criticism, but don't think for a minute that I have forgotten the way you trashed a lot of composers I enjoy. By the way, if you don't like my tastes in music, which you still don't really know anything about, then why continue wanting me to listen and offer criticism of your music?

[Saul]

I'm just curious how do you know what I like? I never told you what I liked. I've certainly told you what I don't like. Now, it seems you want me to forget the way you treated me in this thread by wanting me to comment on your music.

I'm listening to your music as a favor to you and so that I can offer you some unbiased criticism, but don't think for a minute that I have forgotten the way you trashed a lot of composers I enjoy. By the way, if you don't like my tastes in music, which you still don't really know anything about, then why continue wanting me to listen and offer criticism of your music?

The trash goes both ways. And I also believe that you startet it, so do you want to move on or to go back to the trash? your call...

And I recall you asked me to post my music here so that you could listen.

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The trash goes both ways. And I also believe that you startet it, so do you want to move on or to go back to the trash? your call...

And I recall you asked me to post my music here so that you could listen.

I didn't start anything, Saul. The honest truth is I would never listen to the kind of music you compose. It's not my cup of tea. It's not harmonically or rhythmically adventurous enough for me.

Until you receive some proper training in composition, you will continue to compose work after work of uninspired drivel in my opinion.

[Saul]

I didn't start anything, Saul. The honest truth is I would never listen to the kind of music you compose. It's not my cup of tea. It's not harmonically or rhythmically adventurous enough for me.

Until you receive some proper training in composition, you will continue to compose work after work of uninspired drivel in my opinion.

Such a tragedy that you consider Schoenberg's and Prokofiev's utter nonsensical music, as art. I really don't know what drove you there, but that's your choice. The fact that you don't like my music is a good sign that I have not fallen into these composers' twisted ways of composition.

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Such a tragedy that you consider Schoenberg's and Prokofiev's utter nonsensical music, as art. I really don't know what drove you there, but that's your choice. The fact that you don't like my music is a good sign that I have not fallen into these composers' twisted ways of composition.

Actually, if you spent any real time talking with instead of trashing the composers I enjoy, then you would realize that I only like a few select works from Schoenberg and I find Prokofiev's orchestral output more appealing than his chamber and solo instrumental works.

I'm an orchestral man. I enjoy symphonies, ballets, concerti, symphonic poems, etc. This is what I get the most enjoyment out of. There aren't many chamber works that I enjoy. I spend my time listening to music I enjoy, not what somebody else deems acceptable.

What drives me to any composer's music is the music's emotional content and my own intellectual curiosity.

[Saul]

Actually, if you spent any real time talking with instead of trashing the composers I enjoy, then you would realize that I only like a few select works from Schoenberg and I find Prokofiev's orchestral output more appealing than his chamber and solo instrumental works.

I'm an orchestral man. I enjoy symphonies, ballets, concerti, symphonic poems, etc. This is what I get the most enjoyment out of. There aren't many chamber works that I enjoy. I spend my time listening to music I enjoy, not what somebody else deems acceptable.

Yes you know everything on anything, youre the MUSIC MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE.


Sorry to have crossed your path...

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Yes you know everything on anything, youre the MUSIC MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE.


Sorry to have crossed your path...

  Okay, now you're just being ridiculous.

[Saul]

  Okay, now you're just being ridiculous.

Why, am I not stating reality, that You just know it better and I don't know a thing about anything, not on music , or piano or any other intellectual pursuit...?

So enjoy your triumph , you are the Master KNOW IT ALL Classical Genius that knows everything there is to know about music.
Why are we even talking? what's the point? what ever I will see you will say that I need to be 'schooled'...

Why don't you tell us what you Really think...