Saul's Music Space

[Luke]

Or 4/4 with triplets. Greg is exactly right. The notation threw me....

Exactly. The point I've been making all along - your notation throws people (the piece sounds very tripletty to me too, btw). You make it hard for a musician to put their trust in you as the composer when there are basic errors like this.

[karlhenning]

Like a 'writer' who claims to be superior to James Joyce, but whose grammar and spelling are abysmal.

[karlhenning]

(But he writes by feeling, you know . . . .)

[Luke]

Like a 'writer' who claims to be superior to James Joyce, but whose grammar and spelling are abysmal.

Perhaps Joyce, with his own idiosyncratic 'notation', is not the best example....though of course, Joyce's peculiar spellings and neologisms etc are done with the full weight of western (and other) literature ever-present in Joyce's brain, deeply thought through and hugely allusive. Saul's notational difficulties are hardly of the same ilk, being nothing to do with his relationship with past music and everything to do with him not really understanding or thinking about how and why music is written the way it is.

Interestingly, though, anagramatically - Stephen Dedalus = Saul Needs Depth........ this surely means something.

[Florestan]

I am a writer, my spelling and grammar are atrocious.  The talent of any writer is the content of their thoughts as expressed through the written word and the delivery of those words in enjoyable flowing prose.  Editors can correct the grammar, that is their job.

Your ideas about literature are exactly as those about music: deeply flawed and utterly ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if you considered Flaubert or Faulkner the worst writers.

I have been an active audio writer

What on earth is an "audio writer"other than an oxymoron, I wonder...

since the early 1980's and a poet since the 6th grade.

You amaze me no end. A poet with atrocious grammar and spelling?

[Teresa]

Your ideas about literature are exactly as those about music: deeply flawed and utterly ridiculous...

That would be in your opinion.  I FIRMLY believe both music and the written word should be enjoyed by the listener and reader.  To assume anything else is to deny reality.

The content of a writer's thoughts as expressed through the written word and the delivery of those words in enjoyable flowing prose is considerably more important than mere spelling and grammar.  There are tools to help with the latter, the first requires human inspiration.

What on earth is an "audio writer"other than an oxymoron, I wonder...

Someone who writes about audio equipment, audio formats and the music that rests upon them.   

You amaze me no end. A poet with atrocious grammar and spelling?

Thank God for spell check and editors.  Why would you deny an outlet for those who do not have a mastery of spelling and grammar?  The HUMAN MIND is so much deeper than the mere window dressing you attribute to it.  Expand your horizons. 

BTW about ten of the above words were misspelled but Spell check caught them all and I corrected them.  Tools are important. 

[karlhenning]

That would be in your opinion.  I FIRMLY believe both music and the written word should be enjoyed by the listener and reader.

False dichotomy, Teresa.  Even your impassioned tag ("To assume anything else is to deny reality! So there!") does not make your remark a relevant 'rebuttal'.

[Florestan]

That would be in your opinion.  I FIRMLY believe both music and the written word should be enjoyed by the listener and reader.  To assume anything else is to deny reality.

The content of a writer's thoughts as expressed through the written word and the delivery of those words in enjoyable flowing prose is considerably more important than mere spelling and grammar.  There are tools to help with the latter, the first requires human inspiration.

So you're basically saying that a writer is not suppose to have a complete command of the language in which he writes. Very interesting.

Someone who writes about audio equipment, audio formats and the music that rests upon them.   

Not sure that "audio writer" is the right term for that but never mind.

Thank God for spell check and editors.  Why would you deny an outlet for those who do not have a mastery of spelling and grammar? 

Those who do not have a mastery of spelling and grammar can of course dabble in writing if they so please --- but they will never be writers or poets in the true sense of the word.

BTW about ten of the above words were misspelled but Spell check caught them all and I corrected them.  Tools are important. 

Poor Byron, Coleridge and Poe... I wonder how could they live without spell-checkers?

[Teresa]

False dichotomy, Teresa.  Even your impassioned tag ("To assume anything else is to deny reality! So there!") does not make your remark a relevant 'rebuttal'.

It is not a rebuttal but the way things are from my perspective.  We disagree in opinions and I am living proof as I am a writer who DEPENDS on spell check and grammar tools such as live editors.  To deny this IS to deny reality.  OPEN YOUR EYES!    

[karlhenning]

It is not a rebuttal but the way things are from my perspective.  We disagree in opinions and I am living proof as I am a writer who DEPENDS on spell check and grammar tools such as live editors.  To deny this IS to deny reality.  OPEN YOUR EYES!    

Nobody is denying reality, except perhaps you, in conjuring up this strawman that anyone else is denying reality.

The topic is at bottom Saul's composing. There ain't a spell-check for his notational ills, Teresa.

[Florestan]

It is not a rebuttal but the way things are from my perspective.  We disagree in opinions and I am living proof as I am a writer who DEPENDS on spell check and grammar tools such as live editors.  To deny this IS to deny reality.  OPEN YOUR EYES!   

You are not a writer, at least not in the sense in which Melville, Mark Twain or William Faulkner were. You depend on spell-checkers and editors precisely because no one expects you to write well.

[karlhenning]

. . . Since you dismiss all comments intended to help you see your weak points, and you only believe the fawning praise, I don't see how you will ever develop as a composer.

Admirably succinct.

[karlhenning]

There ain't a spell-check for his notational ills, Teresa.

My usage was probably poor there. Should have written, There ain't no spell-check . . . .

[Teresa]

So you're basically saying that a writer is not suppose to have a complete command of the language in which he writes. Very interesting.

A writer is a writer, it comes from flashes of inspiration.  Spelling and grammar are skills that a very small percentage of the population is good at, thus tools were developed for EVERYONE to use, including writers.  It is more important that a writer write!

Those who do not have a mastery of spelling and grammar can of course dabble in writing if they so please --- but they will never be writers or poets in the true sense of the word

Not true! Writing is about content NOT window dressing, would you deny the contributions of proof-readers and editors?

Poor Byron, Coleridge and Poe... I wonder how could they live without spell-checkers?

More work for their proof-readers, editors and publishers.

[karlhenning]

Writing is about content NOT window dressing

Spelling and grammar aren't "window-dressing," for Pete's sake. They are core competencies.  Making the odd mistake is one thing.  Ill education is another.

[Teresa]

The topic is at bottom Saul's composing. There ain't a spell-check for his notational ills, Teresa.

You are the one who CHANGED the topic with Reply #363: You said
"Like a 'writer' who claims to be superior to James Joyce, but whose grammar and spelling are abysmal."

I found this HIGHLY INSULTING to all writers with poor spelling and grammar skills.   

[karlhenning]

You are the one who CHANGED the topic with Reply #363: You said
"Like a 'writer' who claims to be superior to James Joyce, but whose grammar and spelling are abysmal."

I found this HIGHLY INSULTING to all writers with poor spelling and grammar skills.   

The way you read gives no one any confidence in how you write, Teresa. (Interesting that you observe no distinction between poor spelling and abysmal spelling, BTW.) Giving a simile for Saul's notational shortcomings, is not changing the topic from Saul's notational shortcomings. The topic is still those notational shortcomings.

[karlhenning]

Someone who claims to be a writer, SHOUTING by overuse of all caps, is highly insulting ; )

[Teresa]

You are not a writer, at least not in the sense in which Melville, Mark Twain or William Faulkner were. You depend on spell-checkers and editors precisely because no one expects you to write well.

NEWS FLASH
"I AM A WRITER" Besides hundreds of published articles, tons of poetry, I also have an eBook.  You cannot take that away from me, why are you so mean spirited in everything you post?  Just curious.

I find OFFENSIVE that you equate grammar and spelling with real human inspiration, writing is in one's blood or it's not! 

[karlhenning]

Besides hundreds of published articles, tons of poetry, I also have . . .

. . . a freighter full laden with hyperbole?